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SusanConstant
29th October 2008, 05:33 PM
I came here one night as I was curious; I feel I can fulfill this contract i.e. prove what is believed to be impossible. I began reading it and decided not ot ever attempt it as it seems so tedious. The rules seem ridiculously detialed as if to wear you out and so make you feel Why bother? I have another objective in mind, another rason besides money, so I could care less. Then, I read a post in which a person asked, "What psychic abilities do you have?" The first response was (not exact words) , "Hello! If any of us had any of these abilites we would be going after that milion dollar prize NOT posting here!" I burst out laughing as that is exactly true but then not true at all; it is all about perception versus reality. So I went back to that contract as I can resonably assume other people merely do not bother trying; they might all have a different reason.

A person can do all this contract requires. They can fulfill it. BUT, as this was written from the standpoint that it is not possible to do so, I truly believe an actual impossible standard was accidentlly or mistakenly written into it thus, even if a person does all required of them they cannot then collect the cash.

I am a constitutional scholar; my area of expertise IS contract law as our law is made up of two, signed, legally binding, federal contracts. We are subject to terms not conditions, as a term is a condition you place upon yourself as no other person forces us to do anything or even to obey the law as we all volunteer. You cannot place a condition on another human being as you do not control them but only your own self. You cannot enforce that, lol! Our law requires you to accept the others persons word that they will abide by the terms or suffer the consequences thereof. [Try telling Congress this!]

My credentials are: I am the one and only person to be certified and heard as a pro se constitutional authority case of original jurisdiction within United States Supreme Court. I am the one and only person ever ot be certified an absolute class of one. EVER. I then was able to do it a second time by becoming the only person ever to be of the ability ot directly sue the Chief Justice as an office, the institution, and by his name and then the whole court as an institution for an actual violation of my civil rights based upon WOMAN & SUSAN exactly (I'm absolute, so it's every fact of SUSAN; not any Susan THIS exact Susan). I'm being heard again as case number 08-6622, In Re Susan. So, I know more about US law, contract law, than any living person and perhaps any person ever as I have done what was deemed to be impossible, absolutely impossible, twice over and if anyone else knew more or knew different, then their name would also be on my suit as a plaintiff as all 300 million of you had standing to make this case and/or they would be opposing me. I stand alone.

I overturned Bush V Gore. It is airtight. By hearing me but then denying me oral argument w/o reason as there is none as math is math and exact words are exact words, as an absolute class of one has won before entering the court or else she would not be absolute, and as all other authority caes and al other original jurisidiction caes were all brought by men on behalf of men and received oral argument, the Supreme Court was informing you Bush V Gore was unconstitutional and the actual reasoning why it was and that I overturned it. You're supposed to read these cases and decsions as ignorance is not an excuse in the eyes of the law. The press does not decide cases - the court does and then you do, as you can obey or disobey the ruling. The question becomes: Is remedy and relief availble to this citizen and if it is can we then award it? I asked for, as I ordered it via an Executive Order I wrote: Hearing! Placment upon the docket and hearing as hearing is READING the case in US Supreme Court. The Justices read it thus hear it i ntheir heads; most cases never receive oral argument. I trusted you knuckleheads to be good, dutiful citizens and so go ******* over getting hornswoggled into 8 years of this by nasty lawyers and their nasty lawyer tricks. as you were duped but Justice Rhenquist left the door open for any one of us to then sue. He did something more clever then John Marshall. I am then a qualified expert in contract law.

Anyway, this contract contains what I know to be an impossible standard. Bear with me: It is not impossible to prove what you believe to be impossible is actually possible. I did that, did I not? You can then prove beyomd any and all doubt the impossible is not impossible but possible. You can prove what is not visible. A force is not visible to the naked eye; the result, say, a bent spoon (lol!) or a correct reading of cards from a room away is visible. You can weigh and measure the result of the force or thing. See, you can not travel faster than light so no person ran ahead of a beam of light to then prove Einstein's theory was fact. We measured the result of his theory at work in the world: Based upon his theory, he then predicted how an eclipse would behave. We measured what we could see or perceive NOT what we could not see or do as it was humanly impossible. We did not demand any person actually run ahead of a beam of light, lol! As it is not possible to run that fast you cannot measure that but only the result.

