November Stundie Nominations

[Travis]

Nominate selected quotes for the auspicious, or notorious, 28th Annual Stundie Award........for November.

Rules:

1) Posts must be about Conspiracy Theories and not just nutty things in general.

2) Posts must exhibit ignorance, faulty logic or stupendous arrogance mixed with an ironic mistake.

3) No spelling errors, typos, grammar issues or math mix-ups unless they are deliciously ironic.

4) Posts must be humorous and not just something you disagree with.

5) All nominated posts must have some sort of link or screenshot to prove the reality of the post and it's source.

6) Keep the introductions short and sweet as Stundies should not need too much background.

7) Nominated posts should be cut down to the nominated part which should be concise and stand on its own.

8) This is not the place for ad hominems so a post should be funny independent of knowing who it is that said it.

9) Pictures are not allowed on their own but descriptions of pictures, provided they meet all other previously stated requirements, are allowed.

10) Videos are not allowed on their own but transcripts of videos, provided they meet all other previously stated requirements, are allowed even if you personally did the transcribing.



If you have issues with the Stundies existing please don't clutter up this thread with them and take them instead to Forum Management. (http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=19)

[240-185]

2) Posts must exhibit ignorance, faulty logic or stupendous arrogance mixed with an ironic mistake.

Does it work with a poster himself? :D

If not, I'll just submit this:

CC. If are to claim that Bazant's assumptions contribute gross errors to his calculations then it is up to you to show (illustrate, demonstrate, calculate) this to be true. You nothing of the sort.
CC. No, I do that. Laymen's terms so that children understands are essential.

...in fact, solid physics are for children!

Context: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4171300#post4171300

[Travis]

Does it work with a poster himself? :D

If not, I'll just submit this:



...in fact, solid physics are for children!

Context: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4171300#post4171300

I know what those words mean but that sentence makes no sense!:D

[Dr Adequate]

Jesuits are immune to nuclear weapons (http://reformation.org/jesuit-cunning-craftiness.html):

Jesuits have survived an atomic blast at ground zero. They have been poisoned, shot, stabbed and still have survived....Popes who gave them the cup of Borgia found to their amazement and horror that they would not die.

[Travis]

Jesuits are immune to nuclear weapons (http://reformation.org/jesuit-cunning-craftiness.html):

Jesuits have survived an atomic blast at ground zero. They have been poisoned, shot, stabbed and still have survived....Popes who gave them the cup of Borgia found to their amazement and horror that they would not die.

So we need to build bomb shelters out of Jesuits......and use them for target practice.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Jesuits are immune to nuclear weapons (http://reformation.org/jesuit-cunning-craftiness.html):

Jesuits have survived an atomic blast at ground zero. They have been poisoned, shot, stabbed and still have survived....Popes who gave them the cup of Borgia found to their amazement and horror that they would not die.


lol! That... that has to be a joke. Does the Company know about them?

[padragan]

From the swedish board Flashback, user Wo0ozle (talking about prepping WTC for a controlled demolition):

Varför är det så omöjligt att någon **** in sprängämnen där? Om det är helt omöjligt att diskret få in något på ett ställe där det inte bör vara, hur förklarar man då knivarna som kaparna **** med sig in i planen?

Note: I see that the forum consider one of the swedish words to be a naughty one... lol

Which roughly translates (people speaking swedish are more than welcome to rectify any errors in my translation) to:

Why would it be impossible that someone managed to get explosives in there? If it's completely impossible to plant something in a discrete way where it's not supposed to be, how do you explain the knives that the hijackers managed to get onboard the planes?

Source: https://www.flashback.info/showpost.php?p=13546028&postcount=11669

[Travis]

From the swedish board Flashback, user Wo0ozle (talking about prepping WTC for a controlled demolition):



Note: I see that the forum consider one of the swedish words to be a naughty one... lol

Which roughly translates (people speaking swedish are more than welcome to rectify any errors in my translation) to:



Source: https://www.flashback.info/showpost.php?p=13546028&postcount=11669

Comparing knifes to hundreds of tons of explosives.....irk:boggled:

I won't hold it against the Swedes though because Saabs are still pretty cool cars.

[dudalb]

I am expecting the US elections...no matter who wins..to be a rich source of Stundies in November, since no matter the results, the CTs will find Sinister Forces At Work....

