Why do people hate Hillary Clinton so much?

[Tmy]

What awful thing has she ever done? There seems to be this hard core group of Hillary haters. I think itd because shes a strong outspoken woman, and that bugs the hell out of many right wingers.

[Supercharts]

Latest poll testing Hillary against the Dem field...

H. Clinton 43%
Clark 10
Lieberman 8
Gephardt 8
Kerry 7
Dean 7
Edwards 5
Sharpton 1
Braun 1
Kucinich 1
Undec. 10

--Source: QUINNIPIAC UNIVERSITY, conducted 10/23-27; 403 regis. Dems nationwide; margin of error of +/- 4.9%...

from:
http://www.drudgereport.com/

[hgc]

She's just an easy target, by dint of that certain something intangible in her personality. Like Dan Quayle, but not extra stupid.

[c0rbin]

She's for Universal Health Care, no?

For some, that's worse than being gay.

[Tony]

She's a quasi-fascist authoritarian.

[Furious]

A varitety of reasons, most of them irrational. I'll only highlight a few.

There was a big deal made out of the "we are the president" comment. She hadn't been elected president, Bill had. But the perception was that she was making a huge power play in politics from an unelected position. She has a lot of influence in the Democratic party simply for being married to Bill, so the feeling among Hillary haters is that she has a lot of undeserved clout.

Also, being a blatant political oppurtunist by buying a house in New York when it was fairly clear she could get elected to the Senate in that state. This oppurtunism is not at all unique to her or even Democrats, but when you are looking for a figurehead to bash, this will make you an easy target, hypocrisy be damned.

Sticking by her man for political points was also seen as oppurtunistic. She was not very popular even among a lot of Democrats until the affair became known.

A lot of conservatives hated the Clinton era for a variety of reasons like the rabid loyalty among Democrats in the face of some dubious personal activities. There is a very justified fear of a return to that era because Hillary is still in the politcal spotlight and as evidenced by the poll above, still very popular among Democrats.

To those that hate Leftist/Democratic philosophies, she embodies (whether that's a fair assessment or not) all of those principles, and so is the most convenient target to attack. To give some perspective, Bush(again, fair assessment or not) is the embodiment of those that fear the Right/Republicans.

When you want to make a change, people need a group or someone to hold up as an example of what is evil. Since the Democratic candidates haven't weeded out a particular player yet for Democrats to get behind or for anti-left people to effectively bash, Hillary is the "best" choice for now.

[c0rbin]

She's a quasi-fascist authoritarian.

She's a "kind of reactionary who expects absolute obedience"?

What do you mean?

I am not a Clinton advocat, just curious.

[Tony]

Originally posted by c0rbin


What do you mean?




She wants to sacrifice individual rights for the benefit of "society" and she is willing to stoop to any low to achieve her goals.

[Furious]

Originally posted by Tony



She wants to sacrifice individual rights for the benefit of "society" and she is willing to stoop to any low to achieve her goals.

Be more specific. Every politician in some form or another wants to sacrifice individual rights for the benefit of society, they just disagree on the amounts of sacrifice and which particular rights. ;)

[clk]

Most conservatives hate the Clintons because they were so successful. Look at the unemployment chart from 1988 to 2003. You will notice that unemployment went up during Bush Sr.'s presidency, but as soon as Clinton stepped in, it went down for 8 straight years. When Shrub came in, it peaked again, and quite quickly. Clinton was also successful when dealing with foreign policy. He like to negotiate...remember when he sat down at Camp David and tried to negoitate a treaty? Clinton also took the greatest deficit in the history of the country and turned it into the biggest surplus. Shurb turned the greatest surplus into a huge deficit in a matter of months. That's why Republicans hate Clinton. They know that their policies simply don't work, and hate it when the opposition succeeds. Notice what Tony said: "She's a quasi-fascist authoritarian." What the hell does that mean? Any examples? Or are you just another Jedi Knight? Clinton-haters like throwing little phrases like that around to scare people, but they never give examples, and they overlook all the good that the Clintons have done. They like to say that Bill was corrupt and immoral because he got a BJ, but atleast Bill didn't blame the BJ on somebody else. 9/11 intelligence is screwed up...so Shrub blames FBI. Someone leaks a CIA agent's name...Shrub blames somebody else. The White House hangs a banner that says "Mission Accomplished", but Shrub blames the Navy. How sad.

