FEMA death camps. Whats the deal with them?

[Quad4_72]

Got into it with a few twoofers on youtube and they kept insisting that we are soon to be put into FEMA death camps. They showed me videos of old factories that are supposedly death camps. They also told me that FEMA is mass producing plastic coffins (which for some reason are stored on the side of the road...). So what I am asking is where in the hell did they get this stuff from? I did some research and found a bunch of garbage websites that I did not feel like reading through. Can someone give me the jist of where they got these ridiculous ideas from?

http://www.uaff.us/deathcamps.htm
http://revlu.com/camps.htm

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wYp85QMJd1Q

[Smackety]

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=118619

Some people just dont understand the size of our population and the number of coffins we will necessarily go through, that is all.

[240-185]

FEMA does not have any death camp.
FEMA does have camps for foreign political refugees.

If FEMA camps existed, not only the conspiracists would scream, but bigger groups than, uh, Democrats.

FEMA did not make 500,000 coffins.
There aren't 500,000 coffins.

[dtugg]

A twoofer was trying tell me about how I am going to end up in a FEMA death camp because, apparently, Alex Jones was ranting about it. I had to remind the twoofer that if the death camps were real, people like him and Alex Jones are the ones that are going to end up there and that the NWO might be nice enough to let me be a guard.

[Toke]

Why use coffins in a deathcamp?

[SDC]

Not only that (Toke's comment) but, with the price of oil high, why plastic coffins? What -- do they think plastic grows on trees? Actually, those Youtube heroes probably do think that.

Coffins in deathcamps... my gosh what stupidity.

[Toke]

Yes, I would use a conveyer belt to the incinerator, instead of coffins.

[liverleef]

You know about 13 years ago I was working with a guy who big into this kinda thing. He and I worked together in a small office, just us. We eventually became close friends because we spent so much time together and discussion of black helicopters and FEMA was one of his favorite topics. He gave me a VHS tape called "BANNED". It had scenes of black helicopters and places that were supposedly FEMA death camps. I also recall that it showed a close up of the back of an interstate sign. It had the name of the Interstate on one side and a sticker on the back. Now I've noticed those stickers before and assumed that the dept of transportation puts them there for some reason. According to the video, when the NWO begins their takeover, these stickers will guide the FEMA agents to the appropriate death camp. I'm not making any of this up.

Also it showed a house that was all burnt out and supposedly this was a result of some sort of missile attack by the government because the owner of the house was exposing the plans of the NWO. The house was in a residential neighborhood which made the claim especially silly. I haven't seen my friend in many years, in fact since before 911. I often wonder if he still buys into all of it. I don't know who started all this FEMA death camp stuff but I know it was around long before 911.

[liverleef]

A twoofer was trying tell me about how I am going to end up in a FEMA death camp because, apparently, Alex Jones was ranting about it. I had to remind the twoofer that if the death camps were real, people like him and Alex Jones are the ones that are going to end up there and that the NWO might be nice enough to let me be a guard.

I never thought of that. When the NWO starts herding people into the death camps they'll go after Alex Jones and his followers first. Sheeples like you and I will likely either go last or will be given some cushy job to do like making plastic coffins or something.

[geni]

Not only that (Toke's comment) but, with the price of oil high, why plastic coffins? What -- do they think plastic grows on trees? Actually, those Youtube heroes probably do think that.

Probably an update on carbord coffins.


Coffins in deathcamps... my gosh what stupidity.

I can sort of see an argument that with incinerators being hard to construct on the quiet the plan would be to transport the bodies offsite.

The real reason is probably that stockpileing plastic coffines sounds deeply buracratic and highly inhumanising. At the same time they would be fairly easy to hide so as an idea is has appeal to certian groups.

ETA of course this doesn't adress the problem of why bother with death camps in the clasical sense at all. Modern chemical weapons are quite good. Just round people up in a radom field throw in a canister of VX agent and machine gun anyone who tries to run.

[Toke]

ETA of course this doesn't adress the problem of why bother with death camps in the clasical sense at all. Modern chemical weapons are quite good. Just round people up in a radom field throw in a canister of VX agent and machine gun anyone who tries to run.

Sounds messy, like Rwanda.

[Quad4_72]

I asked these twoofers for a reputable source stating that the government was the one making these "coffins" but instead I got more youtube videos. Go figure.

[geni]

Sounds messy, like Rwanda.

Killing large numbers of people is always going to result in some mess.

[PB2007]

Does anyone know what they are then?

Look too large for coffins to me and the idea of throwing them straight into an incinerator (as mentioned in one video) doesn't seem practical. Also why line them up along the road for anyone to see??? Must have a real use - just wondered what it was?

Perhaps everyone in America is getting a free mini swimming pool? Dig a hole, throw in the plastic liner and fill with water.

[Toke]

I recall one tread that concluded it was a store of big plastic pipes for a construction company. Like drainpipes under highways or something like that.

[moon1969]

Ahmadinejad is going to start those camps in Iran? Ahmadinejad said that the holocaust is a myth. Bush has never denied the holocaust like Ahmadinejad has.