[Dr Adequate]

SlickSue, Freeper, has her doubts about the death of Obama's grandmother (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2123979/posts?q=1&;page=101):

Call me hard-hearted, but unless I am witness to the autopsy why should I trust news reports? Who ARE the news? What news?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

SlickSue, Freeper, has her doubts about the death of Obama's grandmother (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2123979/posts?q=1&;page=101):

Call me hard-hearted, but unless I am witness to the autopsy why should I trust news reports? Who ARE the news? What news?


You have to have a heart to be called hard-hearted...

[Horatius]

SlickSue, Freeper, has her doubts about the death of Obama's grandmother (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2123979/posts?q=1&;page=101):

Call me hard-hearted, but unless I am witness to the autopsy why should I trust news reports? Who ARE the news? What news?


You know, I was really hoping these people would surprise me, and rise above their usual nonsense.


Irrational, yes, I know.

[Hokulele]

SlickSue, Freeper, has her doubts about the death of Obama's grandmother (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2123979/posts?q=1&;page=101):
Call me hard-hearted, but unless I am witness to the autopsy why should I trust news reports? Who ARE the news? What news?



The hell?

[Elizabeth I]

The hell?


Obama didn't really go to Hawaii because his grandmother was dying, he went to be sure that the secret of his falsified U.S. birth certificate wasn't penetrated.

In a stunning example of proving that you can sink lower than the bottom, Rush Limbaugh actually implied this on his show one day.

[Dr Adequate]

The hell? Yes, they are accusing Obama of murdering his granny.

---

Incidentally, the moderator has now snipped almost all the crazy out of that thread, on the grounds that it was too stupid and evil for Free Republic.

For those in need of an emetic, Wonkette has preserved some samples here (http://wonkette.com/404084/mccain-palin-wingnuts-mourn-obamas-granny#more-404084).

[R.Mackey]

Jesuits are immune to nuclear weapons (http://reformation.org/jesuit-cunning-craftiness.html):

Jesuits have survived an atomic blast at ground zero. They have been poisoned, shot, stabbed and still have survived....Popes who gave them the cup of Borgia found to their amazement and horror that they would not die.

To my knowledge, the closest thing there is to a survivor of an atomic blast at "ground zero" is Eizo Nomura (http://www.pcf.city.hiroshima.jp/virtual/VirtualMuseum_e/exhibit_e/exh0203_e/exh02033_e.html), less than 200 meters away from the hypocenter of Little Boy.

FSM willing, never again, not even on Jesuits.

[X]

Comparing knifes to hundreds of tons of explosives.....irk:boggled:

I won't hold it against the Swedes though because Saabs are still pretty cool cars planes.


Fixed that for you.

And I'm still tempted to nominate Travis for thinking Natalie Portman is in love with him.
She loves me, dammit! (A man can hope, can't he? Just not Travis.) :p

[Travis]

SlickSue, Freeper, has her doubts about the death of Obama's grandmother (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2123979/posts?q=1&;page=101):

Call me hard-hearted, but unless I am witness to the autopsy why should I trust news reports? Who ARE the news? What news?

Wow, I just got back from the polling station where some guy was talking about this and started a thread on it.....Now I see that I was right that other nutbags are making this accusation.:mad:

[Travis]

Fixed that for you.

And I'm still tempted to nominate Travis for thinking Natalie Portman is in love with him.
She loves me, dammit! (A man can hope, can't he? Just not Travis.) :p

What's the name of Natalie's childhood dog? A true Natalie stalker would know this.

[dudalb]

You know, I was really hoping these people would surprise me, and rise above their usual nonsense.


Irrational, yes, I know.

I said to myself "Some Kook is gonna claim that Obama had his Grandmother killed for the sympathy vote" about two minutes after I heard the news.
I almost posted my predictiion here, but good taste prevented me.
I am not surprised at all, and think this will become a CT meme if Obama wins.

[dudalb]

What's the name of Natalie's childhood dog? A true Natalie stalker would know this.

Natalie Portman gives a whole new meaning ot the cliche "Nice Jewish Girl".:D

[Travis]

Natalie Portman gives a whole new meaning ot the cliche "Nice Jewish Girl".:D

Heh. No kidding. Her real last name is about as "Jewish" as it gets.

[Sparky]

Dry pasta is very flexible - it cracks immediately when a force is applied to it. Just drop it on the floor.
Heiwa's Pizza Box Experiment (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4176763#post4176763)

Need I say anything more?

