This is where David Wilson plays with himself

[RichardR]

Anyone who has been following “debates” with David Wilson knows that he does not like anyone disagreeing with him. His hatred of this seems almost pathological. If you look here you will see why. (http://pub63.ezboard.com/fthinkingandecologyforumfrm1)

This is David’s private discussion board. Private, in the sense that he only engages in his cut and paste debates with himself and his sock puppet David Uganda. Look at the long list of threads, most with one or two replies from just himself and his sock. You can see he’s not used to disagreements. And I think it really can be said that this is where he plays with himself. Because he play-debates with himself, and it is mental masturbation for him. Sad.

It’s a little different here, David. You see, we have more than two members on this board. And they’re allowed to disagree with you. So perhaps it’s time for you to run along back to your “Thinking and Ecology forum” where Mummy won’t let the big boys hurt you.

Btw everyone, have a look and see the next topics David is planning to bring here. For starters, I think he is in favor of naturopaths and against vaccinations. He should get on great with bigfig.

Edited to add: David has since restricted viewing of his "discussion" board. You have to "register" now to even view the cut-and-paste debates. :rolleyes:

[Blue Monk]

Who's David Wilson?

What member name does he post under here?

[RichardR]

Originally posted by Blue Monk
Who's David Wilson?

What member name does he post under here? He uses the name David Wilson. ;)

Have a look here (http://66.192.47.137/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11006) for a sample of his earth shattering genius.

[Blue Monk]

Hehe, well this guy is going to be entertaining.

I checked out his ‘debates’ (once I got past all of the pop-up ads).

There was once place (I should have copy and pasted it) where he claims that the smallpox vaccine has killed more than it saved! What kind of delusional crap is that?

There is no smallpox today. That seems to be a detail overlooked by this mighty brain, hehe.

[RichardR]

Originally posted by Blue Monk
Hehe, well this guy is going to be entertaining.

I checked out his ‘debates’ (once I got past all of the pop-up ads).

There was once place (I should have copy and pasted it) where he claims that the smallpox vaccine has killed more than it saved! What kind of delusional crap is that?

There is no smallpox today. That seems to be a detail overlooked by this mighty brain, hehe. I can't believe you haven't been exposed to David's cut and paste skills. Where have you been these last six weeks? ;)

For further entertainment, I recommend you visit David's first thread here. (http://66.192.47.137/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9695) Notice how sensitive he is to criticism (real and imaginary).

Also, scroll down a bit and you'll see this jem from him:

"As i'm a Taxi-Driver, i have the opportunity to speak to approx 4000 people a year, once i have acquired relative certainty, i'll share my findings with them..."

I guess we've all had the misfortune to meet taxi drivers like that. :D

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

What a long, strange forum that is.

~~ Paul

[American]

I'm strongly considering reporting him, but I don't know to whom. He basically made death threats against the president. I'm pretty sure that's breaking the law, even in Oz.

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by American
I'm strongly considering reporting him, but I don't know to whom. He basically made death threats against the president. I'm pretty sure that's breaking the law, even in Oz.

Where did i make death threats against the President you IDIOT?

Report whatever you want to whoever you want you stupid cow.

[David Wilson]

Description of Straw Man
The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.




In short, they were an example of the best way to treat employees.{Shell}

Shell didn’t make it that way, although perhaps they could have done better than they did. But doing business in that part of the world is not easy.

Shell’s policies are some of the best in the area.
. But let’s all bag on Shell. They’re the big bad evil corporation, right?

By Nigerians. Soldiers, most likely. But let’s blame Shell.


The morally bankrupt and intellectually bereft RichardR desparately tries to "get out" of being an apologist for Corporations who have been accused of involvment in killing and torture by calling on the strawman defense.

Yet a quick glance through his responses indicate that he does consider devastating people's lands as a necessity of doing business in a tough environment.

He dismisses 18 pages of information by Professor Chossodouskvy as irrational, and considers the investigative work of Project Underground as "anti corporate propaganda".
A protest by 300 000/500 000 people is dismissed as "an appeal to popularity"..LOLOLOL.

He also seems to think that David Suzuki is a multi-billionaire who can afford to risk publicly smearing a Billion Dollar Corp and not be subject to legal recourse, oh and Suzuki is just an appeal to authority.
He tries to displace blame from Shell{an identifiable corp} and place it onto the NNPC{an obscure corp}.

RichardR displays the typical traits of secular morality, {which is servicing the technological imperative}, whereby, torture and murder should be denounced but accepted as necessary due to the resistance of people who are suffering from the effects of implementing the technological imperative.

RichardR will probabaly add another "appeal to this or that "defense, accuse me of trolling, threaten to ignore me and report to moderator.

David Wilson.


EDIT

He's now gone completely insane, around the bend, i can't see him recovering.

[kookbreaker]

Originally posted by David Wilson

He's now gone completely insane, around the bend, i can't see him recovering.

Oh, do shut up little child.

[ImpyTimpy]

I don't get it... Dave seems to be against just about anything. Hell, even vaccinations are evil according to some ramblings on his message board..

Say Dave, have you been immunised as a child? If not, may I suggest getting a rusty knife and playing in some soil with it until you cut yourself? I'm sure exercise and diet will do wonders when you contract tetnus.

[kookbreaker]

Originally posted by ImpyTimpy
I don't get it... Dave seems to be against just about anything. Hell, even vaccinations are evil according to some ramblings on his message board..

He throws around the word "Biosociopath" a lot to cover the fact that he is himsself, a misanthrope.

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by kookbreaker

He throws around the word "Biosociopath" a lot to cover the fact that he is himsself, a misanthrope. [/B]

On the contrary nut, i dislike rude people, and don't waste much time with them.

Had you the decency, you could have determined that by examining my posts here.

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by ImpyTimpy
[Say Dave, have you been immunised as a child? If not, may I suggest getting a rusty knife and playing in some soil with it until you cut yourself? I'm sure exercise and diet will do wonders when you contract tetnus. [/B]

The key to health is maximizing cellular efficiency, the healthier the cells, the more resistant they are.

Cellular efficiency depends on a number of factors, but obvioulsy if circulation is pumping quality amounts of oxygen and nutrients, then the cells will thrive.
We are biologically adapted to most efficiently metabolise the chemicals of raw foods, particularly fruit and vege. When we consume and ingest other chemicals, we compromise our metabolic efficiency.

[kookbreaker]

Originally posted by David Wilson


On the contrary nut, i dislike rude people, and don't waste much time with them.

Had you the decency, you could have determined that by examining my posts here.

I have examined your posts and found them to be nothing but screed and whining. Your comment does not stand.

[kookbreaker]

Originally posted by David Wilson


The key to health is maximizing cellular efficiency, the healthier the cells, the more resistant they are.

Cellular efficiency depends on a number of factors, but obvioulsy if circulation is pumping quality amounts of oxygen and nutrients, then the cells will thrive.
We are biologically adapted to most efficiently metabolise the chemicals of raw foods, particularly fruit and vege. When we consume and ingest other chemicals, we compromise our metabolic efficiency.

Psuedo-scientific claptrap.

Somday I'm gonna get one of these "Raw Veggies" guys in the same room with a hardcore Atkins diet promoter and watch them have a big ol' slap fight.

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by kookbreaker


Psuedo-scientific claptrap.

You ignorant twit, give science and kookbreaking away, you're too dumb to know what's what.

[kookbreaker]

Originally posted by David Wilson


You ignorant twit, give science and kookbreaking away, you're too dumb to know what's what.

Give it a rest screed-boy. You're the last person to call others dumb.

[RichardR]

Originally posted by David Wilson


On the contrary nut, i dislike rude people, and don't waste much time with them.

Had you the decency, you could have determined that by examining my posts here. If you look here you can see who is rude. (http://pub4.ezboard.com/bcosmotheism.lockedDown) Another one of David Wilson's boards, that was shut down by the ISP:

system message
Banned and Locked Down!

(cosmotheism) has been locked down in accordance with ezboard's Terms of Use

Reason: Repeated violations of privacy and abusive posting.
He's a very naughty boy.

[ImpyTimpy]

First could you provide some scientific papers to show me that raw foods are metabolised the best and therefore provide maximum vitamins / proteins / carbohydrate mixtures? But before you do that could you address my actual point?

You mention vaccines are bad and the key to health is healthy living. I ask you, how do you propose the body gets rid of the tetnus infection and it's associated toxic side effects just through healthy living? I'm sure you KNOW that the toxic substances released by the tetnus bacteria work directly on the nervous system. I'm further sure you know that the body does not automatically know how to respond to these toxins or the infection itself. I'm sure you understand that vaccination provides the body with a blue print on how to defeat these things, therefore when exposure occurrs the body automatically initiates the appropriate immune response.

So how exactly is not vaccinating someone against tetnus and simply proving them with healthy living going to teach the body about tetnus toxins? Please, take your time.. You don't want to dig yourself into a deeper hole now do you?

Originally posted by David Wilson


The key to health is maximizing cellular efficiency, the healthier the cells, the more resistant they are.

Cellular efficiency depends on a number of factors, but obvioulsy if circulation is pumping quality amounts of oxygen and nutrients, then the cells will thrive.
We are biologically adapted to most efficiently metabolise the chemicals of raw foods, particularly fruit and vege. When we consume and ingest other chemicals, we compromise our metabolic efficiency.

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by ImpyTimpy
You mention vaccines are bad and the key to health is healthy living. I ask you, how do you propose the body gets rid of the tetnus infection and it's associated toxic side effects just through healthy living?

Dummy, the health status of the individual and his favourable biochemical indivduality are the major factors here, we already share symbiosis with many bacteria, and tetnus more commonly effects those over the age of 50, an age of declining health and immune strength. Any wound containing foreign material or devitalized tissue must be considered tetnus prone.
Many tetnus prone wounds can be converted to non-prone wounds by proper cleansing and debrigement.

3 refs for the above info, which you'll get in a month or so.




So how exactly is not vaccinating someone against tetnus and simply proving them with healthy living going to teach the body about tetnus toxins? Please, take your time.. You don't want to dig yourself into a deeper hole now do you?

I will explain this in tremendous detail at a later date, but not to an obnoxious imbecile like you.

[ImpyTimpy]

Originally posted by David Wilson

Dummy, the health status of the individual and his favourable biochemical indivduality are the major factors here, we already share symbiosis with many bacteria, and tetnus more commonly effects those over the age of 50, an age of declining health and immune strength.

I would like to see you back that tetnus effects people over 50 more commonly then other age groups Dave...

Also the symbiotic relationship with SOME bacteria has NO BEARING on tetnus however. Straw argument.


Any wound containing foreign material or devitalized tissue must be considered tetnus prone.
Many tetnus prone wounds can be converted to non-prone wounds by proper cleansing and debrigement.

Wow.. Please quote the reference to a medical journal which supports your utter garbage. I guess doctors shouldn't give antibiotics to halt infections from deep wounds, rather put the patients on a strict diet of raw food... :rolleyes:

Well Dave, please back your utter garbage up...

3 refs for the above info, which you'll get in a month or so.

Oh wait... You can't back it up... Carry on making things up. Australia needs more free-thinkers like you Dave. It makes the rest of us look a lot more clever. :)

I will explain this in tremendous detail at a later date, but not to an obnoxious imbecile like you.
Paul Bethke defence?

:rolleyes:

[American]

Merry Christmas.

[kookbreaker]

Originally posted by David Wilson

3 refs for the above info, which you'll get in a month or so.

I will explain this in tremendous detail at a later date, but not to an obnoxious imbecile like you.

Translation: My bluff has been called, so I'll stall and instul and hope they forget.

DWilson, you are a kook and a coward.

[RichardR]

Originally posted by kookbreaker


Translation: My bluff has been called, so I'll stall and instul and hope they forget.

DWilson, you are a kook and a coward. But not rude. On the contrary, he dislikes rude people, and doesn't waste much time with them. :D

[Blue Monk]

Originally posted by RichardR
But not rude. On the contrary, he dislikes rude people, and doesn't waste much time with them. :D

That's why I'm not posting, hehe.

But this is a very funny thread and I am enjoying it immensely.

Did you know that the US military now treats sucking chest wounds with a steady diet of cabbage and black-eyed peas?

Honest!

[Soapy Sam]

Hey American,

I'm pretty sure you were joking about the death threat to the president thing, but in case you weren't- the Secret Service is required to take all such threats very seriously. Some would say they take this to a ludicrous extent, but who knows? They are obliged to compile a file on anyone known to have made such a threat. If possible, they show up to visit every year or so. It's very tiresome for everyone involved, especially the agents who have better things to do with their time- like fighting computer crime and counterfeiters.

Don't report anyone to any authority on these grounds, unless you are genuinely concerned he is serious. Don't even think of doing so as a joke. Jokes like that have a habit of getting passed up the line till it gets to someone who responds. It really ain't worth the hassle it could cause.:cool:

[ImpyTimpy]

It's called the "Bethke Defence" or "Blind you next week Defence". It has been used by kooks throughout the history of human kind :D

Originally posted by kookbreaker


Translation: My bluff has been called, so I'll stall and instul and hope they forget.

DWilson, you are a kook and a coward.

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by RichardR
But not rude. On the contrary, he dislikes rude people, and doesn't waste much time with them. :


RICHARDR, I'VE EXPOSED YOU AS CLUELESS, AND YOU REACT BY SEARCHING CYBERSPACE IN A FAILED ATTEMPT TO SMEAR ME. ALL YOU'RE DOING IS PROVING HOW DESPARATE YOU ARE TO HAVE THIS POST IGNORED, AS THIS POST PROVES YOU AS BOTH STUPID AND MORALLY IRRELEVANT. BOTH YOU AND YOUR BOYFRIEND XGROPER HAVE SUFFERED AT MY HANDS, AS I TEACH YOU HOW TO THINK. HOW DO YOU REPAY ME, WITH A SMEAR CAMPAIGN

Description of Straw Man
The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.


In short, they were an example of the best way to treat employees.{Shell}

Shell didn’t make it that way, although perhaps they could have done better than they did. But doing business in that part of the world is not easy.

