David Ray Griffin in Japan (appearing with anti-semites and UFO believers)

[adversity1]

Hi JREF forum.

David Ray Griffin has been booked by Japanese "peace movement" activist Kikuchi Yumi for a four-stop tour across Japan.

http://2nd911.globalpeace.jp/english.html

At the Tokyo stop, he will be speaking alongside Dojimaru Akira (an anti-semite who describes Jews as parasitic elements of the ruling class) and Benjamin Fulford (a crypto-antisemite who pretends that he doesn't attack Jews and goes for Zionists, also believes in UFOs).

I plan to confront this fraudulent scholar about his distortions. Anyone else interested?

[Reality Believer]

Japanese anti-Semites? I Had no idea :boggled:

[adversity1]

Sad but true.

Check out this letter to the editor I wrote to the Japan Times for a bit more detail.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20080715a1.html

These people are a tiny minority, but the problem is they're being boosted by the peace movement here to promote "9/11 truth".

[RedIbis]

Sad but true.

Check out this letter to the editor I wrote to the Japan Times for a bit more detail.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20080715a1.html

These people are a tiny minority, but the problem is they're being boosted by the peace movement here to promote "9/11 truth".

The response was quite telling.

[Gazpacho]

Japanese anti-Semites? I Had no idea :boggled:
Its a bonding thing for CTs everywhere, like sports. "You hate Jews? I hate Jews too! Lets have lunch some time."

[VespaGuy]

The response was quite telling.

Agreed. More proof that any mention of "9/11" on the internet will be swarmed by posts from nutters.

[mchapman]

Agreed. More proof that any mention of "9/11" on the internet will be swarmed by posts from nutters.

Yeah ive noticed that whenever I make a post on here about 911 the nutters come swarming all over it.:D

[Walter Ego]

Japanese anti-Semites? I Had no idea :boggled:


Beginning in the mid-1980s, dozens of books based on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion began to appear in Japanese bookstores and sold millions of copies. Jews were described in these books and in the large, gaudy advertisements that appeared for them in mass circulation daily newspapers as a clandestine cabal plotting to destroy Japan and rule the world. The Jewish plot, the books charged, had already succeeded. The United States, Japan’s chief ally and most important trading partner, was controlled by Jews, who formed a “shadow government” and manipulated U.S. policies for their own perfidious ends. Certain ministries within the Japanese government had already been taken over by Jews, it was said, and Japan was doomed unless something could be done. The enemy was ruthless, and the response, it was implied, had to be equally so.

http://sicsa.huji.ac.il/goodman2.pdf

Reportedly, the "Protocols" can still be purchased In several languages at Japanese airports.

[adversity1]

The response was quite telling.

I agree RedIbis, here were some of the responses to John Spiri's piece which he proudly posted on his blog:

3. Dear Sir/Madam,

I am British and have just stumbled upon your excellent article about

Yukihisa Fujita san. I applaud the efforts of Fujita-san and he has my prayers and best wishes.

If you can convey these sentiments to him in Japanese then I shall be very grateful.

The world really does need the efforts of all Japanese — citizens and politicians — to force the truth out into the open so as to ensure the criminals responsible (such as George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, and all the many so-called Jews active in that administration, such as Michael Chertoff) are brought to justice, and if found guilty, executed by hanging or by lethal injection.

We must rid this world of the Illuminati. All efforts must be concentrated on eliminating the Illuminati.

Yours truly, and thank you.

19. Jews did 911 and all world wars.

The one word that is not being said is usually the guilty party. This is the case.

http://www.Jews-Did-911.com

Only the Jews and Israel have profited from 911 and the Next False Flag will happen before Oct 2008 and plunge the world into total oil cutoff and Japan will starve. So cut your goddamn Political Correctness and start telling the truth. The Jew press and media in the USA won’t. Are you under the thumb of Jews there too?

Commander Z,

Patriot Militia.

Telling indeed.

[UNLoVedRebel]

Mackey already confronted him in his whitepaper. He is notoriously quiet when faced with criticism. His usual tactic is to unleash his minions.

[T.A.M.]

DRG makes a living as a pseudo-crusader, writing books, travelling the world giving speeches to those dumb enough to pay him. He would be lost without 9/11 truth, the Illuminati, and the Neocons.

