A disturbing diagnosis for the Judeo-Christian god

[Cooper]

Common characteristics of people with antisocial personality disorder include:

* Persistent lying or stealing
* Tendency to violate the rights of others (property, physical, sexual, emotional, legal)
* Aggressive, often violent behavior; prone to getting involved in fights
* A persistent agitated ... feeling
* Disregard for the safety of self or others
* ...diagnosis of conduct disorders
* Lack of remorse for hurting others
* Possessing a superficial charm or wit
* Impulsiveness
* A sense of extreme entitlement

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/antisocial-personality-disorder/DS00829/DSECTION=symptoms

And straight from the mouth of god (supposedly):

1 Samuel 15: 3 “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”

Ezekiel 5: 15 “...I shall execute judgments in thee in anger and in fury and in furious rebukes.”

Ezekiel 20: 13 “...I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.”


I find it very disturbing that the god of Judaism and Christianity is so bloody unhinged.

[Ichneumonwasp]

Well, he is a god afterall and not a man. Except when he is a man. Or a spirit.











My brain hurts.

[Georg]

Well, he is a god afterall and not a man. Except when he is a man. Or a spirit.


....or all at the same time.








My brain hurts.


I hear you.

[Ichneumonwasp]

I hope Cooper doesn't mind a slight derail (If so, sorry), but this triggered a thought.

I'm very bothered by the resurrection, and perhaps someone can help me. If Jesus is God and the differentiation is in the fact that Jesus was both God and man, then when Jesus went back to sit at the right hand of God, how could there be any differentiation between the two unless Jesus is still housed in a separate body? If Jesus is not now in a body, sitting next to God, then he is Spirit; and how can there be any differentiation amongst something that has no spatial dimension and does not depend upon something that does have spatial dimension (like our verbs) -- it would have to be all the same thing?

Now, according to Luke, John, and Paul the resurrection is supposed to be a bodily resurrection and not a mere spiritual enlightenment or spiritual transformation. If it is a bodily resurrection, then Jesus (who has been resurrected) has a body. If he has a body, then he must exist in spacetime somewhere. This body supposedly has actual dimension because Jesus not only ate fish but reflected light; and Thomas put his hands into physical wounds (if you read the stories literally).

So, we can't be talkin' 'bout no spiritual body. And what is a 'spiritual body' if spirit has no dimension, no extension in space? A 'spiritual body' would be a contradiction in terms. So, it's got to be a physical body. And so, if it is a physcial body, then Jesus must be somewhere actually physical, which would imply that Heaven is an actual physical space that God inhabits, which makes no sense if God is outside of space and time.











My brain really hurts.

[paximperium]

Judeo-Christian? Why are you leaving out the Muslims?
Shouldn't it be the Islamo-Judeo Christian God?

[Wildy]

My brain hurts.

Maybe you should see a brain specialist?

[Ichneumonwasp]

Maybe you should see a brain specialist?


He keeps smiling back at me in that oddly inverted way, not saying a word.

[six7s]

Judeo-Christian? Why are you leaving out the Muslims?
Shouldn't it be the Islamo-Judeo Christian God?Abrahamic?

I hope Cooper doesn't mind a slight derail (If so, sorry), but this triggered a thought.

I'm very bothered by the resurrection...It's nothing to get hung about

Ywg-PdeGVL0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywg-PdeGVL0

[RobRoy]

I hope Cooper doesn't mind a slight derail (If so, sorry), but this triggered a thought.

I'm very bothered by the resurrection, and perhaps someone can help me.

Can't help. There is no scriptural support for the concept of Trinity - the three-in-one God. It's a super-Biblical concept the Roman Catholic church came up with. Most Christian churches have a different take on the concept, but only within the details. Ultimately, it untenable from a scientific/skeptical perspective.

[Cooper]

Judeo-Christian? Why are you leaving out the Muslims?
Shouldn't it be the Islamo-Judeo Christian God?

I agree. Islam's foundation in the Torah and the Koran itself point to a mentally ill deity. It makes me wonder about the state of mind possessed by the authors of these texts. Were they as warped as the gods they created? A question we will probably never be able to answer but interesting nonetheless.