Shell’s policies are some of the best in the area.
. But let’s all bag on Shell. They’re the big bad evil corporation, right?

By Nigerians. Soldiers, most likely. But let’s blame Shell.





The morally bankrupt and intellectually bereft RichardR desparately tries to "get out" of being an apologist for Corporations who have been accused of involvment in killing and torture by calling on the strawman defense.

Yet a quick glance through his responses indicate that he does consider devastating people's lands as a necessity of doing business in a tough environment.

He dismisses 18 pages of information by Professor Chossodouskvy as irrational, and considers the investigative work of Project Underground as "anti corporate propaganda".
A protest by 300 000/500 000 people is dismissed as "an appeal to popularity"..LOLOLOL.

He also seems to think that David Suzuki is a multi-billionaire who can afford to risk publicly smearing a Billion Dollar Corp and not be subject to legal recourse, oh and Suzuki is just an appeal to authority.
He tries to displace blame from Shell{an identifiable corp} and place it onto the NNPC{an obscure corp}.

RichardR displays the typical traits of secular morality, {which is servicing the technological imperative}, whereby, torture and murder should be denounced but accepted as necessary due to the resistance of people who are suffering from the effects of implementing the technological imperative.

RichardR will probabaly add another "appeal to this or that "defense, accuse me of trolling, threaten to ignore me and report to moderator.

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by American
Merry Christmas.

HURRY UP AND REPORT ME YOU STUPID COW...LOLOLOL

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by ImpyTimpy


Any wound containing foreign material or devitalized tissue must be considered tetnus prone.
Many tetnus prone wounds can be converted to non-prone wounds by proper cleansing and debrigement.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Wow.. Please quote the reference to a medical journal which supports your utter garbage. I guess doctors shouldn't give antibiotics to halt infections from deep wounds, rather put the patients on a strict diet of raw food...

Well Dave, please back your utter garbage up...


One reference for this idiot...P.A.Skudder and J.R McCarrol, "Current Status of Tetnus Control,"..JOURNAL of the AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION 188{1964}:625-627; cited by Randall Neustaedter, The Immunization Decision{Berkley, CA, North Atlantic Books,1990}, page 36.


I WILL GIVE YOU THE REST WHEN I'M READY YOU IMBECILE.

[RichardR]

Originally posted by David Wilson



RICHARDR, I'VE EXPOSED YOU AS CLUELESS, AND YOU REACT BY SEARCHING CYBERSPACE IN A FAILED ATTEMPT TO SMEAR ME. ALL YOU'RE DOING IS PROVING HOW DESPARATE YOU ARE TO HAVE THIS POST IGNORED, AS THIS POST PROVES YOU AS BOTH STUPID AND MORALLY IRRELEVANT. BOTH YOU AND YOUR BOYFRIEND XGROPER HAVE SUFFERED AT MY HANDS, AS I TEACH YOU HOW TO THINK. HOW DO YOU REPAY ME, WITH A SMEAR CAMPAIGN

(snip)

RichardR will probabaly add another "appeal to this or that "defense, accuse me of trolling, threaten to ignore me and report to moderator.

http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/happy/roflmao.gif

[ImpyTimpy]

Visit here:
http://www.cdc.gov/health/default.htm

And scroll down to tetanus. They give a very nice, easy to read description of Tetanus. Just in case it's still to hard for you to read, they are CLEARLY stating cleaning the wound is NOT enough.

Your vast amount of proof seems revolve around a few books written by pseudo-experts citing select bits from medical journals, so you might wish to try harder to back your kooky claims up.

Originally posted by David Wilson

One reference for this idiot...P.A.Skudder and J.R McCarrol, "Current Status of Tetnus Control,"..JOURNAL of the AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION 188{1964}:625-627; cited by Randall Neustaedter, The Immunization Decision{Berkley, CA, North Atlantic Books,1990}, page 36.


I WILL GIVE YOU THE REST WHEN I'M READY YOU IMBECILE.

[xouper]

David Wilson: RICHARDR, I'VE EXPOSED YOU AS CLUELESS, AND YOU REACT BY SEARCHING CYBERSPACE IN A FAILED ATTEMPT TO SMEAR ME. ALL YOU'RE DOING IS PROVING HOW DESPARATE YOU ARE TO HAVE THIS POST IGNORED, AS THIS POST PROVES YOU AS BOTH STUPID AND MORALLY IRRELEVANT. BOTH YOU AND YOUR BOYFRIEND XGROPER HAVE SUFFERED AT MY HANDS, AS I TEACH YOU HOW TO THINK. HOW DO YOU REPAY ME, WITH A SMEAR CAMPAIGN

RichardR: http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/happy/roflmao.gifAs you know, I have Mr. Wilson on ignore, for obvious reasons, which you again confirm here by quoting him. Clearly he needs a nap, before he blows a gasket.

[ImpyTimpy]

He's blown a gasket a long time ago methinks.

Originally posted by xouper
As you know, I have Mr. Wilson on ignore, for obvious reasons, which you again confirm here by quoting him. Clearly he needs a nap, before he blows a gasket.

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by ImpyTimpy

Your vast amount of proof seems revolve around a few books written by pseudo-experts citing select bits from medical journals, so you might wish to try harder to back your kooky claims up.



Impy you wimpy moron, where are you from Sydney?, you arrogant prick.

I have plenty of info, including from the Cumulated Medicus Index, but i'll be posting it when i want, not when you want you impatient fool.

Go and exchange cyber with XGROPER and RR{both are sexually active with each other}.

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by xouper
As you know, I have Mr. Wilson on ignore, for obvious reasons, which you again confirm here by quoting him. Clearly he needs a nap, before he blows a gasket.

Then stop making threads about me you nut, i'm not interested in you sexually, do you understand, NO means NO, stop stalking me.

[PixyMisa]

Originally posted by David Wilson
RICHARDR, I'VE EXPOSED YOU AS CLUELESS, AND YOU REACT BY SEARCHING CYBERSPACE IN A FAILED ATTEMPT TO SMEAR ME. ALL YOU'RE DOING IS PROVING HOW DESPARATE YOU ARE TO HAVE THIS POST IGNORED, AS THIS POST PROVES YOU AS BOTH STUPID AND MORALLY IRRELEVANT. BOTH YOU AND YOUR BOYFRIEND XGROPER HAVE SUFFERED AT MY HANDS, AS I TEACH YOU HOW TO THINK. HOW DO YOU REPAY ME, WITH A SMEAR CAMPAIGN

(snip)

RichardR will probabaly add another "appeal to this or that "defense, accuse me of trolling, threaten to ignore me and report to moderator.
Ah yes, the common logical fallacy of Appeal to Capslock.

[BrotherBluto]

Damn this is funny.

[Skeptical Greg]

I thought I would bring the thrust of Mr. Wilson's intellect into one, easy to read anthology.



Where did i make death threats against the President you IDIOT

The morally bankrupt and intellectually bereft RichardR

You ignorant twit, give science and kookbreaking away, you're too dumb to know what's what

Dummy, the health status ........

...but not to an obnoxious imbecile like you

HURRY UP AND REPORT ME YOU STUPID COW

I WILL GIVE YOU THE REST WHEN I'M READY YOU IMBECILE

Impy you wimpy moron, where are you from Sydney?, you arrogant prick

turds of a feather stuck together..HAHAHAHAAH.

GROW UP YOU LOT, YOU CAN HAVE THIS FOOLISH THREAD FOR YOUR INANE AMUSEMENT, I'M NOT GOING TO RESPOND TO 20 MORDANT IMBECILES.

I thought this would add a bit of contrast 12/20/02
" ...What i'm teaching is manners and comprehension "

.....continuing
What you idiots can't seem to fathom is that i'm not desperate for your attention, as much as it might surprise you, i barely give a **** what fools think about me in "real life".

AGAIN IDIOT, i'm against the excesses..

Pissant, i already have more than enough material possessions

You are nothing but a dumb Aussie.

I could be wrong, but i'm not dispensing ANY medical advice idiot, only lifestyle alterations, get it idiot.

I don't give out medical advice idiot






This will be updated from time to time in the interest of accuracy.


Interesting, how this is fullfilling an earlier observation I made:


I'm trying to picture Robert Dinero driving around in his Hack, talking to people about ' The uneccessary emmision of greenhouse gases", and blowing their asses away if he can't get a commitment from them to stop using hair dryers and eating beans.
It's much easier to picture now, Mohawk haircut and all..:D

[kookbreaker]

Originally posted by ImpyTimpy
He's blown a gasket a long time ago methinks.



He had a gasket?

[Valmorian]

Wow, that guy is certifiable. You don't usually see the kooks explode so soon.

[RichardR]

Originally posted by BrotherBluto
Damn this is funny. Yes, this is one of the funnier threads around, isn’t it? I’m quite proud of it, actually. It’s certainly giving me a good laugh.

And Diogenes - good work. This could rival "The Wit and Wisdom of bigfig"!

[BrotherBluto]

This kind of harkens back to the first days of Bethke, when I would log in every morning to see what he would come up with next. Better than reading PvP (http://www.pvponline.com/index.php3) every day.

Alas, unlike PvP--this will probably get old like Bethke in a few days.

Oh, another thing that makes this thread amusing is the fact that my girlfriend used to date a guy in Australia who was apparently pretty stupid. It's got me chuckling.

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by BrotherBluto

Oh, another thing that makes this thread amusing is the fact that my girlfriend used to date a guy in Australia who was apparently pretty stupid. It's got me chuckling.

Must have been from Sidney..

No, wait, that was ' arrogant '..

Was he ' stupid ' and ' arrogant '?

[BrotherBluto]

Originally posted by Diogenes


Must have been from Sidney..

No, wait, that was ' arrogant '..

Was he ' stupid ' and ' arrogant '?

I think he was from Adelaide. "Alcoholic" and "stupid", but not "Arrogant", though :)

[Blue Monk]

I still think you are all being very intolerant with this guy.

I have no doubt that you can cure a traumatic head injury with lima beans and prunes. Honest!

Can you prove you can’t? Huh? Huh? Well can you?

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Blue Monk
I still think you are all being very intolerant with this guy.

I have no doubt that you can cure a traumatic head injury with lima beans and prunes. Honest!

Can you prove you can’t? Huh? Huh? Well can you?


I believe you are describing the practice of, re-directing the focus of one's complaint.

I fully concur with the prescription of lima beans and prunes.

[Blue Monk]

Originally posted by Diogenes



I believe you are describing the practice of, re-directing the focus of one's complaint.

I fully concur with the prescription of lima beans and prunes.

I am?

I mean.. uh... yeah that's right. That's what I'm doing.

Don't get me started on parsley.

[Skeptoid]

This thread's a riot, alright. Makes me wonder how entertaining Carl*s Sw*tt might have been with a short temper and a foul mouth. :rolleyes: :D

[Plutarck]

Originally posted by Blue Monk
I still think you are all being very intolerant with this guy.

I have no doubt that you can cure a traumatic head injury with lima beans and prunes. Honest!

Can you prove you can’t? Huh? Huh? Well can you?

How far can we shove the prunes?

Given sufficient lattitude (and leverage), I'm sure I could "cure" a traumatic head injury with just about anything.

[Mr. Skinny]

If there was a threat made to the President, simply notify Hal Bidlack. As a Lt. Col. in the Air Force, he is required by regulation to report it to the AF OSI.

[Blue Monk]

Originally posted by Plutarck


How far can we shove the prunes?

Given sufficient lattitude (and leverage), I'm sure I could "cure" a traumatic head injury with just about anything.

LOL!

There's a mental image I could have lived without. :)

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by RichardR
Anyone who has been following “debates” with David Wilson knows that he does not like anyone disagreeing with him. His hatred of this seems almost pathological. If you look here you will see why. (http://pub63.ezboard.com/fthinkingandecologyforumfrm1)

snip snip....


The site can no longer be viewed without registering...

If you can't stand the heat, padlock the kitchen..:D

[xouper]

Diogenes: The site can no longer be viewed without registering... If you can't stand the heat, padlock the kitchen..:D Perhaps it could be considered self-censorship in action, in that he voluntarily reduced the size of his audience. Imagine if other kooks took their nonsense private whenever someone poked fun at them.

[ImpyTimpy]

That doesn't make sense... In order to reduce an audience one must first have the said audience. If memory serves correctly the site contained David talking to himself a lot.

Originally posted by xouper
Perhaps it could be considered self-censorship in action, in that he voluntarily reduced the size of his audience. Imagine if other kooks took their nonsense private whenever someone poked fun at them.

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by ImpyTimpy
That doesn't make sense... In order to reduce an audience one must first have the said audience. If memory serves correctly the site contained David talking to himself a lot.




Methinks it was a 'seeding' operation that never took root.

It brought us some joy though..:D

[Plutarck]

Originally posted by xouper
Perhaps it could be considered self-censorship in action, in that he voluntarily reduced the size of his audience. Imagine if other kooks took their nonsense private whenever someone poked fun at them.

Would that such an example was followed more widely....

[xouper]

Diogenes: The site can no longer be viewed without registering... If you can't stand the heat, padlock the kitchen.. :D

xouper: Perhaps it could be considered self-censorship in action, in that he voluntarily reduced the size of his audience. Imagine if other kooks took their nonsense private whenever someone poked fun at them.

ImpyTimpy: That doesn't make sense... In order to reduce an audience one must first have the said audience. If memory serves correctly the site contained David talking to himself a lot.Well, if you don't count all the people who went there just to read the Wisdom of Wilson, then I guess you're right, he didn't have much "audience".

[RichardR]

Originally posted by Diogenes



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If you can't stand the heat, padlock the kitchen..:D Told you his Mummy would lock the door to keep the bad boys out. WIMP!

Bwaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[RichardR]

Originally posted by xouper
Perhaps it could be considered self-censorship in action, in that he voluntarily reduced the size of his audience. Down to two (including himself).

Hahahaha

Hahahaha

Hahahaha

Hahahaha

[Blue Monk]

Originally posted by RichardR
Down to two (including himself).