[sleeplessdwarf]

For those who wont take the time to go to the thread posted above. If you have questions you should take the time to read what people answer.

July 21st, 2008 at 11:25 am
Got a response from Polyguard:
Polyguard and Co.
Afton, WY 83110
1-800-654-1067
RE: infowars.com Cryptogon.com disclose.tv and all other paranoid sites!!!
To Whom this May Concern:
As you all know, death is one of those issues that we all fear yet we all will go through it at some time in our life and we have most all experienced a loved one passing away. In fact there is as average of 2.5 million deaths occurring each year. Some are cremated and some are buried. Most burials require an outside burial container to go around the casket to keep the ground from settling and the aesthetics of the cemetery beautiful with the least amount of maintenance needed. Until about 30 years or so ago, the only outside burial containers available were Concrete or wooden boxes. Because of modern technology, there are now other alternatives to concrete such as fiberglass and polymers (plastic).
I am not sure how Polyguard became associated with the burial vaults that are stored in Georgia. Those vaults are manufactured by our competitors in Georgia. However, the Manufacturers own the property they are stored on and there is no big secret surrounding the vaults. Because of manufacturing costs and the ability to manufacture 2 parts probably every 2 – 5 minutes, once the process begins, to be cost effective you manufacture until your raw products are gone. This creates inventory that can be rotated and used as needed.
In the funeral service industry, there is a program called "pre-need" which allows families to go to a funeral home or cemetery and pre-pay for their funeral merchandise and services. I would guess that most of these vaults have been pre-sold and they are meeting the requirement of the storage program set forth by the manufacturing company and the Federal Trade Commission who governs funeral service. Because we do not own the vaults and are not the manufacturers of the vaults, I cannot tell you those numbers for sure.
Many of you keep referencing a patent for a cremation container. This product never even made it to the market as far as I know. If it did, it is not the same product that is being stored at the manufacturers storage facility in Georgia. DO NOT CONFUSE THE TWO ITEMS!!!!
If this information does not help ease your mind, you are welcome to call us.
Debbie Sainz
Polyguard & Co., LLC




The property on Lions Club Road in Madison, Georgia is leased by Vantage
Products.

The product stored on the property are standard burial vaults, please see
our web page for information on this product - vantageproducts (I can't post the link)

The majority of cemeteries across the United States require the use of a
burial vault when a body is interred. The use of a burial vault, plastic or
concrete, is to prevent the collapse of the ground in the cemetery
and to protect the casket placed inside.

In the funeral and/or death care industry there is a common practice of
people making their funeral arrangements prior to death. Many people
like to make their own selections for the casket and burial vaults that will
be used at the time of their death. Once this selection has been made
the local funeral home that has made the arrangements can purchase the
burial vault product from Vantage Products and we will store it for them
until that person dies.

We maintain detailed records of ownership of the products and require a
certificate of ownership to be sent to us before products can be released.
Additionally, we are annually audited by several states including Georgia
to insure that we have all of the products that our records indicate and
that are on file with each of the participating states.

These products are not owned by any one individual person, company or the
government. Additionally, there are only about 50,000 vaults in storage in
Madison, no where near the quantity that is being discussed openly on the net.

In the United States there are approximately 1,300,000 deaths each year.
Of those deaths there are about 900,000 in ground burials preformed
every year. Only a small percentage of those people have pre arranged
there burial.

I hope this has answered you questions. Please do not hesitate to contact
me if you have additional questions.

Cordially,

Michael A. Lacy
Vice President of Operations
Vantage Products Corporation
960 Almon Road
Covington, GA 30014
770-788-0136 Office
770-788-0361 Fax
404-545-8022 Cell
mlacy@vantageproducts.com


AS you can see in the other thread this has been researched and very simply explained.

[sleeplessdwarf]

Just incase the above was not fun enough for you.


from abovetopsecret
SkullShoals
Posted on 8/12/2008 @ 11:16 AM


Well, well... this discussion on abovetopsecret.com was even mentioned in the local paper in Madison, GA this past week. It made the front page.

They checked the facts. All these conspiracy theories surrounding the containers, although pretty entertaining, are completely bogus.

morgancountycitizen com... /7524 (Can't post urls yet--you know how to put it together)

Conspiracy or simply storage?
Theories surface around vaults stored in Madison
By Kathryn Purcell
Managing Editor