TAM:)

[Minadin]

I agree RedIbis, here were some of the responses to John Spiri's piece which he proudly posted on his blog:

Only the Jews and Israel have profited from 911 and the Next False Flag will happen before Oct 2008 and plunge the world into total oil cutoff and Japan will starve.

Telling indeed.

(Bolding mine, quote snipped, etc.)

You have to love those conspiracy theories that come pre-wired with time-delay Hush-A-Boom(tm) self-debunking mechanisms like that.

What do those commercials say? 'Just set it and forget it?' 'So easy, a caveman truther anti-semite could do it?'

[defaultdotxbe]

i respectfully object to the use of the term "UFO believer" in a derogatory sense

[dudalb]

Japanese anti-Semites? I Had no idea :boggled:


Actually, the Japanese Government in World War II was officially Anti Semitic...don't forget who their Axis Buddies were.
Although I am pretty sure these present day jokers are probably the Ultra Nationalists..the ones who are apologists for World War 2 Japan. Birds of a Feather....

[Gravy]

Hi JREF forum.

David Ray Griffin has been booked by Japanese "peace movement" activist Kikuchi Yumi for a four-stop tour across Japan.

http://2nd911.globalpeace.jp/english.html

At the Tokyo stop, he will be speaking alongside Dojimaru Akira (an anti-semite who describes Jews as parasitic elements of the ruling class) and Benjamin Fulford (a crypto-antisemite who pretends that he doesn't attack Jews and goes for Zionists, also believes in UFOs).

I plan to confront this fraudulent scholar about his distortions. Anyone else interested?Thanks for pointing this out, adversity1. I think the first thing to do is to make sure DRG knows the views of the people he's scheduled to appear with (we know about his research incompetence, and I'll bet he's never even bothered to Google these crackpots' names).

If he chooses to go ahead with the appearance, he can't say he didn't know. Nor can he argue that these people have produced any important or original work related to 9/11 that compels his appearance – he's the star speaker. He'll have some 'splainin' to do, and he'll have once again revealed how low even the "best" of the truthers will stoop to find any support.

I will contact him, and I'll first just ask if he's taken a few minutes to learn about the people he's scheduled to appear with.

[CurtC]

i respectfully object to the use of the term "UFO believer" in a derogatory sense

Really? Or are you just joking? I honestly don't know.

[DC]

i belive in UFO's

[DC]

but doubt they are flown by some ET's :)

[Pardalis]

I plan to confront this fraudulent scholar about his distortions. Anyone else interested?

Japan is a bit out of my way... :p

[ref]

And Griffin has arrived to Japan. He is still listed to appear with all those people mentioned in the OP.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/18258

[adversity1]

No surprise. This is a guy who was on White Power radio the other day. I doubt he cares much for discerning who he's speaking with.

[MarkyX]

Japanese anti-Semites? I Had no idea :boggled:

http://www15.ocn.ne.jp/~oyakodon/newversion/yudayasensou.e.htm

Or if you want to watch an entertaining animation while narrating the crazy..

http://www.somethingawful.com/d/flash-tub/letter-from-internet-5.php

[adversity1]

Ok reposting my original post plus the continuation from the AE911 truth thread:

Hey folks.

Went to the David Ray Griffin tour in Osaka today. Something like 50-60 people there. What was interesting here was that the event in Osaka was hosted by the 'people's newspaper', a new left newspaper that has been around since the 1960s. Because of this, the plain anti-semitism of the Tokyo conference could not be so easily put on display. In fact in the book sale area, there was typical anti-war literature and 'vanilla' 9/11 truth literature.

So yeah, I was invited to speak on stage after Griffin made his speech and critique him. Griffin was also critiqued by a left activist previously, which was rather brutal. He was repeatedly shown pictures of airplane parts in the Pentagon, to which he could only double down and claim that 'well if you're going to commit false flag terrorism, you would leave some evidence behind'. So yeah, that's his answer to the Pentagon stuff, that the government planted it. People in the audience were looking at each other like 'whaaaat?' It was awful. So I started yelling out 'what about the body parts??' To which Griffin said that he would get to later. Eventually he did, after skipping over it in one of his uselessly long monologues. His reasoning about all the body parts the coroner found? Well those appeared at the pathology center and there were never any bodies from the plane found in the wreckage. To which I laughed out loud, quickly opened up my copy of Firefight, found the page where it mentioned BODIES STRAPPED TO SEATS and interrupted again. 'Um, just a brief correction to what you're saying there.' But no, Griffin wouldn't have it. He claimed he had to move on because there was no time. 'Yeah you want to move on because you're lying. SCUMBAG.' To which he had no reply and the whole auditorium got really quiet lol.