[Tmy]

Originally posted by Furious


Also, being a blatant political oppurtunist by buying a house in New York when it was fairly clear she could get elected to the Senate in that state. This oppurtunism is not at all unique to her or even Democrats, but when you are looking for a figurehead to bash, this will make you an easy target, hypocrisy be damned.
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I think the Bush family fits this better. Where are the Bushs from anyway??? GW ran Texas, Jeb in Florida, Grampa Prescott was a Conn. Senator right??? And they spend their time at the family compound in Maine????

[Furious]

Originally posted by Tmy


I think the Bush family fits this better. Where are the Bushs from anyway??? GW ran Texas, Jeb in Florida, Grampa Prescott was a Conn. Senator right??? And they spend their time at the family compound in Maine????

That was partially my point. Hillary hasn't really done anything more oppotunistic than any other politician, but if you emphasize it enough, people are dumb enough to think that makes she's somewhat unique in doing it.

G.W. Bush was also blatantly oppurtunistic in winning the governorship of Texas. I highly doubt some random politician with an alcoholic background who spent significant amounts of time growing up outside Texas and graduating with mediocre grades from an Ivy League school would normally have much of a chance at a governor's post in Texas. If his dad used to be a Republican president of the United States though, things change.

Politics is very much the game of emphazising what you want to the extreme in order to achieve your political aims. It knows no party lines.

[clk]

Originally posted by Furious




G.W. Bush was also blatantly oppurtunistic in winning the governorship of Texas. I highly doubt some random politician with an alcoholic background who spent significant amounts of time growing up outside Texas and graduating with mediocre grades from an Ivy League school would normally have much of a chance at a governor's post in Texas. If his dad used to be a Republican president of the United States though, things change.



Bush won Texas because there are alot of Texans, and most of them are stupid. No matter what Bush does in the following year (even if it really hurts this country) he will still win Texas in the next election. I'm starting to think Californians are pretty stupid too. I mean, Arnold?? Come on!

[Charles Livingston]

Originally posted by clk
Most conservatives hate the Clintons because they were so successful. Look at the unemployment chart from 1988 to 2003. You will notice that unemployment went up during Bush Sr.'s presidency, but as soon as Clinton stepped in, it went down for 8 straight years. When Shrub came in, it peaked again, and quite quickly. Clinton was also successful when dealing with foreign policy. He like to negotiate...remember when he sat down at Camp David and tried to negoitate a treaty? Clinton also took the greatest deficit in the history of the country and turned it into the biggest surplus. Shurb turned the greatest surplus into a huge deficit in a matter of months. That's why Republicans hate Clinton. They know that their policies simply don't work, and hate it when the opposition succeeds. Notice what Tony said: "She's a quasi-fascist authoritarian." What the hell does that mean? Any examples? Or are you just another Jedi Knight? Clinton-haters like throwing little phrases like that around to scare people, but they never give examples, and they overlook all the good that the Clintons have done. They like to say that Bill was corrupt and immoral because he got a BJ, but atleast Bill didn't blame the BJ on somebody else. 9/11 intelligence is screwed up...so Shrub blames FBI. Someone leaks a CIA agent's name...Shrub blames somebody else. The White House hangs a banner that says "Mission Accomplished", but Shrub blames the Navy. How sad.

Like a lot of other people, I believe the beginning of your post assumes that the results of economic policies/trends follow those policies/trends instantaneously or at least rather quickly. Often, what is happening now in our economy is the result of what was being done years before.

[Charles Livingston]

Originally posted by clk


Bush won Texas because there are alot of Texans, and most of them are stupid. No matter what Bush does in the following year (even if it really hurts this country) he will still win Texas in the next election. I'm starting to think Californians are pretty stupid too. I mean, Arnold?? Come on!

There doesnt seem to be any partisan thinking coming from your posts (in this thread)! Geez.

[Tony]

Originally posted by clk


Bush won Texas because there are alot of Texans, and most of them are stupid. No matter what Bush does in the following year (even if it really hurts this country) he will still win Texas in the next election. I'm starting to think Californians are pretty stupid too. I mean, Arnold?? Come on!

:dl:

You're just a partisan cry-baby, idiots like you are a dime a dozen.