[RobRoy]

I agree. Islam's foundation in the Torah and the Koran itself point to a mentally ill deity. It makes me wonder about the state of mind possessed by the authors of these texts. Were they as warped as the gods they created? A question we will probably never be able to answer but interesting nonetheless.

Out of pure curiosity, can you cite examples as you provided in the OP?

[kmortis]

You left out bipolar (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28484).



Yes, I know it's been around for a while. It just seemed like its time had come again.

[geni]

Common characteristics of people with antisocial personality disorder include:


They all assume that the you are the the same species as the beings you are interacting with. From the POV of most non human species humans have interesting mental issues.

[Ichneumonwasp]

Can't help. There is no scriptural support for the concept of Trinity - the three-in-one God. It's a super-Biblical concept the Roman Catholic church came up with. Most Christian churches have a different take on the concept, but only within the details. Ultimately, it untenable from a scientific/skeptical perspective.


Technically, the trinity needn't enter into it. All that is required is belief in the divinity of Christ (and a desire to avoid polytheism). If you don't see Jesus as divine, there is obviously not even a potential issue. But this is way off topic anyway and probably not that productive an idea.

[cannotthinkofaname]

I hope Cooper doesn't mind a slight derail (If so, sorry), but this triggered a thought.

I'm very bothered by the resurrection, and perhaps someone can help me. If Jesus is God and the differentiation is in the fact that Jesus was both God and man, then when Jesus went back to sit at the right hand of God, how could there be any differentiation between the two unless Jesus is still housed in a separate body? If Jesus is not now in a body, sitting next to God, then he is Spirit; and how can there be any differentiation amongst something that has no spatial dimension and does not depend upon something that does have spatial dimension (like our verbs) -- it would have to be all the same thing?

Now, according to Luke, John, and Paul the resurrection is supposed to be a bodily resurrection and not a mere spiritual enlightenment or spiritual transformation. If it is a bodily resurrection, then Jesus (who has been resurrected) has a body. If he has a body, then he must exist in spacetime somewhere. This body supposedly has actual dimension because Jesus not only ate fish but reflected light; and Thomas put his hands into physical wounds (if you read the stories literally).

So, we can't be talkin' 'bout no spiritual body. And what is a 'spiritual body' if spirit has no dimension, no extension in space? A 'spiritual body' would be a contradiction in terms. So, it's got to be a physical body. And so, if it is a physcial body, then Jesus must be somewhere actually physical, which would imply that Heaven is an actual physical space that God inhabits, which makes no sense if God is outside of space and time.











My brain really hurts.

My brain hurts to mate!
But just to touch on the ressurection bit a couple years back I heard a theory that stated Jesus may not have actually died on the cross but may have gone into a state similar to death shock or something like that and then come out of it 3 days later.

[Kittyclaws]

Of course god is wacko. How could he not be, considering the wackos that made him up? Anti-scientific myth-makers trying to climb to the top of the heap via religion.

Anyone read "The Sociopath Next Door?"

[geni]

Of course god is wacko. How could he not be, considering the wackos that made him up? Anti-scientific myth-makers trying to climb to the top of the heap via religion.

Anyone read "The Sociopath Next Door?"

Yahweh's early followers would have had a hard time being anti-scientific. Status as myth-makers is also questionable. A mono-thiestic god gives you far less opportunity for myths than polythiesm. Yahwah is a lot less interesting than the greek and egyptian parthenons.

As for first followers being wackos well the problem is that we have no real idea how old Yahweh is. The written Yahwah we have some estimate on the dates but simply that J,D,E and P could write means that there were at least reasonably well educated. There is also little particularly odd about the writeing style so we have no reason to think the authors insane.

We can also look at more recent religions. While some have been started by people with aparent issues others seem to be started by fairly stable people with high levels of charisma and nonstandard belifes. At the other extream you have scientology.

[RobRoy]

Technically, the trinity needn't enter into it. All that is required is belief in the divinity of Christ (and a desire to avoid polytheism). If you don't see Jesus as divine, there is obviously not even a potential issue. But this is way off topic anyway and probably not that productive an idea.

You said it yourself, only if you want to avoid polytheism, which the early RCC seemed to want to. Otherwise, there's no issue with Jesus being divine in relation to your question. Jesus as divine, but seperate from God the Father, means there's no contradiction with his resurrection.

But you're right, we're a tad off-topic. Interesting stuff though.