Yet another France question.

[Michael Redman]

Isn't the French Army currently occupying a sovereign nation (a "former" colony), attempting to impose a government on people who don't want it?

Hypocracy? Or am I being unfair?

[Ed]

Mais non, mon ami. You forget that you are dealing with french types. They must be right.

[Roadtoad]

Originally posted by Ed
Mais non, mon ami. You forget that you are dealing with french types. They must be right.

Considering the French haven't been right once in their history, you have to wonder where they get their arrogance. Frankly, I'm to the point where I get better food and wine in Sonoma and Napa, and I don't have to put up with waiters who don't speak English. (And it's cheaper!)

Anyone else would have looked back on what they were doing wrong, and fixed the problem. France calls it "La Gloire." Go fig.

(I copied the whole thing. I still don't know how to link...)

Dr. X posted this on another thread.

The Complete Military History of France

. Gallic Wars - Lost

In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

. Hundred Years War - Mostly lost

Saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertency creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman."

. Italian Wars - Lost

France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.

. Wars of Religion - France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots

. Thirty Years War - France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

. War of Devolution - Tied.

Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpot as chapeaux.

. The Dutch War - Tied

. War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War - Lost, but claimed as a tie.

Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.

. War of the Spanish Succession- Lost

The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.

. American Revolution - In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."

. French Revolution - Won

Primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.

. The Napoleonic Wars - Lost

Temporary victories (remember the First rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

. The Franco-Prussian War - Lost

Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night

. World War I - Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States.

Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

. World War II - Lost Conquered

French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

. War in Indochina - Lost

French forces plead sickness, take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu

. Algerian Rebellion - Lost

Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non- Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of
Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.

. War on Terrorism - France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador fail after he takes revenge in a McDonald's. The question for any country silly enough to count on the French should not be "Can we count on the French?", but rather "How long until France collapses?"

Sorry, do not know the author.

--J.D.

[Flo]

Originally posted by Michael Redman
Isn't the French Army currently occupying a sovereign nation (a "former" colony), attempting to impose a government on people who don't want it?

Hypocracy? Or am I being unfair?

Not as simple as that ... France has had military presence in all its former colonies, a little like the USA have bases all around the World. The goals are mixed: a bit of aid (genie and medical troups), protection for the local governments, protection of French residents, training ...

The situation in Ivory Coast stems from the mess left by the former president Houphouët-Boigny: mostly a benign man, he was largely gaga by the end of his mandate, which left a free rein to a crowd of "entrepreneurs", bent on draining the finances of the country while they could (like selling a mostly animist country a replica of Roma's St-Peter basilica that is slowly sinking in the mud in a remote place). By the time of Houphouet's death, the country was broke and given that it was one of the richest in the area, full of immigrants from neighboring countries, who have promptly been accused by Houphouet's successors of being responsible for all evils imaginable.

The French army has been for a while the only force in a position to avoid a bloodbath, but now the rift is much too serious, especially since a religious and linguistic component has risen and old ethnic hatreds have been stirred.

I don't have much hope for the French "peace" plan (very stupid, IMO), Gbagbo is as bad as they come and the others not much better. and the situation fuels on almost the same situation as in Liberia, Sierra Leone. Bad times ahead in what was for a long time one of the most hopeful country in Western Africa.

[subgenius]

How many French sodiers does it take to defend Paris?











Don't know, its never been tried.

[Douglas]

Take a look at this exchange.

http://www.co.jyu.fi/~np/hate/FranceHate.html

The delusional arrogance of the frog is astounding.

[crackmonkey]

From what I understand, they did a hell of a job in Rwanda, too.

[DanishDynamite]

We interupt this France-bashing with a little light recycled humor...

Q: What's the difference between an American and an American bomb?
A: The bomb is smart enough to know where to find Iraq


It is said that Mahatma Ghandi was asked, "What is your opinion of American civilization?"
His reply: "I think it would be an excellent idea."


Noteworthy dates in 20th-Century American history:
1917 - When World War I began.
1918 - When the U.S. won World War I.
1941 - When World War II began.
1945 - When the U.S. won World War II.