[Tony]

Originally posted by Furious


Be more specific. Every politician in some form or another wants to sacrifice individual rights for the benefit of society, they just disagree on the amounts of sacrifice and which particular rights. ;)


I guess that is why I tend to loath most politicians. But Hillary stands out as particularly extreme, deceitful and un-American with all the rhetoric about "we need to stop thinking of the individual". Furthermore, her stance on taxes and gun rights are completely unacceptable.

[Tmy]

And shes a GIRL!!!!!! Cooties!!! Cooties!!!!!

[Scott]

I think itd because shes a strong outspoken woman, and that bugs the hell out of many right wingers.A stong outspoken woman doesn't scare rightwingers. Someone in power who is a pure political oportunist and only does things based on how they help her or her husband and that wants:

More of their money
All of their guns
To tell you how to raise your kids
To make your thoughts illegal
To nationalize helthcare (if we think this is such a great idea, why do we complain about medicare?)

Among too many other things to list (like making false charges against innocent hard working Americans so it won't look so bad when she fires them, or aquiring the FBI files of 900 republicans) is what bugs us right-wingers.

He like to negotiate...remember when he sat down at Camp David and tried to negoitate a treaty? Yep, and it just made the Pal/Israel conflict worse.

Did he nogotiate something good that teh rest of teh world missed? Maybe like NK getting rid of their nukes?

They know that their policies simply don't work,Let me get theis straight Clinton gets credit for the economic boom that provably started under Reagan, but Bush takes the blame for a recession that provably started under Clinton.

Today's report shows the economy growing at a rate better than any time since 1984.

The NY Times is even crediting the Bush policies as turning the economic tide--including the tax cut.

Who's policys don't work?

Clinton-haters like throwing little phrases like that around to scare people, but they never give examples, and they overlook all the good that the Clintons have done.The vast majority of Clinton's "good" was forced on him by a republican house.

They like to say that Bill was corrupt and immoral because he got a BJ, but atleast Bill didn't blame the BJ on somebody else.No, we say he was corrupt and immoral because he was corrupt and immoral. He just lied to fix a civil rights lawsuit.

9/11 intelligence is screwed up...so Shrub blames FBI.Less than 9 months into his presidency, the US gets whacked by terrorists. Who's FBI did Bush inherit?

Clinton had the FBI for 8 years prior. It is said the attacks were being planned for 5 years prior.

Now Clinton says "I tried to warn him."

Can you believe anything Bill says?

Where are the Bushs from anyway??? GW ran Texas, Jeb in Florida, Grampa Prescott was a Conn. Senator right??? And they spend their time at the family compound in Maine????Let's see, Hillary buys a house in NY soley to run for the senate...

GW born and raised and lives in Texas for years and is elected Gov.

Jeb lives in FL for years and is elected gov.

Who cares where the Bushes vacation. You don't care where the Clinton's vacation, even when it costs you out the wazoo to pay for it.

The NY house is the first time a taxpayer hasn't paid the Clinton's rent. Oops, my bad we are paying their rent. Seems they charge the Secret Service to rent an occupancy on the Clinton Estate that--and I'm sure this is a coincidence--is the exact amount of the payment on that estate...

G.W. Bush was also blatantly oppurtunistic in winning the governorship of Texas.Really? How? He walked over Ann Richards, who was one of the most popular governors the state has ever had.

I highly doubt some random politician with an alcoholic background who spent significant amounts of time growing up outside Texas and graduating with mediocre grades from an Ivy League school would normally have much of a chance at a governor's post in Texas.Why would you doubt that? One was VP before Bush was governor.

Bush won Texas because there are alot of Texans, and most of them are stupid.Dang, slick, you sure are bitter.

I'm starting to think Californians are pretty stupid too. I mean, Arnold?? Come on!What about Gray Davis. Look what he did to their economy. And it was headed that way before he was re-elected (Democrat Economics 101). You didn't think Californians were stupid for electing him?

[clk]

Originally posted by Tony


:dl:

You're just a partisan cry-baby, idiots like you are a dime a dozen.

There goes my irony meter! Anyone know where I can buy a new one?

[Tony]

Originally posted by clk


There goes my irony meter! Anyone know where I can buy a new one?

Irony? What irony? You have no clue of what you speak.

[clk]

Originally posted by Scott

Let me get theis straight Clinton gets credit for the economic boom that provably started under Reagan, but Bush takes the blame for a recession that provably started under Clinton.