You cannot demand a person run that fast, go back in time, turn from an old man into a baby, then return to tell us all about it and even if you could, how would we know it as fact unless we too went there with you? How do we ever measure you? What would be proof? Would a book of history actually changing before your very eyes due to that person going back and doing it differently then be proof? No, as that actually happened and you did not bat an eye. You were completely unaware of it as you have lost all self-awareness. Your point of reference is no longer the exact words of the law but what unjust men have done and are doing as in you're all crooks now so the one crook who is not went unnoticed. When it was pointed out ot you then you denied it ever happened. You held the US sUpreme Court docket in your hands, you read my name and said, "You were not heard in this court!" Proof is I did not see you on TV! Proof is nobody else knew Bush V Gore was illegal! Proof is the Justices do not ever make mistakes!" When I named the mistakes they have made as in Plessy you then said "That's different!" No, as a mistake is a mistake. We reargued Plessy as Brown and so changed the law. Or did we? The law does not name BLACK, NATIVE, WOMAN or any group exactly; it does not exactly, with exact words, exclude anybody. The law always covered blacks and women as well as natives. We never actually needed the 14th or 19th amendments.

Here's the problem: YOU. We finally had to add those amendments as you refused to apply the law to those groups. You could all read. It was your belief about white men being superior deemed to be a law, an absolute fact, that caused us to have to add those amedments as you said We will not unless we see it in writing or We will not ever so this is war. Well, can you see war? do you see who wins and who loses? YOU demanded we prove what was already reality as you looked right at it and all of the results but denied actual reality; you deneid equal protection and due proces was real for me; you insisted it was only real for you. Even after Brown you still refused to act and so obey what was exactly law and what was obvious, blacks are not defective and so are as human as we are, as a human is a human, for another 10 years.

So if what was absolute fact in the South is not fact today and is even illegal and not many people condone it anymore, what changed? The time? The place? Or you? YOU, the instrument used as a measuring stuick changed; you recalibrated your own self; you fine tuned you as you are the experiment but also the experiementer. You checked and balcned yourself with and against the other citizens until you finally squared up perfectly with the exact words of our law. Perfectly? Is that possible? Is it reality? No, as discrimination is still reality. If all of you did it prefectly discrimination would not still be happening. BUT, what if you did do it prefectly like light?

A Geiger counter does not measure what radiation actually IS; a voltimeter does not measure what electricty actualy IS. These instruments only measure the results, the perception. A Geiger counter tells you nothng about how atoms and subatoms are behaving and interacting. You cannot see it. So, you measure the effect of atoms behaving in that certai nway under those certain conditions. Thus, if every instrument is calibrated to measure only the perception you never then know the actual reality until you reclaibrate the instrumnet, use another instrument or invent a brand new one. Right now CERN is atmepting to photogrpah the actual reality as we still only measure the effect, the perception but do not know as fact the actual reality of the actual stucture and actual behavior or even if this actual particle exists. CERN truly believes a photograph will prove a theory as actual reality. They have denied the fact that as we exist and specific things happen in this univese then this particle does. Why need visible proof? Aren't you proof? No, not if you are acting upon the true belief, a belief you hold as law, absolute fact w/o question, that God is not real and that nowhere in our law is God named. Can you read? A Creator is exactly named. Did you create yourself? Did your mother create you? Did she have a Creator or was she first? Are you spending billions of dollars to prove it exist or ot prove it is a Creator not God as that photo? It will not be a photo of the word Creator or the word God. It will be a particle and it will document its behavior but it will not read Creator versus God so then, are we actually arguing if that particle is the Creator? Because you have told me you do not and will never believe, the concept will never rest in your head, that you had any Creator outside of yourself be it particle or Creator or God. I cannot force a person who is not wiling to reason to then reason; he will hold ten thousand photos of that particle in his hands and deny what he is looking at; he will accuse me of going to Kinko's and making it up or he will then say he needs more or othr proof when he said that photo would be proof to him, that that photo would meet his burden of proof sstandard, so he is now changing the conditions. He can nevr, ever be satisfied. EVER. You said you would consider it fact if you saw a photo so you get it and now, that is not proof enough!

