Probably something about race. And there may be some religion in there. I think.

[XenonII]

Suddenly it is all clear. We must keep the black men away from the white women, lest our inferior white genes are overpowered by the dominant black ones.


I guess race is carried on the Y chromosome. How did I miss this in genetics class?

Call me old fashioned, I just believe that people should stick to their own race when it comes to dating and procreating. It has nothing to do with keeping people away from people in a social or other setting.

I believe the Lord wouldn't have created racial diversity if he didn't want us to preserve that diversity and miscegenation is racial genocide, it destroys the diversity that the Almighty has created and it should be discouraged and certainly not pandered to and encouraged like it is today. Aren't liberals all for diversity?

I don't think White genes being recessive makes them inferior either because Whites were never ment to procreate with Blacks anyway and it's only since America's culture was hijacked by the left that this phenomenon, as well as various other socially destructive ones such as homosexuality, have been on the increase.

Split from: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=126587

[gdnp]

Call me old fashioned, I just believe that people should stick to their own race when it comes to dating and procreating. It has nothing to do with keeping people away from people. I believe the Lord wouldn't have created racial diversity if he didn't want us to preserve that diversity and miscegenation is racial genocide, it destroys the diversity that the Almighty has created and it should be discouraged and certainly not pandered to and encouraged like it is today.

Ah. Do you have bible verses to demonstrate that the Lord wants us to keep races pure, or did you make this up on your own?

[Redtail]

No whites have Obama's "exotic" (for want of a better word) racial makeup. I believe there is no such thing as being half black and half white, there is a name of course for this uncovential racial mix - Mulatto. Obama has a race and that race is black, just he is not pure race like most people (and by pure race I don't necessarily mean 100% pure just close enough to 100% before anyone alleges no one is pure race, most Europeans are 97-98%+ pure race for example which sets the standard.)

White genes are believed to be recessive and black genes believed to be dominant. Therefore when a white woman mates with a Negro, such as in the case of Obama's mother, we can see the result in the offspring is an individual that looks far more black than they do white.

Tiger Woods is also black, one of these rarer Mongoloid-Negroid types compared to Obama a Caucasoid-Negroid. These people are technically hybrids, but because of the dominance of black genes, this is the race we classify them under. Otherwise, you would have people without a race. Tiger Woods is not of Thai ancestory, his mother is.

... Um... Wrong. For example, me.

[Hokulele]

Erm, although I did contribute to this (mea culpa), maybe we should take the derail elsewhere and discuss Colin Powell here.

[Redtail]

Call me old fashioned, I just believe that people should stick to their own race when it comes to dating and procreating. It has nothing to do with keeping people away from people in a social or other setting.

So I shouldn't date/procreate?

I believe the Lord wouldn't have created racial diversity if he didn't want us to preserve that diversity and miscegenation is racial genocide, it destroys the diversity that the Almighty has created and it should be discouraged and certainly not pandered to and encouraged like it is today. Aren't liberals all for diversity?

Well one would think (what with the lord being all powerful and what not) that if the lord intended such then we simply wouldn't be able to have offspring or said offspring would be sterile... Then again he did lose a cup.

I don't think White genes being recessive makes them inferior either because Whites were never ment to procreate with Blacks anyway and it's only since America's culture was hijacked by the left that this phenomenon, as well as various other socially destructive ones such as homosexuality, have been on the increase.

You don't know much about history do you? People have been "down with the swirl" for a while now. Also the men in my family have been pretty a long time. (Not to mention a few White males have been known to "jump the fence".

[XenonII]

You do realize Tiger Woods is only 1/4 black, yes?

Genetically speaking, by your standards, there are no such thing as white people. (97%, my foot!)

Tiger Woods is black. Tiger Woods looks black. Before I knew Tiger Woods had Mongoloid genes as well as Negroid, I thought he was completely black. Black genes dominate remember and white genes are recessive. The mix might be 25% as you put it, but the dominance increases the percent blackness significantly.

Tiger Woods is no ordinary Negro of course and not just because he is an ace golfer, his considerable fusion of non-black genes give him a clear advantage. Tiger Woods has a lot of Asian genes. Asians are highly intelligent, we know this because they score near the top of the range in IQ tests and by observing the civilizations they produce, just look at Japan for example. Of course, the media worships him because he's a good golfer who's not white.

I would consider ~95% to be the benchmark for White people to be White and certainly the vast majority easily reach this standard. So what if it's not 100% exactly in some or even most cases? It is insignificant.

[XenonII]

But a black voting for Obama because his is black is not a perfectly legitimate reason, it is racist. A black voting for Obama because they believe that he is the candidate that best reflects their values and who they feel would best lead the country is a legitimate reason. How many of the 90-95% of blacks expected to vote for him will do so for racist reasons, how many for legitimate reasons, and how many for a combination of the two is unknown.

Of course it is racist! But the MSM thinks it's perfectly legitimate! They at least won't speak out against it. Then they go and attack ALL white Democrats who are going to vote McCain/Palin as being "racists", when there could be perfectly legitimate reasons for the way many of them are choosing to vote in this election, just as there could be for a black person voting for a black president.

Is your premise that I as a white person should vote for McCain/Palin over Obama/Biden even though Obama better reflects my values? That if some people vote based on stupid racist reasons that I should vote against my own perceived interests to balance the equation?

You should vote for who you believe best reflects your values and you feel will make a better president for America which I am sure that's exactly what you are doing. I believe that person is McCain. The all-American War Hero and POW who has experience. Country First! Plenty agree with me and plenty do not, but all Americans will get their chance to play their part in selecting who that individual should be. That's democracy and God Bless America! Land of the Brave and Home of the Free. I'm sure McCain will make a decent President, of Ulster-Scott ("Scotch-Irish") ancestry in a long line of many American presidents of Ulster descent that have served their nation proud. God Bless Loyal Ulster! No Surrender! Go McCain! We love you Sarah!

[Nyarlathotep]

You should vote for who you believe best reflects your values and you feel will make a better president for America which I am sure that's exactly what you are doing. I believe that person is McCain. The all-American War Hero and POW who has experience. Plenty agree with me and plenty do not, but all Americans will get their chance to play their part in selecting who that individual should be. That's democracy and God Bless America! Land of the Brave and Home of the Free. I'm sure McCain will make a decent President, of Ulster-Scott ("Scotch-Irish") ancestry in a long line of many American presidents of Ulster descent that have served their nation proud.

Strange words for someone who has "A vote for the Obamanation is TREASON!" in his sig.

[R.Mackey]

I'm sure McCain will make a decent President, of Ulster-Scott ("Scotch-Irish") ancestry in a long line of many American presidents of Ulster descent that have served their nation proud.

Well shoot, if that's all it takes, what say we dump this whole election brouhaha and just reinstate the monarchy? Sounds foolproof!

Good thing we have a genius like you to help us out.

[varwoche]

Of course it is racist! But the MSM thinks it's perfectly legitimate! They at least won't speak out against it. Then they go and attack ALL white Democrats who are going to vote McCain/Palin as being "racists"All? I read the paper, watch the news, and yet I don't recall even one instance.

If ALL white democrats who support McCain are labeled as racists by the MSM then it should be a stroll in the park for you to name one instance (with cite to original source.)

Well?

[SezMe]

I should've quit reading this thread at #58. Now, excuse me. I have to go take a shower.

[a_unique_person]

Xenon, are you being serious?

If so then you should understand that anthropologists are moving away from the notion that there are different races of people. Our differences are superficial. Race is largely a social construct not a biological one.

I don't agree with Xenon at all, but race is biological, the most obvious difference being skin colour. (And a great source of cultural angst it is, too). Without that skin colour, people couldn't endure in tropical regions. It's interesting to see that the Aryan's who arrived in India long ago still value a 'wheaten' colour for their skin, even though natural attrition has made their skin a lot darker in the time that has passed since their arrival.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/in_india_skin_lightening_creams_are_all_the_rage/

At least, that's MHO. Biology for the physical traits, Culture for god only knows what goes on inside our heads.

[leftysergeant]

Even leaving the moral issues aside, I would find racism just too much work for no return. I actually find a lot of black women highly attractive and would have been denied a lot of interesting (and, in one case damned scary) experiences had i let the rednecks convince me that there was something wrong with dating outside my race.

Fact is, I am now married to a Korean, and I think we have some of all but Eskimos and Australian Aborigines in my family. (But then, i do notice that, after long absences, my brother does come home with some interesting walrus ivory or Koober Pedee opals. Hmmmm...)

[Redtail]

Tiger Woods is black. Tiger Woods looks black. Before I knew Tiger Woods had Mongoloid genes as well as Negroid, I thought he was completely black. Black genes dominate remember and white genes are recessive. The mix might be 25% as you put it, but the dominance increases the percent blackness significantly.

Sigh... Wrong again. That's me in my avatar. I'm 50% Black, 25% White, 25% American Indian. (Give or take a few percentage points for Arabic, Asian, etc...) I can easily "pass" for White. It was actually a big selling point for me when i was looking at grad schools.

Tiger Woods is no ordinary Negro of course and not just because he is an ace golfer, his considerable fusion of non-black genes give him a clear advantage. Tiger Woods has a lot of Asian genes. Asians are highly intelligent, we know this because they score near the top of the range in IQ tests and by observing the civilizations they produce, just look at Japan for example. Of course, the media worships him because he's a good golfer who's not white.
And Palmer was just a good golfer?

I would consider ~95% to be the benchmark for White people to be White and certainly the vast majority easily reach this standard. So what if it's not 100% exactly in some or even most cases? It is insignificant.

Uh-huh... What's the benchmark for Blacks, Asians, Hispanic, etc...?

[Undesired Walrus]

I'd ask everyone to avoid feeding what appears to be Jerome's replacement.

He isn't the greatest advertisement for McCain supporters, reminds me of that South Park episode in which Jimbo gets the support of the KKK.

[a_unique_person]

Even leaving the moral issues aside, I would find racism just too much work for no return. I actually find a lot of black women highly attractive and would have been denied a lot of interesting (and, in one case damned scary) experiences had i let the rednecks convince me that there was something wrong with dating outside my race.

Fact is, I am now married to a Korean, and I think we have some of all but Eskimos and Australian Aborigines in my family. (But then, i do notice that, after long absences, my brother does come home with some interesting walrus ivory or Koober Pedee opals. Hmmmm...)

Race is not something static, that's for sure. Throughout history, it's been one thing you can count on. "Racial Purity", for example, is a pointless waste of time.

[leftysergeant]

Race is not something static, that's for sure. Throughout history, it's been one thing you can count on. "Racial Purity", for example, is a pointless waste of time.
As far as i can tell, there have only been two pure races since mankind became what we call Man today. Neanderthalers and Tasmanians. Lot of bloody good it did them, eh?

There are remnants of the Tasmanians, although they had to cross out with Australian Aborigines. There is still a possibility that Aryans are the offspring of Africans and Neanderthalers. They originated in the right location and the Neanderthalers would have to have been white to survive in northern Europe.

[Dr Adequate]

I believe the Lord wouldn't have created racial diversity ... He did? Really? So ... okay, maybe he made Adam black and Eve white, but there are other races ... and in any case this would rather undercut your point about miscegenation.

[Dr Adequate]

It comes under the heading of: overall outrageous behavior for asking Obama a question. No.

I figured you would be proud that your liberal msm programs could manage to do two things at once: hype the Powell endorsement of Obama, and continue to vilify "Joe." And as usual, what you claim to have "figured" is a dumb truckload of nonsense.

