Turbofan's WTC derail of the FDR thread

[jaydeehess]

Turbofan writes;
Show me a picture of the South tower 10 minutes before 'collapse' and
notice the lack of fire.

Explain how the top section blew apart first, then the 1000 feet came
down in about 10 seconds.

Explain how less than an hour of office fires are able to reduce the entire
building account for the core and perimeter columns.

Please don't say it's a new phenomenon. Even some of the members here
don't buy that BS...yet they stick with the spoon fed lie of the OGCT.

This subject does not belong IMHO, in a thread that is a split from a discussion about the FDR from Flight 77.

So here you go TF, a thread for the separate topic of WTC 2 and how it fell.


IIRC;

The aircraft hit the south face of WTC 2 and parts of it exited the north face. It hit off center, more to the east.
It destroyed several perimeter columns on the impact side. It also destoyed or damaged several core columns on the SE area of the core. It also collapsed several floor pans in the area between the entry and exit points along the south side. The most intense fire was in the NE corner of the building likely due to a collection of debris in that area, possibly including the oxygen generators from the aircraft.

Fires raged on several floors and most prominently along the east side. Fires then moved around the building.

Damage to steel in fires occurs both when the steel is heated and expands while losing strength, causing any constrained or load bearing steel to sag or creep, and when the steel cools having already deformed during heating when contracts and thus pulls away from its connections.

The tower tilted to the SE towards the impact site then began tilting more towards the east.

When it collapsed the tower was tilting to the east side with the SE corner lower than the NE corner.

[applecorped]

No youtube video?

[Bobert]

TF,
Are you saying that the towers should have toppled over like a tree?

[T.A.M.]

Show me a picture of the South tower 10 minutes before 'collapse' and
notice the lack of fire.

Explain how the top section blew apart first, then the 1000 feet came
down in about 10 seconds.

Explain how less than an hour of office fires are able to reduce the entire
building account for the core and perimeter columns.

Please don't say it's a new phenomenon. Even some of the members here
don't buy that BS...yet they stick with the spoon fed lie of the OGCT

1. The absence of photographic or video evidence of fire at the edges or the inferno (which is what the sides of the tower essentially were), does not prove anything, or even make me in the slightest bit suspicious.

2. The top section did not "blow apart" or any such thing. As it started to fall, and met with resistance from the bottom section it did begin to break apart, as did the bottom.

3. The fires, superheated with the contents of the offices, burned without any form of suppression, on steel that was almost certainly little to non-protected. Of particularly critical note were the trusses, that had not been tested like the rest of the building, the "spray on" Fire proofing, and the unique design of the WTC1/2 complex. These trusses, losing their strength and integrity from the heat, sagged, causing inward bowing of the external columns....have we not been through this a million times.????

TAM:)

[jaydeehess]

From NISTNCSTAR1-6
- WTC 2 had 34 severed columns on the south wall (Columns 407 to 440) and 11 core columns on the south side of the core (Columns 701, 702, 801, 802, 901, 903, 1001, 1002, 1003 and 1004) and 4 exterior columns on the north wall (Columns 253, 254, 257 and 258) that were severed or heavily damaged between floors 78 to 84

- Floor slabs and framing were severed or heavily damaged in the south office floor area through the east side of the core between floors 78 to 84

- WTC 2 fireproofing damage extended from the south exterior wall, through the east side of the core, to the east and north exterior walls between Floors 78 to 84

<<snip>>

The severed core columns at the southeast corner resulted in the core leaning to the southeast. While the isolated WTC 2 core model was not stable with the structural impact damage, within the global system the core was supported by the floors and exterior walls.

The leaning of the core to the southeast contributed to the load redistribution in WTC 2, with a general pattern of increased loads on the south and east columns (core and exterior) and decreased loads on the north and west columns.



The top of the building tilted east and south as the collapse started. the east side of WTC 2 is the long span side of the floorspace between core and exterior walls and thus the more susceptible to sagging than the shorter span along the south and north sides.



So, in regards to TF's qusetioning, where's the beef?

[jaydeehess]

bump for Turbofan who was so eager to discuss this subject.

Is it because I did not supply any pictures or videos, just those words?

[WildCat]

Turbofan wasn't really interested in discussing this, he was desperately trying to change the subject from his Cubs-caliber FAIL in the FDR threads.

[jaydeehess]

Turbofan wasn't really interested in discussing this, he was desperately trying to change the subject from his Cubs-caliber FAIL in the FDR threads.

Oh no, I am sure that TF was sincere in his desire to debate this particular topic and that he will now post in this thread since the other one is now closed.

:blush:

[Comsat Angel]

Well, doing a bit of searching on Turbofan's recent activities, it would seem that he posted about a dozen times prior to 1/10/08. For the past week - nothing. Presumably not a coincidence!

[Comsat Angel]

More Membership checking - no activity from Turbo since 6/10, no posts since 2/10. I suspect he may be waiting for this thread to move off the front page and into the hinterland of page 3 or 4 ...

[cyclonic]

Turbofan writes;
Show me a picture of the South tower 10 minutes before 'collapse' and
notice the lack of fire.

Why can't you see the fire TF?

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