So the left activist had already pretty much torn the dude up when he got his chance to speak. He spent his time mostly on the 9/11 comission report, the chairman, Norman Mineta, timeline contradictions etc. I didn't think he was going to get into any real woo, but yeah he did. Claimed again no plane at the Pentagon, then brought up the voice synthesizers. I loled. I think he'd really lost people at this point.

Oh by the way he made his debut at the end of this speech as a Pearl Harbor conspiracy theorist, stating something like the President knew the attack was coming or something. Very political to do in a nationalist Japan where this sort of conspiracy theory is used by the right to imagine away their war of aggression. But this is David Ray Griffin, the most disgusting apologist I've ever personally witnessed.

After his presentation, which was quite accurately translated by Kikuchi Yumi, the so-called 'peace activist' who had invited Griffin to Japan. By the time that I was called up to stage to critique his arguments, however, she suddenly refused to interpret for Griffin and I. She claimed that she had heard I spoke really good Japanese, so it shouldn't be a problem, and dashed off to the bathroom. Um, well yes I am a professional translator. But there is a huge difference in the field that I translate for (electronics) and the specialist terms that I would need to translate anything about the WTC collapses. Nevertheless, these were the circumstances given to me and I went ahead with my critique, in Japanese.

I opened with the statement that I do believe that there was something called the 9/11 truth movement, and that this included the 9/11 families who helped initiate the 9/11 commission report, writers like Lynn Spencer, Patrick Creed, Rick Newman and others. However, what we are dealing with here in Osaka today is not a truth movement. It does not seek out objective truth. Next, I decided to follow up on the question that Griffin had avoided earlier, pulling out my copy of Firefight and reading the passage on page 373 about not only airplane parts being found, but bodies strapped to seats. After I read my question in Japanese, I said it to Griffin and he looked at me dumbfounded for like 10 seconds. There was laughter in the audience. It was a really odd moment. Um, so then he responded and said something about how well these are only the accounts of two people and how can you trust that, and if you were going to commit false flag terrorism then you would have to plant some evidence to make it look realistic. I think most people in the audience got the point that he was just ********ting. I was then asked to make all my criticisms and then Griffin would address them later. So I moved onto his point about the 'faked' calls to victims, and quoted from George Papcun, the creator of voice-morphing technology who states emphatically that what Griffin claims is simply not technically possible. Then I talked about how Michael Hess, one of the two witnesses to 'explosions' in WTC7, about whom Griffin had earlier claimed that along with Barry Jennings, 'these two men witnessed the event, and therefore there is no way that they can be lying', had clarified in the new version of the BBC's 'the Third Tower' that what he thought was an explosion was in fact the impact of the WTC tower on the south side of the building. Then I brought up the final statement of the 9/11 Family Steering Commitee which accepted the findings of the 9/11 commission, and then the Jersey Girl's acceptance of the building 7 NIST report (thanks JihadJane!). I believe these were the only points I was able to make in such a short amount of time due to the limits of my Japanese and the need to interpret everything back to Griffin. In response to all of my points, Griffin essentially waffled. He spent something like 5 minutes of his reply on completely random subject matter including claiming that the conspiracy that the truthers allege is equivocal to the 'government's allegations' of an Al Queda conspiracy (even though he refuses to put together a hypothesis of his own!). At least some people in the audience were annoyed by this obvious ********ting and one guy started cat-calling "HEY, you're repeating yourself!" in Japanese, which led to Griffin eventually trying to address my points. Re: Hess, well he's a friend of Giuliani's. Re: the Jersey Girls and the 9/11 Family Steering Committee documents, well one of the Jersey Girls endorsed my book. LOL

So that was about it...it was obvious by this point that even the activists with the 'people's newspaper' who had put the event on, just wanted to put an end to this event and move on. I could tell that at least some of them were by the end extremely critical of what they heard. A few came up to me shaking their heads and laughing afterwards, and those who were already critical felt clearly vindicated.

But before I left the stage, I had a present for Dr. Griffin. I had printed out all 300 pages of Ryan Mackey's critique of his work, gave a brief description of the paper plus an introduction to Ryan Mackey to all assembled before handing it over to a disgruntled Griffin.