Hahahaha

Hahahaha

Hahahaha

Hahahaha

I don't know which is sadder.

Him debating himself or

the fact he was losing.

[David Wilson]

I love it, all the trolls invading this thread and exposing themselves...turds of a feather stuck together..HAHAHAHAAH.

GROW UP YOU LOT, YOU CAN HAVE THIS FOOLISH THREAD FOR YOUR INANE AMUSEMENT, I'M NOT GOING TO RESPOND TO 20 MORDANT IMBECILES.

ENJOY YOUR GIGGLING.

[Blue Monk]

Originally posted by David Wilson
I love it, all the trolls invading this thread and exposing themselves...turds of a feather stuck together..HAHAHAHAAH.

GROW UP YOU LOT, YOU CAN HAVE THIS FOOLISH THREAD FOR YOUR INANE AMUSEMENT, I'M NOT GOING TO RESPOND TO 20 MORDANT IMBECILES.

ENJOY YOUR GIGGLING.

Oh my!

Your verbal barrage has left me reeling. I probably could have weathered your stinging rebuttal were it not for your masterful use of caps.

Go eat some spinach.

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by Blue Monk
[B]

Oh my!

Your verbal barrage has left me reeling.
Go eat some spinach.

I don't find you offensive Blue Monk, so could you please leave this thread.

[Blue Monk]

Originally posted by David Wilson


I don't find you offensive Blue Monk, so could you please leave this thread.

I couldn't care less.

To me you're just fruitcake #1456.

Do you really believe that the smallpox vacine killed more than it saved?

Just curious, where did you get your medical degree?

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by Blue Monk


I couldn't care less.

To me you're just fruitcake #1456.



Ok nut, i understand you now.

[Blue Monk]

Originally posted by David Wilson


Ok nut, i understand you now.

I love it when people selectively quote me. Omissions can be very revealing.

You're assertion on your 'forum' that the smallpox vaccine killed more people than it saved is such laughable hogwash that the only question remaining for me is whether you are delusional or a con-man.

I'm curious, when you debate yourself on your forum do you use little hand puppets to make it more fun?

[RichardR]

Originally posted by Blue Monk
To David Wilson:
I'm curious, when you debate yourself on your forum do you use little hand puppets to make it more fun? Blue Monk, you and Diogenes must be competing for comic of the year award. LMAO! :D

[Blue Monk]

Originally posted by RichardR
Blue Monk, you and Diogenes must be competing for comic of the year award. LMAO! :D

Hehe, not competing with but inspired by.

After all, who doesn't love a boy scout.

And I don't mean that in a Catholic priest sort of way either.

[heath]

:eek:

Serious Mental Illness Alert

Get some help Dave. You're a bit loopy mate.

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by David Wilson
I love it, all the trolls invading this thread and exposing themselves...turds of a feather stuck together..HAHAHAHAAH.

GROW UP YOU LOT, YOU CAN HAVE THIS FOOLISH THREAD FOR YOUR INANE AMUSEMENT, I'M NOT GOING TO RESPOND TO 20 MORDANT IMBECILES.

ENJOY YOUR GIGGLING.

And David reveals his math skills.

There are probably no more than 5 or 6 of us 'MORDANT IMBECILES'.. This of course does
not take into account how many times you counted yourself.

We can't wait for David Uganda to show up.

[kookbreaker]

Originally posted by David Wilson


Ok nut, i understand you now.

You're not very good at this.

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by Blue Monk
[You're assertion on your 'forum' that the smallpox vaccine killed more people than it saved is such laughable hogwash that the only question remaining for me is whether you are delusional or a con-man.

]

I think you're refering to this,

The compulsory vaccination law was abolished in 1948

Why was the compulsory vaccine law abolished?

I'm neither delusional nor a con-man, but you're likely quite naive.





Since Edward Jenner of England in 1796 demonstrated the use of cowpo vaccine aginst smallpox, vaccinations against smallpox were started. Despite this a smallpox epidemic swept England in 1839 and killed 22 081 people. The Government in 1853 made smallpox vaccinations compulsory, but the incidence of the disease kept increasing, and in 1872 another epidemic killed 44 840 people, most of whom were vaccinated.

The compulsory vaccination law was abolished in 1948. Similar disasters occured inGermany and Japan but possibly the worst wa sin the Philippines in 1918 when the Us Government forced over 3 million natives to be vaccinated. Of these, 47 369 came down with smallpox and 16 477 died. In 1919 the program was doubled, and over 7 million were vaccinated, of whom 65 180 came down with it, andd 44 408 died.

The epidemic was a direct result of the vaccination program.
These facts are described by Dr William F.Koch in his book, The Survival Factors in Neoplastic and Viral Disease{1961}.
Dr Koch further described the disasterous increase in polio incidence in the USA and Canada following the mass inocculation campaign against polio in 1958. the highest increase was 700% in Ottawa, Canada.

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by heath
:eek:

Serious Mental Illness Alert

Get some help Dave. You're a bit loopy mate.

Heath, i'm glad you worship Diogenes3, are you intimately involved?

[Mr. Turquoise]

Mr. Wilson,

Of course, I certainly do not wish to get into a name-calling match with you, but I would like to offer some insight into mass immunization programs.

An article on the New Scientist website talks about the potential risks of the current American plan to immunize its citizens can be viewed here. (http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993194)

In addition, an overview of the modern smallpox vaccine can be found on the CDC website. (http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/smallpox/vaccination/facts.asp)

The biggest problem with any mass immunization program is monitoring those inidviduals immunized. It is very difficult to effectively monitor 100 people, let alone 7 million. The data cited in your references focuses on programs that were carried out over 45 years ago. Considering the oftentimes dramatic advances in Medicine and Biosciences, even in the last 5 years, I would propose that indivduals would now be better educated as to potential dangers, and medical facilities would now be much better equipped to quickly treat any individuals exhibiting life-threatening side effects.

I'm afraid that at present, there is absolutely no better way to guard against these types of illness. Nutrition certainly strengthens your immune system, but it does not "train" it to recognize potential threats - only actual exposure to antigens does that. When you also take into account the fact that smallpox and polio are both VERY lethal diseases, I would have to say that the benefits far outweigh the risks.

Mr. Turquoise

[BrotherBluto]

Originally posted by David Wilson

...possibly the worst wa sin the Philippines in 1918 when the Us Government forced over 3 million natives to be vaccinated. Of these, 47 369 came down with smallpox and 16 477 died. In 1919 the program was doubled, and over 7 million were vaccinated, of whom 65 180 came down with it, andd 44 408 died.

The epidemic was a direct result of the vaccination program.


David,

I admit that I haven't read the study you mentioned, which is why I ask the following question: is it possible that there were other factors involved which could explain the apparent paradox above? For example, were there changes in environment that could have exposed a greater portion of the population to disease vectors, resulting in a higher number of deaths despite the program? The data you present above seem to speak for itself, but without the complete picture it's hard to accept your conclusion that the epidemic was a direct result of the program.

[xouper]

BrotherBluto: The facts above seem to speak for themselves, but without comprehensive data it's hard to accept the conclusion that the epidemic was a direct result of the program. I've discovered, as have others, that if it was posted by Mr. Wilson, the "facts" are immediately suspect and should be independently verified before being accepted as accurate. Caveat Emptor.

[Skeptical Greg]

Mr. Wilson,

Don't take off your research hat just yet.


Tell us; how many people have died from smallpox and polio in the U.S. in the last 40 years?


Tell us why a foremost U.S. charitable organization, known as " The March of Dimes " had to come up with a new disease to sponsor, or go out of business.

Tell us why you have to dig up 50+ year old data to support your contentions.


Are we to believe that people have just been doing a better job of eating their veggies in the last 50 years?


It's obvious to everyone but you that the opposite is true. (concerning the veggie thing)


Wake up.

You seriously need to consider talking to your healthcare provider, about increasing the dose, of whatever it is, that is suppose to control your delusions.

[BrotherBluto]

Originally posted by xouper
I've discovered, as have others, that if it was posted by Mr. Wilson, the "facts" are immediately suspect and should be independently verified before being accepted as accurate. Caveat Emptor.

Good point, duly edited.

BrotherB

[kookbreaker]

Originally posted by BrotherBluto


David,

I admit that I haven't read the study you mentioned, which is why I ask the following question: is it possible that there were other factors involved which could explain the apparent paradox above? For example, were there changes in environment that could have exposed a greater portion of the population to disease vectors, resulting in a higher number of deaths despite the program? The data you present above seem to speak for itself, but without the complete picture it's hard to accept your conclusion that the epidemic was a direct result of the program.

These stories are popular one amongst vaccination liars. They ignore the massive reductions such as in , Finland (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=6383886&dopt=Abstract) Glasgow (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8658120&dopt=Abstract) , and London (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8658120&dopt=Abstract). THese are massive success stories repeated over and over, to fight it the vaccine haters find a story pratically from the 19th century.

What goes unnoticed by DW with his Phillipines story is that the span of vaccination he mentions is very short. Barely starting in 1905 and being measured in 1918. What he fails to mention is how smallpox was severely on the wane afterwords. This is basicly lying with numbers from a country whose records and culture were not exactly tip-top.

His Londond story is pathetic. The claim that "almost all were vaccinated" is a false assumption. There were breakouts amonst the "vaccinated" from time to time becuase cowpox vaccine of the time had no preservative. Thus rendering the vaccine useless.

I would remind Davey Boy that Smallpox didn't just go away on its own.

[Blue Monk]

Let's all help David Wilson into the 21st Century.

The information he provided above is attributed to Dr William F. Koch in his book, The Survival Factors in Neoplastic andViral Disease{1961}

So I decided to do a little research on the Koch character and he is indeed the darling of the lunatic fringe. Do a google search if you don't believe me.

Now I know what you're thinking, but Blue Monk, that work is over 40 years old, how seriously can we take it?

Well if you think it is 40 years old you are wrong, it is more like 75 years old based on research from the turn of the century.

The above passage attributed to Dr. Koch is actually from an article by Walter S. Hadwen M.D. described as "a passionate opponent of Jennerian smallpox vaccination in England around 1900."

It is from an article published in a magazine called 'Truth' in 1923!

Anyone wishing to read this tripe in it's entirety can do so here.

K.N.O.W. Vaccines
Vaccine Awareness of Florida
Sanitation Vs. Vaccination
The Origin of Smallpox (http://www.know-vaccines.org/smallpox.html) by Walter S. Hadwen M.D.

Holy Cow! I hate to tell you David but medicine has made wonderful advancements in the past 100 freakin' years.

It is amazing how one quack's work can get repeated over the years while all succeeding information to the contrary is completely ignored. It's a case of finding that one stupid reference that supports your claim and never letting it go, no matter what.

Let's just overlook that insignificant detail that the smallpox vaccine, since Dr. Hadwen wrote his article, has completely eradicated smallpox. A minor detail of little concern to the mighty mind of David Wilson.

Now if anyone is foolish enough to want seek information from this millennium I would suggest these articles from the American Medical News concerning the risks of the smallpox vaccine.

From the American Medical News:

Prudent to test smallpox vaccine in kids? (http://www.ama-assn.org/sci-pubs/amnews/pick_02/hlsc1202.htm)
By Susan J. Landers, AMNews staff. Dec. 2, 2002.
Potential adverse reactions from the smallpox vaccine range from fever to tissue necrosis and extensive lesions to encephalitis. A likely death rate of one per 1 million vaccinations was established by the CDC.

Smallpox vaccine hazards dictate cautious approach (http://www.ama-assn.org/sci-pubs/amnews/pick_02/hlsb0819.htm)
By Susan J. Landers, AMNews staff. Aug. 19, 2002.

Smallpox vaccine: Balancing the benefits and the risks (http://www.ama-assn.org/sci-pubs/amnews/pick_01/hlsb1112.htm)
By Susan J. Landers, AMNews staff. Nov. 12, 2001.

Smallpox vaccine still a safety, liability concern (http://www.ama-assn.org/sci-pubs/amnews/pick_02/hlsa1111.htm)
By Susan J. Landers, AMNews staff. Nov. 11, 2002.

Slap my face and call me Shirley but I believe I'll put my faith in the 21st Century medical community as opposed to a turn of the century quack.

[RichardR]

David Wilson

I appreciate your continued attempts to amuse the regulars here at JREF. I do, really I do. In fact, you’ve given me some of the biggest laughs I’ve ever had in over a year on this board. But you’re style is getting a bit stale; it’s time to move it up a notch.

Now, I’m not saying that you should be able to come out with anything like the genius of the posts below. Not yet anyway. But I believe it is something you might aspire to. You might just have something like this in you; after all, you both share the same views on vaccinations and modern medicines. And you both appear to be, how shall I say, psychologically challenged. So by way of inspiration, I present just a small sample of the wit and wisdom of bigfig. Go for it big boy – show us what you can do:



DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT AND DAMMIT TO HELL!

WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP SAYING I GET ANGRY ALL THE TIME??????? NO I DON'T!

OH MY GOD THAT MAKES ME SO MAD

I never called names, never threw taunts

Humans have two kidneys. Not necessarily so! My grandfather was born with one kidney!

And most of all those glib remarks you made that took up 100 trillion pixels was nothing more than BLAH BLAH BLAH...ARGUE ARGUE ARGUE...BLAH BLAH BLAH

Foot stomping, name calling, arrogant rants from spoiled brats

Had I been treated with civility from the beginning NO ONE WOULD HAVE SEEN ANY CAPS.

Butter is 100 times better for you than margarine (which is chemically comparable to pantyhose)

As for euthanasia, I've heard it's already practiced in Germany, though I can't validate this right now I wouldn't doubt it.

They use the gluten from oatmeal in wallpaper paste!

You are a bigger idiot and ten times sicker than I thought you were.

You’re worse than a hemorrhoid

If your intent is to sound like a willfully ignorant, antagonistic, foolish jack ass, congratulations.