And finally, one of the funniest American jokes:

Vietnam

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by crackmonkey
From what I understand, they did a hell of a job in Rwanda, too.

We are to blame for Rwanda also. As the United States was leaving Somalia, the Rwandan government began using their national radio as a call to action to go on an ethnic cleansing ramapage. Our exit out of Somalia emboldened them.

In those Rwandan government broadcasts they basically told the "citizens" that they had two choices:

1) Join the ethnic cleansing campaign.
2) Die

Rwanda is a classic example of why if you deploy your country's army, you have to have the balls to use it. The Rwandan government saw what happened when the US took casualties and fled Africa and it was a trigger for their genocidal activities which they knew they could pull off with impunity.

We could have sent one full division of light infantry and an air-cav regiment which was in theatre there to save those people but our country ran from an honest fight. It was a disgrace and shameful. If George Bush's father was still in office, he would have gave the US military the green light to go in there and fix that problem. Fix it the way it needed to be fixed.

JK

[aerocontrols]

Originally posted by DanishDynamite
It is said that Mahatma Ghandi was asked, "What is your opinion of American civilization?"
His reply: "I think it would be an excellent idea."


Said by whom? Some wishful-thinking European revisionist?

That barb may just have been aimed at you, my friend. ;)


Edit: For the record, I consider it flattering that some people might think that Ghandi was asked about American civilization, but I really don't think he ever was...

[ZeeGerman]

Originally posted by DanishDynamite
We interupt this France-bashing with a little light recycled humor...


Now, now DD, you're getting anti-american here. BAD!

Just because our enlightened friends across the puddle can post the same joke again and again (e.g. here (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13942) (original by Headscratcher) and here (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14283) by Dr. X and last but not least
here (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14309) by Roadtoad does not mean that they've got any sense of humor.

Schtonk

Zee

[ZeeGerman]

Originally posted by Roadtoad


Frankly, I'm to the point where I get better food and wine in Sonoma and Napa, and I don't have to put up with waiters who don't speak English. (And it's cheaper!)

.

You got to be kidding! The wineries in Napa and Sonoma do their best to imitate french wines and they are failing utterly. And I had some difficulties finding english speaking waiters in California as well:D

[Pad]

Isn't the French Army currently occupying a sovereign nation (a "former" colony), attempting to impose a government on people who don't want it? During the decolonization (1962), France committed itself to protect Ivory Coast if this country is in peril. Now it is. However Ivory Coast is not attacked by another country. So that's a complex situation.

[Flo]

Originally posted by Pad
During the decolonization (1962), France committed itself to protect Ivory Coast if this country is in peril. Now it is. However Ivory Coast is not attacked by another country. So that's a complex situation.

Euh ... France committed itself to protect Ivory Coast's pro-France regime much more than the country itself ...;)

[Flo]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


We are to blame for Rwanda also. As the United States was leaving Somalia, the Rwandan government began using their national radio as a call to action to go on an ethnic cleansing ramapage. Our exit out of Somalia emboldened them.

In those Rwandan government broadcasts they basically told the "citizens" that they had two choices:

1) Join the ethnic cleansing campaign.
2) Die

Rwanda is a classic example of why if you deploy your country's army, you have to have the balls to use it. The Rwandan government saw what happened when the US took casualties and fled Africa and it was a trigger for their genocidal activities which they knew they could pull off with impunity.

We could have sent one full division of light infantry and an air-cav regiment which was in theatre there to save those people but our country ran from an honest fight. It was a disgrace and shameful. If George Bush's father was still in office, he would have gave the US military the green light to go in there and fix that problem. Fix it the way it needed to be fixed.

JK

Nobody who knows about these terrible events thinks for one minute that the Rwandan thugs were in any way thinking about American adventures in Somalia when they embarked on their murderous rampage. Implying that shows a remarkable oversimplification on the basis of a vast ignorance of the facts and circonstances at the time.

Anyway, in the case of Rwanda, the US is not as much to blame as countries like Belgium or France, who knew first hand of the plans, did nothing to prevent them, and ran away from a necessary fight. (However, it is one thing to fight an army, another to prevent random killings by a populace going door to door with machete ...).

