Evidence the 9-11 Truth Movement does not seek "truth".

[Thunder]

There is much evidence that the 9-11 Truth Movement does not actually seek "the truth" about 9-11, but has several alterior motives and goals.

What is the evidence? Well for one thing, truthers supposedly want a "new" investigation into 9-11. They want this investigation to have subpoena power to call anyone including Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc.

Problem is, they dont trust the FBI, they dont trust the CIA, they dont trust the NSA, they dont trust NIST, and they dont trust the Department of Homeland Security. They think the NYPD is somehow part of the conspiracy, and probably also the DC Police.

So who is gonna conduct such an investigation? How can we give subpoena power to a non-governmental agency? Never mind the fact that truthers consider pretty much any engineering, architectural, or scientific group, company, or organization that supports the "official story" to be agents/compromised/NWO shills....etc.

So basically they want an investigation that can not happen. Thats a huge non-starter.

So if truthers arent really interested in "the truth"..then what are they really after?

I have some suggestions:

1. Making Bush look as bad as possible. Its all post 2000 election angst.

2. Make money. Alex Jones, Dylan Avery, and other truther leaders have
earned some nice mullah with their DVD, t-shirt, poster, event sales.

3. Fame. Alex Jones and Dylan Avery clearly have a deep emotional need
for attention and outside imposed self-worth. They now have
thousands of teenagers who think they are gods. Mission
accomplished.

4. Civil disobedience and hooliganism. It is clear that most truthers are
just begging for some sort of violence to go down against "the man".
They actually have this insane fantasy of revolution, which everyone
else in America sees as a pipe dream, yet they still can't let go.
If they ever did try to start something, it would end very quickly
and they would all look very very foolish and slightly insane.

Now, back to my decaf Dunkin Donuts coffee. :D

[cyclonic]

They don't know what they really want, they just like chanting "9/11 was an inside job" because it releases endorphins in their warped brains.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

So who is gonna conduct such an investigation? How can we give subpoena power to a non-governmental agency? Never mind the fact that truthers consider pretty much any engineering, architectural, or scientific group, company, or organization that supports the "official story" to be agents/compromised/NWO shills....etc.


I've seen a handful of truthers suggest that a foreign government should conduct the New Investigation™.

They never say which one, though. Not that it really matters. If the alleged perpetrators are as evil as the truthers suggest, and the system as corrupt as they suggest, about the only way the alleged perpetrators could be dragged before in inquiry is if said foreign government invaded and occupied the United States.

I wonder what the truthers' thoughts on that might be...

[Thunder]

They don't know what they really want, they just like chanting "9/11 was an inside job" because it releases endorphins in their warped brains.

you know, i know you're joking, but you're actually really correct.

i think these folks have very unhappy lives, with no fulfilment, and this "movement" gives their lives meaning. and if they get no meaning..they atleast get some endorphins.

=)

as to the UN or some foreign country doing the investigation..what ever happened to "national soverignity"?? what happened to being against the evil blue helmet nazis?

[1337m4n]

I've seen a handful of truthers suggest that a foreign government should conduct the New Investigation™.

They never say which one, though. Not that it really matters. If the alleged perpetrators are as evil as the truthers suggest, and the system as corrupt as they suggest, about the only way the alleged perpetrators could be dragged before in inquiry is if said foreign government invaded and occupied the United States.


And the only country with a military powerful enough to do that is China...

[eromitlab]

I've come across a few truthists that also maintain that the New 9/11 Investigation™ must remain sovereign and free of UN or foreign involvement. They clearly have put even less thought into the New Investigation™ than the average truthist has, but they're aware enough to realize that trusting a foreign government or, even worse, a group of globalist shills, with their New Investigation™ clashes with their new World order and one-world government hysteria. So they've thought about that, but haven't even begun to think about how their New Investigation™ would go.

I guess they think that all the investigative power will be handed to the usual truthist suspects, and that the power of governance will then be ceded to them once the conspiracy is uncovered and the guilty either commit hara-kiri on the Capitol steps or are hung publically. (Then, after that, they can get on with the debunker show trials.)

But mostly, yeah, the people in the 9/11 "truth" movement just want to belong to something rebellious and anti-authority, something that really spooks people and gets under people's skin, something that makes them feel superior to all the normal people with normal lives, and most of all something that doesn't require any effort from them other than insult and threaten people on the Internet (which they were going to do anyway) and flood forums.

[dtugg]

And the only country with a military powerful enough to do that is China...

China couldn't invade and occupy the United States. They don't even have an effective way of getting their military over here and if they tried, they would be destroyed in very short order.

[PhantomWolf]

China couldn't invade and occupy the United States. They don't even have an effective way of getting their military over here and if they tried, they would be destroyed in very short order.

You're forgetting the million chinese troops who have been living in Mexico and Texas for the last 4 years (http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=51133)....

[jhunter1163]

If the Truthers somehow did manage to get Bush and Cheney in front of a grand jury or whatever, why wouldn't they just lie? After all, they're supposedly guilty of 3,000+ murders. What's a little perjury on top of that?