There are some cases in which consistency is no virtue; in your case it wouldn't kill you to be right once in a while.

[gtc]

And I hear she does a trick with ping-pong balls...

There is already one racist in this thread, we don't need another.

Attack her opinions, don't stereotype her on the basis of her race and gender.

[XenonII]

It is not as if Blacks voting for Democrats is a brand new thing. Most Democrats, since Lyndon Johnson, have carried a strong, even overwhelming majority of Black votes.

People vote for the person that they think will make their own situation better. The Republican party has done little if anything to indicate that they have any concern for the plight of Black Americans. So to imagine that Black Americans think that Obama will be more likely than even other Democrats to make their situation better, is hardly a startling proposal.

By contrast, Whites, have no indication that voting for McCain will make their situation better. Indeed, many think just the opposite. So you see, that while politics may follow some racial alignments, in the end it is just politics. Sure, there are a number of Black people who will vote for Obama even though they might disagree with his politics. There are certainly as many White people who will vote against him for purely racist reasons, and since Whites outnumber Blacks, likely they will have the advantage of the purely racist vote.

But if you are assuming that all of the Blacks who are voting for Obama are doing so because he is black, then you are yourself making a racist assumption that is not based on politics. If you are saying "it's okay to be racist because they're even more racist", then you are one of the reasons why racism is still so prevalent. Until you are able to say, "I don't care what they do, I will vote on the issues," then you will never be free of your chains.

I'm saying it's not ok for the bias the liberal media blatantly shows against America's majority population. They don't hold blacks to the same standards as whites. Blacks vote Democrat because the Democrats pander to them. They treat them like ethnic pets with special privildges such as affirmative action, something that shouldn't be needed. If the liberal propaganda about all races being equal really is true, then blacks should be able to compete against whites in society on a level playing field. No one cares if blacks vote for a black candidate because they're the same race, but even the possibility of whites doing the same has the American and white hating liberal media in a fit.

[XenonII]

Ah. Do you have bible verses to demonstrate that the Lord wants us to keep races pure, or did you make this up on your own?

Until the so-called "Civil Rights" (forced integration, which robbed us of our fundamental human right to freedom of association!) movement, practically ALL Christians believed the same. Do the vast majority of today's so-called "Christians" disagree that miscegenation is an abomination because Christians were wrong or because they were brainwashed by liberal propaganda? I believe it was the latter.

I think it's pretty obvious that if God had only wanted one race, which is the ultimate result if everyone miscegenates, then he would only have created one race. He wouldn't have created several if there was only supposed to be one. Mixed race people look weird, it is just not natural.

I don't think Adam and Eve were an interracial couple either, surely they would have been if that sort of lifestyle was ok.

I think real Christians stand by Biblical truth and not buckle under pressure from PC special interest groups like most "Christians" have shamefully done. Fornication, homosexuality and miscegenation - all sexual sins - all running out of control and all things Christians should be speaking out against far more often. To pretend any one of these is not a sin just to be socially acceptable is disgraceful and hypocritical. Sin is sin and I believe in traditional Biblical morality and not this watered down, multiCULTural heretical interpretation that passes for Christianity nowadays.

[Dr Adequate]

Until the so-called "Civil Rights" (forced integration) movement, practically ALL Christians believed the same. Do the vast majority of today's so-called "Christians" disagree that miscegenation is an abomination because Christians got it wrong or because they were brainwashed by liberal propaganda? I believe it was the latter. You seem to invent history as freely as you invent opinions for God.

I think it's pretty obvious that if God had only wanted one race, which is the ultimate conclusion to miscegenation, then he would only have created one race. He wouldn't have created several if there was only supposed to be one. I don't think Adam and Eve were a interracial couple either, surely they would have been if that sort of lifestyle was ok. So he created several races, but Adam and Eve were the same race?

Do go on.

[XenonII]

... Um... Wrong. For example, me.

I think you look more black than white.

[Dr Adequate]

I think real Christians stand by Biblical truth and not buckle under pressure from PC special interest groups like most Christians have shamefully done. Fornication, homosexuality and miscegenation - all sexual sins - all running out of control and all things Christians should be speaking out against far more often. To pretend any one of these is not a sin just to be socially acceptable is disgraceful and hypocritical. Sin is sin and I believe in traditional Biblical morality and not this watered down, multiCULTural heretical interpretation that passes for Christianity nowadays. Ah, it seems we have a volunteer to cast the first stone.

[XenonII]

You seem to invent history as freely as you invent opinions for God.

So he created several races, but Adam and Eve were the same race?

Do go on.

I don't invent history or opinions for God. God is perfectly capable of speaking for himself and he has done so through the Holy Bible. What I do is defend God's Word from attacks from false prophets, liberals, atheists and others. 50 years ago Christianity insisited that it was God's opinion that miscegation was a sin. Sure there were "Christians" who supported miscegenation before the moral collapse within Christianity that resulted in them giving in to this sin and deciding to just pretend that God really didn't have a problem with it anymore, but those people were liberal infiltrators and not real Christians.

Today, liberals support homosexuality and the Bible is clear this is a sin, even today's cafiteria "Christians" agree homosexuality is a sin. You have liberal "Christians" today who don't think homosexuality is a sin just as you had liberal "Christians" 50 years ago that didn't think miscegetion was a sin either. Real Christians don't defend sin or make excuses for sin!

Did God change his mind in the last 50 years? No way! What happened was so-called Christians decided to start misinterpretating their Bibles so that sin was no longer classified as a sin. The Bible says in the final days there will be plenty of false prophets and man will call evil good and good evil. This was an earlier example of that and the World has gone downhill morally ever since!

Well too bad for the (im)moral relativists, 'coz a sin doesn't stop being a sin just because we are in denial of the truth. God hasn't changed his mind on this sin just as he hasn't changed his mind on any others. It was the opinion of Christians back in the 50s that miscegenation was a sin and I agree with that opinion. There is no justification or logical reason to believe that it is no longer sin just because of a dubious so-called "Civil Rights" movement managed to brainwash enough heretics into insisiting otherwise.

God created several races through microevolution. We know microevolution, change within a species, is perfectly possible and is true because scientists have observed it taking place.

Macroevolution though, the alleged process of one species changing into another is mearly a theory unsupported by scientific fact. There are no transitional fossils and no missing link. The coelacanth was considered by evolutionary preachers as the species from which land based animals macroevolved from and then 70 years ago was found completely unevolved after supposedly being extinct for "65 million" years!

The descendants of Adam and Eve (who were both white, just like our Lord Jesus Christ) went forth and multiplyed accross the four corners of God's green earth. These different groups of humans then over thousands of years, adapted through microevolution to the local environments they were living in.

The Negro for example developed thicker, darker skin to cope with the African sun. The Caucasian, in the much cooler northern European lattitude had no reason to develop darker colored skin so didn't. Over time, these differences between the races grew more pronounced and more extensive to the point that three distinct individual human subspecies came into existance - the Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid, each containing many races and subraces beneath them.

Only one of what was eventually to be a subrace of the white race of the Caucasoid subspecies of human has remained completely unchanged throughout this whole microevolutionary process - the Nordic subrace, the very first people that all other subraces, races and subspecies of human microevolved from.

[Dr Adequate]

I don't invent history or opinions for God. God is perfectly capable of speaking for himself and he has done so through the Holy Bible. What I do is defend God's Word from attacks from false prophets, liberals, atheists and others. 50 years ago Christianity insisited that it was God's opinion that miscegation was a sin. Sure there were "Christians" who supported miscegenation before the moral collapse within Christianity that resulted in them giving in to this sin and deciding to just pretend that God really didn't have a problem with it anymore, but those people were liberal infiltrators and not real Christians.

Today, liberals support homosexuality and the Bible is clear this is a sin, even today's cafiteria "Christians" agree homosexuality is a sin. You have liberal "Christians" today who don't think homosexuality is a sin just as you had liberal "Christians" 50 years ago that didn't think miscegetion was a sin either. Real Christians don't defend sin or make excuses for sin!

Did God change his mind in the last 50 years? No way! What happened was so-called Christians decided to start misinterpretating their Bibles so that sin was no longer classified as a sin. The Bible says in the final days there will be plenty of false prophets and man will call evil good and good evil. This was an earlier example of that and the World has gone downhill morally ever since!

Well too bad for the (im)moral relativists, 'coz a sin doesn't stop being a sin just because we are in denial of the truth. God hasn't changed his mind on this sin just as he hasn't changed his mind on any others. It was the opinion of Christians back in the 50s that miscegenation was a sin and I agree with that opinion. There is no justification or logical reason to believe that it is no longer sin just because of a dubious so-called "Civil Rights" movement managed to brainwash enough heretics into insisiting otherwise.

God created several races through microevolution. We know microevolution, change within a species, is perfectly possible and is true because scientists have observed it taking place.

Macroevolution though, the alleged process of one species changing into another is mearly a theory unsupported by scientific fact. There are no transitional fossils and no missing link. The coelacanth was considered by evolutionary preachers as the species from which land based animals evolved from and then 70 years ago was found completely unevolved after supposedly being extinct for "65 million" years!

The descendants of Adam and Eve (who were both white, just like our Lord Jesus Christ) went forth and multiplyed accross the four corners of God's green earth. These different groups of humans then over thousands of years, adapted through microevolution to the local environments they were living in.

The Negro for example developed thicker, darker skin to cope with the African sun. The Caucasian, in the much cooler northern European lattitude had no reason to develop darker colored skin so didn't. Over time, these differences between the races grew more pronounced and more extensive to the point that three distinct individual human subspecies came into existance - the Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid, each containing many races and subraces beneath them.

Only one of what was eventually to be a subrace of the white race of the Caucasoid subspecies of human has remained completely unchanged throughout this whole microevolutionary process - the Nordic subrace, the very first people that all other subraces, races and subspecies of human microevolved from. Ooh, what a lot of stuff you've made up!

All this just so's you can hate people who look different from you ... is it really worth it? All that manure just to fertilize one poisonous and unpalatable emotion?

[XenonII]

Ooh, what a lot of stuff you've made up!

All this just so's you can hate people who look different from you ... is it really worth it? All that manure just to fertilize one poisonous and unpalatable emotion?

I'm not making anything up and I don't hate someone just because they are a different race from me. I don't know how you got that I hate people who look different from me from my posts? In fact, I don't hate anyone for any reason whatsoever. What I hate is SIN and I love the sinner! So you call someone a hater because you can't adequately refute what they have to say? These are my beliefs and I'm sticking to them.

[Dr Adequate]

I'm not making anything up ... No, to be fair, you're probably just reciting the lies you've been taught; the creationist drivel in particular sounds drearily familiar. I went too far in suggesting that there might be a spark of originality in your posts.

... and I don't hate someone just because they are a different race from me. I don't know how you got that I hate people who look different from me from my posts? By their fruits shall ye know them

In fact, I don't hate anyone for any reason whatsoever. What I hate is SIN and I love the sinner! That was the Spanish Inquisition's excuse.

So you call someone a hater because you can't adequately refute what they have to say? Ah, now you've made something up, congratulations.

These are my beliefs and I'm sticking to them. And they are sticking to you, as **** tends to.

[SezMe]

God, the Holy Bible (which is god speaking to us humans), false prophets, miscegation (I assume he means miscenegation), liberal infiltrators, homosexuality, sin, the final days, moral relativism, dubious "Civil Rights", brainwashing, heretics, micro- and macro-evolution, transitional fossils....all in one post. Surely this must set the all-time, unasailable record for single-post woo.