I apologize for assuming you had an IQ out of the double digits

The only thing we might call a "myth" here is the myth is that you know what the hell you're talking about

Asanine, (sic) foolish, unfound (sic) jr. high school drivel

You are exhibiting the behavior of a paranoid schizophrenic

You are either delusional or a slanderous liar

Milk leaches calcium from your bones

These beaurocracies (sic) LOVE disease and sickness

If you choose to have your child injected with monkey pus because Big Brother tells you it's good for him/her then you go right ahead

CALL THIS MAN AT 1PM EST TOMORROW AND ASK HIM ABOUT THE ECONOMIC SITUATION OF THE WORKING CLASS PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY!!!

IF YOU THINK IT'S HEALTHY TO CRAM YOUR FACE WITH MARGARINE GO AHEAD ANYONEWITH NO MORE SENSE THAN YOU APPARENTLY HAVE DESERVES TO FALL INTO THE TRAP OF THE LYING MARGARINE COMPANIES.

IF IT WAS DOCUMENTED IN SOME SCIENTIFIC JOURNAL YOU SHOULD DRINK DONKEY PISS AND EAT CHICKEN **** YOU'D DO IT.

My nephew had the hell vaccinated out of him, he still got the measles

I'll bet you are one of the many humans who rave about humane treatment of animals then sit down to a big juicy hamburger from a whitewashed slaughterhouse down the street and out of sight.

This is supposed to allay any fears a parent has about injecting your child with aborted fetus' and/or monkey pus, formaldehyde and mercury

The Illuminati keeps pulling the wool over peoples' eyes and they keep falling for whatever they are fed

[ImpyTimpy]

Holy sh*t.. The guy is completely unstable.. Arguing with him is a laugh, that's a given, but I'd hate to see how he behaves in day to day life...

Dave, you don't own any guns now do you?

Originally posted by RichardR
David Wilson

I appreciate your continued attempts to amuse the regulars here at JREF. I do, really I do. In fact, you’ve given me some of the biggest laughs I’ve ever had in over a year on this board. But you’re style is getting a bit stale; it’s time to move it up a notch.

Now, I’m not saying that you should be able to come out with anything like the genius of the posts below. Not yet anyway. But I believe it is something you might aspire to. You might just have something like this in you; after all, you both share the same views on vaccinations and modern medicines. And you both appear to be, how shall I say, psychologically challenged. So by way of inspiration, I present just a small sample of the wit and wisdom of bigfig. Go for it big boy – show us what you can do:


[snipped crazed ramblings of David]

[Soubrette]

Originally posted by ImpyTimpy
Holy sh*t.. The guy is completely unstable.. Arguing with him is a laugh, that's a given, but I'd hate to see how he behaves in day to day life...

Dave, you don't own any guns now do you?



ahem - that's Bigfig's wit and wisdom Timpy not David's :)

And Richard you missed off my favourite two:

One saying how quiet, polite and shy she was, nicely juxtapositioned with the savage killing of a snake in her back garden.

Can you post those two?

Pretty pretty please?

Sou

[RichardR]

Originally posted by Soubrette


ahem - that's Bigfig's wit and wisdom Timpy not David's :)

And Richard you missed off my favourite two:

One saying how quiet, polite and shy she was, nicely juxtapositioned with the savage killing of a snake in her back garden.

Can you post those two?

Pretty pretty please?

Sou You mean these:

“The nasty little thing coiled around and started striking at me when I looked down to inspect it. I took a stick and beat him to a pulp”

“Guess I showed that snake who was the better debater that day”

“I'm one of the most humble, shy and selfless people they know”


Actually, this is one of my favorites:

“Those words are worth about 10 stabs in the face with an icepick, then shoving that icepick under a couple of this loser's toenails and then ripping the beating heart out of his ribcage and throwing it on the floor and stomping on it until he dies”

Although it is hard to choose. The whole thing is 12 pages in Word, and they were all posted within a six week period in Jan and Feb 2002.

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by Mr. Turquoise Mr. Wilson,

Of course, I certainly do not wish to get into a name-calling match with you, but I would like to offer some insight into mass immunization programs.


Mr. Turquoise

Mr Turquiose.

You may have noticed i've been inundated with responses and information to respond to, as i anticipated would have happened.

This is why i have mentioned numerous times that any serious foruming relating to the efficacy of Western Medicine, will be undertaken in the new Yr, and only with those who are polite and reasonable.

You have been polite and reasonable, and in the New Yr, you can repeat your post in a thread which i devote to the Fraud of Immunization, and other threads highlighting the conmen of the Oncology profession.
I added that tidbit of Immunization info to ward off the accusations of my being a conman, i didn't add it to engulf myself in a time consuming thread, for which i haven't the time...or desire at this "time" of year.

Look forward to reasonable and affable discussions with you.

David Wilson.

[David Wilson]

NUTS, TROLLS AND IMBECILES

What you idiots can't seem to fathom is that i'm not desperate for your attention, as much as it might surprise you, i barely give a **** what fools think about me in "real life".

Any elaborating i do is to people i consider reasonable{see post to Mr Turquiose, and 20+ posts to Tricky}, other posts are either time passing inane crap which mildly amuses me, correcting and exposing nonsense, or posts such as this which is of a teacher-student relationship.

What i'm teaching is manners and comprehension...leading to the codifing of information into proper knowledge, who i'm teaching is under-employed, over-educated nits who haven't got a clue.

Let me explain something quite simple...if a thread i do on any subject{which you ignorantly deem absurd}, is bombarded by idiots, it is reduced to discursive nonsense, it loses its value and coherency. Despite the obviousness of that, you imbeciles DEMAND that i answer millions of questions and read multiple links.

I have no control over the moderation of this dump, so i can only appeal to your maturity and wisdom{laughing uncontrolably, almost aspirating vomitus}.
You idiots will be spending months apologizing to me when i expose the blatant madness of Western Medicine{oddly enough a scientific discipline relying heavily on reductionism}.


Did you get all that?, can your professor do all that?

David Truth.

[Blue Monk]

Originally posted by David Wilson
NUTS, TROLLS AND IMBECILES

Translation: Anyone who disagrees with you. I'll assume I am included.

Originally posted by David Wilson
What you idiots can't seem to fathom is that i'm not desperate for your attention, as much as it might surprise you, i barely give a **** what fools think about me in "real life".


Then you certainly won't mind me voicing my opinion then.

When it comes to fruitcakes or conmen, whichever you turn out to be, you are the lowest of the low.

You offer erroneous medical 'advice.' You seem to feel that even though you have no medical degree yourself (I'm assuming) you are smarter than the united medical community consisting of the finest minds in that field.

Oh no, you are much smarter. Why should we believe some idiot who spent years of his or her life studying medicine to get his or her degree, spent countless hours performing tedious research and is in agreement with the entire medical community when we've been blessed with radiating genius of David Wilson who can make absurd claims such as the smallpox vaccine has killed more than it saved based on a 40 year-old book that references a 75 year-old article based on 100 year-old research.

Hmmm, who to choose?

When it comes to the smallpox vaccine I believe I'll put my faith in the medical community that consists of the dedicated men and women who studied and worked so hard to eradicate smallpox from the face of the Earth.

But perhaps I am being unfair. Maybe if you were to list the diseases you have eradicated I might change my opinion.

Of course, the fact that dispensing erroneous medical advice could have dire consequences to anyone foolish enough to follow it seems to be of little concern as your obviously burgeoning ego does not seem to allow for the possibility that you could be in error. No that would be silly to think that David Wilson could be wrong. What do all of those doctors know?

It is probably just as well you are not concerned with my opinion of you as I've made clear already I think you are the lowest of the low. Your foolish medical advice threatens the health, and possibly life, of anyone who might forego competent medical advice in favor of your silly self-serving babble.

Originally posted by David Wilson
Any elaborating i do is to people i consider reasonable{see post to Mr Turquiose, and 20+ posts to Tricky}, other posts are either time passing inane crap which mildly amuses me, correcting and exposing nonsense, or posts such as this which is of a teacher-student relationship.


Ah, there's that winning David Wilson ego we are all growing so fond of. Do enlighten us oh great bearer of the truth.

You know, guys, maybe we should listen to David. He certainly is qualified to teach medicine. He has his own web-site. Let's just not get all bogged down with factual information.

Originally posted by David Wilson
What i'm teaching is manners and comprehension...leading to the codifing of information into proper knowledge, who i'm teaching is under-employed, over-educated nits who haven't got a clue.


Ahem, 'codifing' is actually spelled 'codifying' with a 'y.'

Damn this over-education!

Yawn. When are you going to get to the fruitcake stuff?

Originally posted by David Wilson
Let me explain something quite simple...if a thread i do on any subject{which you ignorantly deem absurd}, is bombarded by idiots, it is reduced to discursive nonsense, it loses its value and coherency. Despite the obviousness of that, you imbeciles DEMAND that i answer millions of questions and read multiple links.


I don't give a damn if you ever answer me.

You can bet your farm I'm going to answer you whether you like it or not. If saying 'bombarded by idiots' you mean providing links to credible sources where the casual reader can find accurate information so they can decide for themselves then I say let the bombing begin.

Your not the first nut job to get all steamed over those pesky 'facts.'

Originally posted by David Wilson
I have no control over the moderation of this dump, so i can only appeal to your maturity and wisdom{laughing uncontrolably, almost aspirating vomitus}.

Golly gosh, 'aspirating vomitus' sounds so cerebral. It probably would have had greater impact had you not misspelled 'uncontrollably.'

Originally posted by David WilsonYou idiots will be spending months apologizing to me when i expose the blatant madness of Western Medicine{oddly enough a scientific discipline relying heavily on reductionism}.


My goodness, I hope your information is a little more current than that nonsense you posted on the smallpox vaccine. Say something at least from the last century.

You know, David, I hear they are doing wonderful things with leeches these days.

[Mr. Turquoise]

Mr. Wilson,

I would be more than happy to listen to your points of view, and offer any and all knowledge I have on any subject you care to discuss.

I must, however, clearly state my doubts regarding some of your assertions regarding Western medicine. While I most certainly agree that there are shortcomings, and that there are specific aspects of cancer treatment that are worrying, I still firmly believe that what Western medicine offers the best bet for overcoming illnesses.

Regardless, I look forward to your future post, and hope that we can discuss the issue further.

BTW, I am still a relative newcomer to these forums, and would not like to give the impression that I am taking sides in any other conflicts that may or may not be going on. I simply wish to approach the issues as and when they are presented.

Mr. Turquoise

[MRC_Hans]

Dont worry Mr. Turquoise, with your careful, polite, and open-minded manners, there is no risk that anybody will connect you with David Wilson.

Hans

[RichardR]

Originally posted by David Wilson
What i'm teaching is manners and comprehension...From the other thread:


AGAIN IDIOT…

Pissant….

You are nothing but a dumb Aussie,,,,


Oh yes, you're us teaching manners. Course you are.

[Mr. Turquoise]

Hans,

I appreciate the compliments regarding my style. I always try to think before I speak, and be sure of what I say. This probably stems from the very wise saying I came across when I was a lad. That proverb was "Make sure your mouth ain't loaded with blanks before you shoot it off!!"

This has, of course, become my motto. As I said, I like to deal with the arguments as and when they come.

Mr. Turquoise

[RichardR]

Originally posted by Mr. Turquoise
Mr. Wilson,

(snip)

Regardless, I look forward to your future post, and hope that we can discuss the issue further.

(snip)If you would like an advance look at what Mr. Wilson will be cutting and pasting once his busy schedule allows in January, you could look here, (http://pub63.ezboard.com/fthinkingandecologyforumfrm1) although I believe his Mummy now requires you to register first.

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by RichardR
If you would like an advance look at what Mr. Wilson will be cutting and pasting once his busy schedule allows in January, you could look here, (http://pub63.ezboard.com/fthinkingandecologyforumfrm1) although I believe his Mummy now requires you to register first.

I was thinking about registering, but it looks like it would be easier for a member of el-Quaida to get a U.S. visa and customs clearance for an A-Bomb than it would be to register on that site.

Did you notice all the required fields?

[RichardR]

Originally posted by David Wilson
(NUT, TROLL AND IMBECILE)

What you idiots can't seem to fathom is that i'm not desperate for your attention, as much as it might surprise you, i barely give a **** what fools think about me in "real life".The feeling is mutual.

Originally posted by David Wilson
Any elaborating i do is to people i consider reasonable{see post to Mr Turquiose, and 20+ posts to Tricky}, other posts are either time passing inane crap which mildly amuses me, correcting and exposing nonsense, or posts such as this which is of a teacher-student relationship. Shouldn’t that be “creating and espousing nonsense”?

Originally posted by David Wilson
What i'm teaching is manners and comprehension...leading to the codifing of information into proper knowledge, who i'm teaching is under-employed, over-educated nits who haven't got a clue. Translation: I don’t have a degree.

Originally posted by David Wilson
Let me explain something quite simple...if a thread i do on any subject{which you ignorantly deem absurd}, is bombarded by idiots, it is reduced to discursive nonsense, it loses its value and coherency. Despite the obviousness of that, you imbeciles DEMAND that i answer millions of questions and read multiple links. You mean these questions that you can't answer? (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&action=showpost&postid=273512)

Originally posted by David Wilson
I have no control over the moderation of this dump, so i can only appeal to your maturity and wisdom{laughing uncontrolably, almost aspirating vomitus}.
You idiots will be spending months apologizing to me when i expose the blatant madness of Western Medicine{oddly enough a scientific discipline relying heavily on reductionism}. How much do you want to bet?

[RichardR]

Originally posted by Diogenes


I was thinking about registering, but it looks like it would be easier for a member of el-Quaida to get a U.S. visa and customs clearance for an A-Bomb than it would be to register on that site.

Did you notice all the required fields? I guess we'll just have to wait until the busy Xmas and New Year season is over, before we can continue with our education. (Sigh.)

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by RichardR




"DEMAND that i answer millions of questions and read multiple links."

You mean these questions that you can't answer? (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&action=showpost&postid=273512)




Another fine example of 'David Wilson Math'..


3 = millions


Obviously the same numbering system employed when doing mortality statistics with regard to vaccines.