Going through this contract I found what I belivee to be an impossible standard as it is based upon a wholly false assumption and an exact lie. I do not belive this was done on purpose in any way but was a mistake as, like I said, the person or people who wrote it posess the belief, held as true and law, that something called the pyschic or divine or magic does not exist. They were acting as if it could not be fulfilled when they wrote it never reasoning what if it could be fulfilled and we then were forced to admit something we will go to our graves denying? That we will go to war over? That we will never, ever be satisfied as we are not ever going to accept this concept as real in our heads? Or even as possible?

I do not know how else to reason this for you as it is massive and as I went out and proved you all wrong and then you DENIED IT. I too am clever. I realized I could prove this and so fufill this contract by wholly different means. Like Einstein using an eclipse. Then I reasoned that wait, if heard in US Supreme Court that then is proof and they all have it. I never wanted money! I set out to prove something else entirely and realized I was proving this. Oh, I have made some incredible claims but you can ignore all of them save one single point of law or one piece of proof rising beyond any and all doubt; you can ignore every single thing I say or write save one single point, something absolutely obvious to any observer, and you never, ever defeat me. EVER. Unless you: Begin lying, changing the conditions or changing the words in that contract. You've got to convince me to rengotiate it when you're in default or to negotiate a negative contract. Constitutional scholars do not do that.

If you stand there and watch it, see it, how do you then defeat me? I realized as you were skewed none of you knew you have been measuring the perception not the actual thing! I had no idea you were doing this until some of you held that docket in your hands and refused to accept what was actual reality: I'm the person who overtruned Bush V Gore or else my name would not be on the docket nor would I be certified an absolute class on one. As you all belived Bush V gore to be legal and believed that the court could make law (it cannot; the legislative does) and belived you were powerless, you ddi nothign and let all of your rghts be violated and even let an illegal war be waged when we had n ogood evidnce to be at war. You began dying for the preservation of the institution and the dead paper and not the constitituion. No American and no citizen of an actual constitutional nation is ever, ever ot die in defense of an institution. EVER. But you did; you all obeyed like lambs to the slaughter.

I expected you to rise up in anger. What di you do? Denied it, as it makes you feel rotten. The truth hurts as none of what has transpired in the last 8 years had to but did only as you were wiling ot break the law or let others break it when our law is: If this ever happens start shooting as it is known as a coup. You all missed an actual coup occur, as it did, as you belived all coups are violent. NO; we are unique in all the world. If a coup ever happened here it would be silent and the founders warned you.

So, I do not care about money but I would like to prove that what you all deny as real is actual reality. And that this contract contains an impossible standard. What? Was JREF supposed ot babysit me the whole time I used what you call the psychic to enter US Supreem Court as I did as I made miracles happen in real life? With deliberation? Even if JREF said Susan, we are wiling to watch you in action the entire time, that would be no fun and a pain in the butt especially as money is not my thing. I will prove it personally to you. Here. W/O pay. How? YOU. As you al have this power only you do not know it as you are not aware of it as I once was not.

I have been doing some of this stuff my whole life only it was so slight I had no idea you could not! I'm inteligent oso people would say That happened because you're smart. I believed that not ever realizing How does being samrt make you be able to know exactly what book and what page contains the info you need never havign seen the book? Or not knowing it even exists? How can you then go to a library and walk down an aisle until a book appears, pull it and open it up to the exact page you need? How can brains make a storm appear or lightning strike? How can brains make you know the contents of an office or home you have never been inside? Or another brain? Another persons head? I never had to exert will to do it, it happened, it is, so other people found it odd and Explained it all away: Susan is smart. That's why she just did that.

Your brain is a factor as you use only a tiny percent of it and most of you are left or right brianed not whole brained thinkers. Discrimination? It shuts down your brain, pathways in your brain - literally. That is what Thurgood Marshall argued; he said it was an emotional injury that changed you in a physical way. It wasn't proven with science until the 70's. Life was Thurgood's proof.

You certainly seem smart enough to me to be able to figure this out and so do it. None of you strike me as stupid or unable and incapapble; maybe some of you are unwilling but that's it.

