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Abdul Alhazred
2nd October 2008, 05:31 PM
I'd heard of Our Lady of Medjugorje before. I figured she was just like all the other Our Ladies, and didn't pay much attention.

Turns out she's very interesting after all.

Sex, lies and apparitions (http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/2189236/sex-lies-and-apparitions.thtml)
The Spectator



The Medjugorje story begins early in 1976 when a Franciscan monk in the former Yugoslavia, Father Tomislav Vlasic, starts an affair with a nun who becomes pregnant. Frightened he will be exposed as the child’s father, Father Vlasic persuades her to move away to Germany. She hopes he will honour his promise to leave the ministry and marry her. She writes a sequence of increasingly anxious letters when this does not happen, telling her former lover she is so miserable that she is praying she will die in childbirth. But he piously orders her to ‘be like Mary’ and accept her destiny in a foreign land — and never to tell a soul who the father really is.

Unfortunately for him, some of his letters fall into the hands of the woman’s landlord who, scandalised, copies them and sends them to a friend in the Vatican.

Six years later Father Vlasic is ‘spiritual leader’ of six children who say the Virgin Mary appears to them daily in Medjugorje, Bosnia-Herzegovina. But the local bishop is having none of it. The priest writes to Pope John Paul II to say that Satan is working through the bishop and to request direct intervention against him. But, worse luck, the Vatican official with copies of his love letters takes an interest in the case and sends them to the bishop in question.

Disgraced, the priest then heads for Italy where, with a new mistress, he sets up a mixed-sex religious community devoted to the apparitions and continues to party like a bad dog for the next 17 years until the Vatican official who ruined everything for him becomes Pope Benedict XVI.

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You really gotta read the whole thing to appreciate it. :D

Gord_in_Toronto
2nd October 2008, 08:03 PM
I've followed the Medjugorje phenominum for some years after meeting a Medjugorje believer and "discussing" it with him. I was never convinced and he finally fell back on "it may not be true but it's nice anyway and you can't disprove it".

The "messages from the Virgin" continue. The latest I found is:

Message of September 25, 2008 "Dear children! May your life, anew, be a decision for peace. Be joyful carriers of peace and do not forget that you live in a time of grace, in which God gives you great graces through my presence. Do not close yourselves, little children, but make good use of this time and seek the gift of peace and love for your life so that you may become witnesses to others. I bless you with my motherly blessing. Thank you for having responded to my call."


http://www.medjugorje.org/

Illustrating yet once again how banal the messages are. Over the years the various factions in the area have been hacking each other to death but the best the Mother of God (and by inference her Son and His Daddy) can do is to tell people to have nice thoughts!

A pox on them all. :mad:

Matteo Martini
2nd October 2008, 09:45 PM
I visited Medjugorje few times, talked with the doctors who made medical exams to the seers, started a website on this matter (now closed), look here:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=32400

Bikewer
3rd October 2008, 07:58 AM
I remember during the height of this nonsense a TV crew was interviewing "pilgrims". One lady was relating as to how a cross on a nearby hilltop would spontaneously spin around.
She turned from the camera to look at it and exclaimed, "There! See, it's spinning!" Of course, the cross was doing no such thing....
The madness of crowds....