XenonII, at the risk of thread derail, can you tell us if 911 was an inside job? It would be a fitting completion of your "15-fecta". Thanks.

[XenonII]

So I shouldn't date/procreate?

You can still date within your race, it's not as if mixed-race people don't have a race as i've already explained. A mixed-race black person is still black because of the dominance of black genes.

Well one would think (what with the lord being all powerful and what not) that if the lord intended such then we simply wouldn't be able to have offspring or said offspring would be sterile... Then again he did lose a cup.

Subspecies of a species can usually mate, different species usually can't or the offspring is sterile, such as Lions mating with Tigers. There is only one human species so it is not surprising that people can successfully mate betwen subspecies. However, I don't believe that because something is possible that is God's intention for mankind, otherwise you would have to allow anything and everything. God has given us free will and we should act responsibly with that gift. Miscegenation destroys the racial diversity that God has created. It is politically correct genocide. In its most extreme form, it is only one step away from bestiality. It is a deliberate act of defiance against God's plan for the human species. It is wrong period.

You don't know much about history do you? People have been "down with the swirl" for a while now. Also the men in my family have been pretty a long time. (Not to mention a few White males have been known to "jump the fence".

I know plenty enough about history to know that the liberal hijacking of America's culture has been a disaster and that society desperately needs to start living by God's standards again rather than imperfect mans and soon before it is too late. These are the last days we find ourselves in you know and time is running out for Jesus will be coming back soon.

[leftysergeant]

I am thinking that it would probably be best to split a lot of this thread off and stick it in the Science or Religion woo pile.

(AS though the offending off-topic remarks about race could be called real science or real religion. The supposed word of God is, as is the biol;ogical evidence, pulled out of someone's diaper.

I don't invent history or opinions for God.

Yes, you do. That's what Christian Identity followers do. They lie about God to justify their racism.

Sure there were "Christians" who supported miscegenation before the moral collapse within Christianity that resulted in them giving in to this sin and deciding to just pretend that God really didn't have a problem with it anymore, but those people were liberal infiltrators and not real Christians.

Nope. Nothing in the Bible prohibits interracial marriage. Not a bloody word of it. Nada. Zilch. Op-sum-ni-da. Just trry to find a quote in the commonly accepted scriptures. Not the Christian Identity Apocrypha.

The Bible says in the final days there will be plenty of false prophets and man will call evil good and good evil.

One posts here pretending to be a Christian while espousing the lies of Christian Identity.:rolleyes:

The descendants of Adam and Eve (who were both white, just like our Lord Jesus Christ) went forth and multiplyed accross the four corners of God's green earth.

Nope. The first humans lived in East Africa and they had to be black to stand the sun. Sorry. We have the fossils. We win.

..the Nordic subrace, the very first people that all other subraces, races and subspecies of human microevolved from.

Nah. They evolved from Neanderthals who boinked Africans. More likely the males doing African females because their Neandethal sisters were too ugly. That's why you see Neanderthaloid features in the Predmosti fossils, but no Neanderthaler mitochondrial DNA in Aryans.

[Dr Adequate]

Is it also wrong for different breeds of dog to get it on? How about cats? If, for example, a ginger tom boinks a tortoiseshell, is that an abomination in the eyes of God? After all, he made the kitties all different colors through his miracle of microevolution, yes? How about budgies?

God must be so mad all the time, what with all the kitties and the puppies doing the sex thing ... it's no wonder he seems to spend so little time on us nowadays.

For example he could have smitten down those racially-mixed abominations Colin Powell and Barack Obama --- hey, did you see how I segued back to the topic there? --- but he's too busy with all the miscegenating cats.

[SezMe]

These are the last days we find ourselves in you know and time is running out for Jesus will be coming back soon.
I see this assertion a lot by fundamental christians but it never seems to come to pass. So please define "soon". Now, don't waffle. You said, "soon" so you must know what that means. Give us a concrete period that "soon" will occur in.

On the other hand, if you don't want to nail down "soon" to a specific date, please explain why you can make the assertion.

For bonus points, please explain why the numerous doomsday cults over the last centuries have uniformly been wrong with their doomsday predictions. After all, these cults - including the Mormons - are surely devout christians and, as such, have a direct link to god's teachings.

[XenonII]

God, the Holy Bible (which is god speaking to us humans), false prophets, miscegation (I assume he means miscenegation), liberal infiltrators, homosexuality, sin, the final days, moral relativism, dubious "Civil Rights", brainwashing, heretics, micro- and macro-evolution, transitional fossils....all in one post. Surely this must set the all-time, unasailable record for single-post woo.

XenonII, at the risk of thread derail, can you tell us if 911 was an inside job? It would be a fitting completion of your "15-fecta". Thanks.

I already posted elsewhere on the forum in another thread that 911 was the actions of the Muslims and now Americans could possibly be voting one in as president less than 10 years after the worst terrorist attack in America's history. You can blame multiCULTuralism and God lowering his protective guard over a nation living in stark defiance of His Holy Word for not insignificant factors leading up to this tragedy. Worse, Americans were given this wake up call and they have carried on in their ways regardless seemingly oblivious to it.

[Puppycow]

I believe the Lord wouldn't have created racial diversity if he didn't want us to preserve that diversity and miscegenation is racial genocide, it destroys the diversity that the Almighty has created and it should be discouraged and certainly not pandered to and encouraged like it is today. Aren't liberals all for diversity?

:rolleyes:

If the Lord didn't want us to miscegenate, He wouldn't have made us sexually compatible. Rather, the Lord doesn't want us to breed with our close relations, which is why inbreeding results in birth defects.

[Dr Adequate]

I already posted elsewhere on the forum in another thread that 911 was the actions of the Muslims and now Americans could possibly be voting one in as president less than 10 years after the worst terrorist attack in America's history. That wasn't the dumb conspiracy theory we were looking for, but we can give you partial credit.

You can blame multiCULTuralism and God lowering his protective guard over a nation living in stark defiance of His Holy Word for not insignificant factors leading up to this tragedy. I blame stupid religious fanatics who think they're carrying out God's will when they're just worshipping the rage, bigotry and hatred inside their screwed-up heads.

Because that's who actually carried out the attacks.

[XenonII]

:rolleyes:

If the Lord didn't want us to miscegenate, He wouldn't have made us sexually compatible. Rather, the Lord doesn't want us to breed with our close relations, which is why inbreeding results in birth defects.

The Lord has given us free will, that doesn't mean he wants us to just do anything we want. That's why somethings are sins. We still have to at least try to live righteously. The Lord doesn't want us to breed outside our race, to fornicate, to choose to be a homosexual, to shack up with our sisters, etc. All these things are possible, but are morally wrong and unless we repent of these things we will ultimately pay the price for them in the end.

[DavidJames]

Until the so-called "Civil Rights" (forced integration, which robbed us of our fundamental human right to freedom of association!) movement, practically ALL Christians believed the same. Do the vast majority of today's so-called "Christians" disagree that miscegenation is an abomination because Christians were wrong or because they were brainwashed by liberal propaganda? I believe it was the latter.

I think it's pretty obvious that if God had only wanted one race, which is the ultimate result if everyone miscegenates, then he would only have created one race. He wouldn't have created several if there was only supposed to be one. Mixed race people look weird, it is just not natural.

I don't think Adam and Eve were an interracial couple either, surely they would have been if that sort of lifestyle was ok.

I think real Christians stand by Biblical truth and not buckle under pressure from PC special interest groups like most "Christians" have shamefully done. Fornication, homosexuality and miscegenation - all sexual sins - all running out of control and all things Christians should be speaking out against far more often. To pretend any one of these is not a sin just to be socially acceptable is disgraceful and hypocritical. Sin is sin and I believe in traditional Biblical morality and not this watered down, multiCULTural heretical interpretation that passes for Christianity nowadays.Sheesh, all that when you could have just said, yeah, I made it all up on my own.

[XenonII]

That wasn't the dumb conspiracy theory we were looking for, but we can give you partial credit.

Well, sorry to dissapoint, but I don't believe in conspiracy theories. If I believe in something, then I don't consider it a consipracy theory, I believe it to be truth, whether others believe it is a consipracy theory or not, and I don't believe in much anyway that others would consider to be conspiracy theories either. I did hear though that 4,000 Jews mysteriously failed to turn up to work at the World Trade Center on 9/11 and with the Jew controlling America's media (easily verifiable info for anyone that doesn't believe me just use Google, nothing anti-semetic about simply stating a fact or giving the Jew credit where credit is due) and showing such hostility to America's white majority population as we have witnessed through his media, and the Jew having American foreign policy dancing to his tune, maybe there could be something in that? Seems like a remarkable coincidence if true! It's not something that I have looked into though (yet). I also think that Jesse Jackson saying that Obama would not be in the Zionist's pocket is the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard that man say, and that's saying something!

I blame stupid religious fanatics who think they're carrying out God's will when they're just worshipping the rage, bigotry and hatred inside their screwed-up heads.

Because that's who actually carried out the attacks.

I agree that radical Muslims are "stupid religious fanatics who think they're carrying out God's will when they're worshipping the rage, bigotry and hatred inside their screwed-up-heads". You summed up radical Muslims to a tee! They are indeed hateful bigots and demon possesed, just like their child molesting prophet Mohammed who founded that evil cult. Just look at the difference between Christianity and Islam - Jesus was the only man who couldn't sin while Mohammed wallowed in sin. Allah is a synomon for satan and these radicals have no place in America! They are the only group that plots to terrorize us. Sad to say, but I believe that the most radical Muslims are the ones most true and loyal to their faith, not that that excuses of course their evil, psychotic and murderous behavior/desires.

[Dr Adequate]

The Lord has given us free will, that doesn't mean he wants us to just do anything we want. That's why somethings are sins. We still have to at least try to live righteously. The Lord doesn't want us to breed outside our race, to fornicate, to choose to be a homosexual, to shack up with our sisters, etc. All these things are possible, but are morally wrong and unless we repent of these things we will ultimately pay the price for them in the end. Before I'm going to take your word on what God thinks, I want to see you heal a leper or something. So far you have shown no signs of sanctity.

[Dr Adequate]

Well, sorry to dissapoint, but I don't believe in conspiracy theories. If I believe in something, then I don't consider it a consipracy theory, I believe it is the truth, whether others believe it is a consipracy theory or not and I don't believe in much that others would consider conspiracy theories either. I did hear though that 4,000 Jews mysteriously failed to turn up to work on 9/11 and with the Jew controlling America's media (easily verifiable information for anyone that doesn't believe me just use Google, nothing anti-semetic about simply stating a fact or giving the Jew credit where credit is due) and the Jew having American foreign policy dancing to his tune, maybe there could be something in that, but it's not something that I have looked into. So, you do have a 9/11 conspiracy theory!

Hooray!

Is there anything you're not wrong about?

I agree that Muslims are "stupid religious fanatics who think they're carrying out God's will when they're worshipping the rage, bigotry and hatred inside their screwed-up-heads". With whom do you imagine that you agree? I made no such statement about Muslims in general, merely about the terrorists who perpetrated 9/11.

You summed up the Muslims to a tee! They are indeed hateful bigots and demon possesed, just like their child molesting profit Mohammed was who founded that evil cult. Allah is also a synomn for satan. You're wrong a lot, aren't you?