So the economic boom of the 90s was created by Reagan? And this current recession is all Clinton's fault? I won't argue that Bush inherited a bad economy from Clinton, but I will argue that Bush stalled its recovery and that his tax cuts hurt this country.


The vast majority of Clinton's "good" was forced on him by a republican house.


LOL!


No, we say he was corrupt and immoral because he was corrupt and immoral. He just lied to fix a civil rights lawsuit.

Would you say that Bush is more or less corrupt than Clinton? What do you think of the Bush-Ken Lay connection?


Less than 9 months into his presidency, the US gets whacked by terrorists. Who's FBI did Bush inherit?


Bush was comfortable with being president a few months after being elected. Why else did he go on a one month vacation before 9/11 if he wasn't acquainted with his job? Bush had 9 months to go after Bin Laden, but he didn't.


What about Gray Davis. Look what he did to their economy. And it was headed that way before he was re-elected (Democrat Economics 101). You didn't think Californians were stupid for electing him?

I'm not arguing that Gray Davis was a good governor. However, if I was faced with the choice of voting for Davis or voting for Arnold, then I would not vote at all. Is it too much to ask for a qualified politician from the Republican party?

[American]

Originally posted by Tmy
I think itd because shes a strong outspoken woman, and that bugs the hell out of many right wingers.


Nay. Policy, not personal.

Liberals hate Rush because he's fat, Reagan was old, and Bush went to Yale.... Liberals harbor personal hate because they can't defend their failed policies.

[Furious]

Why would you doubt that? One was VP before Bush was governor.

Of which VP do you speak?

[Regnad Kcin]

Goodness, Scott, what color is the sky in your world?

[Scott]

So the economic boom of the 90s was created by Reagan?The economic growth Clinton had began on Reagan's watch. Clinton didn't do anything to screw it up to bad.

And this current recession is all Clinton's fault? I won't argue that Bush inherited a bad economy from Clinton, but I will argue that Bush stalled its recovery and that his tax cuts hurt this country.The previous recession began under Clinton.

Evidence that Bush's tax cuts stalled the recovery?

Probably the biggest damage and the recoverydelay was caused by 9/11.

And have you noticed, we recovered from that without having to raise the already lowered taxes...

More people have more money in their pockets, fed. revenues are up. How does that add up to stalling the recovery?

LOL! Welfare reform for starters

Would you say that Bush is more or less corrupt than Clinton?Less. To be quite honest, I don't think any clear thinking person would think that Clinton was less corrupt than Bush.

What do you think of the Bush-Ken Lay connection?Much ado about nothing. Else we'd still be hearing about it.

What do you think about the Clinton/Ken Lay connection?

The Clinton/Tyson connection?

The Clinton/insert-name-here connection?

How about the Clinton/Chinese-nuclear-missile-targeting-system-so-they-can-hit-US-Cities-now connection?

The Clinton/here's-your-pardon-be-sure-to-vote-for-my-wife-and-tell-all-your-freinds connection.

The Clinton/FALN connection?

Why else did he go on a one month vacation before 9/11 if he wasn't acquainted with his job?What do you think about Clinton's vacation 7 months after he took office in 1993?

If you think a President (any President) ever takes a vacation, you're insane. Just because the President's not at the White House doesn't mean he's not working.

Bush had 9 months to go after Bin Laden, but he didn't.Two things here.

One, we currently do not know what was going on to track Osama in the months leading up to 9/11. We do know that the FBI your boy left Bush was looking for a few of the hijackers though.

Two, Clinton had at least 2 opportunities to have Osama handed to him on a silver platter, but turned them down (and bombed an aspirin factory instead).

Of which VP do you speak?Gore

Goodness, Scott, what color is the sky in your world?Right wing blue (I didn't give you the impression it was left-wing pink did I?)

[Furious]

Gore

Thought so. You do realize his dad was a senator for Tennessee before he started his political career? So even if Gore was an alcoholic mediocre-at-Ivy-League transient Tennesee native, he probably wouldn't have been elected without daddy's name, which bolsters my Bush example.

I didn't say Bush was wrong for getting elected by name recognition, just that I seriously doubt he would have been elected without it.

All I'm trying to point out is that political oppurtunism (in Bush's AND Gore's case, their political careers got serious boosts from name recognition/family influence) is not a Democrat-only trait.