With that, the 'people's newspaper' folks ended with a Chomsky quote against the conspiracy theory and closed the event. As people were walking out, I handed attendees copies of a review that a socialist newspaper had done of Okina Hidetsugu's 'The Trap of Conspiracy Theories' which is a pretty concise statement of how these theories are linked to anti-semitism and irrational fear of authority (I should state for the record that I am on the radical left and as such completely opposed to anti-semitism/anti-Zionism). The reception of the article was awesome, people came up and thanked me directly, told me I had done a great job despite being forced to speak in Japanese and I had several longer conversations with people. One person even asked where to download the Mackey paper lol. I think the truth movement suffered a defeat here in Osaka and it's thanks to the (belated) critical inquiry of some of the 'people's newspaper' staff, Griffin and Kikuchi's own complete incompetence, and my limited contribution.

So after this disastrous performance, I went onto stage to confront Griffin one more time. I asked him about his personal correspondence with Hufschmid and Bollyn and other holocaust deniers. He claimed that he had taken Hufschmid's references out of the new edition of his book, but that Bollyn 'is different' and does not deny the holocaust. This is either willful ignorance or a blatant lie. He also mentioned that Hufschmid lives about a mile from him, and that he had been over to his house several times!! 'And he didn't mention anything to you about holocaust denial at those times??' 'No, no he didn't.' Wow. So they are closer than perhaps people here knew.

Anyways over the next week I'm going to try to get video of the event for people to see. I would also like to turn this into a post on Screw Loose Change if possible and call out Kikuchi Yumi for what she is, a smiling face knowingly making excuses for some of the worst reactionaries both abroad and at home.

JamesB, Brainster, get at me!!

[adversity1]

Oh and one more thing, when I talked to Griffin after the conference was over, he claimed that he 'read the Mackey piece' but didn't ever respond to it because some other guy did a critique of it and showed how bad it was. LOL And he said it was so big he wasn't going to be able to take it with him, so please take it back. I said no. 'Well I'm going to have to throw it away.' 'Then do that'

[Brainster]

Great job, Adversity1! Griffin is at the top of the list of the "Truthers" that I'd like to corner in a debate-type setting. Unfortunately, he knows this, and so he seldom lets himself get into that situation.

You lived the dream, and I salute you for it!

:clap::clap:

ETA: I will happily make a post at SLC of your comments above and a YouTube post.

[Mr.Herbert]

awesome job!!!

Was this recorded on video? :)

[adversity1]

awesome job!!!

Was this recorded on video? :)

From several angles :D

[Mr.Herbert]

Is it accessible via the internet?

[adversity1]

Not yet. It may take me awhile to get it up. I planned to have my GF tape it for me, but the event organizers were taping it so I just decided to get their tape. Will work on getting it upped as soon as I can.

[Arus808]

and "translated" if you can, if there are questions from the audience .^_^

My Nihongo is very limited... but I can get around Japan if need to ^_^

[boloboffin]

"Some other guy" did a critique on it? That wouldn't have been Hoffman, would it, whose "critique" Mackey eviscerated?

[R.Mackey]

But before I left the stage, I had a present for Dr. Griffin. I had printed out all 300 pages of Ryan Mackey's critique of his work, gave a brief description of the paper plus an introduction to Ryan Mackey to all assembled before handing it over to a disgruntled Griffin.


Domo arigato gozaimashita. Let me also remind you and everyone else that my e-mail is on the cover page if any follow-up is needed. It's been a while since I've gotten any traffic from my whitepaper, which I interpret as yet another sign of the utter desolation of the Truth Movement.

Oh and one more thing, when I talked to Griffin after the conference was over, he claimed that he 'read the Mackey piece' but didn't ever respond to it because some other guy did a critique of it and showed how bad it was. LOL And he said it was so big he wasn't going to be able to take it with him, so please take it back. I said no. 'Well I'm going to have to throw it away.' 'Then do that'

All the "other guy" responses I've ever heard of are treated in the latest version... It should be a pretty straightforward process for a third party observer to figure out which of us is reliable, and which is full of bologna.

Nicely done.

[dtugg]

Great work! What a piece of crap DRG is. I look forward to seeing video of this.

[ref]

Very nice work :) thanks for your effort.

[Foolmewunz]

Great going, Adversity1!

This, IMHO, is what debunking needs to evolve into.... Taking a cue from the Amazing One, himself.... Don't bother with the CIT delusional. Go after the big fish - the gun runners and profiteers in their pseudo revolution. (Jones, Jones, Barrett, Griffin, Fetzer.... Take 'em on and take 'em down.)

