The Professor's paranormal proof?

[Azrael 5]

As it may be off topic for the MDC thread,I'll stick it here for now.The Professor states,he has made paranormal predictions previously and will be doing again on some internet radio show this Sunday.
He also claims the Devil's chair in Florida is a portal for spirits.I'd like to see evidence for any of these claims in this thread if possible.

Although I guess anyone can make a paranormal prediction-having it come true is totally different. :rolleyes:

[Drs_Res]

So, what is the difference between a prediction and a paranormal prediction?

[Czarcasm]

So, what is the difference between a prediction and a paranormal prediction?Prediction: The Professor says, "There will be an earthquake in Utah tomorrow!"
Paranormal Prediction: The ghost of The Professor says, "There will be an earthquake in Utah tomorrow!"

[Azrael 5]

According to Magic Cafe post of his,he has had a psychic prediction that is already beginning to come true.I'm guessing he will claim this is the MDC.

[Mojo]

As it may be off topic for the MDC thread,I'll stick it here for now.The Professor states,he has made paranormal predictions previously...


Bigfoot?

[Gord_in_Toronto]

As it may be off topic for the MDC thread,I'll stick it here for now.The Professor states,he has made paranormal predictions previously and will be doing again on some internet radio show this Sunday.
He also claims the Devil's chair in Florida is a portal for spirits.I'd like to see evidence for any of these claims in this thread if possible.

Although I guess anyone can make a paranormal prediction-having it come true is totally different. :rolleyes:

To quote Shakespeare
1 Henry IV, Owen Glendower: "I can call monsters from the vasty deep" to which Hotspur replies "Why, so can I and so can any man, but do they come when you do call for them?"

[Ron_Tomkins]

According to Magic Cafe post of his,he has had a psychic prediction that is already beginning to come true.I'm guessing he will claim this is the MDC.

My guess is, if he can't predict wether he will pass the test or not then there's no case here.

[not daSkeptic]

My guess is, if he can't predict wether he will pass the test or not then there's no case here.

I'm sure like so many other purported prognosticators he is, conveniently, unable to perform on command. Thus I doubt he will predict anything we ask of him.

[Chris H]

Bigfoot?


Yeah. Bigfoot. It was paranormal prediction, until a bunch of us debunked it, and then it became a magic trick.

Chris

[Chris H]

Surely a paranormal prediction would be less work, and cheaper, than the "Devils Chair" shenanigans on Halloween? Apply with the claim, "I can predict a future (certain time frame) event", make the prediction, do it again, collect the million. The fact that he hasn't done this makes me think even more that his MDC application is nothing more than a publicity stunt.

Chris

[MattC]

In fairness to Mr. Koenig, he did eventually arrive at what appears to be a testable claim.

~ Matt

[Chris H]

I'm not sure that's true Matt. He was spoonfed. Someone else proposed a testable claim, and he put it forward as his own, because he was left with no other option. The time limit for his claim submission had practically expired.

It would be fairer to say that he has "submitted" a testable claim...but it certainly wasn't his own, and seemed to have no input from his team of writers that he's been on about for weeks.

Cheers,

Chris

[Azrael 5]

On September 27th Prof wrote on Magic Cafe
I am, in fact going to the Devil's Chair again today for more experimentation.

I've been told that others might post video's and tape recordings of my previous successes there.


Previous success? Well you must have held back this piece of evidence from us all.I don't see it anywhere.
Who told you of these others? WHo are they ,and where are the tapes and videos?
I say you aren't telling the truth Dave Koenig.
ETA: On subject of previous success,you claim you can only do this feat once a year.Considering you only first went to the Devil's chair in June this year,and you were wanting to perform again at Halloween(which makes it twice a year)how does this work?

"Previous successes" indicates more than one success,with a once of year ability that is pretty impressive.So are you claiming you can do more than one paranormal ability in this case?

[RoboTimbo]

In fairness to Mr. Koenig, he did eventually arrive at what appears to be a testable claim.

~ Matt

In fairness to everyone who did work on the claim, Mr. Koenig did nothing. Same will go for the protocol.

Sorry, off topic.