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by Mr. Turquoise
Mr. Wilson,

I would be more than happy to listen to your points of view, and offer any and all knowledge I have on any subject you care to discuss.

Mr Turquoise.

That's the spirit, we'll pool our knowledge and try and produce a reasonable outcome, i might be wrong afterall....er, just kidding,lol.

I must, however, clearly state my doubts regarding some of your assertions regarding Western medicine.

I'm not sure how you could know the totality of my assertions, we'll sort it out later.


While I most certainly agree that there are shortcomings, and that there are specific aspects of cancer treatment that are worrying, I still firmly believe that what Western medicine offers the best bet for overcoming illnesses.

So do i, and scientists have already explained cancer{FOR MOST OCCURENCES}, put simply, cancer is the result of an unhealthy, un-natural{inefficient lifestyle}, change that lifestyle to a healthy and natural one, and cancer regresses{most times}, and is usually warded off permanently{but not always}.
I'm not saying that it is impossible for a healthy person to get cancer, but extremely unlikely.


Regardless, I look forward to your future post, and hope that we can discuss the issue further.

Absolutely, i'll be back within 2-5 weeks.

BTW, I am still a relative newcomer to these forums, and would not like to give the impression that I am taking sides in any other conflicts that may or may not be going on. I simply wish to approach the issues as and when they are presented

So far you've proven to be clever, patient and open-minded...you'd make a horrible reductionistic scientist..LOL.

Take care and have a good season.

David Wilson.

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by Blue Monk


Translation: Anyone who disagrees with you. I'll assume I am included.

How do you explain my 40 posts with Tricky, you can't unless you accept that i'm genuine.
I don't care to lose the possibility of an online friendship or respect with the likes of you, as you keep deluding yourself.


You offer erroneous medical 'advice.' You seem to feel that even though you have no medical degree yourself (I'm assuming) you are smarter than the united medical community consisting of the finest minds in that field.

I'm recounting the truthful findings of the "finest" minds in recent history.
I'm not pretending to be a doctor, but as an "ecological person", and supporter of eco-philosophy, it is my duty to pre-emptively get noisy about the coming demise of laissez faire market style economies.



Oh no, you are much smarter. Why should we believe some idiot who spent years of his or her life studying medicine to get his or her degree, spent countless hours performing tedious research and is in agreement with the entire medical community

Simply as medicine follows a reductionistic approach to disease, whereby it looks at disease as a broken part of a machine as per the mechanized Newtonian/Descartes worldview known as Scientism.

and is in agreement with the entire medical community

This is such a foolish statement, there is constant disagreement between experts, and subsequently, differing treatments.





When it comes to the smallpox vaccine I believe I'll put my faith in the medical community that consists of the dedicated men and women who studied and worked so hard to eradicate smallpox from the face of the Earth.

Good for you, all the while ignoring the natural cycle of disease, and the work of Rene Dubos{one of the greatest minds of 20th century medical research}



Of course, the fact that dispensing erroneous medical advice could have dire consequences to anyone foolish enough to follow it seems to be of little concern as your obviously burgeoning ego does not seem to allow for the possibility that you could be in error. ?

I could be wrong, but i'm not dispensing ANY medical advice idiot, only lifestyle alterations, get it idiot.


It is probably just as well you are not concerned with my opinion of you as I've made clear already I think you are the lowest of the low. Your foolish medical advice threatens the health, and possibly life, of anyone who might forego competent medical advice in favor of your silly self-serving babble.

I don't give out medical advice idiot.





Ahem, 'codifing' is actually spelled 'codifying' with a 'y.'

Damn this over-education!

Perhaps it might be pertinent to praise my spelling capacity, as i don't use the spell-checker.





My goodness, I hope your information is a little more current than that nonsense you posted on the smallpox vaccine. Say something at least from the last century.

Don't forget my grossly immature friend, if you enter any of my serious threads with disrespect or hostility, i'll ignore or abandon.

Get laid, even if you have to pay for it, you're obviously sexually frustrated, and possibily gender disorientated.

David "FULL TRUTH" Wilson.

[David Wilson]

Richard and co...GROW UP

I'll be back with truth in a few weeks, don't get arrested for drunk and disorderly conduct...although you might start making sense under the influence...LOLOLOL.

[BLACK HAT]

Originally posted by David Wilson

I'll be back with truth in a few weeks.


As much as I hate waiting on the truth, I think a sabbatical is in order. As they say, "Time heals all wounds", assuming you have the proper vaccinations of course.

I certainly hope Mr. Wilson has taken such precautions. I would be devastated if this thread didn't change the course of medical history.

ONLY A FEW WEEKS UNTIL WE RECEIVE THE TRUTH FOLKS!

:: rubbing my hands together maniacally:::

EXCELLENT! EXCELLENT!

[kookbreaker]

Originally posted by BLACK HAT



As much as I hate waiting on the truth, I think a sabbatical is in order. As they say, "Time heals all wounds", assuming you have the proper vaccinations of course.

I certainly hope Mr. Wilson has taken such precautions. I would be devastated if this thread didn't change the course of medical history.

ONLY A FEW WEEKS UNTIL WE RECEIVE THE TRUTH FOLKS!

:: rubbing my hands together maniacally:::

EXCELLENT! EXCELLENT!

Assuming he does come back, all he's going to do is present the usual vaccination liars laundry list without adding anything new. Events like the Phillipines "increase" that the child killers use to try and invalidate years of sucessful vaccination with the worst examples of data mning.

So far, DW hasn't presented anything that impresses me. He'll invariably "do research" by searching the web and coming up with the same "truth" sites that Bigfig came up with, such as the reprehensible whale.to site.

I predict, however, that he will have several dozen of these data minings that he will throw around, along with out-of-context quotes (a la BigFig) that he will cut and paste in a hope that he will overburden us, much like he tried to do in the Gloabl Warming threads.

You heard it here first. :D

[kookbreaker]

Originally posted by David Wilson


How do you explain my 40 posts with Tricky, you can't unless you accept that i'm genuine.
I don't care to lose the possibility of an online friendship or respect with the likes of you, as you keep deluding yourself.


You seem very insecure about this and need to repeat it. Its seems as if you are trying to convince yourself, not us.


I'm recounting the truthful findings of the "finest" minds in recent history.
I'm not pretending to be a doctor, but as an "ecological person", and supporter of eco-philosophy, it is my duty to pre-emptively get noisy about the coming demise of laissez faire market style economies.


You sure seem to be acting like a doctor, or at least pretending to know more than doctors.


Simply as medicine follows a reductionistic approach to disease, whereby it looks at disease as a broken part of a machine as per the mechanized Newtonian/Descartes worldview known as Scientism.


By your definition, science and medicine would never establish nutritional guidelines, or investiagte healthy lifestyles. Until you get 9 out of 10 doctors saying that they don't care if you smoke or not, your claim about "scientism" is medicine is a false one.


This is such a foolish statement, there is constant disagreement between experts, and subsequently, differing treatments.


In regards to vaccination, which is what was being discussed, experts are very much in line: Vaccinations have reduced and wiped out disease.


Good for you, all the while ignoring the natural cycle of disease, and the work of Rene Dubos{one of the greatest minds of 20th century medical research}


Natural cycles of diseases such as smallpox do involve them disappearing entirely. Nor do natural cycles involve sudded resurgences when vaccination is reduced (which happened in Russian after the collapse of the Soviet Union withj other diseases.)

Attempts to claim that the annihalaition of Polio and Smallpox are part of a disease cycle demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of the nature of diseases. Medicine does not support you here.


I could be wrong, but i'm not dispensing ANY medical advice idiot, only lifestyle alterations, get it idiot.


What your are doing is what is called FUD in business circles. Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt. Raise enough doubts wioth false information, and you won't need to dispense any medical advice.







Perhaps it might be pertinent to praise my spelling capacity, as i don't use the spell-checker.







Don't forget my grossly immature friend, if you enter any of my serious threads with disrespect or hostility, i'll ignore or abandon.

Get laid, even if you have to pay for it, you're obviously sexually frustrated, and possibily gender disorientated.

David "FULL TRUTH" Wilson. [/QUOTE]

[RichardR]

Originally posted by David Wilson
it is my duty to pre-emptively get noisy about the coming demise of laissez faire market style economies.Course it is.

Regarding the coming demise of laissez faire market style economies, what were the answers to these questions, again? (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&action=showpost&postid=273512)

[ImpyTimpy]

Forget arguing with him, he's using the delay so that the original questions are forgotten about. This gives Dave a chance to regurgitate previously used material and present it as new.

Debating with him is simply impossible as he stated many times he can not be wrong... Now ladies and gentlemen, this is a classic case of delusion.

[RichardR]

Originally posted by ImpyTimpy
Forget arguing with him, he's using the delay so that the original questions are forgotten about. This gives Dave a chance to regurgitate previously used material and present it as new.

Debating with him is simply impossible as he stated many times he can not be wrong... Now ladies and gentlemen, this is a classic case of delusion. Aha, but I won’t let him (or anyone else reading this), forget how his rant against capitalism ended when he was shown the shallowness of his position.

And, I think you might find the reason for the delay is that in the Christmas / New Year season there is a big demand for cab drivers. In January he’ll have nothing to do.

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by RichardR
[B]Aha, but I won’t let him (or anyone else reading this), forget how his rant against capitalism ended when he was shown the shallowness of his position.

]

Description of Straw Man
The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.







In short, they were an example of the best way to treat employees.{Shell}

Shell didn’t make it that way, although perhaps they could have done better than they did. But doing business in that part of the world is not easy.

Shell’s policies are some of the best in the area.
. But let’s all bag on Shell. They’re the big bad evil corporation, right?

By Nigerians. Soldiers, most likely. But let’s blame Shell.



The morally bankrupt and intellectually bereft RichardR desparately tries to "get out" of being an apologist for Corporations who have been accused of involvment in killing and torture by calling on the strawman defense.

Yet a quick glance through his responses indicate that he does consider devastating people's lands as a necessity of doing business in a tough environment.

He dismisses 18 pages of information by Professor Chossodouskvy as irrational, and considers the investigative work of Project Underground as "anti corporate propaganda".
A protest by 300 000/500 000 people is dismissed as "an appeal to popularity"..LOLOLOL.

He also seems to think that David Suzuki is a multi-billionaire who can afford to risk publicly smearing a Billion Dollar Corp and not be subject to legal recourse, oh and Suzuki is just an appeal to authority.
He tries to displace blame from Shell{an identifiable corp} and place it onto the NNPC{an obscure corp}.

RichardR displays the typical traits of secular morality, {which is servicing the technological imperative}, whereby, torture and murder should be denounced but accepted as necessary due to the resistance of people who are suffering from the effects of implementing the technological imperative.

RichardR will probabaly add another "appeal to this or that "defense, accuse me of trolling, threaten to ignore me and report to moderator.

David Wilson.


FOOLISH RICHARDR, explain your social darwinsim, you moral coward.

Your questions remain unanswered as you're a social darwinist who doesn't understand the proper use of 1..appeal to popularity,2.appeal to authority, 3..the strawman defense.

Lacking in this ability is a matter of either low intelligence or willfulness{a desire to not understand}.

You can bandy those silly questions forever, and i'll ignore them forever, as i have a limited tolerance of trolls.

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by ImpyTimpy
Forget arguing with him, .

Debating with him is simply impossible as he stated many times he can not be wrong... Now ladies and gentlemen, [b]this is a classic case of delusion.

Ahhh grow up, and stop speaking crap.
It's real simple, you just be courteous, try it someday you know it all.

Have a great XMAS, make sure you spend up big to help grow the economy you delusional biased fraud.

[xouper]

From various posts in this thread:

David Wilson: Richard and co...GROW UP

David Wilson: I could be wrong, but i'm not dispensing ANY medical advice idiot, only lifestyle alterations, get it idiot.

David Wilson: Ahhh grow up, and stop speaking crap.

David "FULL TRUTH" Wilson: Don't forget my grossly immature friend, if you enter any of my serious threads with disrespect or hostility, i'll ignore or abandon. Get laid, even if you have to pay for it, you're obviously sexually frustrated, and possibily gender disorientated.

David Wilson: What i'm teaching is manners [see examples above] and comprehension... leading to the codifing of information into proper knowledge, who i'm teaching is under-employed, over-educated nits who haven't got a clue.Then you're in the wrong place. The under-employed, over-educated nits who haven't got a clue are in the room down the hall.


David Wilson: it is my duty to pre-emptively get noisy about the coming demise of laissez faire market style economies.

RichardR: Regarding the coming demise of laissez faire market style economies, what were the answers to these questions (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&action=showpost&postid=273512), again?

David Wilson: You can bandy those silly questions forever, and i'll ignore them forever, as i have a limited tolerance of trolls.Pop Quiz for those in the peanut gallery: Who's the real troll here? Hint: Who feels it's his duty to get noisy about his anti-capitalism agenda?

[PixyMisa]

Originally posted by xouper
Pop Quiz for those in the peanut gallery: Who's the real troll here? Hint: Who feels it's his duty to get noisy about his anti-capitalism agenda?
Sorry, I was off buying peanuts. Can you make that a multiple-choice?

[xouper]

PixyMisa: Sorry, I was off buying peanuts. Can you make that a multiple-choice? Dang. I should have thought of that in the first place. OK, here it is:

Who is the real troll here?

David Wilson

David Wilson

David "you idiot" Wilson

David "FULL TRUTH" Wilson

David Wilson

[PixyMisa]

Originally posted by xouper
Dang. I should have thought of that in the first place. OK, here it is:

Who is the real troll here?

David Wilson

David Wilson

David "you idiot" Wilson

David "FULL TRUTH" Wilson

David Wilson
Hmm. I'll pick C based on the Principle of Most Irony. No, hang on, D works for that too. (tosses coin, which is swallowed in mid-air by a passing bat) Damn bats. Where's my mini-gun?

[RichardR]

Originally posted by xouper
Dang. I should have thought of that in the first place. OK, here it is:

Who is the real troll here?

David Wilson

David Wilson

David "you idiot" Wilson

David "FULL TRUTH" Wilson

David Wilson Can I vote for more than one?