[Ed]

Originally posted by DanishDynamite
We interupt this France-bashing with a little light recycled humor...



It is said that Mahatma Ghandi was asked, "What is your opinion of American civilization?"
His reply: "I think it would be an excellent idea."




Wasn't that diaper wearing, dung burning. multiarmed god worshipping son of a bitch a urine drinker too?

He must be French.

And you, you tundra trotting socialist bastard. why not explain the suicide rate up there in pinko-land? I'll tell you why, after the Danes are carted around all of their life by officious burocrats, they finally realize, in an alcohol induced moment of clarity, that it is FOCKING DARK AND COLD up there. That and the ever present threat of tundra mammoth attack is often more than they can bear, so they end it.

you are French too. :eek:

[Ed]

Originally posted by Flo


Anyway, in the case of Rwanda, the US is not as much to blame as countries like Belgium or France, who knew first hand of the plans, did nothing to prevent them, and ran away from a necessary fight. (However, it is one thing to fight an army, another to prevent random killings by a populace going door to door with machete ...).

no. Are you saying the french ran away from a necessary fight? I can't believe it.

What about this latest in sophisticated French diplomacy: (from todays Times)

The French defense minister, Michele Alliot-Marie, echoed Mr. Chirac in Warsaw today, telling her hosts that "it was better to keep silent when you don't know what's going on."

[DialecticMaterialist]

I personally don't like the route French has been taking intellectually(postmodernism) and politically as of late. I also think their criticisms of the US going to war with Iraq are unwarranted and unfair. France seems to have gone over to a radical left as of late, one devoid of humanist values and rationality.



But this really does not excuse a lot of the anti-French sentiment I have seen as of late. Sounds almost racist......

and BTW Napolean was probably better then ANY US general.

[kedo1981]

” and BTW Napoleon was probably better then ANY US general.”
Now that would be an awesome RGP “Napoleon VS. Patton or Rommel “

Don’t forget that French tyranny was one of the causes of the birth of a little society who’s slogan translated roughly into English is “Death to all French, Italy Cries” or something like that any way. I’m sure Sicily had it’s share of bad guys before the French came but supposedly the MAFIA was formed as a resistance movement.

[rikzilla]

Originally posted by DialecticMaterialist
I personally don't like the route French has been taking intellectually(postmodernism) and politically as of late. I also think their criticisms of the US going to war with Iraq are unwarranted and unfair. France seems to have gone over to a radical left as of late, one devoid of humanist values and rationality.



But this really does not excuse a lot of the anti-French sentiment I have seen as of late. Sounds almost racist......

and BTW Napolean was probably better then ANY US general.

--of course Napoleon was not French though,...was he? :confused: :rolleyes:

I doubt he was "better than any US general"...General Washington was pretty good at his job....that is leading the French ;) ...... Napoleon WAS NOT by the way better than a particular English General by the title of Lord Wellesley...now was he? And we're not talking Waterloo. The English army kicked Napie's armies out of Spain before then.

Tactics man...TACTICS!!! The thin red line ALWAYS put more musket fire out than a French column could!! A lesson old Napie should have learned long before Waterloo. But he didn't. He ordered his "Invincibles" into the fight...and when they faltered in front of the thin red line it was all over.

Some General. It might be better to say that Napoleon was better than other generals who had not the sense to change their tactics once it was demonstrated they didn't work anymore. But still...not a very auspicious group of generals eh?? :p

-zilla

[Roadtoad]

Originally posted by ZeeGerman
You got to be kidding! The wineries in Napa and Sonoma do their best to imitate french wines and they are failing utterly. And I had some difficulties finding english speaking waiters in California as well:D

Uh, to those who don't live in the area, I suppose you could claim they're trying to imitate the French. But most of us have long ago figured out that Mondavi, BV, and other wineries in the area, particularly Beringer, (I know a member of the family), have less interest in imitating the French, and more of an interest in producing the finest wines available. Frankly, I'm finding we're producing better wines at lower prices in California, and without the undeserved snobbery.