[Azrael 5]

I get mixed up with what is on topic for what thread lately,but on the internet radio show yesterday TP's latest paranormal prediction was thus "The band Broadway star will be huge in US and UK I feel.."

Anyone see anything paranormal in this,even IF this came to pass? Looks like a 50/50 guess to me.Considering it's TP's Son who is in the band which Father wouldn't predict this(especially after they get a deal with influential people already)

If this is what passes for paranormal abilities Dave F Koneig Id consider giving up talk of winning the million. :)

[chillzero]

I get mixed up with what is on topic for what thread lately,but on the internet radio show yesterday TP's latest paranormal prediction was thus "The band Broadway star will be huge in US and UK I feel.."

Anyone see anything paranormal in this,even IF this came to pass? Looks like a 50/50 guess to me.Considering it's TP's Son who is in the band which Father wouldn't predict this(especially after they get a deal with influential people already)

If this is what passes for paranormal abilities Dave F Koneig Id consider giving up talk of winning the million. :)

So perhaps there was no need for yet another of these threads.
Perhaps people should leave those making claims to start their own threads on the topic.

[Chris H]

The last thing I want is for the JREF Forum to be flooded with threads about Mr Koenig. But it is quite interesting that his paranormal claims are proven quite quickly to be anything but. He refers to the Broadway Calls prediction as "a genuine, bona fide, paranormal prediction" on the radio show where he made it. The host acts vague, and The Professor seems sketchy on the details. Later, on The Magic Cafe, Mr Koening openly admitted that his son is the bass player for Broadway Calls, and that Jeramiah (the host) knows the band also.

Which got me thinking. Either Broadway Calls have signed a record deal, and are doing well at the moment, starting to build themselves a bit of a fanbase - and Daddy decided to get some free publicity out of them. Or, Mr Koenig is just giving the band a bit of a plug on an Internet radio show listened to by dozens of people all over the world.

Either way, it's self evident that this was set up, and is hardly paranormal. Reminds me of the boy who cried wolf. If he lied about his bigfoot "prediction", and his latest prediction has been proven a setup also, what's to say his next "paranormal" event (the MDC) won't be fraudulent as well?

Chris

[steenkh]

I'm not sure that's true Matt. He was spoonfed. Someone else proposed a testable claim, and he put it forward as his own, because he was left with no other option. The time limit for his claim submission had practically expired.
You are right, of course.

I think TP has a problem with words or thinking straight. Whenever he tried to present a claim of his own, it was constantly couched in unacceptable terms that left doubt if his claim was really paranormal. He is used to publish programmes of his magic performances, where it is paramount not to describe what is actually going on, and could not adapt to describing a test where he had to tell exactly what was going on.

I was disappointed that his original idea of using many different languages got lost in the process. My suggestion that a language was included that he could not know in advance made him immediately drop the languages from the claim, which to me is a sure indication that he knew he could not not trick his way past that obstacle.

[Chris H]

I too thought the unknown language idea was a good one. There have been many great ideas over in the claim/protocol thread that have been ignored by The Professor. Whilst I predicted it from day one, the longer this goes on, the more I think that it will never happen. What is disappointing is that the test seems to have been put off until next Halloween, so we've got another year worth of this circus to look forward to.

Chris

[chillzero]

*sigh*
I will be saying this in my sleep.....

Do not discuss the protocol for a claim anywhere outside of its thread in the MDC section.

[Jim Callahan]

I too thought the unknown language idea was a good one. There have been many great ideas over in the claim/protocol thread that have been ignored by The Professor. Whilst I predicted it from day one, the longer this goes on, the more I think that it will never happen. What is disappointing is that the test seems to have been put off until next Halloween, so we've got another year worth of this circus to look forward to.

Chris

You have yourself to blame for that.

[Jackalgirl]

You have yourself to blame for that.

Would you please explain how this is so?

From what I've seen, the main brake on the whole process has been Dave himself. It took him forever to come up with a testable claim, and at the rate his protocol is not progressing, GM is quite right. Dave is clearly more interested in exchanging "witty" and "biting" messages with other people that he is in seriously trying to figure out a protocol (I put those words in quotation marks because I find them neither. I think that when someone says something insulting and then puts a smiley by it, it's indicating that they are not particularly mature). The likelihood of him spending the next year engaged in sniping with other people is much, much higher than him actually nailing down his protocol.