[corplinx]

Some people might hate her for being a woman.
Some people might hate her for being from deliverance Arkansas.
Some people might hate her for attempting to ruin the best quality healthcare in the world (according to them).
Some people might hate her for being "overspun" or too fake acting during the Clinton years. (the infamous interview in front of the Lincoln picture)
Some people might hate her for winning a Senate state in a state she didnt live in (so I hope they hate Dick Cheney and Liddy Dole too).
Some people might hate her for being a useless partisan Senator.
Some people might hate her for they feel like she's pushed down their throats.

If someone actually "hates" Clinton, it may be for one of many reasons. Some of them might have some validity but nothing deserving of real hate. Take the Al Franken route and disguise the hate (thinly) with satire. You come off looking a lot better.

I don't think I've ever met anyone who actually hates Hillary. I know people oppose her socialist stances. I know people who think she's just a kook for her "right wing conspiracy" stances.

Hillary is a mixed bag and her Q ratings aren't high enough for her to run for president yet and some people just don't like the PR campaign she's launched these past 2 years to try to get a favorable public image. She can no more disguise her unconstitutional views than she can those thunder-thighs.

[epepke]

Originally posted by Tmy
What awful thing has she ever done? There seems to be this hard core group of Hillary haters. I think itd because shes a strong outspoken woman, and that bugs the hell out of many right wingers.

You're close here. Being a "srong outspoken woman" automatically gives her an aura of protection, and some people don't have that.

Janet Reno is a strong, outspoken woman who did some horrible things in Waco.

Indira Gandhi was a strong, outspoken woman who suspended the constitution and threw her opponents into jail.

Margaret Thatcher was a strong, outspoken woman who eviscerated National Health.

Leni Riefenstahl was a strong, outspoken woman who directed Triumph of the Will.

As for Hillary Clinton, there was that empty health care package, but nothing came of it anyway. However, as a former New Yorker, I do care about the terrible way in which she has been representing New York.

[Dancing David]

Originally posted by Tmy
And shes a GIRL!!!!!! Cooties!!! Cooties!!!!!

I think that is the real reason, she 'acts like a man'.

I can understand why some would be upset about gun control, but where does she want to supress individual rights?

[Suddenly]

Originally posted by corplinx


If someone actually "hates" Clinton, it may be for one of many reasons. Some of them might have some validity but nothing deserving of real hate. Take the Al Franken route and disguise the hate (thinly) with satire. You come off looking a lot better.



This is really true. I'd have to struggle not to vote for her just to see the look on certain people's faces when she won. I'm almost giddy with the prospect of all this "disrespect for the President is disrespect for the United States stuff" being tossed at Trent Lott and so on...

I mean, can you imagine if a war started when she was there? This whole "trust the president" crap on FOX would turn weird real quick.

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Tmy
What awful thing has she ever done? There seems to be this hard core group of Hillary haters. I think itd because shes a strong outspoken woman, and that bugs the hell out of many right wingers.

I have often wondered about that too.

I remember when Clinton was first running for president in 1992 and I watched the Republican Convention and there was one speaker who complained about how Hillary Clinton was going to destroy American families because she wanted to have a program of free inoculations for children.

I was looking at the TV and thinking, "WTF is this guy's problem? What is so awful about helping to protect people from terrible diseases that they can be readily protected against?" I never really did get a good answer to that question.

[specious_reasons]

Originally posted by corplinx
Some people might hate her for being a woman.
Some people might hate her for being from deliverance Arkansas.
Some people might hate her for attempting to ruin the best quality healthcare in the world (according to them).
Some people might hate her for being "overspun" or too fake acting during the Clinton years. (the infamous interview in front of the Lincoln picture)
Some people might hate her for winning a Senate state in a state she didnt live in (so I hope they hate Dick Cheney and Liddy Dole too).
Some people might hate her for being a useless partisan Senator.
Some people might hate her for they feel like she's pushed down their throats.

(snip)


Most of the people who I know that "hated" Hillary hated her before most of the things you and Scott wrote about happened. How soon after Clinton became President did the "Impeach the President... and her husband, too!" bumper stickers come out?

[Tez]

Originally posted by Tmy
What awful thing has she ever done? There seems to be this hard core group of Hillary haters. I think itd because shes a strong outspoken woman, and that bugs the hell out of many right wingers.

And their redneck supporters hate her because they feel by not "putting out" for her husband she put the foundation of the free world in jeopardy....