Type in "Madison, GA" under Google's Blog Search, and it shows up on the first page. Search "Madison, GA" on YouTube, and it's the first video that shows up. Web sites like Alex Jones' Infowars.com and AboveTopSecret.com are talking about it.
As of late, some of these sources have started to link the government, particularly the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to rows and rows of black, plastic "coffins," 500,000 to be exact, currently being stored outdoor in a field within the city limits of Madison.
Theories abound as to whether these are being stored near a major transportation hub (Atlanta) in an effort by the government to prepare for American victims of biological warfare, or whether they are being stored for a natural, or man-made, disaster.
Even more sinister, some of these sources speculate that these "coffins" are part of a conspiracy on the part of the government that involves the institution of martial law, the separation of desirable and non-desirable citizens, according to government opinion, and the establishment of American concentration camps, some of which are currently functional, according to these sources.
"Yep, these are cheap plastic coffins. Hundreds of thousands of them. Don't believe it? Why coffins? Why in the middle of Georgia?" the entry "Half a Million Plastic Coffins?" on Alex Jones' Infowars.com, dated July 18, states. "Well, apparently the Government is expecting a half million people to die relatively soon, and the Atlanta Airport is a major airline traffic hub, probably the biggest in the country, which means Georgia is a prime base to conduct military operations and coordination. It is also the home of the CDC, the Center for Disease Control. I don't want to alarm anyone, but usually you don't buy 500,000 plastic coffins ‘just in case something happens,' you buy them because you know something is going to happen. These air tight seal containers would be perfect to bury victims of plague or biological warfare in, wouldn't they?"
While the origins of the theories are unclear, there are blog postings that date back to December 2007 (AboveTopSecret.com), although the majority of postings have come within the latter half of July. And, according to Vantage Products Corporation Vice President of Operations Michael Lacey, that's exactly when the calls started pouring in.

"It's been going on for quite a while, about a week," Lacey said.
Lacey maintains that the theories regarding the property, and what's on it, aren't quite accurate.
The "coffins" aren't coffins at all, according to Lacey. Instead, they are burial vaults, "the outer container for caskets," Lacey said, placed in the ground before the coffin to protect the coffin and maintain level ground above.
There are currently 50,000 of these burial vaults on the property, according to Lacey. As the vaults were placed on the site around 1997 or 1998, there may have been as many as 70,000 or 80,000 to begin with.
"It's nowhere near the quantity they talk about on the Internet," Lacey said.
This quantity of burial vaults, Vantage's Standard Air Seal model in black, also the least expensive model and the most in-demand, was made to cater to what Lacey calls the funeral industry's "pre-need." This "pre-need" occurs when people make arrangements for their funeral before they actually pass away, so that the family doesn't have to go through the perceived stress of making the arrangements. When these arrangements are made, the products are paid for; obviously, though, they are not yet needed.
So, Vantage stores the product until the person dies, and the product is needed.
Further, pallets of the burial vaults are moved truckloads at a time, as there is space for a palate at the
Contrary to the beliefs of the theorists, then, the burial vaults aren't owned by the government, or FEMA. Instead, they're owned by individuals, or not yet sold.
"They're not owned by any one individual, company or the government," Lacey said.
Further, Vantage leases the land, located at 1200 Madison Industrial Boulevard, from Conyers Welding & Supply and has for four to five years, a fact confirmed by Conyers Welding & Supply. Conyers Welding & Supply took over the lease when the property was purchased from Robert Usury in 2000. Usury purchased the property in 1989, according to information provided by the Morgan County Tax Assessor's Office and the Morgan County Online Public Property Portal.
The answer as to why the vaults are being stored in Madison? To put it simply, the Covington-based manufacturer got a good deal close to home.
"It was the most cost-effective place," Lacey said.

[PB2007]

For those who wont take the time to go to the thread posted above. If you have questions you should take the time to read what people answer

I'll assume that is a dig at me, I most humbly apologise. I gave up reading the link after the 3rd page of bickering. The answer was on page 4. Incidentally i did start to read that letter but once i realised the source was infowars i skipped it.....

[sleeplessdwarf]

My bad. I didn't really mean to make a dig. I just thought of myself when I first came to this site, and I had tons of questions like this but I spent hours going through old threads and found most of what I was looking for. But then again I came here trying to get the CT habit out of my system so it was a good thing for me to read EVERYONE'S ideas on different subjects. And besides, you gave me the chance to get my 15th post so now I can paste links. :D

[PB2007]

And besides, you gave me the chance to get my 15th post so now I can paste links.

Beers are on you, then? :)

[Quad4_72]

Good info sleepless. What do the CFs say when they read those articles?

[maccy]

Does anyone know what they are then?

Look too large for coffins to me and the idea of throwing them straight into an incinerator (as mentioned in one video) doesn't seem practical. Also why line them up along the road for anyone to see??? Must have a real use - just wondered what it was?

Perhaps everyone in America is getting a free mini swimming pool? Dig a hole, throw in the plastic liner and fill with water.

They're coffin vaults, they go over the top of the coffin, I think to protect from subsidence, I believe. The reason why they are stacked up is that a lot of people pay for their funerals in advance, and if they do so ten everything they've paid for has to be bought and put into storage. It's a legal requirement, as far as I know. All the details are in a big thread somewhere, probably the one linked to, above (I haven't checked, this is all from memory).

A quick google for "coffin vault" turns up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burial_vault_(enclosure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burial_vault_%28enclosure))
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burial_liner
http://www.need2know.eu/?p=682

and (from the need2know link):

http://www.polyguardvaults.com/index.cfm?ID=9

Edit: and sleeplessdwarf has already covered this! Sorry, I'm a bit dozy at the moment.

[Hokulele]

Can someone give me the jist of where they got these ridiculous ideas from?


Deep-seated paranoia.

[Quad4_72]

Deep-seated paranoia.

Its a good thing none of these nutters have any power over anything.