And if you're having trouble finding English speaking waiters in Napa and Sonoma, perhaps you should try eating somewhere other than McDonalds and Taco Bell.:D

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Flo


Nobody who knows about these terrible events thinks for one minute that the Rwandan thugs were in any way thinking about American adventures in Somalia when they embarked on their murderous rampage. Implying that shows a remarkable oversimplification on the basis of a vast ignorance of the facts and circonstances at the time.

Anyway, in the case of Rwanda, the US is not as much to blame as countries like Belgium or France, who knew first hand of the plans, did nothing to prevent them, and ran away from a necessary fight. (However, it is one thing to fight an army, another to prevent random killings by a populace going door to door with machete ...).

Flo, you are being terribly naive about real world politics in this case.

As US forces were leaving the region the ethnic cleansing in Rwanda was being staged. It was directly related. The Rwandan genocide politicos (radical leftists) saw how easy it was to completely remove an American army from the continent of Afirca --just kill a handful of US soldiers and the leftist media and leftist pressure groups in the US would take care of the rest.

So as US troops left the region, Rwandan leftists knew they would not be back no matter what happened. It was the staging of genocide with impunity and that is exactly what happened because the American people did not have the will to stop it. It takes courage and intestinal fortitude to confront evil. Now that President Bush is in office, we now have a president with the intestinal fortitude to confront evil, rather than run from it.

JK

[ZeeGerman]

Originally posted by Roadtoad


Uh, to those who don't live in the area, I suppose you could claim they're trying to imitate the French. But most of us have long ago figured out that Mondavi, BV, and other wineries in the area, particularly Beringer, (I know a member of the family), have less interest in imitating the French, and more of an interest in producing the finest wines available. Frankly, I'm finding we're producing better wines at lower prices in California, and without the undeserved snobbery.

And if you're having trouble finding English speaking waiters in Napa and Sonoma, perhaps you should try eating somewhere other than McDonalds and Taco Bell.:D

Well, I woudln't call the guys who hand out the food ( I find it hard to call it that) at Taco Bells and McDonalds waiters. I lived in the area (Berkeley - hear that JK! leftist, leftist...) for about a year, so I know (sort of) what I'm talking about. I like the Zinfandel which is (to my knowledge) not grown in France but for the rest, especially the white wines I'm still 100% with the french (or italian) wines. But I admit, the gap between californian and french wine is not as wide as the gorge between american and german beer ;)

But I fear a discussion about wine and other culinary aspects is waisted in this thread. :D

Zee

[Renfield]

Originally posted by Roadtoad


Considering the French haven't been right once in their history, you have to wonder where they get their arrogance. Frankly, I'm to the point where I get better food and wine in Sonoma and Napa, and I don't have to put up with waiters who don't speak English. (And it's cheaper!)


--J.D.

No kidding. How dare those French sissy boys disagree with us. How arrogant of them.

Don't they realize the United States is always right?

[Flo]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Flo, you are being terribly naive about real world politics in this case.

As US forces were leaving the region the ethnic cleansing in Rwanda was being staged. It was directly related. The Rwandan genocide politicos (radical leftists) saw how easy it was to completely remove an American army from the continent of Afirca --just kill a handful of US soldiers and the leftist media and leftist pressure groups in the US would take care of the rest.

So as US troops left the region, Rwandan leftists knew they would not be back no matter what happened. It was the staging of genocide with impunity and that is exactly what happened because the American people did not have the will to stop it. It takes courage and intestinal fortitude to confront evil. Now that President Bush is in office, we now have a president with the intestinal fortitude to confront evil, rather than run from it.

JK

I'm always amused at your definition of "radical leftists" ... and at your total ignorance of African internal politics (not that you're alone here, but your particular vision of things is, shall we say, "interesting"). If the Rwandan thugs were "leftists", so were the first Ming emperor and Hitler. Anyway, they couldn't care less and mostly didn't know a thing about the events in Somalia. The only thing that could have stopped them would have been the end of financial and political support from France, Belgium, maybe a few other countries.

The Rwandan tragedy is what happens when an overpopulated country is strangled in a land too small, with no immigration outlet, and cultural/social/ethnic divides are egged up. At this stage, even the Martians couldn't have avoided a certain amount of carnage ...