[Richard G]

Shes the closest thing to Stalin this country has ever elected to office.

[Samus]

I, personally, never cared for her policy stances or political tactics. Moving to New York so she could get elected to the Senate was an example. I don't know that she has done anything significant since elected, either.

Although, giving credit where it is due, she ran a good campaign. There were a lot of Hillary haters in NY, and she won a lot of them over. Rick Lazio campaigned on the fact that he wasn't Hillary, and he got spanked on election day.

I don't imagine she would make a good president. She, to my knowledge, has never run an executive branch of government, nor has she held any comparable position in the private sector. She has no policy background other than her failed attempt at a healthcare program. I'm not even sure what she considers her expertise to be in the Senate (shows you how much I pay attention to my elected officials!)

I also get the impression that she puts her own career ahead of her constituents. All politicians probably do, she's just really bad at hiding it.

[Tony]

Originally posted by Tez


And their redneck supporters hate her because they feel by not "putting out" for her husband she put the foundation of the free world in jeopardy....

I had to laugh at this.

Hillary is a redneck, she and Bill's relationship is the epitome of Jerry Springer white trash.

[ggcarl]

Originally posted by Tmy
What awful thing has she ever done? There seems to be this hard core group of Hillary haters. I think itd because shes a strong outspoken woman, and that bugs the hell out of many right wingers.

No. It's because she's ugly and has lousy legs. :p Her rhetoric would be a lot easier to take if she was better looking. ;)

[Melissa Johnson]

Two words: Pant Suit.

Oh, and the whole non-elected official influencing laws thing.

[pgwenthold]

Originally posted by Melissa Johnson
Two words: Pant Suit.

Oh, and the whole non-elected official influencing laws thing.

But no one hates Nancy Reagan near as much as they hate Hillary, and she had her friggin astrologer influencing laws (in addition to her wasted "Just Say No" campaign).

[VicDaring]

Originally posted by Scott

Two, Clinton had at least 2 opportunities to have Osama handed to him on a silver platter, but turned them down.


Wrong. Seriously urban-legend worth of wrong.


Posted by Tony
Hillary is a redneck, she and Bill's relationship is the epitome of Jerry Springer white trash.

I've always found it odd, the crap Bill and Hillary take for chosing to actually work on their marriage, including through the difficult times. I guess the "moral" right prefers the Newt Gingrich approach.

[Furious]

Originally posted by pgwenthold


But no one hates Nancy Reagan near as much as they hate Hillary, and she had her friggin astrologer influencing laws (in addition to her wasted "Just Say No" campaign).

Changing times, different situations. I don't disregard the hypocrisy, but what average people will latch on to is hard to understand, and thus sociology is born. :)

"Just Say No" is a hard policy to demonize because it was primarily aimed at children at no real detriment to anyone else (other than taxpayers for simply advertising), so no political leaders will touch it.

National Health Care on the otherhand, would involve completely restructuring an entire industry and was easy to play on the Right's fears of undeserving people getting something for free.

Also, Nancy didn't appear to have political aspirations after Ron left the White House. Same with the Bush first ladies. I don't want to fall into the straw man of "knowing their place", but I think most people who hate Hillary think she used those influences and position to gain political points for herself, and so was pandering.

I'm not saying that's truly the case for any of those ladies, but I think that's the perception.

Also, Democrats court the female vote much more so than Republicans (at least until recently), and so are much less likely to attack a female for fear of alienating that constiuency.

[WildCat]

I don't hate her, but do get extremely annoyed w/ her. It has to do w/ her style more than anything else. I get the impression that she thinks she's so much smarter than everyone else, and she has a deprecating way of talking down to people. She annoys me even when I agree w/ her position, just a personality I don't like. I lump her into the same "pompous arrogant blowhard" category as Bill Bennett.

I've always found it odd, the crap Bill and Hillary take for chosing to actually work on their marriage, including through the difficult times. I guess the "moral" right prefers the Newt Gingrich approach.
I think they stay married because constituents like their politicians to be married. They don't even live together for cryin' out loud. Their marriage, like everything the Clintons do, is carefully managed for political gain.

[Scott]

Originally posted by VicDaring


Wrong. Seriously urban-legend worth of wrong.Then I wonder who's voice it is admitting it on the audio tape?

I wonder why Hillary says Bill just got his facts wrong when he said it.

Hmmmm...

www.newsmax.com/clinton2.mp3