Go to the websites for the Coral Castle near Homestead, FL. Ed Leedeskin said any person who was observant could figure out how he built it w/o any modern tools. What stands out to you? What strikes you as odd? or fact? Useless? Common? Then read what others think and read his pamphlets. Ed wrote a few and I know two are online. Ask yourself why a Pyramid is on the back of our dollar bill as the Freemasons are not it completely? Can you name anything unique about FL that is exactly the same as something related to Egypt and the Pyramids? That is unique in all this wrold? That matches Ed's Castle? If you can begin reasoning this and go all the way you might be able to collect that prize money as I already have the argument to defeat that impossible standard as it is not so impossible if you know it beforehand as you're psychic, lol.


I told some of you and you refused to believe it: An actual psychic would not then bother to attmept to fulfill this contract unless she had a willing partner who wanted to recalibrate their instrument and so become "psychic". If you are not psychic now, will becoming psychic then be enough proof for you? I'd charge you but my true belief is it is unethical and immoral to charge for what is an actual gift as all actual gifts? They are unconditional! Who charges and who then pays for an actual gift? Money is a condition!!!

P.S. Most of the people calling themselves psychic? Liars, fakers, cheaters, charlatans and crooks. That's why I called myself In Re Susan.

lionking
29th October 2008, 05:50 PM
Are you after a response?

Gord_in_Toronto
29th October 2008, 06:00 PM
Excuse me?

By hearing me but then denying me oral argument w/o reason as there is none as math is math and exact words are exact words, as an absolute class of one has won before entering the court or else she would not be absolute, and as all other authority caes(sic) and al other original jurisidiction(sic) caes(sic) were all brought by men on behalf of men and received oral argument, the Supreme Court was informing you Bush V Gore was unconstitutional and the actual reasoning why it was and that I overturned it. :confused:

Right now CERN is atmepting(sic) to photogrpah(sic) the actual reality as we still only measure the effect, the perception but do not know as fact the actual reality of the actual stucture and actual behavior or even if this actual particle exists. CERN truly believes a photograph will prove a theory as actual reality. :boggled:

And so forth and so on. :(

So don't sign the damned contract then! :eek:

Sheesh.

:pigsfly

drkitten
29th October 2008, 06:06 PM
You cannot demand a person run that fast, go back in time, turn from an old man into a baby, then return to tell us all about it and even if you could, how would we know it as fact unless we too went there with you?

You may be a constitutional scholar, but you're a lousy contract reader.

This is actually covered quite simply in the contest rules. In fact, it's "the most important rule."


1. This is the primary and most important of these rules: Applicant must state clearly in advance, and applicant and JREF will agree upon, what powers and/or abilities will be demonstrated, the limits of the proposed demonstration (so far as time, location and other variables are concerned) and what will constitute both a positive and a negative result.

The point of the challenge application is for the Applicant to propose an acceptable standard of proof, which the JREF will agree with (if it's reasonable.)



How do we ever measure you? What would be proof? Would a book of history actually changing before your very eyes due to that person going back and doing it differently then be proof? No, as that actually happened and you did not bat an eye. You were completely unaware of it as you have lost all self-awareness.

... which suggests that you picked either a bad sort of proof to offer, or a bad power to demonstrate (time travel is always tricky, as the SF writers have established over the years). How about you use your power of time travel to predict the future --- tell Randi what the headline in the New York Times will be on November 8, 2008. How about you go back in time and bury a bill with a specific serial number in the cornerstone of a house about to be demolished, and then come back and tell us what that serial number is?

Sure, there are probably lots of ways that a skilled magician could force a bill into a sealed cornerstone, but you're not using those; Randi doesn't have to have proof absolute, but merely a demonstration that fulfils the already established criteria for success.

"SUCCESS: When the cornerstone of this house is opened, there will be a US Federal Reserve note, series 2006, serial # A31696096 A, found within it.
FAILURE: There will be no such note found."

At this point, the videotape will either catch the note, or it won't.

shadron
29th October 2008, 06:11 PM
Ahhhhh. The Force is strong in this one. Best stand upwind.

Going through this contract I found what I belivee to be an impossible standard as it is based upon a wholly false assumption and an exact lie. I do not belive this was done on purpose in any way but was a mistake as, like I said, the person or people who wrote it posess the belief, held as true and law, that something called the pyschic or divine or magic does not exist.The JREF believes true magic (ability to act outside of science, perhaps) is non-existent. You believe it does exist, and you claim you can prove it. How is that an impediment to being able to build a contract to test your belief?