[RichardR]

Oh dear, he’s blown another fuse:

Originally posted by David Wilson

(Most of mad rant snipped)

You can bandy those silly questions forever, and i'll ignore them forever, as i have a limited tolerance of trolls.
Hahahaha. You're ignoring them because you can't answer them. I know it makes you feel better to rail against capitalism and to view yourself as the good guy who “cares” about the poor, but in reality, your ideas would impoverish the less well off. If that were not true, you would be able to answer these three simple questions:

[list=1] Where has your Natural Step worked to get an ailing economy back on its feet?

What would you do with a load of companies that can’t pay their employees’ wages or their creditors? Where would you get the money to pay the employees and the creditors?

What part of the world has a “deep morality and spirituality” and does not “value excess material possessions” and yet still provides a high standard of living for its people?
[/list=1]

But you can’t, can you David? Can’t answer them. Can you?

(Go on. Answer one.)

[ImpyTimpy]

Please quote exactly what I wrote to you. I said you are using the supposed "delay" to reintroduce old material (and it doesn't take a psychic to see it). Furthermore you are the example of delusion as you stated many times you simply CAN NOT be wrong.

Also what is your problem with spending during the christmas season and economy? Christmas spirit is about giving and sharing with other people. It is a time when people come together and spend their saved money on things that other people can enjoy. It reminds everyone of what it means to be a human.

Economy growth on the other hand is needed so people can be paid higher wages and therefore spend more. Quality of living goes up as the country's economy gets better. I think it is time you actually spent some time studying the things you talk about at a University.....

Originally posted by David Wilson


Ahhh grow up, and stop speaking crap.
It's real simple, you just be courteous, try it someday you know it all.

Have a great XMAS, make sure you spend up big to help grow the economy you delusional biased fraud.

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by RichardR

Hahahaha. You're ignoring them because you can't answer them. I know it makes you feel better to rail against capitalism and to view yourself as the good guy who “cares” about the poor, but in reality, your ideas would impoverish the less well off. If that were not true, you would be able to answer these three simple questions:

This is such a load of ****.
The reason the Nigerians were murdered and tortured was Capitalism implemented by atheists, a truly religious person{compared to a superficial one{secular humanist,eg}, would never kill or torture, especially in pursuit of excess material goods.
A truly religious person cares about the spiritrual and intellectual development of people, ahead of material progress, especially unnecessary progress.
The reason the world is the way it is, is due to our acceptance of the current mythology of scientism and materialism, leading to Capitalism and exploitation for excess amounts of money.
Why do you think companies move to third world countries.



[list=1] Where has your Natural Step worked to get an ailing economy back on its feet?

One of the reasons i don't answer your questions is because they are typically bogus, as is this one.
TNS has never been adopted throughout an entire economy, therefore your demand is bogus{as usual}.

WTF is wrong with you?

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by ImpyTimpy .

Also what is your problem with spending during the christmas season and economy? Christmas spirit is about giving and sharing with other people. It is a time when people come together and spend their saved money on things that other people can enjoy. It reminds everyone of what it means to be a human.

Yeah yeah sure, what about those who are starving, are they having a great Xmas whilst you're being human.

Economy growth on the other hand is needed so people can be paid higher wages and therefore spend more. Quality of living goes up as the country's economy gets better. I think it is time you actually spent some time studying the things you talk about at a University.....

This platitude is all i expect from you.
You're too young to know anything except water fountain talk.
You know nothing of any merit, so please keep quite.

[RichardR]

Originally posted by David Wilson
This is such a load of ****.
The reason the Nigerians were murdered and tortured was Capitalism implemented by atheists, a truly religious person{compared to a superficial one{secular humanist,eg}, would never kill or torture, especially in pursuit of excess material goods.
A truly religious person cares about the spiritrual and intellectual development of people, ahead of material progress, especially unnecessary progress.
The reason the world is the way it is, is due to our acceptance of the current mythology of scientism and materialism, leading to Capitalism and exploitation for excess amounts of money.
Why do you think companies move to third world countries.
You are quite mad, aren’t you?

Originally posted by David Wilson
One of the reasons i don't answer your questions is because they are typically bogus, as is this one.
TNS has never been adopted throughout an entire economy, therefore your demand is bogus{as usual}.

WTF is wrong with you?

Aha, we’re making progress. We have question #1 answered:

[list=1] Where has your Natural Step worked to get an ailing economy back on its feet?

Answer by David Wilson: ”TNS has never been adopted throughout an entire economy”

Great. David admits his “solution” has never been tested. Anywhere. And yet he pushes this phony untested solution as being better than capitalism. Good answer David. We’re all convinced now.

Now, how about the two remaining questions:

What would you do with a load of companies that can’t pay their employees’ wages or their creditors? Where would you get the money to pay the employees and the creditors?

What part of the world has a “deep morality and spirituality” and does not “value excess material possessions” and yet still provides a high standard of living for its people?
[/list=1]

[xouper]

More examples of how Mr. Wilson is teaching us manners:

David Wilson: What i'm teaching is manners ...

David Wilson: You're too young to know anything except water fountain talk. You know nothing of any merit, so please keep quite.

David Wilson: This is such a load of ****. ... WTF is wrong with you?Notice he used the word please once. Perhaps that counts as "manners" in his mind.

David Wilson: What i'm teaching is manners and comprehension... leading to the codifing of information into proper knowledge, who i'm teaching is under-employed, over-educated nits who haven't got a clue.

David Wilson: The reason the Nigerians were murdered and tortured was Capitalism implemented by atheists, a truly religious person{compared to a superficial one{secular humanist,eg}, would never kill or torture, especially in pursuit of excess material goods. A truly religious person cares about the spiritrual and intellectual development of people, ahead of material progress, especially unnecessary progress. The reason the world is the way it is, is due to our acceptance of the current mythology of scientism and materialism, leading to Capitalism and exploitation for excess amounts of money. Why do you think companies move to third world countries.

RichardR: You are quite mad, aren’t you?Does Mr. Wilson really expect that we would not see this collection of outrageous and ignorant statements for the obvious troll it is? These statements are not codification of information into proper knowledge. They are nothing more than pathetic little opinions designed to inflame those who are unsavy in the ways of forum trolling. But nice try, Mr. Wilson. Oh, and merry xmas to you, sir.

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by RichardR
[
Answer by David Wilson: ”TNS has never been adopted throughout an entire economy”

Great. David admits his “solution” has never been tested. Anywhere. And yet he pushes this phony untested solution as being better than capitalism. Good answer David. We’re all convinced now.

Hey nutcase, you forget or wilfully ignore Interface, Ikea, and over 130 corps and gov bodies in Sweden who have successfully used it.

It won't be fully adopted when fools like you discount its merit.
Please retract your ludicrous.."it hasn't been tested anywhere".

See you later slick, enjoy your quality time with your Jaymate, Xgroper.

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by xouper
[
Does Mr. Wilson really expect that we would not see this collection of outrageous and ignorant statements for the obvious troll it is? .


I predict that you'll leave this forum rather than apologize to me after i prove you as damn silly.
Stop this collating nonsense, who do you think you're impressing?

And i expect to be considered a troll amongst a atheist advocacy message board.

Btw, where is your former Jaymate Titanpoint?

[xouper]

David Wilson: I predict that you'll leave this forum rather than apologize to me after i prove you as damn silly.If your past efforts are any indication, you couldn't prove your way out of a paper bag. I predict there will be nothing for me to apologize for.

Stop this collating nonsense, who do you think you're impressing?You, of course. And it seems to be working.

And i expect to be considered a troll amongst a atheist advocacy message board.That's nice. You are considered a troll here too.

[RichardR]

[list=1] Where has your Natural Step worked to get an ailing economy back on its feet?

Answer by David Wilson: ”TNS has never been adopted throughout an entire economy”

Great. David admits his “solution” has never been tested. Anywhere. And yet he pushes this phony untested solution as being better than capitalism. Good answer David. We’re all convinced now.

Re-statement of answer by David Wilson: ”Hey nutcase, you forget or wilfully (sic) ignore Interface, Ikea, and over 130 corps and gov bodies in Sweden who have successfully used it.”

Didn’t willfully ignore it; you ignored it in your answer. Anyway, your answer is still “never”.

Now, how about the two remaining questions. Start with #2:

What would you do with a load of companies that can’t pay their employees’ wages or their creditors? Where would you get the money to pay the employees and the creditors?

What part of the world has a “deep morality and spirituality” and does not “value excess material possessions” and yet still provides a high standard of living for its people?
[/list=1]

[RichardR]

Originally posted by David Wilson
To Xouper:
I predict that you'll leave this forum rather than apologize to me after i prove you as damn silly.
Preserving these two predictions for posterity.

[ImpyTimpy]

Originally posted by David Wilson


Yeah yeah sure, what about those who are starving, are they having a great Xmas whilst you're being human.


What about those people Dave? They're developing countries. We can give them all the support they need but if their own governments don't do anything, what do YOU propose we do? Why don't you get on that white horse of yours and ride over there with your freedom from capitalism flag, rather then sitting here on your butt all day spouting your supposed wisdom.

This platitude is all i expect from you.
You're too young to know anything except water fountain talk.
You know nothing of any merit, so please keep quite.
How could I forget oh wise one, that you alone have understood and unravelled the mysteries of the universe... Why don't you put those incredible discoveries to good use and make the world a better place Dave...

[Quasi]

I commented on David Wilson's other Medical "Science" post. Once again, he believes all the misinformation about reality, all the way across the board. Hey Dave, wake up. If it weren't for the naturopath/Organic idiots, many people in Africal would be eating hearty on new crops that can grow there. I still don't see Whole Foods Inc. giving any food to them, nooo. As for raw foods? T.C. Fry, ring a bell? He was one of the key founders of the raw food fad. Guess what, he died at age 70, 4.4 years below the national average. Hmmmm. Further, the body breaks down food, by acid and other compounds like pepsin, so it is irrelevant whether the food is cooked or not, the nutrition is the same. Once again, Mr. Wilson ignores key information which points out to just how wrong he really is. If anyone is interested, see www.organicgardenclub.com. It is a raw food/organic/vegan restaurant run by a guy who believes vegans live to an average of 135 years, and that the diet can cure cancer, despite its total, utter failure to cure his own sister. Sad really. Kind of like someone else we know.

[Mark]

This is the first time I have become aware of D.W. It also proves something I (and many others) have long suspected, which is that many people on this board WANT to be angered and argue with trolls. Nothing wrong with that, but let's call it what it is.

[Roadtoad]

Originally posted by David Wilson
I predict that you'll leave this forum rather than apologize to me after i prove you as damn silly.
Stop this collating nonsense, who do you think you're impressing?

And i expect to be considered a troll amongst a atheist advocacy message board.

No, you're simply a troll.

In all seriousness, David, from one commercial driver to another, you're long overdue for a piss test.

Let me ask you this: as a diabetic, I need to take Glucophage to keep my blood from taking on the characteristics of Hershey's Syrup. According to you, though, all I need to do is eat my veggies, and exercise more.

Having tried that, since it did not work, should I still pass on using medication? Or should I succumb to the Great Corporate Conspiracy and continue to use my pills? Tough choice, considering I'm married, and have kids who depend on me.

Given you were wrong about Smallpox vaccinations, I think I 'll stick with my doctor's recommendations.

Oh, and BTW, Dude: you're a poor choice for teaching manners. You have none. RichardR may not agree with ANYTHING I say, but from what I've seen on this forum, he's a damn sight more civil than you are. You refuse to post your evidence, you insult anyone who disagrees with you, and quite frankly, I'd just as soon pass on reading any more of your rants. Tricky is a lot more fun to read, and when I disagree with him, I still can't help but like him. Ditto most others here.

Do the rest of us who drive for a living a favor: SHUT UP! You're giving us a bad name.

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by Roadtoad


No, you're simply a troll.

In all seriousness, David, from one commercial driver to another, you're long overdue for a piss test.


No i'm a ecological person, as such i'm anti anything that threatens a reasonable quality of life.



Let me ask you this: as a diabetic, I need to take Glucophage to keep my blood from taking on the characteristics of Hershey's Syrup. According to you, though, all I need to do is eat my veggies, and exercise more.

I don't advocate eating vege's...i advocate a complete harmonizing with nature, this includes all aspects of your life.
Being that diabetics often have numerous other complications such as heart disease, strokes, blindness, and amputations{gangrene} you be advised to take take the punt on my advice.

This is my advice to improve your health, it is not medical advice, i don't give out medical advice{i'm not a doctor...nor do i recommend drugs{poison and profitable...very profitable, we're talking Billions}

Eat predominately raw FRUIT{the king of foods, water rich, nutrient rich and virtually pre-digested}.When you cook fruit, you lose the water content{it becomes concentrated}, and you denature the enzymes, forcing the body to draw on its own limited reserves{zero enzyme activity=death}.

You can also have veges, but eat raw.
Try and eat approx 80% raw fruit.
Every other animal eats their food raw.


For Christsakes spend 5-$10 on quackwatches favourite duo, Harvey and Marylin Diamond...buy "Fit for Life 2 1987, or Fit for life a new beginning 2000"......think about it, if i'm a conman, you lose $10, if i'm right...YOU REGAIN YOUR HEALTH, the body strives to maintain health, but needs oxygen and nutrients+the water from fruit. The delivery of the oxygen is thwarted by a clogged circulation{you're overweight, a smoker...and you definately eat too much fatty foods...as high blood fat levels is a major factor in diabetes}...you do understand that a stroke is a lack of blood to the cells, the blood contains the oxygen and nutrients you need on a contiunal basis.

I would also cut out smoking or the ingestion of any un-natural chemicals.
Decrease stress.
Undertake deep breathing exercises daily{5-10mins}..to highly oxygenate the cells and inflate the lungs, normal breathing is shallow.

Use or ignore...up to you.


Given you were wrong about Smallpox vaccinations, I think I 'll stick with my doctor's recommendations.

LOL, wrong....i haven't started on the vaccination fraud yet.