[1337m4n]

If the Truthers somehow did manage to get Bush and Cheney in front of a grand jury or whatever, why wouldn't they just lie? After all, they're supposedly guilty of 3,000+ murders. What's a little perjury on top of that?

In "America: The Book", a picture of the Bible is captioned with Placing one hand on this book and raising the other makes you physically unable to lie. Maybe Truthers actually took that seriously?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

If the Truthers somehow did manage to get Bush and Cheney in front of a grand jury or whatever, why wouldn't they just lie? After all, they're supposedly guilty of 3,000+ murders. What's a little perjury on top of that?


Ahh, see... Despite what the truthers say, the investigation wouldn't be to figure out the truth; it would be to expose the truth they already know. Truthers probably see a new investigation as a sort of trap for the evil administration. They want Bush and Cheney to lie so they have a chance to expose those lies in front of a grand audience.

[Thunder]

Ahh, see... Despite what the truthers say, the investigation wouldn't be to figure out the truth; it would be to expose the truth they already know. Truthers probably see a new investigation as a sort of trap for the evil administration. They want Bush and Cheney to lie so they have a chance to expose those lies in front of a grand audience.

The fact remains that the truthers made up their minds a looong time ago. They believe 9-11 was an inside job, and nothing will ever convince them otherwise.

Why do they want a new investigation ON TOP of he 9-11 Commission, the NIST reports, the Mussoui trial? Because all of those investigations came up with conclusions that they DON'T WANT.

The only "investigation" or "inquiry" that truthers would EVER accept..is one that concludes that 9-11 was an inside job.

Truth seekers? My butt!!!!

So speak up "truth seekers". Would you accept an independant investigation into 9-11 that concluded that the official story is pretty much on the mark?

[OneShotKi11]

There is much evidence that the 9-11 Truth Movement does not actually seek "the truth" about 9-11, but has several alterior motives and goals.

What is the evidence? Well for one thing, truthers supposedly want a "new" investigation into 9-11. They want this investigation to have subpoena power to call anyone including Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc.

Problem is, they dont trust the FBI, they dont trust the CIA, they dont trust the NSA, they dont trust NIST, and they dont trust the Department of Homeland Security. They think the NYPD is somehow part of the conspiracy, and probably also the DC Police.

So who is gonna conduct such an investigation? How can we give subpoena power to a non-governmental agency? Never mind the fact that truthers consider pretty much any engineering, architectural, or scientific group, company, or organization that supports the "official story" to be agents/compromised/NWO shills....etc.

So basically they want an investigation that can not happen. Thats a huge non-starter.

So if truthers arent really interested in "the truth"..then what are they really after?

I have some suggestions:

1. Making Bush look as bad as possible. Its all post 2000 election angst.

2. Make money. Alex Jones, Dylan Avery, and other truther leaders have
earned some nice mullah with their DVD, t-shirt, poster, event sales.

3. Fame. Alex Jones and Dylan Avery clearly have a deep emotional need
for attention and outside imposed self-worth. They now have
thousands of teenagers who think they are gods. Mission
accomplished.

4. Civil disobedience and hooliganism. It is clear that most truthers are
just begging for some sort of violence to go down against "the man".
They actually have this insane fantasy of revolution, which everyone
else in America sees as a pipe dream, yet they still can't let go.
If they ever did try to start something, it would end very quickly
and they would all look very very foolish and slightly insane.

Now, back to my decaf Dunkin Donuts coffee. :D

Your post to me makes no sense given the title. This in noway shows that "truthers" arent looking for truth, but more or less shows their irrational thought. So the fact that after taking into consideration your original statements you where able to come to the conclusions that they dont want to find truth is perplexing.

If you stated that they wont be able to find truth with the ideology they have then that may make sense, but the accusation of them not wanting to find it just doesnt sit well with my thoughts on your OP.

"So if truthers arent really interested in "the truth"..then what are they really after?"
This comment given after your first 3 paragraphs seems to suggest that within those 3 paragraphs you were able to prove to us, and conclude that "twoofers" are not looking for truth. I do not see such evidence in those paragraphs to continue with the rest of the post the way inwhich you did.

[Thunder]

ok. some more evidence, is that months ago when I used to post at LC, i made a topic asking the following: "would you accept an independant investigation that concluded that 9-11 was NOT an inside job?"

most of the responders said "no". they would simply not accept such a finding. they are soo convinced that nothing can unconvince them.

[OneShotKi11]

ok. some more evidence, is that months ago when I used to post at LC, i made a topic asking the following: "would you accept an independant investigation that concluded that 9-11 was NOT an inside job?"

most of the responders said "no". they would simply not accept such a finding. they are soo convinced that nothing can unconvince them.

Oh no, dont get me wrong i completely understand your point. I just felt the first 2 paragraphs did not portray that idea at all.

Im not disagreeing with your assessment.