[Flo]

Originally posted by DialecticMaterialist
I personally don't like the route French has been taking intellectually(postmodernism) and politically as of late. I also think their criticisms of the US going to war with Iraq are unwarranted and unfair. France seems to have gone over to a radical left as of late, one devoid of humanist values and rationality.



But this really does not excuse a lot of the anti-French sentiment I have seen as of late. Sounds almost racist......

and BTW Napolean was probably better then ANY US general.


Hmmm, let's see: anti-French sentiments are almost racists, but branding the French as unfair, devoid of humanist values and rationality is OK ... did I miss something here ? ;)


And BTW, most French think Napoleon was a horrible tyran responsible for a lot of evils in Europe. I don't remember my history professors teaching he was to be unconditionally admired.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Flo


I'm always amused at your definition of "radical leftists" ... and at your total ignorance of African internal politics (not that you're alone here, but your particular vision of things is, shall we say, "interesting"). If the Rwandan thugs were "leftists", so were the first Ming emperor and Hitler. Anyway, they couldn't care less and mostly didn't know a thing about the events in Somalia. The only thing that could have stopped them would have been the end of financial and political support from France, Belgium, maybe a few other countries.

The Rwandan tragedy is what happens when an overpopulated country is strangled in a land too small, with no immigration outlet, and cultural/social/ethnic divides are egged up. At this stage, even the Martians couldn't have avoided a certain amount of carnage ...

The leftist Rwandan government (a little to the right of France's) genocided internally when they saw US troops flee Somalia after taking a handful of casualties.

The US government knew what was going on over there. Pictures of the genocide graced American television as it occurred. The UN collectively ignored it and it was a disgrace.

If you have machete wielding mobs numbering in the hundreds of thousands moving across the countryside hacking millions of people to death, every weapon thought of to stop them would have been appropriate (crew-served weapons, flame-throwers, helicopter gunships come to mind).

If I was in charge of the military when that happened, Rwanda would be a capitalist country now with no internal machete threat.

JK

[Jon_in_london]

Originally posted by rikzilla

I doubt he was "better than any US general"...General Washington was pretty good at his job....that is leading the French ;) ......
-zilla


Haha! You is funny.

Originally posted by rikzilla


Tactics man...TACTICS!!! The thin red line ALWAYS put more musket fire out than a French column could!! A lesson old Napie should have learned long before Waterloo. But he didn't. He ordered his "Invincibles" into the fight...and when they faltered in front of the thin red line it was all over.
-zilla

Actually the column was an offensive tactic used when advancing towards the enemy. The column presented a somewhat smaller target to the enemy- you cant fire a musket on the march anyway.
Standard British tactics of squares and lines were defensive-aimed at letting the enemy batter himself sensless before moving in for the kill.

Napoleon greatest asset was his sense of timing- something he had lost by waterloo.

Anyone here like toasted bacon&banana sandwiches?

[Flo]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


The leftist Rwandan government (a little to the right of France's) genocided internally when they saw US troops flee Somalia after taking a handful of casualties.

The US government knew what was going on over there. Pictures of the genocide graced American television as it occurred. The UN collectively ignored it and it was a disgrace.

If you have machete wielding mobs numbering in the hundreds of thousands moving across the countryside hacking millions of people to death, every weapon thought of to stop them would have been appropriate (crew-served weapons, flame-throwers, helicopter gunships come to mind).

If I was in charge of the military when that happened, Rwanda would be a capitalist country now with no internal machete threat.

JK

Your "romantic" vision of the way events unfolded in Rwanda is refreshing :rolleyes:

And if YOU had been in charge at the time, given your usual military options, wouldn't Rwanda be rather a vitrified desert than any kind of country at all ? :D

[Shane Costello]

Originally posted by aerocontrols:
Said by whom? Some wishful-thinking European revisionist?