There is no one here, besides Jeff Wagg at this point, who can delay Dave's progress other than Dave.

This thread could actually be useful for that, though of course the actual discussion of the protocol belongs in the protocol thread. But if he explained here, in detail, his evidence that the Devil's Chair is a portal for "paranormal entities", it could provide some information that could be used over in the other thread for designing controls for a specific demonstration.

[not daSkeptic]

The likelihood of him spending the next year engaged in sniping with other people is much, much higher than him actually nailing down his protocol.

Of course. These guys thrive on ambiguity. So long as things remain questionable they can say or do whatever they want. Nailing things down would take away their wiggle room.

[Locknar]

You have yourself to blame for that.
This makes a great segway....so any idea when you'll get around to answering my question (asked in another thread (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4076026&postcount=105))?

[not daSkeptic]

This makes a great segway....so any idea when you'll get around to answering my question (asked in another thread (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4076026&postcount=105))?

Or mine ..... (also in another thread (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4086754&postcount=156))

[xinit]

You have yourself to blame for that.Would you please explain how this is so?Would you please explain how this is so?

Simple; even Jim knows what we should all have figured out ages ago; we're feeding a troll by attempting to discuss things with The Professor.

[Chris H]

*sigh*
I will be saying this in my sleep.....

Do not discuss the protocol for a claim anywhere outside of its thread in the MDC section.


Are we permitted to discuss things here outside the protocol? The Professor seems to be doing a lot of talking (usually negative) about Randi and the JREF outside of his application (The Magic Cafe, various radio shows), and it would be nice to have somewhere to even up the balance a little.

For example, this was posted to me on The Magic Cafe in a thread titled "Counterfeit yes/no?" by The Professor (Psychic Samurai) earlier today.


On 2008-10-01 23:36, Psychic Samurai wrote:
NO ...
You PROMISED TO HELP and then began a smear campaign on the JREF Forum ( You started the 30 pages LMAO).
But that just lets everyone know THE REAL YOU :)
Very transparent.

But back to the exposure of Randi as a Felon!!!!!!

Can't take the focus off of that! :)

It is now proven someone has violated the law!

Take a guess :)



I think it is worth discussing these kind of comments in relation to the widely held theory that Mr Koenig's MDC application is a publicity stunt, but I'm aware that it's not really related to "protocol negotiations".

Chris

[Jackalgirl]

This is off-topic, so forgive me, but I was just pondering Dave's upcoming show in Florida. What chances do you give that he'll claim that since his claim was accepted by the JREF, he's waiting for them to show up and test him, and then make a big to-do on camera that they are not there, and gosh they must be scared? "Gosh, Randi must be afraid to come because he's a felon!"*

I wonder how much of his show is going to be trying to gather some actual information that he can either use as evidence or use to build a solid means of investigation, and how much of it is going to be spent smearing JREF and Randi?

*Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in order to be a felon, you have to be convicted of a felony. Good luck with getting the Treasury for going after Randi, especially when he's using the fake money as a means to educate people about methods to detect counterfeit money that don't work. He's actually doing them a service, so I am willing to bet a case of your favorite beverage that the worst they'll do is tell him, "hey, the money has to be 50% larger or %75 of an actual bill's size. Please make sure you do that from now on. By the way, thanks for everything you're doing -- you're the best."

Okay, so the message is only partially off-topic. I look forward to actual proof, evidence, or -- well -- anything substantive being offered here, as a result of further tests or the actual show on the 31st. But I'm not really holding my breath.

[0m3g4]

Are we permitted to discuss things here outside the protocol?
Yes, good question. Is this the right place to call The Professor a liar and a fraud, because that's what he is.
30 pages and counting prove it. It's just a big waste of time to try to discuss anything with him. And in the end, there won't be any test, not because it took him ages to come up with a claim, not because he'll never design an acceptable protocol, but simply because he has no paranormal power and he knows it. His only interests are self promotion and damaging James Randi.

