Racist Environmental Rally?

[Crundy]

I just noticed this thread on a UK gardening newsgroup, read through the message and note how it starts off as as a protest against destruction of countryside and quickly turns into an 'angry' hate campaign about minorities:

This weekend, beginning 4 Oct 08, over 800 people, from all sections
of the County, far and wide, gathered in the torrential rain on the
high ground overlooking Brockenhurst, to protest against Prestcotts
unelected New Forest National Parks Authority's proposals to kill
rural life and infest it with immigrants from the cities and other
enforced swamps of the globe.

If it had not been for the atrocious weather [this Meet was held on
open forest land] it is estimated that at least five times this number
would have joined the protest. Nevertheless, the mood was 'furious' to
say the least. Amongst the public comments made to the Media were 'If
the Government and Authority does not take due warning we will
escalate the continuing protests and demonstrations into a full-
blooded nationwide Uprising'......'We have had enough of the
government interfering with English culture and way of life, this is
nothing compared to what comes next if they dont back off'......'We,
the Commoners and everyone concerned about the persistent policy of
politicians to destroy our country and culture, no longer recognise
the NF National Parks Authority'....'We will set up our own
independent Authority, elected by the people, to run and administer
our affairs'......'This protest is to be extended throughout the
nation and we will bring down the government by any means at our
disposal'. Their were many other cries of 'Death to Socialism..',
'Deport Prestcott...', 'England for the English...'. The public
exasperation and utter anger of the people was demonstrated for
several hours - at last!

As stated in the former thread, linked above, the next [main] Demo
will be held on Sunday 12 Oct in the Village Hall from 10am to 4 pm.
It will also be attended by at least two MPs, NFNPA officials and
County, District and Parish Coucillors [who should bring Minders!].
Formal Representatives from other parts of ther nation will also be
there. It is suggested that the Opposition bring megaphones and other
devices with them! They will listen to One Loud Voice! All SF members
and others are cordially invited to join us and participate in the
'expressions' of anger and frustration which have long been suppressed
by the insidious Dictators of Britain.

This is the Beginning Comrades, but it certainly will not be the End,
except for the Government and other meddlers in the culture of the
British People. Hail to victory because there is no alternative!

You had better listen, Messrs Brown, Cameron, Clegg & Co, because
Westminster is only 1 hr 20 mins away from the railway station you
have in mind with which to diversify and kill the heart of England!


800 were counted standing in the torrential rain. Many more were
sheltering. Others didnt know, for the NPA published its plan without
warning, giving us only 3 weeks to organise 'objections'. This coming
Sunday, 12 Oct [10.00 - 16.00], it will be in the Village Hall and its
surround when many more are expected. MPs and other beaurocrats will
be present, if they have the guts when they see what is gunning for
them. Other 'events' are in the pipeline. We have been given very
little time!

Its been mentioned that not many seem interested. Well, they should be
because four small 'service' villages are going to get up to 10,000
immigrants for a start and the New Forest will disappear.But, EVERY
Park's Authority in Britain is going to suffer the same fate soon! The
New Forest has been chosen to 'test the water', so its even more
important to demolish this olan.

If you dont live in a rural area, dont think you will get away with it
- there wont be any rural areas, there will be thousands of
'dwellings', including more mosques, built between the countryside and
cities and Green Belt land will not exist. We have to stop the rural
invasion and take the fight to the black towns and cities.

A muslim leader said last week 'we will conquer Britain'! They will if
we dont act decisively now. This HAS to be the start and we [all of
us] have to grab, probably the one and only chance left, to win back
Britain.

At least 50,000 Foresters are taking that chance now. Join them
nationwide in separate demonstrations, wherever you live, write to
your newspapers, tell your friends,....or take the gruesome
consequences.

This is not melodrama, nor in any way a 'stunt'. Thousands of very
angry people are on ther march and they are utterly determined to save
their culture and their way of life. Prestcotts NPA have stated
categorically in writing that they will chang our culture and lives.
They must learn that we mean otherwise!


http://www.newforestnpa.gov.uk/index/aboutus/consultations/national_park_plan/park_plan_contents.htm

Is there really any point replying to idiots like this?