[Undesired Walrus]

I did hear though that 4,000 Jews mysteriously failed to turn up to work at the World Trade Center on 9/11 and with the Jew controlling America's media (easily verifiable info for anyone that doesn't believe me just use Google, nothing anti-semetic about simply stating a fact or giving the Jew credit where credit is due) and showing such hostility to America's white majority population as we have witnessed through his media, and the Jew having American foreign policy dancing to his tune, maybe there could be something in that?


No surprise this bigotry eventually appeared.

Xenon, do you honestly believe the propoganda you have heard that there is no missing link between Man and Ape? It is a false statement that is repeated frequently, and leaps straight over a great deal of evidence.

I don't propose to tell you what to believe, but I would advise -for your own sake- to let go of this emotional ugliness that clouds your non-existent soul.

[XenonII]

Sheesh, all that when you could have just said, yeah, I made it all up on my own.

I don't let the World's latest politically correct fads compromise my faith.

[XenonII]

Before I'm going to take your word on what God thinks, I want to see you heal a leper or something. So far you have shown no signs of sanctity.

I never claimed to be Jesus! Geez... If you want to know what the Lord thinks, open a Bible (your Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth), it's all in there plain as day! King James Version is best! :jaw-dropp

[DavidJames]

I don't let the World's latest politically correct fads compromise my faith.You made a claim of what the lord said and were asked to provide a source in the bible to support your claim. You failed to do so. What is your faith based on if it's not the bible?I never claimed to be Jesus! If you want to know what the Lord thinks, open a Bible, it's all in there plain as day! :jaw-droppThat's not what you do! See above, you just made stuff up!

[Tricky]

I never claimed to be Jesus! If you want to know what the Lord thinks, open a Bible, it's all in there plain as day! :jaw-dropp
Explain, then, why so many people who read the bible come to completely different conclusions about what the Lord thinks? If it is plain as day, then why are there different sects of Christianity?

Could it be, possibly, that there might be some interpretation involved? If two people disagree on how to interpret the Bible, how do you decide who is right?

[Dr Adequate]

I never claimed to be Jesus! Then perhaps you could stop passing off your opinions on race as God's?

Geez... If you want to know what the Lord thinks, open a Bible (your Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth), it's all in there plain as day! King James Version is best! :jaw-dropp But I'm not seeing any instructions for racism there. Nor indeed am I seeing any nonsense about the Nordic race or coelacanths or the history of Christianity or any of the other things you're wrong about.

[XenonII]

So, you do have a 9/11 conspiracy theory!

Hooray!

Is there anything you're not wrong about?

With whom do you imagine that you agree? I made no such statement about Muslims in general, merely about the terrorists who perpetrated 9/11.

You're wrong a lot, aren't you?

I don't have a 9/11 conspiracy theory. I never said I thought 4,000 Jews mysteriously didn't show up for work at the World Trade Center on 9/11, mearly that it was something that I had heard. I haven't looked into this yet so I couldn't say one way or the other if I think that's true or not.

When I agreed with what you posted about the 9/11 purpotrators, I said that description applied to radical Muslims ONLY and not Muslims in general! I'm sure many Muslims are perfectly nice and peaceful people just like anyone else when you get to know them. It is a shame they are so deluded and won't go to heaven unless they repent and change but then there are a lot of other groups that fall into the same boat. I don't believe I am wrong a lot, not always right about everything I'm sure, but then who is other than God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost? I do believe however that I am on the right track! :D

[Jimbo07]

The Lord doesn't want us to breed outside our race,

If you want to know what the Lord thinks, open a Bible... it's all in there plain as day!

A reading from the Book of Bigots 11:11:11 - For verily did the Lord say, "Sleep not with those outside thine own race. Woe betide whosever shall vote for the negro man. For I the Lord, your God, am perfect and just as my love is perfect, so too is my hate perfect!"*

* Verily didst I hear unto mine own ears this last exact sentiment on mine own tele-operated vision set, not more than a few years ago. :mad:

[Dr Adequate]

I don't have a 9/11 conspiracy theory. I never said I thought 4,000 Jews mysteriously didn't show up for work at the World Trade Center on 9/11, mearly that it was something that I had heard. I haven't looked into this yet so I couldn't say one way or the other if I think that's true or not. So, more a sort of conspiracy-vague-hypothesis then?

When I agreed with what you posted about the 9/11 purpotrators, I said that description applied to radical Muslims ONLY and not Muslims in general! No, that is not in fact what you said.

I'm sure many Muslims are perfectly nice and peaceful people just like anyone else when you get to know them. It is a shame they are so deluded and won't go to heaven unless they repent and change but then there are a lot of other groups that fall into the same boat. Well, let's hope you got lucky and got the right religion, otherwise they'll be having the last laugh.

I don't believe I am wrong a lot ... All the evidence points to it.

I do believe however that I am on the right track! :D A common delusion.

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

[XenonII]

No surprise this bigotry eventually appeared.

Xenon, do you honestly believe the propoganda you have heard that there is no missing link between Man and Ape? It is a false statement that is repeated frequently, and leaps straight over a great deal of evidence.

I don't propose to tell you what to believe, but I would advise -for your own sake- to let go of this emotional ugliness that clouds your non-existent soul.

I don't believe in "Bigfoot" if that's what you're getting at. ;)

[Dr Adequate]

I don't believe in "Bigfoot" if that's what you're getting at. Are you sure? Only then you'd have the full set.

[XenonII]

You made a claim of what the lord said and were asked to provide a source in the bible to support your claim. You failed to do so. What is your faith based on if it's not the bible?That's not what you do! See above, you just made stuff up!

I don't make stuff up! I follow what the Lord says in his Bible. I could provide a source but I would have to look it up and I don't really have the time now. The Bible is a BIG book! But I will look into it later, OK?! :cool:

[XenonII]

Explain, then, why so many people who read the bible come to completely different conclusions about what the Lord thinks? If it is plain as day, then why are there different sects of Christianity?

Could it be, possibly, that there might be some interpretation involved? If two people disagree on how to interpret the Bible, how do you decide who is right?

While it is true that the Bible is open to a certain degree of interpretation and more so on some subjects than others, I believe that a traditional interpretation is more likely to be accurate than a politically correct, revisionist interpretation hastily made after being the target of substantial political activism. I believe that the King James Version is the correct version, the one that is most accurately translated from the original texts and that there is no need for any other versions. I don't let political correctness cloud my judgement when interpretating what the Bible says unlike so many nowadays.

[maxfrost]

I think it's time to drive a stake through this thead.

[XenonII]

Xenon II helped confirm my only thought when I saw Powell's endorsement. "Great. We'll now have more racists claiming the blacks are sticking together."

At least this will function at routing out that thought and expose it's shallowness.


I'm just wondering if any more mainstream current of McCain's Campaign will pick up this argument.

Well isn't that exactly what's happening? Blacks are sticking together? Who would expect that black Republicans would jump ship to support a Democratic Black running for President? Is it too much to ask Republicans who are black to show some loyality to the party like we expect no less from white Republicans? I don't think white Republicans are abandoning the party to vote for Obama? It's not just the blacks that are sticking together, even the mulattoes are getting in on the act, Powell being a fellow mulatto.

[Undesired Walrus]

I don't believe in "Bigfoot" if that's what you're getting at. ;)

No, as 'Bigfoot' (Quite right to put it inside markers) is a creature which has little to no evidence for it. What I was referring to (And I suspect you realise it) was the great deal of missing links between Humans and Apes. I stress that you have been reading creationist propoganda that propogates this myth that there are no transitional fossils or missing links.

[joobz]

Well isn't that exactly what's happening?
No. He gave a lot of non-racial reasons for supporting Obama. None of which seemed false.

Who would expect that black Republicans would jump ship to support a Democratic Black running for President?
Which others have done so? And what were their reasons?

Is it too much to ask Republicans who are black to show some loyality to the party like we expect no less from white Republicans?
Loyalty isn't to the party, but to the country. If a person feels that a candidate of another party is better, then they should vote for that person. From Powell's statements, it was clear that he viewed the direction the republican party was taking was exactly opposite of what the country needed. As such, he supported Obama.


I don't think White Republicans are abandoning the party to vote for Obama?
Are you so sure? http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/gopendorse/

It's not just the blacks that are sticking together, even the mulattoes within the black race are getting in on the act, Powell being a mulatto just like Obama.

Out of curiosity, how many generations removed from a black ancestor must one be before they are "no longer black"?

[Dr Adequate]

While it is true that the Bible is open to a certain degree of interpretation and more so on some subjects than others, I believe that a traditional interpretation is more likely to be accurate than a politically correct, revisionist interpretation hastily made after being the target of substantial political activism. And you know so little history that you see yourself as the former rather than the latter.

I believe that the King James Version is the correct version, the one that is most accurately translated from the original texts and that there is no need for any other versions. I don't let political correctness cloud my judgement when interpretating what the Bible says unlike so many nowadays. Ooh, you're a KJVer as well!

[XenonII]

Then perhaps you could stop passing off your opinions on race as God's?

But I'm not seeing any instructions for racism there. Nor indeed am I seeing any nonsense about the Nordic race or coelacanths or the history of Christianity or any of the other things you're wrong about.

"My" opinions on race are what was generally accepted as God's opinions on race pre the "Civil Rights" movement. I see no reason that God's opinion would have suddenly and radically changed. I believe therefore that this opinion is perfectly valid and correct because it is God's opinion.

There is no racism in the Bible. Racism is a liberal concept, used to attack White people. Opposition to miscegenation cannot be labelled as racist, even though the left currently tries to portray it as such. Racial preservation is the opposite of racism. While there could be no racism if we breed all the separate races out of existance, which is what miscegenation has the potential of doing, this is a rather extreme way to combat so-called racism, the extermination of individual races! That would be pure racism itself. It would be genocide.

I mentioned coelacanths because they were misused for evolutionary propaganda purposes in the past which has since been proved false. The Bible does mention that Adam is white and this is why Christianity has always taught that Adam and Eve were white, and still does as far as I know.

[Dr Adequate]

"My" opinions on race are what was generally accepted as God's opinions on race pre the "Civil Rights" movement. No.

There is no racism in the Bible. Racism is a liberal concept, used to attack White people. Opposition to miscegenation cannot be labelled as racist, even though the left currently tries to portray it as such. Racial preservation is the opposite of racism. No.

While there could be no racism if we breed all the separate races out of existance, which is what miscegenation has the potential of doing, this is a rather extreme way to combat so-called racism, the extermination of individual races! That would be pure racism itself. It would be genocide. No.

I mentioned coelacanths because they were misused for evolutionary propaganda purposes in the past which has since been proved false. No.

The Bible does mention that Adam is white. No.

Christianity has always taught that Adam and Eve were white, and still does as far as I know. No.

Is there anything else you'd like to be wrong about?

[XenonII]

A reading from the Book of Bigots 11:11:11 - For verily did the Lord say, "Sleep not with those outside thine own race. Woe betide whosever shall vote for the negro man. For I the Lord, your God, am perfect and just as my love is perfect, so too is my hate perfect!"*

* Verily didst I hear unto mine own ears this last exact sentiment on mine own tele-operated vision set, not more than a few years ago. :mad:

I think it's bigotry to sleep with those outside your own race to be honest and shows a lack of respect for racial diversity, boundaries and contempt towards ones own race. I don't think it's hate to want to preserve your race by not mixing with others and thus preserving the racial diversity that God created. I can't understand how if we were supposed to be all one race, which is what every act of miscegenation contributes towards, why that's not the case and why liberals keep promoting behavior that will lead to the death of racial diversity and the genocide of the races when they are usually such strong supporters of diversity.