[Chris H]

Jackalgirl, you read my mind. Might I suggest submitting a challenge application? This was my response to Mr Koenigs post.


On 2008-10-02 00:06, Topher Higgins wrote:
I started that thread because you were mouthing off about the details of a challenge application that, at the time, didn't exist.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=121157

My first post in that thread contains no evidence of a "smear campaign" either. I notified the JREF forum members, who have an interest in the subject, that there was a challenge application on the way from someone who they knew had been talking about the MDC for some time. I don't think it wasn't particularly bright of you to tell everyone the details of the challenge, and the time and place before the JREF had even received your application. The thread was started to even up the balance a little.

I don't believe I "promised" to help. I said I would support a genuine application to the Million Dollar Challenge. Thus far, you've done nothing to prove that your application is anything more than a publicity stunt...and I'm not the only one saying that.

It amazes me how you blatantly ignore facts repeatedly to support your own messed up little fantasy world. I'll say it again.


Apple OSX Dictionary
"FELON"
noun
a person who has been convicted of a felony.


Randi has not been convicted of a felony, and won't be at anytime in the near future. He is not a felon. Case closed.

Get your facts straight.

Chris

[steenkh]

*sigh*
I will be saying this in my sleep.....

Do not discuss the protocol for a claim anywhere outside of its thread in the MDC section.
Could I suggest that this is the place where we could put all those comments about TP's obvious lack of paranormal abilities that would be off-topic in the other thread?

[chillzero]

You need to keep this thread very very civil.
I did not think this additional thread should have been started, while the challenge application is ongoing. It is too fine a line to walk, as can clearly be seen.

Yes, you can discuss things here that are irrelevant to the protocol. However, that means you shouldn't discuss the upcoming show, as it is integral to his claim. I don't think (steenkh) that it is appropriate to want a thread for being negative about a challange claimant when that was the reason for the original thread going on moderated status in the first place.

I personally think the better thing to do is let this thread die, be polite, patient and helpful in assisting the claimant work out a protocol, and otherwise have as little as possible to do with any member who is difficult to keep on topic. That would include in the forum in general.
(This is not a mod directive - just my personal opinion, although based on what I'm seeing as a mod.)

[Azrael 5]

I htink there is already a thread for the counterfeit nonsense,I started this for the self explanatory title.I think it is important -obviously for protocol reasons-and also for general reasons.

My personal belief based on what Ive heard of TP's media prescence and posts on Magic Cafe forum is of a publicity seeking magician/mentalist.
COnsider these facts

1.No proof of any portal at Devil's Chair,or any paranormal activity there.
2.No proof-as yet-that Dave Koenig can do anything paranormal.(see 5)
3.So bearing in mind 1. Halloween is a none starter.
4.No proof that ITC or EVP has any scientific worth.No evidence to suggest this.
5 Dave Koenig claims he has carried out paranormal experiments before,also at Devil's
Chair,he has spoke of people making recordings they were going to upload.Again ,no evidence of that.
6.He claims to have contacted various paranormal research groups,sci-fi writers;and intimated he would apply for Tampa skeptics challenge at Aske-uk.org.
Again,no evidence of any of that.
7.Magic Cafe member Todd Robbins-a claimed friend of Randi-offered to help Dave(if he had a paranormal ability that could be truly proven to be real)to apply.There has been no mention of this person until now.

Plenty evidence of him name calling James Randi,Jeff Wagg,RemieV and JREF in general,though no evidence of any substance to these attacks.

If nothing else this post will serve as proof of shenanigans :)

[Azrael 5]

Bump ,as it would be a shame to lose a thread where paranormal proof can be so easily found.

[Brian-M]

1.No proof of any portal at Devil's Chair,or any paranormal activity there.


No proof?

If you put a can of beer on the grave next to the chair it will be empty in the morning and the top will still be sealed. Now how is that possible? But I know someone who did it and the next morning the can was empty.
http://ghost2ghost.org/modules.php?name=Forum&topic=254.msg613

Unattended beer going missing? Surely that's evidence! :D

[rjh01]

Very interesting read. However your quote is out of context.