[Sir Robin Goodfellow]

I thought the immigrants were content at stealing jobs, but now they want to steal the forests too? It's political correctness run amok, I tells ya.

[Skeptic]

If it had not been for the atrocious weather [this Meet was held on
open forest land] it is estimated that at least five times this number
would have joined the protest. Nevertheless, the mood was 'furious' to
say the least. Amongst the public comments made to the Media were 'If
the Government and Authority does not take due warning we will
escalate the continuing protests and demonstrations into a full-
blooded nationwide Uprising'.

...unless it rains, of course.

[Twiler]

I dream of a world where cries of 'Vague tribal group for the same vague tribal group!' are met with disinterested silence.

Perhaps if football was televised all year around?

[KingMerv00]

...unless it rains, of course.

Damn those BLACK clouds.

[dudalb]

This is the Beginning Comrades, but it certainly will not be the End,
except for the Government and other meddlers in the culture of the
British People. Hail to victory because there is no alternative!

He swiped the last line from Joseph Goebbels.
I have no doubt that the British Park Service has probably been a lot less sensitive then it should to the people who actually live near the park,heaven Knows the US Park Service has. But to make this a racial issues was stupid,stupid,stupid,and wrong,wrong,wrong, and will wreck any valid points the prostestors had.

[TragicMonkey]

I understand from watching television that Britain has some serious problems with some of its ethnic minority groups. Particularly the Daleks, which from the name I assume come from India. Perhaps if the British did a better job at reaching out to other cultures, they would get along better. What harm could it do to welcome Daleks into your neighborhood? I'm sure they could teach much about their interesting culture. In conclusion, I see a beautiful vision of the future where English and Scottish and Dalek are intermarried and raising children together in the noble traditions of all their cultures.

[Cuddles]

I understand from watching television that Britain has some serious problems with some of its ethnic minority groups. Particularly the Daleks, which from the name I assume come from India. Perhaps if the British did a better job at reaching out to other cultures, they would get along better. What harm could it do to welcome Daleks into your neighborhood? I'm sure they could teach much about their interesting culture. In conclusion, I see a beautiful vision of the future where English and Scottish and Dalek are intermarried and raising children together in the noble traditions of all their cultures.

English and Scottish intermarrying? Now you're just being silly.

[dudalb]

There is a joke in England that goes:
"Finding out that your sister married a Black or an Indian is no big thing. But finding out she married an Irishman.....that is really serious.".

[tyr_13]

My great-grandfather had a similar one about Sicilians and Italians, which is funny because that happened in our family.

The other one I heard was, "Hey Jim, Frank is buggering a black woman!"

"What? I can't believe Frank would date a black girl."

"No, they aren't dating, just having sex."

"Oh, well that's all good then."

Those jokes are only funny because some people are that stupid.

[Safe-Keeper]

we will escalate the continuing protests and demonstrations into a full-blooded nationwide Uprising'....unless it rains, of course.:D

[TragicMonkey]

There is a joke in England that goes:
"Finding out that your sister married a Black or an Indian is no big thing. But finding out she married an Irishman.....that is really serious.".

There's a similar joke in Kim Newman's series where Dracula marries Queen Victoria and turns her into a vampire. Apparently some of her subjects objected to the marriage because he's Catholic.

[Eskarina]

If it had not been for the atrocious weather [this Meet was held on
open forest land] it is estimated that at least five times this number
would have joined the protest.

And these sissies want to preserve English culture and horticulture?

I don't think the whole Dorothy Parker quote is warranted here.

[Skeptic]

In the 1960s, revolutionaries were willing to fight for justice and equality until the evil capitalistic opressive system collapses under its own dead weight -- or dad stops sending them money, whichever comes first.

Now, they're willing to fight for a white, christian Britian until every last of the primitive foreigners leaves the spectred isle -- or it rains.

Some things never change.

[Skeptic]

And these sissies want to preserve English culture and horticulture?

I don't think the whole Dorothy Parker quote is warranted here.