... They were acting as if it could not be fulfilled when they wrote it never reasoning what if it could be fulfilled and we then were forced to admit something we will go to our graves denying? That we will go to war over? That we will never, ever be satisfied as we are not ever going to accept this concept as real in our heads? Or even as possible?No. If it "can be fulfilled", i.e., you demonstrate true magic, then you win. No war required. Just write a protocol which eliminates the possibility of fraud and makes the possibility you can win by pure chance very, very low, get it approved, and then do it. Twice. That's all. Doesn't make any difference whether JREF can "accept the concept" or not.

You seem to have the words; all you need to do is put your proocol where your keyboard is. With all you law expertise, you should know what "meeting of the minds" means.

Hokulele
29th October 2008, 10:04 PM
I would recommend reading her earlier thread, and then dropping the whole thing.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=3980399#post3980399

CFLarsen
30th October 2008, 12:01 AM
"You", "you", "you".

Who, exactly, is this addressed to?

We are dealing with someone who "overturned" Bush vs. Gore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore)?

Someone who can overrule a Supreme Court decision? Really?

Pantaz
30th October 2008, 12:47 AM
We are dealing with someone who "overturned" Bush vs. Gore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore)?

Someone who can overrule a Supreme Court decision? Really?

No, her petition was denied, as was her subsequent Petition for Rehearing.

chillzero
30th October 2008, 02:16 AM
Thread moved as the OP states no claim is beign made.

Everyone, please do not indulge further in personalised responses. Discuss the issues raised, or do not post. Please remember the MA, and in particular Rule 12.

Locknar
30th October 2008, 05:49 AM
I came here one night as I was curious; I feel I can fulfill this contract i.e. prove what is believed to be impossible. I began reading it and decided not ot ever attempt it as it seems so tedious. The rules seem ridiculously detialed as if to wear you out and so make you feel Why bother? <snip>
Well, I'm not a lawyer but have watched every episode of Perry Mason so I feel completely qualified to respond.

The "rules" are detail oriented, as any scientific testing/process would be.

If you feel the process of stating

1) your claim
2) the conditions you can fulfill the claim
3) what constitutes success

to be to tedious - then don't apply.

As to the bulk of your post...all smoke and mirrors and not relevant to the process or any claim you might make.

RoboTimbo
30th October 2008, 05:53 AM
If your complaint can be demonstrated to be falacious and the test is, in fact, winnable (assuming that you can do the paranormal thing that you say you can), will you apply for the MDC?

fagin
30th October 2008, 06:28 AM
If you are not interested in the money, do it for your personal satisfaction, and give me the money. I'm not proud.
Whatever it is that you can do - too many words for me.

zooterkin
30th October 2008, 06:28 AM
tl;dr

JonathanS
3rd November 2008, 07:50 AM
The original post is so confusing and poorly written I could not finish reading it. I tried 3 times and literally ended up with a headache.

Being able to make someone who lives thousands of miles away from you instantaneously have a migraine from reading one post could be an interesting MDC challenge.. it takes a special gift to be able to do that.

Calcas
3rd November 2008, 09:05 AM
So, I know more about US law, contract law, than any living person and perhaps any person ever...

Well, that's good enough for me.:jaw-dropp

Drudgewire
3rd November 2008, 09:08 AM
Here's the problem: YOU.


Well it's nice to hear that from someone who isn't breaking up with me for once. :p

JWideman
4th November 2008, 04:06 PM
I don't get it - what IS the standard and how is it impossible?

Blackwell
4th November 2008, 04:25 PM
I came here one night as I was curious; I feel I can fulfill this contract i.e. prove what is believed to be impossible. I began reading it and decided not ot ever attempt it as it seems so tedious. The rules seem ridiculously detialed as if to wear you out and so make you feel Why bother? ...

Susan,
Have you read the MDC threads that have resulted in a preliminary test? Mr. Nguyen's is a good one to start with. Smooth protocol negotiations, friendly applicant, etc. An enlightening and educational test. And certainly not impossible.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=28936

Professor Yaffle
7th November 2008, 03:29 AM
I would recommend reading her earlier thread, and then dropping the whole thing.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=3980399#post3980399

Seconded.