One rumor says that if you place an unopened can of beer on the Devil's Chair before midnight, by the next morning the devil will have drank it and left the beverage's container behind as proof

Local police deny that the chair has any supernatural powers. The following is from the Daytona Beach News-Journal: ?Lake Helen Police Chief Keith Chester has spent many a night on patrol in the cemetery, sometimes even seated in the Devil's Chair.

"?I've been here 18 years and I've never seen (a devil),? he said. ?If there ever was one, I'd have been retired by now.'"

So sorry. Nothing will happen at the end of the month. This includes The Professor being there at midnight doing any tests.

[Hitch]

The disappearing beer seems to be the most easily testable claim. Just need to work out the details of what the claim is. Will a beer empty itself on any night (or just Halloween)? Will a watched beer empty itself? Will it empty itself in the presence of people? How about video cameras? Could a a full beer be left with cameras and/or observers to see that it's not tampered with overnight and be found empty in the morning? If so, I think the investment in a six-pack and a video camera could earn somebody any easy million dollars.

[Azrael 5]

Somewhere in one of these threads TP claims to play for a million people a year.A bold claim no less? A million people paying to see TP? Surely not?

Correct.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S3lmpqHUBA

They pay to visit Universal Studios,and are suitably tortured ;)

[Chris H]

A small sampling of The Professors latest posts over at The Magic Cafe regarding the MDC.



On 2008-10-04 18:22, Psychic Samurai wrote:
You may trust Randi as a true Follower would, But why would ANY OF US trust YOU? :)
Not too logical. It is based on the same nonsense that the JREF MDC is.
On a recent Pre-test the JREF member dismisses the Challenger by saying ... "You'll just have to trust me on that!" :)
NOT LOGICAL AT ALL!
Certainly not Scientific!
You are asking the same thing.
Only you are the judge ... So who can trust you? :)

If you are just kidding then that is cool, but please know that the JREF is NOT kidding and saying they will award $1,000,000 to a winner ... When they will never allow anyone an even playing field :)




On 2008-10-05 23:10, Psychic Samurai wrote:
Randi claims to be the great debunker. Let him in all his wisdom show where the deception is. If he can't do as he claims he can, then he deserves to lose the million. That simple!



The second one is the most interesting, in my opinion. The Professor seems to be under the impression that if an individual can "fool" Randi (the JREF) out of the million dollars, then that individual deserves the money. A poorly thought out choice of words, considering Mr Koenig's status as a current MDC applicant.

Chris

[Gene L]

So, what is the difference between a prediction and a paranormal prediction?

A prediction: The stock market will continue to fluctuate.

A paranormal prediction: The stock market will reach new heights next week.

[xinit]

A prediction: The stock market will continue to fluctuate.

A paranormal prediction: The stock market will reach new heights next week.

Not really; that could be a regular prediction... crazy, but normal. Now, if you throw in claims that ghosts are manipulating the futures market...

[Azrael 5]

To is a veritable magnet for paranormal things.As well as being buddies with Jim Callahan and Alexandre he has a friend who predicts snow.Ok so it's after the fact but hey... ;)

[Brian-M]

Very interesting read. However your quote is out of context.

What, you're going to believe the local authorities over an unsubstantiated rumor of supernatural activities? Not very open minded of you. :D

If so, I think the investment in a six-pack and a video camera could earn somebody any easy million dollars.

Good idea!

Unfortunately, I suspect that the presence of video cameras might scare away the local teenagers supernatural entities. :)

[Azrael 5]

Im suprised TP hasn't made a new thread.Here he is still ranting about the JREF,Project Alpha etc.
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=279043&forum=251&39&start=30

[Locknar]

Funny how the The Professor spends all his time ranting, or going on about unconfirmed/undocumented proof....yet won't take the time to finish up his protocol, get tested, and collect the $1M.

[xinit]

Funny how the The Professor spends all his time ranting, or going on about unconfirmed/undocumented proof....yet won't take the time to finish up his protocol, get tested, and collect the $1M.

Well, he had to put up with all of us nattering nabobs of negativity, and we were really impacting his chi in bad ways, so it has been hard for him.

Then on the night before his homework was due, his grandmother died (again?). If I were a true believer, I might suggest that there were more than just coincidence at work here. I might even suggest that the spirits don't want him to complete his protocol; just look at all this PROOF!