Oh, I dunno. They seem to be a perfect example of "horticulture" in Ms. Parker's sense...

[CapelDodger]

There is a joke in England that goes:
"Finding out that your sister married a Black or an Indian is no big thing. But finding out she married an Irishman.....that is really serious.".

I spent many years in England, and I never heard it.

I recall hearing "I'd rather be dead than Irish", but that was from a guy who'd done two tours in NI and regarded both sides with a deep and abiding loathing. That was thirty years ago, and I'm sure he still does.

Anyhow, I don't know about these New Forest guys but for real in-bred xenophobic weirdness try the Forest of Dean.

[CapelDodger]

I understand from watching television that Britain has some serious problems with some of its ethnic minority groups. Particularly the Daleks, which from the name I assume come from India.

:D

What harm could it do to welcome Daleks into your neighborhood?

And who better if you have a rat or cockroach problem?

[TragicMonkey]

And who better if you have a rat or cockroach problem?

Renfield.

[dudalb]

Renfield.


"The Blood Is The Life, Mr Renfield".

I love Francis Coppola's "Bram Stoker's Dracula". Coppola does it as a Victorian Melodrama..which is exactly what "Dracula" is.

[Alareth]

Those Daleks are no good I tell you and I wouldn't have one in my house let alone my country if I had a choice.

[TragicMonkey]

Those Daleks are no good I tell you and I wouldn't have one in my house let alone my country if I had a choice.

You are just ignorant of the splendid Dalek culture. You should visit Dalektown in the nearest large city. Experience their interesting cuisine. Try on Dalek clothes. Play Dalek games, and listen to the Dalek music. Maybe one day you will wind up taking a vacation to Skaro to play on the beaches with your half-Dalek grandchildren. When you look into the glowing blue eye of your grandson Davros, or dance with your granddaughter Exterminella at her wedding, you will understand that it's good for everyone to get along.

[sophia8]

This BBC report (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7652320.stm) shows the meeting was actually organised by a group of horse owners and residents protesting against proposed plans that would affect them. Their website (http://forestuprising.org.uk/) doesn't look in the least bit racist, doesn't mention new towns or immigrants and concentrates on proposed new planning laws that sound highly restrictive.
However, some bright spark advertised the meeting on Stormfront, claiming that the real plan was to bulldoze bits of the Forest and build a load of new towns for immigrants. There's nothing like that in the actual plans, of course.

[CapelDodger]

Renfield.

On a short rein.

[CapelDodger]

Those Daleks are no good I tell you and I wouldn't have one in my house let alone my country if I had a choice.

That's harsh. They're not untouchable, you know, they have feelings. True, they don't show it much, but deep down ...

[CapelDodger]

However, some bright spark advertised the meeting on Stormfront, claiming that the real plan was to bulldoze bits of the Forest and build a load of new towns for immigrants. There's nothing like that in the actual plans, of course.

Thanks, that makes sense of it. The BNP (our most recent neo-Nazi excrescence) has been selling secret gummint plans for new immigunt towns to white trash for some years now. It's not in their accredited publications, of course, they're trying to present as guys in suits, but the Stormfront connection lays it all bare.

[Skeptic]

Thanks, Sophia. Well, that certainly explains a lot. I too was wondering why on earth the white trash power folks would be so interested in the national parks. I guess their next move is to go into chess clubs and beat up anybody who wins with the black pieces.

[Whiplash]

I dream of a world where cries of 'Vague tribal group for the same vague tribal group!' are met with disinterested silence.

Perhaps if football was televised all year around?

I think Reagan was onto something with his thoughts of us all coming together in the face of an alien invasion.

However, in the long run, even that wouldn't matter. Go forward thousands of years and we are part of an interagalactic community.. and we'll be obsessing over being human with all these other dirty species around us, and wanting to be with our own "kind".

[CapelDodger]

Thanks, Sophia. Well, that certainly explains a lot. I too was wondering why on earth the white trash power folks would be so interested in the national parks. I guess their next move is to go into chess clubs and beat up anybody who wins with the black pieces.

:D

BNP = British National Parks :).