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Ysidro
23rd October 2008, 04:13 AM
LOL! I have to get this out of my system. Someone turned on Faux News here at work and I just heard "Does the White House have a price? If so, is Barack Obama trying to buy his way in? Some people say yes."

Just when I think they'll never surprise me with inane statments they outdo themselves. One of these days I'll learn better.

leftysergeant
23rd October 2008, 05:32 AM
That would be a"no."

Millions of average working schlubs are buying it out from under the rich creeps who thought they owned it, $25-50-100 at a pop. I put up $25 myself.

BenBurch
23rd October 2008, 05:36 AM
If the funds situation were reversed, they would be claiming that the impressive fundraising showing of McCain was a "clear mandate."

Ausmerican
23rd October 2008, 08:46 AM
If it has a price Steve Forbes couldn't afford it and he was far wealthier than Obama. If the White House has a price doesn't it follow that the American people are buying it for Obama? And isn't that how it's supposed to work?

MattusMaximus
23rd October 2008, 08:52 AM
Fox News and the GOP are just whining again. Whaaaa!

Jimbo07
23rd October 2008, 09:26 AM
That would be a"no."

Millions of average working schlubs are buying it out from under the rich creeps who thought they owned it, $25-50-100 at a pop. I put up $25 myself.

I said it in the $150 mil thread...

Obama is breaking new ground. The previous paradigm for making campaign financing fair was to limit spending. That paradigm repeatedly failed, and the term "campaign finance reform" seemed to me to be a joke. People have been angry (especially on one side), because Obama didn't seem to be playing fair by not accepting public money and limiting spending. Well, he has changed politics already!

Instead of limiting spending, he's mobilized a massive base of small supporters. Yes, he is spending, but due to his leadership he is also fundraising incredibly. Moreover, because of the distribution of donors, he is not as beholden to particular powerful special interests for as significant a portion of his fundraising! I don't understand. He is taking back democracy, demolishing failed paradigms and his presidency really will be "of the people, by the people, for the people." This is not something Americans should be angry about, it is something that each and every American should be bursting at the seams with pride about!

MattusMaximus
23rd October 2008, 09:31 AM
Yes, we should all be proud of what Obama's accomplished here.

My guess is that most of the criticism ("he's buying the election") is coming from the very people who will lose power in the new paradigm - namely the amazingly wealthy, well-connected, and special interest groups. They know it is a new paradigm in U.S. politics, and it scares the hell out of them that the system they've helped build and nurture could be going away.

Praktik
23rd October 2008, 10:02 AM
Lol - so myopic over there in La-La-Land.

YES

actually Obama IS buying his way into the White House - but please explain to me how this hasn't been the case since the early days of the republic??

What else is new really Fox?

Jimbo07
23rd October 2008, 10:03 AM
Yes, we should all be proud of what Obama's accomplished here.

My guess is that most of the criticism ("he's buying the election") is coming from the very people who will lose power in the new paradigm - namely the amazingly wealthy, well-connected, and special interest groups. They know it is a new paradigm in U.S. politics, and it scares the hell out of them that the system they've helped build and nurture could be going away.

And the rotten thing about those bastards is they're going to try to convince the very poorest (and folks like BaC ;)) to go along with them. If I had to guess, it's for some of these deeper (if you will) reasons that Obama doesn't seem to be comfortable with only a minor lead. He seems to know it is important not only to shift this paradigm, but also show that it can win decisively. The problem is, to get this, you have to put a picture together of the man from the way he says things and writes things, not what he says. There's no time to talk political philosophy on the campaign trail... but wait 'til after his presidential term(s). ;)

MM: If Obama wins, Americans should be proud, not only of what Obama's accomplished, but what he has led Americans themselves to accomplish! If Obama wins, Americans should be proud of themselves. As it is, I believe he has already made an impact on politics, as some of our politicians are starting to look south...

dudalb
23rd October 2008, 01:46 PM
Yeah, the whining on Fox is intolerable.
I don't mind them having a bias...MSNBC seems to be also erasing the difference between the news shows and the opinion shows, but in the opposite directions...but the whining is making sure I seldom if every tune into Fox nowdays.

moon1969
23rd October 2008, 02:30 PM
Did they say anything about George Soros? Fox news claims that George Soros is a communist who owns the democratic party. :D
They should really compare George Soros to Rupert Murdoch or Richard Mellon Scaife. George Soros is a good man while Rupert Murdoch and Richard Mellon Scaife are crooks. Ted Turner might be crazy because Ted Turner said that North Korea is a good place. Who gives more money to charity Rupert Murdoch or Warren Buffett?

Praktik
23rd October 2008, 02:58 PM
Did they say anything about George Soros? Fox news claims that George Soros is a communist who owns the democratic party. :D

Thats because "socialist" and "communist" have become synonyms for "bad". SO they don't like Soros or his politics, he's "bad", and since "bad" = "communist", Soros = "communist".

I mean, if Soros were really a communist, would he even be where is today? Heck, he's not even "socialist" in the classical sense of the term sense its by dint of the free market and his astute perceptions thereof that he has made his billions.

Its just such an infantile discourse, and you have all these people with university degrees and I'm sure a higher than average intelligence talking like this as if it makes sense.

It only does in your parallel universe nincompoops! To us outsiders, it surely comes across as intellectually bankrupt and silly.

Another word that comes to mind is retarded.

boloboffin
23rd October 2008, 03:05 PM
As has every inhabitant before him.