[ElMondoHummus]

Nice job, Adversity!

And: When you can't convince a group of people already predisposed to accepting criticisms of America, you're way off the reservation. Congrats, sir.

[terryfunk4life]

please upload this as soon as possible :)

[JamesB]

One of the truther sites posted a bunch of audio of this. You can listen to David Ray Griffin be an idiot in two languages! I listened to most of it, and will transcribe the more bizarre parts.

http://www.corbettreport.com/articles/20081103_911_truth_hits_japan.htm

On a concluding note, and this will be the first time I have stated this in public. Back in 2003, when I sent my manuscript for The New Pearl Harbor into the press, it concluded with a chapter on the original Pearl Harbor. In that chapter I described evidence that the Roosevelt administration had maneuvered Japan into attacking Pearl Harbor. And that it had done this to shock the American people into accepting the necessity of entering the war. Roosevelt had long been telling Winston Churchill
that he would enter the war in Europe as soon as it was politically possible.

But my editor advised me to eliminate this chapter saying it would be too much to ask the American people to change their interpretation of Pearl Harbor at the same time I was asking them to change their interpretation of 9/11. Deciding that she was right, I eliminated that chapter. But I mention it now, in order to indicate that, referring to 9/11 as the New Pearl Harbor has this additional meaning, that just as the White House had arranged in 1941 for the Pearl Harbor attack, in order to enter World War II, so did the White House 60 years later arrange for the 9/11 attacks, this time carrying out the attacks itself in order to initiate its so-called War on
Terror. It is time for countries around the world to withdraw their support for America's 9/11 wars and to expose the deceit of 9/11 itself.

[dudalb]

Griffith sucking up to the Japanese Radicals with his embrace of Pearl Harbor Conspiracy theories is just more proof what a wanker he is.

[moon1969]

The Rothschild family really has little power and so do the Rockefellers. Why can"t twoofers ever say that the Wallenberg family rules the world? Why does it always have to be them joos the Rothschild"s? :D

[Walter Ego]

We Want Video!

We Want Video!

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[JamesB]

And probably the most offensive excerpt from his speech:

Griffin: And I realize I didn't respond earlier to the question about the bodies. First there were bodies, there were 125 Pentagon workers who were killed. But we have no evidence that anyone from an airplane died at the Pentagon. At best we know that bodies from the airplane, and bodies from the Pentagon showed up at the Army's pathology institute. But these were transported by the FBI and the military and we know that was irregular. They went from the Pentagon to another building, and then from that building were taken to the pathology institute. So the bodies from the airplane could have been transferred to that middle building from somewhere else and to the people at the pathology institute they would assume they all came from the Pentagon


Audience member (I assume Adversity1): Quick question. Quick question.


Griffin: No, I really have to respond....


Audience member: It's about the bodies, it's about the bodies.


Griffin: I really have to move on.


Audience member: Oh yeah, because you are lying.


Griffin: (silence) The question about the squibs, those puffs of smoke...
I want one of the troofers to ask Griffin what type of machine the FBI uses to make the body parts of the victims of fake plane crashes. Chain saws? Woodchippers?

I could say more about this idiot, but I would violate the rules in regard to use of profanity.

[beachnut]

All the "other guy" responses I've ever heard of are treated in the latest version... It should be a pretty straightforward process for a third party observer to figure out which of us is reliable, and which is full of bologna.

Nicely done.

Every chance DRG gets he uses hearsay.

DRG works in the hearsay.

[GodisEnergy]

So saying Anti Zionism is anti Semetic is like being anti Islam because of Al qaeda.Or being anti mafia leads to anti Italian.
Reverse Racism .Theres many jews including me who are anti zionists and their control of american politics.

[TheRedWorm]

It always makes me wonder, GIE. If a debunker said the same things that DRG has said, would you be nearly as quick to defend him/her?

[terryfunk4life]

Any audio of adversity talking after Davids speech?

[Doctor Evil]

So saying Anti Zionism is anti Semetic is like being anti Islam because of Al qaeda.Or being anti mafia leads to anti Italian.
Reverse Racism .Theres many jews including me who are anti zionists and their control of american politics.

So tell us please. What do you think does the term Zionism mean?

Also you claim that Zionists control US politics. Care to provide evidence? Maybe you can tell us how exactly they manage to do it?