[Locknar]

Dang it! I hate when someone's negative chi interferes with scientific experiments!

On the other hand, ironic that folks that can predict the future seem to miss events like family members dying for example.

[not daSkeptic]

Funny how the The Professor spends all his time ranting, or going on about unconfirmed/undocumented proof....yet won't take the time to finish up his protocol, get tested, and collect the $1M.

Like I said in one of his other threads, he has a protocol already. He had to prove it to himself, right? So he should just use that one.

[fromdownunder]

Like I said in one of his other threads, he has a protocol already. He had to prove it to himself, right? So he should just use that one.

He either has a protocol finished weeks ago, or has not got a protocol, depending upon which thread you read. Maybe TP actually lives in alternative universes at the same time, and does not remember which one he is posting in when he contradicts his own posts.

Norm

[not daSkeptic]

He either has a protocol finished weeks ago, or has not got a protocol, depending upon which thread you read.

The way I see it, if he has not designed a protocol that is acceptable to JREF, then he has not demonstrated his abilities to himself in such a way as to eliminate alternate explanations. If he has designed such a protocol, then his failure to submit it suggests he does not actually wish to be tested.

[chillzero]

Thread on moderated status, due to continued circumvention of the moderated status of the protocol thread.

[The Professor]

You guys are such fun!

This is a cool little thread you've started about me. I'm flattered :)

Paranormal Proof is all about you. It is getting closer and closer each day. The TV and Movie companies are now financing the effort to find true Paranormal Events.

That is what I'm also concerned about!

You have built a Straw Man saying I have SUPERPOWERS.

I think even Jackalgirl can see your attempts at discrediting something that has never been claimed (maybe not)

That's not quite right is it? Just shows your prejudice :)

There are Paranormal Events taking place more and more frequently.

You may ignore it, but others see it clearly.

It is being televised and recorded throughout the world.

There are Hundreds of Paranormal research groups just in the US. Thousands throughout the world. Every day they get closer and closer.

You will soon see and hear things that you dread :)

[steenkh]

Paranormal Proof is all about you. It is getting closer and closer each day. The TV and Movie companies are now financing the effort to find true Paranormal Events.
But then why is no proof forthcoming?

There are Paranormal Events taking place more and more frequently.

You may ignore it, but others see it clearly.
We are not ignoring it, we are asking for proof.

It is being televised and recorded throughout the world.
We are not asking for more worthless TV footage but for real evidence.

There are Hundreds of Paranormal research groups just in the US. Thousands throughout the world. Every day they get closer and closer
To what? Such groups have worked for many years, and yet not a single paranormal event has ever been documented.

You will soon see and hear things that you dread :)
You are very wrong if you think we dread it. On the contrary, most skeptics would welcome a successful paranormal demonstration. We just do not accept non-paranormal events passed off as paranormal.

[Azrael 5]

You guys are such fun!

This is a cool little thread you've started about me. I'm flattered :)

We're laughing at you not with you.

Paranormal Proof is all about you. It is getting closer and closer each day. The TV and Movie companies are now financing the effort to find true Paranormal Events.

WHich companies? Discovery channel? NAtional Geographic? CNN? Or do you man The Paranormal Channel?!

That is what I'm also concerned about!

You have built a Straw Man saying I have SUPERPOWERS.

You were the one claiming you could invoke entities and have them recorded,not us.I see that claim went away very quickly.Not sure anyone has stated you have "superpowers" quote the posts please.

There are Paranormal Events taking place more and more frequently.

You may ignore it, but others see it clearly.
Thousands of people see Elvis every year,doesn't hold much water though.But some actual evidence would be nice.

It is being televised and recorded throughout the world.
Yes Most Haunted and its ilk apparently record "things" yet always in the dark and very blurry.Typical.

There are Hundreds of Paranormal research groups just in the US. Thousands throughout the world. Every day they get closer and closer.

You will soon see and hear things that you dread :)

Evidence? Evidence?
Dread? That's funny.
Come back with some evidence.Or are you too busy trying to be-smirch Banchek now and the Project Alpha expreiment.