Oh, and BTW, Dude: you're a poor choice for teaching manners. You have none.

On the contrary, i have them for those who are polite.
You need to wake up to the fact that I'M NEVER RUDE TO THOSE WHO ARE CIVIL, only to the puppets of Industry, go into my profile and click on my homepage...it will lead you to the PR Watch Message Board, the people who exposed the $35 000 000 000 a yr propaganda industry who attack the truth and anyone who tries to air it.

EVIL is the opposite of truth, i fight Evil as that's what it takes.
All i've asked of you is to spend a pittance to find out about the truth of the fraud of medicine{some of it works, but overall a joke}....what you need to be aware of is that much of the info that Harvey Diamond uses to criticize the medical professions is sourced from their own ranks. He used the Cumulus medicus Index for Fit for Life 2, and his own specialized knowledge.


RichardR may not agree with ANYTHING I say, but from what I've seen on this forum, he's a damn sight more civil than you are.

He's just one more educated and bramewashed nut who is in love with Xgroper{these two are Jay}


You refuse to post your evidence, you insult anyone who disagrees with you, and quite frankly, I'd just as soon pass on reading any more of your rants.

No, i insult anyone who is rude...and will continue to insult these halfwits posing as having proper knoweldge.



Tricky is a lot more fun to read, and when I disagree with him, I still can't help but like him. Ditto most others here.

Tricky is well liked and respected, and MIRACULOUSLY, he and i conducted a 40 post thread....without being rude to each other.....are you getting the hint, i don't tolerate impolite halfwits, that they were impolite signals to me they are foolish, they're not even smart enough to draw me into their pretentious trap.



Do the rest of us who drive for a living a favor: SHUT UP! You're giving us a bad name. ]

LOL, that was accomplished long before i arrived, you guys can have all the credit for that.

[RichardR]

David Wilson = bigfig Lite

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by Mark
This is the first time I have become aware of D.W. It also proves something I (and many others) have long suspected, which is that many people on this board WANT to be angered and argue with trolls.
[

You're an embarrassment to critical thinking MARK.
Save your pop-pyschology for the water fountain...the source of your intellectual inspiration.

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by RichardR
David Wilson = bigfig Lite

NO....YOU GOT NUTHIN CHUMP.
Try growing up, you can start by dropping your boyfriend...and hauling in the ridiculous Titanpoint.

The nut has found me elsewhere, and is accusing me of being a "self styled climate expert" ...LOL.

Btw, he's selling "The Skeptical Environmentalist" for $2.50.

[Elektrix]

AHH! Eat the fruit RAW.......man, and all this time i've just been sticking random fruit and "veges" in a bong and smoking them. Now I understand the source of my health problems.

-Elektrix

[PixyMisa]

Originally posted by David Wilson
No i'm a ecological person, as such i'm anti anything that threatens a reasonable quality of life.
Well, that's fine as far as it goes. But...
I don't advocate eating vege's...i advocate a complete harmonizing with nature, this includes all aspects of your life.

"A complete harmonizing with nature" is waffle, unless you mean dying and becoming worm food.

Being that diabetics often have numerous other complications such as heart disease, strokes, blindness, and amputations{gangrene}

Such complications arise when diabetics don't follow appropriate medical treatment.

you be advised to take take the punt on my advice.
This would in fact be an extremely bad idea.
This is my advice to improve your health, it is not medical advice, i don't give out medical advice

This is in fact exactly what you are doing.

{i'm not a doctor...nor do i recommend drugs{poison and profitable...very profitable, we're talking Billions}

The drug industry makes a lot of money, because people get sick, and drugs can help them. (And no, I'm not saying that the pharmaceutical industry is without problems.)

Eat predominately raw FRUIT

Raw fruit is good. Tasty, cheap, and full of vitamins and stuff.

{the king of foods, water rich,

I'd like to point out that water also contains water, and is even cheaper than fruit.

nutrient rich and virtually pre-digested}.

"Virtually pre-digested"? Compared to what? Cellulose?

When you cook fruit, you lose the water content{it becomes concentrated},

Well, darn, now I'll have to drink some water.
and you denature the enzymes, forcing the body to draw on its own limited reserves{zero enzyme activity=death}.
This is complete and utter nonsense. The body manufactures the enzymes it needs. I don't want other enzymes entering my body and carrying out their evil little enzyme activities.

You can also have veges, but eat raw.
Try and eat approx 80% raw fruit.
Every other animal eats their food raw.

Yeah. And most animals carry parasites. And most of them don't live very long.

For Christsakes spend 5-$10 on quackwatches favourite duo, Harvey and Marylin Diamond...buy "Fit for Life 2 1987, or Fit for life a new beginning 2000"......think about it, if i'm a conman, you lose $10, if i'm right...YOU REGAIN YOUR HEALTH, the body strives to maintain health, but needs oxygen and nutrients+the water from fruit.
I can get oxygen from the air and water from the tap.

The delivery of the oxygen is thwarted by a clogged circulation
Duh.

{you're overweight, a smoker...and you definately eat too much fatty foods...as high blood fat levels is a major factor in diabetes}

I take it that you have given Roadtoad a full medical exam before making these statements?

...you do understand that a stroke is a lack of blood to the cells, the blood contains the oxygen and nutrients you need on a contiunal basis.

I would also cut out smoking or the ingestion of any un-natural chemicals.

Un-natural chemicals?

Decrease stress.
Undertake deep breathing exercises daily{5-10mins}..to highly oxygenate the cells and inflate the lungs, normal breathing is shallow.

Walking is good. Unless you live somewhere where the air is bad for you.

LOL, wrong....i haven't started on the vaccination fraud yet.

Oh, please do.

Now, which disease did you die from in childhood again? I can't remember if it was polio or smallpox.

On the contrary, i have them for those who are polite.
You need to wake up to the fact that I'M NEVER RUDE TO THOSE WHO ARE CIVIL,

This is patently false. You are rude to everyone who disagrees with you.

only to the puppets of Industry,

Which you define as "everyone who disagrees with you".

go into my profile and click on my homepage...it will lead you to the PR Watch Message Board, the people who exposed the $35 000 000 000 a yr propaganda industry who attack the truth and anyone who tries to air it.

Advertising? Alternative medicine? The Post Office? Sorry, not sure what industry you're referring to here.

EVIL is the opposite of truth, i fight Evil as that's what it takes.
You need a new dictionary. Falsehood is the opposite of truth. Evil is the opposite of good.

All i've asked of you is to spend a pittance to find out about the truth of the fraud of medicine{some of it works, but overall a joke}

You have that inverted.

....what you need to be aware of is that much of the info that Harvey Diamond uses to criticize the medical professions is sourced from their own ranks. He used the Cumulus medicus Index for Fit for Life 2, and his own specialized knowledge.

His own specialised knowledge?

He's just one more educated and bramewashed nut who is in love with Xgroper{these two are Jay}
Thus illustrating Roadtoad's point. Thank you for your cooperation.
No, i insult anyone who is rude...and will continue to insult these halfwits posing as having proper knoweldge.
In other words, those pointing out your errors.
Tricky is well liked and respected, and MIRACULOUSLY, he and i conducted a 40 post thread....without being rude to each other.....are you getting the hint, i don't tolerate impolite halfwits, that they were impolite signals to me they are foolish, they're not even smart enough to draw me into their pretentious trap.
Well, it's nice that you get along with someone.

[PixyMisa]

Originally posted by Elektrix
AHH! Eat the fruit RAW.......man, and all this time i've just been sticking random fruit and "veges" in a bong and smoking them. Now I understand the source of my health problems.
Didn't anyone tell you that smoking is bad for you?

[Blue Monk]

Originally posted by PixyMisa

Didn't anyone tell you that smoking is bad for you?

People tell me that all the time.

The problem is the stuff I'm smoking makes me forget.

Doh!

[Plutarck]

Originally posted by PixyMisa

Didn't anyone tell you that smoking is bad for you?

Yeah, didn't you know that smoking is unnatural and therefore bad for your health.

You're supposed to eat the tabacco, moron! That you have to smoke it to get the benefits is just a fraud by the cigarette companys{biosociopathic capitalist secularist blah blah blah blah blah} to hoard their material soul-killing possessions!

[ImpyTimpy]

Most of this has been answered so I figured I'd just chime in and fill the gaps in.

Originally posted by David Wilson

No i'm a ecological person, as such i'm anti anything that threatens a reasonable quality of life.
I don't advocate eating vege's...i advocate a complete harmonizing with nature, this includes all aspects of your life.
Being that diabetics often have numerous other complications such as heart disease, strokes, blindness, and amputations{gangrene} you be advised to take take the punt on my advice.

As Pixy has mentioned this happens when Diabetes gets out of control. Basically the sugar levels in your blood become too high causing nerve damage and other nasty things in your body. Diabetics with sugar levels controlled through diet and if necessary insulin injections do not have complications.

This is my advice to improve your health, it is not medical advice, i don't give out medical advice{i'm not a doctor...nor do i recommend drugs{poison and profitable...very profitable, we're talking Billions}
Eat predominately raw FRUIT{the king of foods, water rich, nutrient rich and virtually pre-digested}.When you cook fruit, you lose the water content{it becomes concentrated}, and you denature the enzymes, forcing the body to draw on its own limited reserves{zero enzyme activity=death}.

Hold on... Do you even REALISE what you're proposing there? Fruits contain high levels of carbohydrates on average (sugar). Diabetics can not process sugar, yet you're telling them to eat foods high in sugar???? Are you a COMPLETE NUT?


You can also have veges, but eat raw.
Try and eat approx 80% raw fruit.
Every other animal eats their food raw.
For Christsakes spend 5-$10 on quackwatches favourite duo, Harvey and Marylin Diamond...buy "Fit for Life 2 1987, or Fit for life a new beginning 2000"......think about it, if i'm a conman, you lose $10, if i'm right...YOU REGAIN YOUR HEALTH,

...Pixy already mentioned that raw food tends to contain parasites and very often high concentrations of bacteria harmful to your digestive tract... Also people usually eat raw fruit (apples, bananas, oranges etc)... So what exactly is your point?


the body strives to maintain health, but needs oxygen and nutrients+the water from fruit. The delivery of the oxygen is thwarted by a clogged circulation{you're overweight, a smoker...and you definately eat too much fatty foods...as high blood fat levels is a major factor in diabetes}...

Hold on... Oxygen comes from BREATHING... Man, did you skip highschool or something?


you do understand that a stroke is a lack of blood to the cells, the blood contains the oxygen and nutrients you need on a contiunal basis.

You obviously never went to highschool... Strokes are caused by ruptured blood vessels inside the brain. Please, I'm sure even a little kid knows that...


I would also cut out smoking or the ingestion of any un-natural chemicals.

Pixy already made fun of this one but I really want to bite as well. Chemicals make everything up. There is no 'natural' chemicals or 'unnatural chemicals'. You're a pool of chemicals and chemical reactions. I had a chemistry teacher who used to make fun of people like you (who believed in unnatural chemicals and etc)...


Decrease stress.
Undertake deep breathing exercises daily{5-10mins}..to highly oxygenate the cells and inflate the lungs, normal breathing is shallow.

That is the ONLY good part of advice you've given so far (including giving up smoking)... Funnily enough, this is all common knowledge... Maybe you could come up with something which is original and not already being promoted?

Use or ignore...up to you.

If he did, he'd be dead, but you're too moronic to realise that...

LOL, wrong....i haven't started on the vaccination fraud yet.

You've been bitching about vaccinations for a long time now... Maybe all that raw food you've been eating has affected your memory?


On the contrary, i have them for those who are polite.
You need to wake up to the fact that I'M NEVER RUDE TO THOSE WHO ARE CIVIL, only to the puppets of Industry, go into my profile and click on my homepage...it will lead you to the PR Watch Message Board, the people who exposed the $35 000 000 000 a yr propaganda industry who attack the truth and anyone who tries to air it.
EVIL is the opposite of truth, i fight Evil as that's what it takes.
All i've asked of you is to spend a pittance to find out about the truth of the fraud of medicine{some of it works, but overall a joke}....what you need to be aware of is that much of the info that Harvey Diamond uses to criticize the medical professions is sourced from their own ranks. He used the Cumulus medicus Index for Fit for Life 2, and his own specialized knowledge.

Dave, you're the classic example of a really disturbed individual. It's a shame here in Australia we have nuts like you running lose in the streets. Please stay away from public places...


[snipped final ramblings]

[Mark]

You're an embarrassment to critical thinking MARK.

Oh. Well, thank you for pointing that out to me...I stand skewered by your rapier wit. :rolleyes:

[Roadtoad]

Okay, Dave, let's see if I got this right:

I should eat raw fruit. However, raw fruit is loaded with sugar, which, as I set out before, I cannot have because I have diabetes. So, I eat lots of fresh veggies, usually raw, and wash them down with clear water.

I already quit smoking. I don't drink, usually, and I try to exercise daily. (30 minutes on a treadmill.) My wife has become fanatic about my health, and makes sure I don't eat what I'm not supposed to, (though that's hard around the holidays, with my terminal sweet tooth...), and as a result, I've cut back on red meat, fats and salt.

In theory, I should be, as you described it, in harmony with nature.

But, I've still got to take my Glucophage.

Hmmmmm. Could it be you have it WRONG?

Just a thought.

[RichardR]

Originally posted by David Wilson
NO....YOU GOT NUTHIN CHUMP.]

She's even started with the ALL CAPS now. Yep, figgy Lite. No doubt now.

Originally posted by David Wilson
[B]Try growing up, you can start by dropping your boyfriend...and hauling in the ridiculous Titanpoint.

The nut has found me elsewhere, and is accusing me of being a "self styled climate expert" ...LOL.

Btw, he's selling "The Skeptical Environmentalist" for $2.50.

Classic bigfig Lite rant.

[Phaycops]

Aw, thanks you guys for this really awesome thread to read. After spending the winter holidays with family, snow and sauerkraut, I was looking for something to refresh my spirit. And lo, she did looketh with happiness upon the JREF forums, and they did refresheth her spirit. Especially considering the extremely lovely debates I've had with Mr. Wilson. Yeesh, this guy's such a freak. Happy new year to all and to all a good laugh!