[davefoc]

Well isn't that exactly what's happening? Blacks are sticking together? Who would expect that black Republicans would jump ship to support a Democratic Black running for President? Is it too much to ask Republicans who are black to show some loyality to the party like we expect no less from white Republicans? I don't think white Republicans are abandoning the party to vote for Obama? It's not just the blacks that are sticking together, even the mulattoes are getting in on the act, Powell being a fellow mulatto.

Whites have been abandoning the Republican Party en masse. Here's an article about it:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/19/AR2008101901921.html

From the article:
· In the 13 battleground states that require voters to register by party, there are nearly 1.5 million more Democrats than at this time in 2004. The comparable Republican numbers, by contrast, have fallen by 61,000 during that time. And if you prefer anecdotal evidence, I'm a registered Republican, 59 years old and have voted Republican almost exclusively for most of my life. I'm voting for Obama and I'm voting for Democrats in the national races.

You seem to see all these people that are leaving the Republican Party as disloyal. I think it is the Republican Party that has been disloyal. They have put their earmarks and their cronyism above the national interest for seven years. The Iraq war was used as an excuse to enrich their corporate buddies and the interests of the country and the soldiers fighting for it were given second priority. The country has been savaged by this band of corrupt and cynical leaders.

If you want to look around for the enablers of this disaster look in the mirror. No matter how corrupt or inept the Republican leadership is you propose it is disloyal to vote for Democrats if you are a Republican. The Republican leadership used the loyalty of you and people like yourself to enable their corrupt and disastrous governance.

[varwoche]

Then they [mainstream media] go and attack ALL white Democrats who are going to vote McCain/Palin as being "racists"
If ALL white democrats who support McCain are labeled as racists by the MSM then it should be a stroll in the park for you to name one instance (with cite to original source.)

C'mon XenonII. Unless you're making stuff up ex nihilo this should be a slam dunk, given your claim that it's true in "ALL" instances. Yet no response.

Can you cite one, solitary instance?

I'll line up the names of some democrats who are supporting McCain, if that will help.

[Cicero]

Colin Powell in 2005 (http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Politics/story?id=1105979&page=1):

It was Powell who told the United Nations and the world that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and posed an imminent threat. He told Walters that he feels "terrible" about the claims he made in that now-infamous address -- assertions that later proved to be false.

When asked if he feels it has tarnished his reputation, he said, "Of course it will. It's a blot. I'm the one who presented it on behalf of the United States to the world, and [it] will always be a part of my record. It was painful. It's painful now."

As for your dreary whining about "libs", you could leave it out of your posts without reducing their information content. A time-saving hint.

Very good. Where does Powell say he was "duped," "coerced," "lied to," "bamboozled," "coned," "gaslighted," or "tricked," by the CIA/Bush/Rumsfeld about the "evidence" he presented to the U.N. in these remarks? Since he does not state this, why do libs say this?

If Powell is taking responsibility and not pretending to have been victimized by the CIA/Bush/Rumsfeld, then why do libs bestow upon him this victim label?

[Ausmerican]

Mixed race people look weird, it is just not natural.

Halle Berry, Salma Hayek, The Rock, Brandon & Shannon Lee, Vin Diesel, Rachel Smith (Miss USA 2007), Rosario Dawson, Thandie Newton, Shemar Moore, Lisa Bonet, Tamara Taylor, Jimmy Smits, Dean Cain, Jessica Alba, Cameron Diaz, Benjamin Bratt, Raquel Welch, Joanna Kerns(!!), Linda Carter, Madelaine Stowe, Lenny Kravitz, Mariah Carey.

Does weird mean generally highly attractive?
If you are telling me Raquel Welch and Linda Carter are weird looking then weird must be a good thing.

We love you Sarah!

Umm you do realize her husband is mixed race right? (Inuit)

[XenonII]

So, more a sort of conspiracy-vague-hypothesis then?

No, that is not in fact what you said.

Well, let's hope you got lucky and got the right religion, otherwise they'll be having the last laugh.

All the evidence points to it.

A common delusion.

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

"4000 Jews mysteriously failed to turn up to work at the World Trade Center on 9/11" - I don't have an opinion on this statement as yet because I have not looked into this claim but I'm certainly not going to dismiss it hastily out of hand either. I mean these people do control our media even though few will admit it even though it's so easy to verify this simple fact and they are very hostile to conservatives, just look at the way they've treated Sarah Palin.

I did make a serious mistake when commenting about Muslims and I quickly went back to correct it. I know the Bible verse you quoted and I believe that sums up the liberal population quite nicely.

[Dr Adequate]

Very good. Where does Powell say he was "duped," "coerced," "lied to," "bamboozled," "coned," "gaslighted," or "tricked," by the CIA/Bush/Rumsfeld about the "evidence" he presented to the U.N. in these remarks? Since he does not state this, why do libs say this?

If Powell is taking responsibility and not pretending to have been victimized by the CIA/Bush/Rumsfeld, then why do libs bestow upon him this victim label? If you will look at the last couple of lines of my thread, you will see that I addressed your whining about libs as well as your whining about Powell.

Do you mind, I'm trying to talk to the racist fundie, at least he's interesting.

[Cicero]

If you will look at the last couple of lines of my thread, you will see that I addressed your whining about libs as well as your whining about Powell.

Do you mind, I'm trying to talk to the racist fundie, at least he's interesting.

Why is liberal considered a pejorative? Why is calling a liberal a liberal considered whining?

[XenonII]

Are you sure? Only then you'd have the full set.

It was a joke! Bigfoot is sometimes claimed to be the missing link, but I don't believe that's true even if he does exist. Bigfoot would just be a currently unrecognised by science species of ape, not a human or missing link and Creationists have nothing to fear from Bigfoot! I keep an open mind on the possibility of this beasts existance. It is quite a fascinating subject to be perfectly honest.

[Dr Adequate]

I think it's bigotry to sleep with those outside your own race to be honest and shows a lack of respect for racial diversity, boundaries and contempt towards ones own race. I don't think it's hate to want to preserve your race by not mixing with others and thus preserving the racial diversity that God created. I can't understand how if we were supposed to be all one race, which is what every act of miscegenation contributes towards, why that's not the case and why liberals keep promoting behavior that will lead to the death of racial diversity and the genocide of the races when they are usually such strong supporters of diversity. When even you can't understand the fantasy world in your head, I'm not sure that anyone else can help you.

[Dr Adequate]

It was a joke! Bigfoot is sometimes claimed to be the missing link ... No.

... but I don't believe that's true even if he does exist. Bigfoot would just be a currently unrecognised by science species of ape, not a human or missing link and Creationists have nothing to fear from Bigfoot! I keep an open mind on the possibility of this beasts existance. It is quite a fascinating subject to be perfectly honest. Well, if you were going to be open-minded about anything, I guess it would have to be something like Bigfoot.

[XenonII]

No, as 'Bigfoot' (Quite right to put it inside markers) is a creature which has little to no evidence for it. What I was referring to (And I suspect you realise it) was the great deal of missing links between Humans and Apes. I stress that you have been reading creationist propoganda that propogates this myth that there are no transitional fossils or missing links.

Transitional fossils and missing links? Sounds like evolutionary propaganda! God doesn't profess propaganda. God says evolution is false and creationism is true, example from the Bible "In the beginning he CREATED them male and female".

[Dr Adequate]

Why is liberal considered a pejorative? Why is calling a liberal a liberal considered whining? Are you talking to me, or to the fervid hallucinations of your troubled brain?

Only I, of course, said no such thing.

[XenonII]

No.

He is. Evolutionists like to promote Bigfoot as some sort of missing link to prove their theories correct.

Well, if you were going to be open-minded about anything, I guess it would have to be something like Bigfoot.

:D At least Bigfoot has a chance of being real, unlike Evolutionary propaganda, woops I mean "theory".

[Dr Adequate]

I know the Bible verse you quoted and I believe that sums up the liberal population quite nicely. And yet it is you who is telling me silly lies about, for example, how "The Bible does mention that Adam is white."

"By their fruits shall ye know them."

[Dr Adequate]

He is. Evolutionists like to promote Bigfoot as some sort of missing link to prove their theories correct. No.

[Dr Adequate]

God doesn't profess propaganda. And you might profit from his example.

[XenonII]

He is. Evolutionists like to promote Bigfoot as some sort of missing link to prove their theories correct.



:D At least Bigfoot has a chance of being real, unlike Evolutionary propaganda, woops I mean "theory".

And I am open minded about a lot of things...

That Christians changed their mind over miscegenation not because it was no longer a sin anymore but because of intense pressure from liberals.

That Barack Hussein Obama is a muslim who would most likely be a complete disaster as president and would run America into the ground.

That homosexuality remains a mental illness and that its declassification as such was a political move carried out under overwhelming pressue from the homosexual agenda and not the result of new evidence suggesting or proving it was normal.

That the races have different IQs as shown by every IQ test ever conceived.

That Jews control America's media, even though no one seems to want to admit it and even though anyone can find out this simple truth for themselves in 30 seconds flat anytime they want simply by using Google.

Those are just a few examples.

[XenonII]

And yet it is you who is telling me silly lies about, for example, how "The Bible does mention that Adam is white."

"By their fruits shall ye know them."

That's not a lie. It's the simple truth.

[XenonII]

No.

Well i've heard it before even if you haven't, so evidently they do.

[Ausmerican]

And I am open minded about a lot of things...

That Christians changed their mind over miscegenation not because it was no longer a sin anymore but because of intense pressure from liberals.

That Barack Hussein Obama is a muslim who would most likely be a complete disaster as president and would run America into the ground.

That homosexuality remains a mental illness and that its declassification as such was a political move carried out under overwhelming pressue from the homosexual agenda and not the result of new evidence suggesting or proving it was normal.

That the races have different IQs as shown by every IQ test ever conceived.

That Jews control America's media, even though no one seems to want to admit it and even though anyone can find out this simple truth for themselves in 30 seconds flat anytime they want simply by using Google.

Those are just a few examples.

mmmm So many different flavors of nuts. And yet combined or seperate they still taste like WRONG!

[Dr Adequate]

That's not a lie. It's the simple truth. It is a lie.

[Eskarina]

And I am open minded about a lot of things...

That Christians changed their mind over miscegenation not because it was no longer a sin anymore but because of intense pressure from liberals.

That Barack Hussein Obama is a muslim who would most likely be a complete disaster as president and would run America into the ground.

That homosexuality remains a mental illness and that its declassification as such was a political move carried out under overwhelming pressue from the homosexual agenda and not the result of new evidence suggesting or proving it was normal.

That the races have different IQs as shown by every IQ test ever conceived.

That Jews control America's media, even though no one seems to want to admit it and even though anyone can find out this simple truth for themselves in 30 seconds flat anytime they want simply by using Google.

Those are just a few examples.


Who again said "It's good to be open minded, as long as your brain doesn't run the risk of falling out of your skull."?

I smell traces of POE here. :rolleyes:

[Dr Adequate]

Well i've heard it before even if you haven't, so evidently they do. Your conclusion does not follow from your premise, since it is obvious from your posts that many of the things that you have heard are complete bollocks.

[XenonII]

And you might profit from his example.

I already am.

[XenonII]

mmmm So many different flavors of nuts. And yet combined or seperate they still taste like WRONG!

I'm not so open minded, or should I say gullable, when it comes to liberal propaganda.

[Morrigan]

Trolls, do not feed them.

[Dr Adequate]

I already am. No.

What are your lies about the Bible if not racist propaganda?