So to re-cap:
Edited for topic
You have no paranormal abilities.

Anything I've missed? :)

[fromdownunder]

You have built a Straw Man saying I have SUPERPOWERS.



Well, since nobody has said SUPERPOWERS, in either lower case or CAPS on this thread ever, unless the search function isn't functioning properly), I guess you do not have a point here, and are simply making stuff up again. But then, we have come to expect that.

TP, you were a bit of harmless fun, but now it's getting too easy and you are becoming boring. So, please make an effort to do something mildly humourous - you are losing your audience.

Norm

[Azrael 5]

No doubt be off topic in Callahan's MDC claim thread so here it is.Proof of EVP.
Serious? Stunt? "Magic Trick?" DOubt we will get the answer from Jim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RxhxygUtzU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RxhxygUtzU)

Of course The Professor is jumping to his buddy's defence too on Magic Cafe(in between slating Randi and JREF and Banchek) ;)

If it were not for these experiments conducted under specific scientific conditions I would not have applied for the JREF MDC.

Firstly ... NOTHING SHOULD HAVE APPEARED ON THE CAMERA VIDEO.... Absolutely Nothing!

The fact that something DID APPEAR is Amazing in itself.

Also, there is a definite "Entity" (Language I used in my first claim) that is attempting to "Peer" into the camera.

There are many such video's and EVP's that prompted me to Apply to the JREF MDC.

Most on that Forum are Snarky bashers that have no real or honest quest for the truth.

Many TV shows and other sites have some very convincing EVP's also!

[Skeptic Guy]

Creative use of some-off-the-shelf video editing software?

[Denver]

I'm not going to do a deep analysis, but it really looks like many of those wave line frames are being looped.

[The Professor]

Check this out!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RxhxygUtzU

There are many more to come.
We have made many EVP's and ITC's over the past couple of years and we will be releasing them as soon as the Video and TV guys say it's OK.

[learner]

Check this out!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RxhxygUtzU

There are many more to come.
We have made many EVP's and ITC's over the past couple of years and we will be releasing them as soon as the Video and TV guys say it's OK.

Woah! That vid sent me to sleep. nearly headbutted my laptop screen as I drifted off. Count me impressed. :)

[RoboTimbo]

Check this out!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RxhxygUtzU

There are many more to come.
We have made many EVP's and ITC's over the past couple of years and we will be releasing them as soon as the Video and TV guys say it's OK.


You're joking, right? That's it? This has to be a joke. You can't possibly be serious that that is proof of some paranormal entity. That's like seeing an image of a religious figure in an oil slick on a pond. Did you introduce a carved pumpkin head into a feedback loop or something? I think the only outlet you have for this is the Ray Santilli, not a skeptical forum. Oh my dawg, if people weren't laughing at you before, they sure will be now.

[steenkh]

Check this out!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RxhxygUtzU

There are many more to come.
We have made many EVP's and ITC's over the past couple of years and we will be releasing them as soon as the Video and TV guys say it's OK.
What is this? A study on how to make find images in noise from electrical interference?

I much rather think I would prefer looking for images on toasted bread :)

[tyr_13]

Wow, some people don't know how camcorders work apparently. Of course without so much as a picture of the 'sealed box' or the make of recorder used, this is even more of an unimpressive piece than it initially appears to be.

Head and upper body, but non-human in appearance? What, is it supposed to look like a dog's head and upper body? A monkey's? Oh! They found bigfoot!

[steenkh]

I imagine that they have put some camera in a sealed, opaque box, and then they have experimented with a number of noise emitters, taking them closer to the box, or moving them slowly past the box. The recording with the picture that lent themselves best for pareidolea was selected as being "proof" of something paranormal.

If TP thinks this is evidence, I wonder what he thinks will be evidence at his own test!

[not daSkeptic]

Looks to me like someone shot the caustics in a swimming pool, cranked up the contrast and dropped the brightness.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_270064900e2846fa59.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=14138)

[Azrael 5]

Referring to a post I made in The Professors MDC thread-which he claimed he couldmnt reply as it was off topic.It isnt in here Prof, so can we see proof of EVP's with Mike Davis NASA control launch dude you claim to have?