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FireGarden
26th September 2008, 02:08 AM
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3601841,00.html

Prominent Israeli historian Professor Ze'ev Sternhell was lightly wounded in the early hours of the morning on Thursday after a pipe bomb went off outside his front door on Shai Agnon St. in Jerusalem. The explosion occurred as Sternhell was locking the outer gate of his home at around 1:00 am, he sustained minor injuries to his legs and was evacuated to the Shaare Zedek Hospital for treatment. Police were alerted to the scene.

[...] Fliers were found in the streets near Sternhell's home promising a reward of 1.1 million shekels to anyone who kills a member of Peace Now. 'The time has come for a halachic state in Judea and Samaria! The time has come for the Kingdom of Judea!' called the fliers.

Police have assigned Peace Now Secretary-General Yariv Oppenheimer with security detail following the attack on Professor Ze'ev Sternhell.

[...] The National Jewish Front organization declined to criticize the attack. "We're not connected to the incident and do not operate that way, but having said that, we will not condemn it. Sternhell legitimized attacks against settlers," the group said.

Many quotes condemn the attack.

Last month, Rabbi Yisrael Rozen denounced Peace Now as "tale-bearing mosers".
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3588739,00.html

[I've reordered the paragraphs because the extract is clearer that way]

Rabbi Yisrael Rozen, head of the orthodox-affiliated, non-profit Zomet Institute, has expressed perhaps the most strident censure possible in Judaism for Peace Now activists, who are fighting to uproot settlers from the Migron settlement.

[...] Rozen claims that the Palestinians who technically own the land in question had no idea that this was the case, but that Peace Now researched the matter and informed them. By doing so, Rozen claims, Peace Now used them "as a handle in war between left and right, between the Jews."

"This kind of tale-bearing, to the court or to the European Union and wealthy non-governmental foundations across the world, is called 'moser'," he said.

[...] The rabbi quoted Maimonides, who wrote "a person who turns over a Jewish person or his property to Gentiles is a moser and has no part in the world to come… It is permissible to execute the moser even today when there is no capital punishment… it is permissible to kill the moser before he informs… If he has been told not to inform and insists on informing, then he who executes the moser first has great merit."

However, he immediately followed this statement with a warning against taking the law into one's own hands, stating that "the trial of capital offenses is the office of the court and it is not the duty of individuals to implement this particular halacha."

Peace Now said they would try to file charges against Rozen, but I've not found any follow-up.

The Fool
26th September 2008, 04:50 AM
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3601841,00.html



Many quotes condemn the attack.

Last month, Rabbi Yisrael Rozen denounced Peace Now as "tale-bearing mosers".
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3588739,00.html

[I've reordered the paragraphs because the extract is clearer that way]



Peace Now said they would try to file charges against Rozen, but I've not found any follow-up.
All I can say is its a good thing these people are a loony very minor minority. The world doesn't need more terrorists..

Mycroft
28th September 2008, 09:07 PM
Many quotes condemn the attack.

Exactly. Many condemn the attack, including ideological opponents of Professor Sternhell. The person who made that pipe-bomb should be prosecuted and punished to the fullest extent of the law.

And that's a real condemnation, not a mealy-mouthed, limp-wristed, fake condemnation like declaring such attacks as "unsustainable."

Skeptic
28th September 2008, 10:24 PM
>>>>>"tale-bearing mosers"

Er. What?

The Fool
28th September 2008, 10:59 PM
>>>>>"tale-bearing mosers"

Er. What?
Lol....And I was going to ask you what that means...

I did find this..
http://exmypar.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/tale-bearing-moser/

looks like a moser is not a nice thing to be called.

gtc
29th September 2008, 12:08 AM
Moser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspector_Rex#Richard_Moser_.28Tobias_Moretti.2C_1 994.E2.80.931998.29)was the side kick of 'Inspector Rex' on the Austrian cop show.

FireGarden
29th September 2008, 12:59 AM
Lol....And I was going to ask you what that means...

I did find this..
http://exmypar.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/tale-bearing-moser/

looks like a moser is not a nice thing to be called.

But that blog just simply restates what's in the same article as the OP. "Informer" is pretty much the translation given by Ynet.

I did find this:
http://yiddish.haifa.ac.il/tmr/tmr01/TMR01_All.txt

This, as we are reminded, is an informer talking ("es iz
aroyf oyf moser-loshn"),

Google turns up quite a few people with the surname Moser.

Given the "tale-bearing" part of the quote, I was thinking tattle-tale would be a good translation.

Skeptic
29th September 2008, 12:53 PM
OK, I get it. It was the English transliteration that got me.

The Hebrew is spelled mem_vav_samech_reysh (I am using the names of the letters), or MOSR (most vowels are not written in Hebrew). Literally, it means "he who gives something to someone else".

The word is not necessarily negative: it can refer, for example, to someone who throws a ball to another player during a ballgame, or to the sender of a letter. But, in this context, it means someone who gives incriminating information about fellow-Jews to the gentile authorities.

There is no exact phonetic equivalent, but probably "mosser" is closest: the samech ('s') sound is like the 'ss' in "gross" or "loss", *not* the 'z'-like sound, as in "rise". I've read "Moser" as "Mo-zer", which isn't Hebrew, which explains the confusion.

Incidentally, a single 's' (which is not followed by 't', 'p', or 'ch') in European Jewish surnames almost always is, or at least used to be, the 'z' sound (since the names are German originally): e.g., "Silverstein" should be pronounced "Zilber-shtein".

For this reason, the 'Moser's in the phone book probably are, or were originally, pronounced 'Mo-zer', and had nothing to do with "Mosser".