That barb may just have been aimed at you, my friend. ;)

Actually it was Western Civilization Gandhi was getting at.

www.ag.wastholm.net/aphorism/A-1483

http://penguinppc.org/~hollis/personal/quotes.shtml

www.princeton.edu/~ferguson/adw/humor/quotes.shtml

[Drooper]

Originally posted by ZeeGerman

But I fear a discussion about wine and other culinary aspects is waisted in this thread. :D

Zee

pass the Liebraumilch :D

[ZeeGerman]

Originally posted by Drooper


pass the Liebraumilch :D

LOL
yeah I pass when it comes to Liebfrauenmilch:)

Makes good windscreen wiper fluid though :)

[aerocontrols]

Originally posted by Shane Costello
Actually it was Western Civilization Gandhi was getting at.


I know. I'm still somewhat flattered that DD thinks/thought that Gandhi was asked about American civilization.

Or maybe he thinks Western Civilization is American. ;)

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Flo



The Rwandan tragedy is what happens when an overpopulated country is strangled in a land too small, with no immigration outlet, and cultural/social/ethnic divides are egged up. At this stage, even the Martians couldn't have avoided a certain amount of carnage ...

i thought much of the problems with africa were due to the arbitrary lines the colonial powers drew on the maps to define their conquests. these had little to do with ethnic mix, and resulted in 'countries' that had no basis in the reality of the people living in them. And the US had no part in this at all, AFAIK.

[Flo]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


i thought much of the problems with africa were due to the arbitrary lines the colonial powers drew on the maps to define their conquests. these had little to do with ethnic mix, and resulted in 'countries' that had no basis in the reality of the people living in them. And the US had no part in this at all, AFAIK.

All true. This means lots of communication problems (some countries counting as much as 10 different languages), and assorted frictions. Add to that the fact that countries like Rwanda and Burundi have no access to the sea, a country as big as Zaïre only a tiny one (and is located over 3 climatic zones), etc ... and you have the perfect recipe for disaster.

[Roadtoad]

Originally posted by ZeeGerman


Well, I woudln't call the guys who hand out the food ( I find it hard to call it that) at Taco Bells and McDonalds waiters. I lived in the area (Berkeley - hear that JK! leftist, leftist...) for about a year, so I know (sort of) what I'm talking about. I like the Zinfandel which is (to my knowledge) not grown in France but for the rest, especially the white wines I'm still 100% with the french (or italian) wines. But I admit, the gap between californian and french wine is not as wide as the gorge between american and german beer ;)

But I fear a discussion about wine and other culinary aspects is waisted in this thread. :D

Zee

I like Berkeley. Nice town. There's a blues club I keep wanting to go to; they get some of the best act anywhere.

Zee, come on, man! You should have realized there was NOTHING redeemable in Budweiser! :D

Have to agree with what was said earlier. How are we defining "leftist" around here? And is it a valid definition?

[DanishDynamite]

aerocontrols:Said by whom? Some wishful-thinking European revisionist? Could be, but I doubt it. I lifted those jokes off an American website.
That barb may just have been aimed at you, my friend. ;) :)
Edit: For the record, I consider it flattering that some people might think that Ghandi was asked about American civilization, but I really don't think he ever was...Apparently not, as the links later in this thread would indicate.

I find it a bit curious that this particular joke is the only one that's been singled out (by several Americaphiles) for dismemberment. Could it be that it hit a soft spot? ;)

ZeeGerman:Now, now DD, you're getting anti-american here. BAD! DD bows his head in shame and shuffles off to stand in his usual corner.

EdGod:Wasn't that diaper wearing, dung burning. multiarmed god worshipping son of a bitch a urine drinker too? He was pure evil, man.
He must be French. At least. Probably part American to boot.
And you, you tundra trotting socialist bastard. why not explain the suicide rate up there in pinko-land? I'll tell you why, after the Danes are carted around all of their life by officious burocrats, they finally realize, in an alcohol induced moment of clarity, that it is FOCKING DARK AND COLD up there. That and the ever present threat of tundra mammoth attack is often more than they can bear, so they end it. The Agur from Connecticut scores again! Ed baby, you really have to post more. Stop wasting your time IRL.
you are French too. :eek: Only when I kiss. :D

aerocontrols:I know. I'm still somewhat flattered that DD thinks/thought that Gandhi was asked about American civilization.As I said, the joke was lifted from a random website.
Or maybe he thinks Western Civilization is American. ;) :eek: ;)