[Tricky]

While it is true that the Bible is open to a certain degree of interpretation and more so on some subjects than others, I believe that a traditional interpretation is more likely to be accurate than a politically correct, revisionist interpretation hastily made after being the target of substantial political activism.
Ah. You mean traditional like back in the ninteenth century when people interpreted the bible to mean that slavery was okay? Actually, it is pretty clear that the bible does condone slavery, but those dang liberal abolutionists act like Leviticus doesn't even exist.

But it is quite clear that you strongly favor one interpretation over others. Yet it is the same bible, the one you say that "all you have to do is read it" and you'll know what is right. I'm sensing a bit of rationalization on your part, almost like you were trying to say the "politically correct" thing.

But I must warn you not to try to bandy the bible around folks here. There are bible scholars on this board who have studied the Good Book far more than you have ever dreamed of. It would be better to show a little humility, because there are some things here that people don't suffer gladly.

[Ausmerican]

I'm not so open minded, or should I say gullable, when it comes to liberal propaganda.

No. Just open minded to racist propaganda. I will happily admit you seem closed minded apart from that.
Do you have ANY evidence to back up any of those points you made?
You know like maybe starting with where in the bible it says its a sin for races to mix?
Any evidence that Obama is a muslim?
Any evidence for any of it?
Damn you made me sound like Claus.

[XenonII]

Who again said "It's good to be open minded, as long as your brain doesn't run the risk of falling out of your skull."?

I smell traces of POE here. :rolleyes:

Whoever said that gave very good advice!

[XenonII]

No.

What are your lies about the Bible if not racist propaganda?

What lies and what "racist" propaganda? I said the Bible oppposes the genocide of the races, what could be less racist about that? And what's racist about Adam being white? He had to be one race didn't he and the Bible says white. Take it up with God...you know how the saying goes...don't shoot the messenger! :rolleyes:

[Morrigan]

And what's racist about Adam being white? He had to be one race didn't he and the Bible says white.

http://blogs.psychologytoday.com/files/u12/wikipedian_protester.png

(Not that I give a rat's ass about what the Bible says, really. :newlol)

[Uzzy]

I feel sad for your 'Lord' if he feels the need to forbid the likes of me from getting with the likes of Jessica Alba, Naomi Campbell and Zhang Ziyi.

If that's a sin, then damn! I'll happily sin away.

[dudalb]

Trolls, do not feed them.

Xenon strikes me as being the genuine article, a old fashioned bigot/religious fanantic. then a troll.
His sig opinion on Ireland promises great amusement. I would like to see him go to Dublin and try to sell that opinion.

[XenonII]

Ah. You mean traditional like back in the ninteenth century when people interpreted the bible to mean that slavery was okay? Actually, it is pretty clear that the bible does condone slavery, but those dang liberal abolutionists act like Leviticus doesn't even exist.

But it is quite clear that you strongly favor one interpretation over others. Yet it is the same bible, the one you say that "all you have to do is read it" and you'll know what is right. I'm sensing a bit of rationalization on your part, almost like you were trying to say the "politically correct" thing.

But I must warn you not to try to bandy the bible around folks here. There are bible scholars on this board who have studied the Good Book far more than you have ever dreamed of. It would be better to show a little humility, because there are some things here that people don't suffer gladly.

I will take a traditional interpretation over a modern revisionist one any day. I don't have a problem with slavery because the Bible clearly and enthusiastically endorses it. Which makes it all the more baffling when Christians in the past thought they had a leg to stand on when they claimed they wanted to abolish it because it was "immoral". God decides what is immoral not man, being Christians they should know that, and to claim God finds something immoral when he clearly strongly supports it is blasphemy. Taking this into account, if we can't trust so called Christians to interpretate the Bible correctly when it is obvious what it means how can we trust them on something like miscegenation which is not quite so obvious?

[Cleon]

And what's racist about Adam being white? He had to be one race didn't he

Nope.


and the Bible says white.

No, it doesn't.

[Dr Adequate]

What lies and what "racist" propaganda? I said the Bible oppposes the genocide of the races, what could be less racist about that? And what's racist about Adam being white? He had to be one race didn't he and the Bible says white. No (http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=Adam&searchtype=all&wholewordsonly=yes&version1=9&spanbegin=1&spanend=73).

Take it up with God...you know how the saying goes...don't shoot the messenger! :rolleyes: You are not God's messenger.

[Uzzy]

I will take a traditional interpretation over a modern revisionist one any day. I don't have a problem with slavery because the Bible clearly and enthusiastically endorses it. Which makes it all the more baffling when Christians in the past thought they had a leg to stand on when they claimed they wanted to abolish it because it was immoral. God decides what is moral not man and to claim God finds something immoral when he clearly strongly supports it is blasphemy. Taking this into account, if we can't trust so called Christians to interpretate the Bible when it is obvious what it means how can we trust them on something like miscegenation which is not quite so obvious?

Wow. Really?

[Cicero]

I feel sad for your 'Lord' if he feels the need to forbid the likes of me from getting with the likes of Jessica Alba, Naomi Campbell and Zhang Ziyi.

If that's a sin, then damn! I'll happily sin away.

Naomi Campbell? She repels all humans without any divine intervention. What about Vanity (aka Denise Katrina Matthews), Beyoncé'?

[Uzzy]

Naomi Campbell? She repels all humans without any divine intervention. What about Vanity, Beyoncé'?

I believe I can reach across party lines to agree with you about Beyonce, Cicero. :D

[ZouPrime]

I will take a traditional interpretation over a modern revisionist one any day. I don't have a problem with slavery because the Bible clearly and enthusiastically endorses it. Which makes it all the more baffling when Christians in the past thought they had a leg to stand on when they claimed they wanted to abolish it because it was "immoral". God decides what is immoral not man, being Christians they should know that, and to claim God finds something immoral when he clearly strongly supports it is blasphemy. Taking this into account, if we can't trust so called Christians to interpretate the Bible correctly when it is obvious what it means how can we trust them on something like miscegenation which is not quite so obvious?

Ok. So troll, or ******* crazy. In any case, I don't understand why this discussion is still going on in the US Presidential Election forum.

[Ausmerican]

What lies and what "racist" propaganda? I said the Bible oppposes the genocide of the races, what could be less racist about that? And what's racist about Adam being white? He had to be one race didn't he and the Bible says white. Take it up with God...you know how the saying goes...don't shoot the messenger! :rolleyes:

Um I think there are probably several thousand degrees of 'less racist' than not being pro genocide. And as far as Adam being white goes, correct me if I am wrong but I was under the impression that you didn't view Jews as white. While there is no race stated for Adam, if you were going to assume one, well it is a Jewish book after all, about the Jewish god.

[chipmunk stew]

Much as I enjoy a good systematic dismantling of a race-crazed Bible-thumper's Gordian worldview, I'm going to request that the conversation that has careened past the point of having even the most tangential relationship the OP be split into its own thread.

[Undesired Walrus]

I will take a traditional interpretation over a modern revisionist one any day. I don't have a problem with slavery because the Bible clearly and enthusiastically endorses it.

And the stoning of women who are not virgins on their wedding night?

[Ausmerican]

And the stoning of women who are not virgins on their wedding night?

I am all for people getting stoned on their wedding night if thats their thing....oh wait, I see what you mean...eww thats just nasty.

[Tricky]

I will take a traditional interpretation over a modern revisionist one any day. I don't have a problem with slavery because the Bible clearly and enthusiastically endorses it. Which makes it all the more baffling when Christians in the past thought they had a leg to stand on when they claimed they wanted to abolish it because it was "immoral". God decides what is immoral not man, being Christians they should know that, and to claim God finds something immoral when he clearly strongly supports it is blasphemy. Taking this into account, if we can't trust so called Christians to interpretate the Bible correctly when it is obvious what it means how can we trust them on something like miscegenation which is not quite so obvious?
You will find darned few Christians, including the leaders of most religious sects, that will agree with you that slavery is moral. Once it was accepted by Christians, but now it's not. If you study history, you will see that Christian morality evolves to fit the morality of the day, although at any given time, the Christian leaders would claim, as you do, that their values came straight from the bible.

Now I believe that morality needs to change over time, because the world changes. At one time it was necessary to have lots of children to build communities. Now, having lots of children destroys communities by leading to famine and disease. The morality of the church (at least some of it) reflects this new reality.

That is why I don't consider your opinion of "what God wants" to be representative of any major branch of Christianity, and of course, I don't believe you speak for God. The type of morality you subscribe to would land you in prison today, in almost any place in the world, Christian or otherwise.

[Undesired Walrus]

Strange thing is, I respect fundamentalism more than liberal cherry-picking of the Bible. I still regard it is a travesty though.

[thaiboxerken]

Xenon. Your views aren't old-fashioned. They are outdated. Society, long ago, decided that racism is wrong, that slavery is wrong and that bigotry, in general, is wrong. Let your friends at stormfront know this as well.

[Jimbo07]

Strange thing is, I respect fundamentalism more than liberal cherry-picking of the Bible. I still regard it is a travesty though.

You should read the Year of Living Biblically by A.J. Jacobs, for an interesting take on this opinion. While the book is irreverant and stops short of proclaiming an outright disrespect for religion (and totally avoiding the question of the existence of God), it essentially concludes that everyone (including literalists, which he tried to be) cherry-picks from their religious texts.

[XenonII]

No. He gave a lot of non-racial reasons for supporting Obama. None of which seemed false.

OK, I never read what reasons he gave (I don't need to really as actions speak louder than words!) but a prominent member of the Republican party who served under the Bush administration as Secretary of State to go ahead and public endorse the Democratic Presidential Nominee is both ludicrous and scandulous. We are supposed to believe that it is just a "coincidence" that the traitor and the one the traitor is endorsing are both mulattoes? It shows these blacks aren't real Republicans and future Republican administrations should think twice before promoting them to prominent positions within government just to be PC and appear less "racist". Affirmative action is what the liberals do and we don't need to emulate them. We don't need it in our party. Colin Powell says Sarah Palin is not ready to be president. Well duh how retarded is this man? John McCain will be president, Sarah Palin will be vice president and if Sarah Palin is not ready to be president (and maybe not) what does that make Obama? He's barely qualified to be a community organizer and he will NEVER be ready to be president. Not president of the United States anyhow!

Loyalty isn't to the party, but to the country. If a person feels that a candidate of another party is better, then they should vote for that person. From Powell's statements, it was clear that he viewed the direction the republican party was taking was exactly opposite of what the country needed. As such, he supported Obama.

If that were true, then EVERYONE would be voting McCain/Palin! After all, they are putting Country First! Not Obama First! If you're a Republican you vote for a Republican, whoever's running as far as I'm concerned and if you are a Democrat, you vote for McCain because he's the best person for the job and the alternative is truely dire. Normally I wouldn't be so enthusastically backing a RINO but McCain is not that bad, Palin is an inspired and excellent choice for VP (you can tell that not least because the MSM hates her) and Obama is a disaster waiting to happen.

Out of curiosity, how many generations removed from a black ancestor must one be before they are "no longer black"?

I just did the calculations now, presuming you started off with one parent ~100% white and one parent ~100% black and the unfortunate offspring doesn't emulate the mistakes of their parents and from now on down through the generations only mating within the White race takes place, then after just 6 generations you would have a person who has approximately 96.875% white racial inheritance, which is good enough to be classified as "no longer black". :D

[davefoc]

Xenon. Your views aren't old-fashioned. They are outdated. Society, long ago, decided that racism is wrong, that slavery is wrong and that bigotry, in general, is wrong. Let your friends at stormfront know this as well.