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by Phaycops
[. Especially considering the extremely lovely debates I've had with Mr. Wilson. Yeesh, this guy's such a freak.

You're one of the most boring people i've encountered Jaychops.

Have a great NY you sterile chump.

[Elektrix]

Originally posted by David Wilson


You're one of the most boring people i've encountered Jaychops.

Have a great NY you sterile chump.

David Wilson, weren't you saying you were supposed to be a mature individual? Why are you stooping to the level of calling someone a "sterile chump"?

-Elektrix

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by Roadtoad
Okay, Dave, let's see if I got this right:

I should eat raw fruit. However, raw fruit is loaded with sugar, which, as I set out before, I cannot have because I have diabetes.


I would find a Naturopathic Doctor who was sympathetic to the views of Harvey Diamond, or contact Harvey Diamond at "PO Box 188, Osprey, FL 34229...or email at..ffdiamond@home.com.

The problem is blood fat levels inhibiting the proper reaction of blood sugar and insulin.{Ross Horne, Health Revolution 1984, AUS}

Why don't you only change your breakfast to...2 pieces of raw fruit.....don't change anything else, if there are no complications, gradually increase your fruit consumption...and exercise and deep breathing...also, if you use air con in the car/truck, wind down the window a little bit, it still cools the car and increases your supply of oxygen.


ALWAYS eat fruit on a empty stomach, as the fruit takes approx 25-35mins to digest and moves into the intestines{meat takes up to 4hrs to digest}, don't dump fruit on top of other foods.



So, I eat lots of fresh veggies, usually raw, and wash them down with clear water.

You "shouldn't" drink after you eat...as it inhibits digestions efficiency, requiring more energy from your limited reserves., if you eat fruit, you can drink water in 30mins time, if you eat vege, 2hrs time{approx}.


Hmmmmm. Could it be you have it WRONG?



Problem is, if i'm wrong, you lose $10, if i'm right you regain your health.
My Horror recommedation to you is to cautiously add a couple of pieces of fruit to your diet.....that's the extent of my quackery.

The BS about bacteria and fruit is silly and probably has its origins in the fame of the "Macrobiotic Diet"...which excludes fruit for fear of bacteria....but we have developed a symbiotic relationship with bacteria, it is excess bacteria or new ones that are the problem.

Being that you would be starting with small amounts of fruit, why not use organics.
Anyway, i'll leave it to you to decide.

Keep on truckin!!

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by Elektrix


David Wilson, weren't you saying you were supposed to be a mature individual? Why are you stooping to the level of calling someone a "sterile chump"?

-Elektrix


I was trying to be accurate.

[Elektrix]

Originally posted by David Wilson



I was trying to be accurate.

You know that he is sterile?

-Elektrix

[xouper]

David Wilson offers this medical advice to a diabetic:
Why don't you only change your breakfast to...2 pieces of raw fruit.....don't change anything else, if there are no complications, gradually increase your fruit consumption...and exercise and deep breathing...also, if you use air con in the car/truck, wind down the window a little bit, it still cools the car and increases your supply of oxygen.

ALWAYS eat fruit on a empty stomach, as the fruit takes approx 25-35mins to digest and moves into the intestines{meat takes up to 4hrs to digest}, don't dump fruit on top of other foods.

You "shouldn't" drink after you eat...as it inhibits digestions efficiency, requiring more energy from your limited reserves., if you eat fruit, you can drink water in 30mins time, if you eat vege, 2hrs time{approx}.David, not only are you a moron, you're a dangerous moron.

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by ImpyTimpy
Most of this has been answered so I figured I'd just chime in and fill the gaps in.



No, you'll just regurgitate a bunch of crap.


You obviously never went to highschool... Strokes are caused by ruptured blood vessels inside the brain. Please, I'm sure even a little kid knows that...

IDIOT, unless there is a disruption of blood supply to the brain cells, there can be NO STROKE.

Cerebrovascular accident{stroke}n, abnormal condition in which hemorhage or blockage of the blood vessels of the brain leads to OXYGEN LACK.....ref...Barron's Medical Guide.




Pixy already made fun of this one but I really want to bite as well. Chemicals make everything up. There is no 'natural' chemicals or 'unnatural chemicals'. You're a pool of chemicals and chemical reactions.

Dickhead...i'm refering to what nature produces, and what man produces{synthetic}.





Dave, you're the classic example of a really disturbed individual. It's a shame here in Australia we have nuts like you running lose in the streets. Please stay away from public places...

The real shame is that we have pissants like you acting as apologists and promoters of inadequate information, and foolishly believing your doing people a favour, you're only doing the pharmaceutical industry a favour.

[Zombified]

Originally posted by David Wilson
also, if you use air con in the car/truck, wind down the window a little bit, it still cools the car and increases your supply of oxygen.
David, would you be so kind as to explain how air conditioning affects the partial pressure of oxygen inside the car? I was unaware that air conditioning affected the composition of air other than removing some water vapor. Thanks in advance.

[David Wilson]

Originally posted by xouper
David, not only are you a moron, you're a dangerous moron.

Go away MR IGNORANT, keep supporting *********...you supermoron.

[xouper]

David Wilson: Go away MR IGNORANT, keep supporting *********...you supermoron.<blockquote>http://www.boomspeed.com/smileyindex/violin.gif</blockquote>

[PixyMisa]

Originally posted by David Wilson
Problem is, if i'm wrong, you lose $10, if i'm right you regain your health.
If you're wrong, and Roadtoad follows your advice to the exclusion of effective medical treatment, he may die.

But what's a death here or there when you have the Full Truth, eh?

[ImpyTimpy]

Originally posted by David Wilson

No, you'll just regurgitate a bunch of crap.

Hey, you're the one who spews forth material from books which quote studies inaccurately.. Either way, your answer shows me how utterly blown away you were by your own stupidity.. Keep digging yourself in deeper Dave.


IDIOT, unless there is a disruption of blood supply to the brain cells, there can be NO STROKE.
Cerebrovascular accident{stroke}n, abnormal condition in which hemorhage or blockage of the blood vessels of the brain leads to OXYGEN LACK.....ref...Barron's Medical Guide.

Umm.. Dave, have you read what you quoted or have you just jumped at the words OXYGEN LACK and started salivating like a dog. Now if you actually read your own words you would notice it says a stroke is CAUSED by a hemorhage or a blockage. A hemorhage is more likely as the blood vessel will burst.... I guess it's time to go back to primary school and learn to read eh Dave?

Dickhead...i'm refering to what nature produces, and what man produces{synthetic}.

Uhh... A chemical is a chemical Dave.

The real shame is that we have pissants like you acting as apologists and promoters of inadequate information, and foolishly believing your doing people a favour, you're only doing the pharmaceutical industry a favour.
Wow Dave... You utterly failed to dispute any of my points and went on rambling again. Don't worry nobody is taking you seriously anyway.. Ramble on.

[ImpyTimpy]

It just does Zombie, it just does.. You see, in Dave's world anything and everything JUST happens and people breathe through eating raw fruit.

Originally posted by Zombified

David, would you be so kind as to explain how air conditioning affects the partial pressure of oxygen inside the car? I was unaware that air conditioning affected the composition of air other than removing some water vapor. Thanks in advance.

[ImpyTimpy]

Originally posted by David Wilson

I would find a Naturopathic Doctor who was sympathetic to the views of Harvey Diamond, or contact Harvey Diamond at "PO Box 188, Osprey, FL 34229...or email at..ffdiamond@home.com.

The problem is blood fat levels inhibiting the proper reaction of blood sugar and insulin.{Ross Horne, Health Revolution 1984, AUS}

Funny.. Nobody is sure why the body stops producing insulin (cause of Diabetes mind you) but here you are telling us exactly why... Care to collect the nobel prize?

Now just to educate you, insulin works by "unlocking" cells so that they can absorb the carbo's and use them as fuel.

Why don't you only change your breakfast to...2 pieces of raw fruit.....don't change anything else, if there are no complications, gradually increase your fruit consumption...and exercise and deep breathing...also, if you use air con in the car/truck, wind down the window a little bit, it still cools the car and increases your supply of oxygen.

ALWAYS eat fruit on a empty stomach, as the fruit takes approx 25-35mins to digest and moves into the intestines{meat takes up to 4hrs to digest}, don't dump fruit on top of other foods.

You "shouldn't" drink after you eat...as it inhibits digestions efficiency, requiring more energy from your limited reserves., if you eat fruit, you can drink water in 30mins time, if you eat vege, 2hrs time{approx}.

Now this is a gem of stupidity Dave. The blood sugar level would sky rocket. Now I know you're slow so once again, carbo's are NOT good for a diabetic. Any form of carbo's are BAD because the body DOES NOT PRODUCE INSULIN properly.

Problem is, if i'm wrong, you lose $10, if i'm right you regain your health.
My Horror recommedation to you is to cautiously add a couple of pieces of fruit to your diet.....that's the extent of my quackery.

Dave, I will refrain from calling you names here since you might learn something(I doubt it). From his description of the extent of his diabetes he needs to have a very strict diet. You're introducing EXTRA carbo's into the diet which the INSULIN doses he needs to take will NOT cover. Once again, diabetes is CAUSED by the body not producing enough insulin or developing an insulin resistance. Carbo's are BAD for anyone with diabetes.


The BS about bacteria and fruit is silly and probably has its origins in the fame of the "Macrobiotic Diet"...which excludes fruit for fear of bacteria....but we have developed a symbiotic relationship with bacteria, it is excess bacteria or new ones that are the problem.

Being that you would be starting with small amounts of fruit, why not use organics.
Anyway, i'll leave it to you to decide.

Keep on truckin!!
Nobody is saying ALL bacteria is bad. In fact, please go back to high school and study science or biology(stay awake this time) to learn about microorganisms which are parasytic. These like to live in raw food and will not do your body well. As for symbiotic relationship with SOME bacteria, that is a part of EVERY organism with a digestive tract and has been for a VERY VERY long time.

There, hope you learn something for a change.

[jj]

I think we need the guy from ratbags.com to come over and discuss vaccination with you.

I also think that you're not worth the time of afternoon.

[kookbreaker]

Originally posted by PixyMisa

But what's a death here or there when you have the Full Truth, eh?

And who knew the TRVTH came in a $10 book!

[Phaycops]

Originally posted by kookbreaker


And who knew the TRVTH came in a $10 book!

Oh, yeah, that totally came out in paperback last year or the year before. So you're actually looking at about $6.99US! I wasn't that impressed with it, but I tend not to be with Pratchett's sort of "stand-alone" types of stories. C'mon, Pyramids was pretty crappy, and Small Gods had its moments, but you can totally tell that Vimes is his favorite character. I, for one, couldn't wait for the new one to come out in paperback, but it was well worth the $25. Anyway.

You know that he is sterile?

Good heavens. And why would it be an insult if I was? Mightn't it, in fact, be something very painful that I was struggling with? The reality of never passing on my genes and raising my children to be better than the genes/children of people (? I mean, well, sort of...) like Wilson over there? God, not only is the man insane, but insensitive, to boot!

[PixyMisa]

Pyramids and Small Gods are two of my favourites. Maybe it's because of the ptortoises.

[FutileJester]

Originally posted by PixyMisa
Pyramids and Small Gods are two of my favourites. Maybe it's because of the ptortoises.

Small Gods is one of my faves as well; great take on religion. The Turtle Moves! ;)

[Roadtoad]

Originally posted by FutileJester


Small Gods is one of my faves as well; great take on religion. The Turtle Moves! ;)

Our preference here was for Cohen the Barbarian. I read it out loud to my wife and kids. We were in hysterics for days.

"I never said it was good marmalade..."

[RichardR]

I wonder what happened to “bigfig Lite” (aka David Wilson). Wasn’t she going to edumucate all of us about the evils of vaccinations, or somethink?

Not that I care. It’s just rare for a troll to actually disappear this way. But why couldn’t she have taken a couple of the others with her? :D

[jj]

Personally, I think "Good Omens" is the way to go, but "Small Gods" and "Wyrd Sisters" are pretty good, too.

[jj]

Originally posted by David Wilson


Mr Turquiose.

You may have noticed i've been inundated with responses and information to respond to, as i anticipated would have happened.



I also notice that you haven't responded substantively to anything, nor have you provided any evidence to back up your extraordinary claims and assertions.

You are spectacularly bad at both documentation and namecalling.

You don't provide documentation at all, under the guise of "doing it later". You've made the claims, you're the one responsible for providing prompt, thorough evidence. Refusing to provide it simply proves your detractors' point.

As to namecalling:

Your namecalling is far too repetitious, you'd be torn into a pulp in seconds on alt.flame.

[jj]

Originally posted by David Wilson

The reason the Nigerians were murdered and tortured was Capitalism implemented by atheists, a truly religious person{compared to a superficial one{secular humanist,eg}, would never kill or torture, especially in pursuit of excess material goods.
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!

David, get help.

[Phaycops]

Originally posted by jj
Personally, I think "Good Omens" is the way to go, but "Small Gods" and "Wyrd Sisters" are pretty good, too.

OMG, just finished the new one, Night Watch, and I'm just totally impressed. On a par with The Fifth Elephant or Theif of Time, both of which I consider to be some of his best works. Oh, and Good Omens? I can read that over and over and never get sick of it. I keep buying it for people, too, knowing it's a great gift :)

[Blue Monk]

Originally posted by RichardR
I wonder what happened to “bigfig Lite” (aka David Wilson). Wasn’t she going to edumucate all of us about the evils of vaccinations, or somethink?

Not that I care. It’s just rare for a troll to actually disappear this way. But why couldn’t she have taken a couple of the others with her? :D

Perhaps after claiming that the smallpox vaccine killed more than it saved he(she/it) might have a hard time explaining why people aren't dropping like flies now that the vaccinations have begun.

Or perhaps he(she/it) got into another entrhalling debate with themselves.

David's got a good point but then again so does David. :)

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