I've had mixed feelings about the discourse that has gone on with Xenon.

Quite a bit of it is off topic. And he seems to have a set of views that are outside the norm enough from that it is questionable whether they are genuine.

Assuming he is not a troll, he might start a new thread, possibly in the religious subforum, where he could layout his ideas about religiously oriented racism and slavery.

If he is a troll, do you suppose he'll ever admit it? Have any of the trolls that periodically pass through here ever come clean and discussed their real beliefs and what they were trying to accomplish?

And my apologies to XenonII if the views you have expressed her are sincerely held. I meant no offense here. Your views seem unusual enough to me that it makes me question whether you are being sincere. But your posts here may very well be sincere expressions of your views and if they are you might enjoy discussing them further in a new thread where they could be the primary subject.

[Undesired Walrus]

Xenon, do you think a woman should be stoned to death if she is not a virgin on her wedding night (As sanctioned in the Old Testament)?

[Undesired Walrus]

The new rumor (and this one is dubious in the extreme) is that Condi Rice will endorse. I'll believe that when I see it in the Tribune.

Where'd you hear this? I highly, highly doubt she will. She is essentially the adopted child of Bush.

[joobz]

OK, I never read what reasons he gave (I don't need to really as actions speak louder than words!)
So you frequently form a conclusion before knowing the facts?

You frequently prejudge a situation before you know more about it?

but a prominent member of the Republican party who served under the Bush administration as Secretary of State to go ahead and public endorse the Democratic Presidential Nominee is both ludicrous and scandulous.
No it isn't.

We are supposed to believe that it is just a "coincidence" that the traitor and the one the traitor is endorsing are both mulattoes?
Did you read the reasons?
It shows these blacks aren't real Republicans and future Republican administrations should think twice before promoting them to prominent positions within government just to be PC and appear less "racist".
No true scottsman fallacy. check.

Affirmative action is what the liberals do and we don't need to emulate them. We don't need it in our party.
Are you republican? I thought you were in Australia.
Colin Powell says Sarah Palin is not ready to be president. Well duh how retarded is this man? less retarded than those who do not understand the role of VP. the VP is poised to be President, should the President be unable to maintain his office. As such, the VP should be ready to be president. His concern is a realistic one.

John McCain will be president, Sarah Palin will be vice president and if Sarah Palin is not ready to be president (and maybe not) what does that make Obama?
He's barely qualified to be a community organizer and he will NEVER be ready to be president. Not president of thease United States anyhow!
Obama is quite ready.

BTW, I see you didn't address the other critiques of Powell's point. I can only assume you are continuing to form your conclusion before actually knowing the facts.


If that were true, then EVERYONE would be voting McCain/Palin! After all, they are putting Country First! Not Obama First! If you're a Republican you vote for a Republican, whoever's running as far as I'm concerned and if you are a Democrat, you vote for McCain because he's the best person for the job and the alternative is truely dire.
no he isn't and no it is not.
Truly, the handling of the economic crisis has demonstrated McCain's inability to handle the situation as a president. Obama, on the other hand, did quite well. Obama's solution, (e.g. his demands in the bail out package) were what McCain finally (after floundering for several days) came to.



I just did the calculations now, presuming you started off with one parent ~100% white and one parent ~100% black and the unfortunate offspring doesn't emulate the mistakes of their parents and from now on down through the generations only mating within the White race takes place, then after just 6 generations you would have a person who has approximately 96.875% white racial inheritance.
Is 97% white enough?

[XenonII]

Xenon, do you think a woman should be stoned to death if she is not a virgin on her wedding night (As sanctioned in the Old Testament)?

I don't think we have to follow all the rules in the Old Testament anymore? I don't agree that fornicators should be killed but I don't think they should get off scott free either, especially when one considers that fornication is running rampantly out of control and something needs to be done about it. Maybe 3 years jail with hard labor for the first offense would suffice? Persistant offenders could receive up to life imprisonment.

[SezMe]

Remember those five stages of grief? Denial, anger, etc. I've just realized I have a similar set of stages regarding posters like XenonII. While I don't have them fully chrystalized in my mind yet, they are something like revulsion, disgust, amazed, indifferent, fascinated, entertained. Our dear departed friend JDG put me through this process with the end result that I found him to be pure entertainment.

XenonII has put me through the same process. I now find his posts to be must-read material just for humor's sake alone.

Thanks, XenonII, for your wonderful posts on a sketics board. They are comedy gold. Oh, and for you JREFers in Oz, a word of thanks. May your house be ever enriched. :)

[XenonII]

Powell also stressed that Obama was a lifelong Christian! This man really is a nutcase! You'd think being a mulatto his white genes would be boosting his IQ (as IQ tests have repeatedly shown is usually the case) but this fool appears to be the exception to the rule! Since when were lifelong Christians born Muslims? Is he that clueless about Obama being a Muslim?!

Here's some of the known facts about this "Christian" Obama:

While in Indonesia, Obama attended two different grade schools. The first one was the Franciscan Asisi Primary School. Obama was registered as an Indonesian citizen born in Honolulu, Hawaii who’s religion was listed as Islam.

Obama attended this school for three years until the family moved and he was enrolled in Besuki Primary School which was predominately Muslim.

He joined Trinity United Church of Christ in 1988, a radical black power church. "Hardly Christian"

Daniel Pipes concludes that Obama was born and raised a Muslim as do millions of other sane and rational people.

Obama describes the Islamic call to prayer as "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”

His father, grandfather and Indonesian stepfather were all Muslims.

Obama's former pastor thinks Blacks should sing God Damn America, blames the US government for AIDS rather than the lifestyle of Blacks with the disease and blames America for the 2001 attacks rather than his Muslim buddies.

[Tricky]

Powell also stressed that Obama was a lifelong Christian! This man really is a nutcase! You'd think being a mulatto his white genes would be boosting his IQ but this fool appears to be the exception to the rule! Since when were lifelong Christians born Muslims?
If white genes boost intelligence, what the hell happened to you?

[Jimbo07]

This man really is a nutcase!

Oh, the irony! It burns!

[varwoche]

One more try XenonII. This is on topic. And it involves the 9th commandment to boot.

Then they [mainstream media] go and attack ALL white Democrats who are going to vote McCain/Palin as being "racists"

If ALL white democrats who support McCain are labeled as racists by the MSM then it should be a stroll in the park for you to name one instance (with cite to original source).
...
Unless you're making stuff up ex nihilo this should be a slam dunk, given your claim that it's true in "ALL" instances. Yet no response.

Can you cite one, solitary instance?

I'll line up the names of some democrats who are supporting McCain, if that will help. If you continue to evade this question, readers are apt to reach the conclusion that you are bearing false witness. It's in your court.

[XenonII]

If white genes boost intelligence, what the hell happened to you?

Evidently more intelligent than Powell! At least I'm not confusing "Christian" with "Muslim" like he is or is claiming to be. Not sure how anyone could get the two mixed up you'd have to be particulary retarded to do so. Perhaps Powell was his village's idiot. Certainly seems to be a case of Affirmative Action gone wild with his prior appointment and no wonder Bush had to get rid of him. This is the sort of person Dems want as President! Someone who thinks America has 57 states! Powell and Obama deserve each other.

[Uzzy]

Powell on Obama's faith.

But the really right answer is, what if he is [a Muslim]? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer's no, that's not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president? Yet, I have heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion, "He's a Muslim and he might be associated terrorists." This is not the way we should be doing it in America.

The man speaks truth.

Anyway you slaver Xenon, why you being so life denying? Why do you think your lord wouldn't want the likes of me to get with the likes of Beyonce (thanks Cicero. ;)), Jessica Alba and Zhang Ziyi?

Seems rather pathetic to me. And sad. If I'm going to hell for enjoying the real world, rather then obeying the laws of some bizarre mythical world that I can't see, then sign me up for hell right now. At least I'll get BLT's while looking at cute women.

[joobz]

Evidently more intelligent than Powell!
Judging by the posts you've made in this thread, nope.

[XenonII]

Xenon. Your views aren't old-fashioned. They are outdated. Society, long ago, decided that racism is wrong, that slavery is wrong and that bigotry, in general, is wrong. Let your friends at stormfront know this as well.

My views are traditional and moral. Real traditional Christian values not these phoney ones that leave out anything that's not socially acceptable. Not racist, but not PC either. Realist not racist. I don't hate other races but I don't pretend race doesn't exist or is necessarily an insignificant part of a persons character either 'coz all the evidence doesn't back up that particular little fantasy. Slavery can't be wrong if the Bible says it is right, doesn't mean we have to practice it of course because it is not compulsory, but to claim it is wrong is moral relativalism.

[Dr Adequate]

My views are traditional and moral. Real traditional Christian values not these phoney ones that leave out anything that's not socially acceptable. Not racist, but not PC either. Realist not racist. I don't hate other races but I don't pretend race doesn't exist or is necessarily an insignificant part of a persons character either 'coz all the evidence doesn't back up that particular little fantasy. Slavery can't be wrong if the Bible says it is right, doesn't mean we have to practice it of course because it is not compulsory, but to claim it is wrong is moral relativalism. No.

[leftysergeant]

While in Indonesia, Obama attended two different grade schools. The first one was the Franciscan Asisi Primary School. Obama was registered as an Indonesian citizen born in Honolulu, Hawaii who’s religion was listed as Islam.

For government administrative purposes, over most of the world, the faith of a child is assumed to be the same as that of the male head of the household to which the child belongs. Obama was a child when his faith was listed as Muslim. After he has reached an age and situation in which he had the choice, independent of his father, he was listed as a Christian. Official is not always actual.

Daniel Pipes concludes that Obama was born and raised a Muslim as do millions of other sane and rational people.

Did I just see someone use "Pipes" and "rational" in the same context?:jaw-dropp

Obama describes the Islamic call to prayer as "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”

It is, actually. You have no culture. Tajweed is one of the highest of arts allowed in Islam.

[chipmunk stew]

If white genes boost intelligence, what the hell happened to you?
:D

[Nyarlathotep]

**Sniff, sniff**

I smell trollsign

(and I don't mean Chipmunk or Lefty)

[chipmunk stew]

This is the sort of person Dems want as President! Someone who thinks America has 57 states!
Sure! You have the 50 official ones, plus Puerto Rico, Guam, the Virgin Islands, Guantanamo Bay, Afghanistan, Iraq, and, last but not least, Israel. :D

[davefoc]

Why don't you start a thread or two over in the religion section XenonII?

You could present you ideas in much more detail in a thread devoted to them.

[XenonII]

So you frequently form a conclusion before knowing the facts? You frequently prejudge a situation before you know more about it? Did you read the reasons?

I have now read some of the facts and they were less than convincing reasons for jumping on the Obama bandwagon. Sarah Palin may not be ready to be president but I don't think Obama is either and Obama is the presidential canidate. He also claims Obama is a lifelong Christian when he's never been a Christian. He is a lifelong Muslim. His reasons are bogus and just don't hold water if the other excuses are anything like those two.

Are you republican? I thought you were in Australia.

I am in Australia, but you might have noticed I get quite involved in these things. America is my spiritual home I think, you could say I am American in spirit. I have great patriotism for America because I know it is the greatest country to ever exist in the history of the Universe and if you are going to support any country you might as well make that the best. I also have patriotism for the UK, which I think is the 2nd best ever, not quite so good now though but could be worse. Australia I don't have much time for. Climate is nice and that's about it.I consider myself a republican, maybe an old school one before all this PC Big Tent nonsense started up, but obviously I am not a member of the party and won't be voting which really sucks 'coz I want to vote against Obama and the Economic Crisis is one of the Democratic Congress making and isn't the timing wonderfully convienient? Almost makes you wonder if the whole crisis hasn't been orchestrated right on cue. I almost wouldn't put anything past those that are clamoring for an Obama presidency.

Is 97% white enough?

Of course it is. That's not far off the average European.

[dudalb]

I am in Australia, but you might have noticed I get quite involved in these things. America The Confederacy is my spiritual home I think, you could say I am American Confederate in spirit.

Fixed that for you.
Waiting for what this guy thinks about what Australia's policy toward the Aboriginies should be.

[chipmunk stew]

Anyway you slaver Xenon, why you being so life denying? Why do you think your lord wouldn't want the likes of me to get with the likes of Beyonce (thanks Cicero. ;)), Jessica Alba and Zhang Ziyi?
Why would you want to get with one of them, when you could get with a purebred white girl (http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm100/walter523/UglyGirl.jpg)?

[leftysergeant]

I have now read some of the facts and they were less than convincing reasons for jumping on the Obama bandwagon. Sarah Palin may not be ready to be president but I don't think Obama is either and Obama is the presidential canidate. He also claims Obama is a lifelong Christian when he's never been a Christian. He is a lifelong Muslim. His reasons are bogus and just don't hold water if the other excuses are anything like those two.

I don't think Obama's religion even had a lot to do with Powell's endorsement. Nor has his race. What I have read suggests that Powell endorses Obama because he has shown more willingness to take the advice of actual military experts, rather than to just assume he is the expert without justification like a certain less-than-mediocre airplane driver or a little idiot wussie boy who claims to have been one.

Powell also does not seem to much like liars and sociopaths, either.

[dudalb]

I knew the Obama candidacy would bring out the wackjobs out of the woodwork, but I never though it would bring somebody as wacky as this.

[dudalb]

**Sniff, sniff**

I smell trollsign

(and I don't mean Chipmunk or Lefty)

I disagree. I think we have a genuine nutjob here.

[BenBurch]

Where'd you hear this? I highly, highly doubt she will. She is essentially the adopted child of Bush.

A friend says he read that on DU. But that and $1.00 still won't get you a large coffee at the Dunkin Donuts.

[thaiboxerken]

My views are traditional and moral.

They are outdated and immoral. Your bible has as much significance on morality as does any other religious mythology, which is little. The year is 2008. It's time to shed your silly superstition and grow up. Racism is wrong. Homophobia is wrong. Slavery is wrong. You are wrong.

[SezMe]

Pssst. XenonII, you missed a post. Go read #302, you'll really like it.

[leftysergeant]

Oops!

[Redtail]

I think you look more black than white
Really? What part O the dominant genes are showing?

You can still date within your race, it's not as if mixed-race people don't have a race as i've already explained. A mixed-race black person is still black because of the dominance of black genes.
Well the problem with that is your explanation was poor. Moot point anyway what with my fiancee being White.



Subspecies of a species can usually mate, different species usually can't or the offspring is sterile, such as Lions mating with Tigers. There is only one human species so it is not surprising that people can successfully mate betwen subspecies. However, I don't believe that because something is possible that is God's intention for mankind, otherwise you would have to allow anything and everything. God has given us free will and we should act responsibly with that gift. Miscegenation destroys the racial diversity that God has created. It is politically correct genocide. In its most extreme form, it is only one step away from bestiality. It is a deliberate act of defiance against God's plan for the human species. It is wrong period.

No it's not. If God dind't want it to happen it simply wouldn't.... Then again he couldn't keep up with a cup...



I know plenty enough about history to know that the liberal hijacking of America's culture has been a disaster and that society desperately needs to start living by God's standards again rather than imperfect mans and soon before it is too late. These are the last days we find ourselves in you know and time is running out for Jesus will be coming back soon.

So not only homo sexuality was created in the 60's by hippies but "race mixin" too? Wow...

[XenonII]

One more try XenonII. This is on topic. And it involves the 9th commandment to boot.

If you continue to evade this question, readers are apt to reach the conclusion that you are bearing false witness. It's in your court.

Ah yes...I wasn't evading seriously... I just kinda forgot about it! :o

Here's a few interesting stories, I'll keep searching & post as many links of liberals savaging Whites in the MSM as I can find...

CNN's Cafferty: Not Voting Obama? You're a Racist! (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/09/17/cnns-cafferty-not-voting-obama-youre-racist)

"...the country is filled with racists. Yes, folks, if you are voting against Obama (and no matter who or what you are actually supporting and why) it must be because you are a racist. It isn't because you stand against what Obama stands for, it has to be because you are a racist."

No doubt the country is filled with racists, and most of those have darker colored skin and vote Democrat. What about the 94%-98% of Negroes that are voting for the Magic Mulatto? Will the American-hating, Obama worshiping press ever report on that story? Don't hold your breath! The scores of Whites being harrassed and attacked by Blacks for being McCain/Palin supporters (hey just something i've heard...)? A media black out (no pun intended), just like when it comes to the media reporting on black crime.


Democrats accuse locals of being racist toward Obama (http://www.vindy.com/news/2008/sep/16/democrats-accuse-locals-of-being-racist-toward/)

Two local Democratic state legislators said they believe a main reason polls show a tight race is because of racist voters. “Race — that’s the only reason people in the Valley won’t vote for him,”

Yes...because there's no possible other reason why anyone would want to vote against Obama. I certainly can't think of any!

Girl called racist for wearing Palin t-shirt (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Politics/Detail;jsessionid=77F668AEEB79B432DE30B57582BB9821 ?contentId=7664724&version=11&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.14.1&sflg=1)

“She’s only 12 years old but Ashleigh Jones is feeling the heat of this election year. That’s because the seventh grader at New Smyrna Beach Middle School was called a racist by classmates for wearing a pro-Sarah Palin t-shirt.” And where were the teachers while this was going on? What color were the teachers? I think it’s a safe bet dozens of black children were wearing Obama T-shirts at that school, but of course blacks always get a double standard in the public schools."

Not just in the schools FOX News! Not just in the schools! EVERYWHERE else as well! Thank God for FOX News. At least one media outlet is reasonably fair and balanced and tells it like it is in today's America where Blacks are treated like royalty and Whites regulated to 2nd....no 3rd class status. To the liberal, anyone white voting for McCain = automatic racist!


Poll: Racial views steer some white Dems away from Obama (http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-race;_ylt=AhmpNBSLY_NxiDb7Ws8xWl.s0NUE)

Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks — many calling them "lazy," "violent," responsible for their own troubles.

Truth hurts, perhaps? Who makes up the largest demographic on welfare in disproportion to their numbers? Who makes up only 12% of the population but commits over 50% of the crime and composes 67% of the prison population? Whose always playing the race card?


Fidel Castro: Racism in US keeps many away from Obama (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93ON3T00&show_article=1)

The 82-year-old former Cuban dictator insists a "profound racism" exists in the U.S. and says it is "a miracle that the Democratic candidate hasn't suffered the same luck as Martin Luther King, Malcolm X and others who harbored dreams of equality and justice."

What a joke. What it is that kept people from voting for his opponents in Cuba's presidential elections? Oh, that's right, he never had any.

[XenonII]

Breaking News: Hussein quits the campaign trail after his grandmother is taken ill. That's the same grandmother he called a "typical white woman" because she had been/was a "racist" remember. Isn't that a racist remark, making a sweeping generalization like that? Or is it not racist when Blacks do it?

[Dr Adequate]

Ah yes...I wasn't evading seriously... I just kinda forgot about it! :o

Here's a few interesting stories, I'll keep searching & post as many links of liberals savaging Whites in the MSM as I can find...

CNN's Cafferty: Not Voting Obama? You're a Racist! (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/09/17/cnns-cafferty-not-voting-obama-youre-racist)

"...the country is filled with racists. Yes, folks, if you are voting against Obama (and no matter who or what you are actually supporting and why) it must be because you are a racist. It isn't because you stand against what Obama stands for, it has to be because you are a racist."

No doubt the country is filled with racists, and most of those have darker colored skin and vote Democrat. What about the 94%-98% of Negroes that are voting for the Magic Mulatto? Will the American-hating, Obama worshiping press ever report on that story? Don't hold your breath! The scores of Whites being harrassed and attacked by Blacks for being McCain/Palin supporters (hey just something i've heard...)? A media black out (no pun intended), just like when it comes to the media reporting on black crime.


Democrats accuse locals of being racist toward Obama (http://www.vindy.com/news/2008/sep/16/democrats-accuse-locals-of-being-racist-toward/)

Two local Democratic state legislators said they believe a main reason polls show a tight race is because of racist voters. “Race — that’s the only reason people in the Valley won’t vote for him,”

Yes...because there's no possible other reason why anyone would want to vote against Obama. I certainly can't think of any!

Girl called racist for wearing Palin t-shirt (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Politics/Detail;jsessionid=77F668AEEB79B432DE30B57582BB9821 ?contentId=7664724&version=11&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.14.1&sflg=1)

“She’s only 12 years old but Ashleigh Jones is feeling the heat of this election year. That’s because the seventh grader at New Smyrna Beach Middle School was called a racist by classmates for wearing a pro-Sarah Palin t-shirt.” And where were the teachers while this was going on? What color were the teachers? I think it’s a safe bet dozens of black children were wearing Obama T-shirts at that school, but of course blacks always get a double standard in the public schools."

Not just in the schools FOX News! Not just in the schools! EVERYWHERE else as well! Thank God for FOX News. At least one media outlet is reasonably fair and balanced and tells it like it is in today's America where Blacks are treated like royalty and Whites regulated to 2nd....no 3rd class status. To the liberal, anyone white voting for McCain = automatic racist!


Poll: Racial views steer some white Dems away from Obama (http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-race;_ylt=AhmpNBSLY_NxiDb7Ws8xWl.s0NUE)

Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks — many calling them "lazy," "violent," responsible for their own troubles.

Truth hurts, perhaps? Who makes up the largest demographic on welfare in disproportion to their numbers? Who makes up only 12% of the population but commits over 50% of the crime and composes 67% of the prison population? Whose always playing the race card?


Fidel Castro: Racism in US keeps many away from Obama (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93ON3T00&show_article=1)

The 82-year-old former Cuban dictator insists a "profound racism" exists in the U.S. and says it is "a miracle that the Democratic candidate hasn't suffered the same luck as Martin Luther King, Malcolm X and others who harbored dreams of equality and justice."

What a joke. What it is that kept people from voting for his opponents in Cuba's presidential elections? Oh, that's right, he never had any. You were asked to show that "ALL white democrats who support McCain are labeled as racists by the MSM".

None of these qualifies.

* Jack Cafferty of CNN was writing on a blog, not talking on the MSM, and of course he did not write the imaginary "quotation" that you attribute to him.

* "Two democratic state legislators" are not part of the MSM, nor do "people in the Valley" constitute all the white Democrats supporting McCain.

* Schoolchildren at New Smyrna Beach are not part of the MSM, nor does Ashleigh Jones constitute all the white Democrats supporting McCain.

* The people answering the AP poll were not the MSM, nor did they claim that all white democrats who support McCain are racists.

* Fidel Castro is not part of the MSM, nor did he claim that all white democrats who support McCain are racists.

You fail.

[Dr Adequate]

Breaking News: Hussein quits the campaign trail after his grandmother is taken ill. That's the same grandmother he called a "typical white woman" because she had been/was a "racist" No.