[Trojan_Jockey]

A couple of nominations. Although, maybe it is obvious that Obama had his grandmother killed, right?

A couple of quotes from the David Icke forum:

"...generally, doesn't it seem to you that very ill moms and grandmas often will themselves to stay alive through a big event, like a child's or a grandchild's graduation or wedding . . . .and then they die?

"If she had been suffering for some time, than why didn't she die earlier?"

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41428

[dudalb]

A couple of nominations. Although, maybe it is obvious that Obama had his grandmother killed, right?

A couple of quotes from the David Icke forum:

"...generally, doesn't it seem to you that very ill moms and grandmas often will themselves to stay alive through a big event, like a child's or a grandchild's graduation or wedding . . . .and then they die?

"If she had been suffering for some time, than why didn't she die earlier?"

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41428


Hell, if you believe that Obama is a shape shifting Reptilian Alien, beleiving his would off his grandmother is no great challenge.

[Travis]

Hell, why does anyone die at anytime? Isn't it suspicious that people are always dying?

[Elizabeth I]

Hell, why does anyone die at anytime? Isn't it suspicious that people are always dying?

I know I mean to avoid it as long as possible.

[Elizabeth I]

Hell, why does anyone die at anytime? Isn't it suspicious that people are always dying?

I know I mean to avoid it as long as possible.

[TriskettheKid]

Ok, let's see if this flies.

So there's a topic on GameFAQs about corruption in government, yadda yadda yadda, fairly cookie-cutter stuff in the CT world.

One of the things brought up was some of the CTs around drugs and the legality of some versus others.

That's when one poster, Riolef, said this:

Only losers use illegal drugs.

To which another poster, Zyphir420, replied:

^define Illegal

Source:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=214&topic=46385496

[Biscuit]

The mayans and Mishap's 3rd grade math teacher are rolling in their graves.

barack hussein obama 11/04/2008, dont add the zeros, 23, will be in office for 4 years, 2012 Mayans believed to be the end of the world, so maybe he will be the end of us!!!!

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=409143&page=1#pid5273429

[ihaunter]

The mayans and Mishap's 3rd grade math teacher are rolling in their graves.



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=409143&page=1#pid5273429

What number does he gets if he does add the zeros?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Thermal expansion has no proof ,it has no precedent.


I'm only typing stuff here, because the forum would bitch at me if I didn't...

[TexasJack]

I would nominate GodisEnergy, if somebody could translate what he writes into English.

[Mr.Herbert]

Hell, why does anyone die at anytime? Isn't it suspicious that people are always dying?


I read a report somewhere that stated that dying was the leading cause of death in the United States. :eek:

[Mr.Herbert]

Oh God, i can't even type..my sides hurt. I'm not sure if it's from the laughing...or from the stupid....

[/URL] Insolubrious at ATS who calls himself a "Covert Investigator" just started a thread:

WTC 7 and Twin Towers "pulled" with Cables?

I was watching the ABC archive footage and one shot caught my eye in particular where you can see some of the outer wall of the WTC still standing after the demo wave passes, but then seeing it suddenly getting pulled downward and in toward the core.
To me it looks almost as if cables are pulling on it! Although it's almost impossible to tell if it's a cable of floor assembly tugging it inwards. But when you also think about the unnatural direction of the top of the south tower when it begins to tip, yet seems to stop tipping and follow a path downwards, as if cables were stopping it from completely going over, keeping all the largest elements in the footprint? ............
[url]http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread409308/pg1 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/mem/Insolubrious)

[Biscuit]

I read a report somewhere that stated that dying was the leading cause of death in the United States. :eek:

100% of non smokers die.

[Travis]

The mayans and Mishap's 3rd grade math teacher are rolling in their graves.



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=409143&page=1#pid5273429

So is the fact that 16 = 23 now a conspiracy itself?:D

I'm only typing stuff here, because the forum would bitch at me if I didn't...

Yeah, its a good thing NIST invented thermal expansion. Why imagine all the possibilities now that NIST has enabled us to make hot things bigger?

Oh God, i can't even type..my sides hurt. I'm not sure if it's from the laughing...or from the stupid....

[/URL] Insolubrious at ATS who calls himself a "Covert Investigator" just started a thread:

WTC 7 and Twin Towers "pulled" with Cables?


[url]http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread409308/pg1 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/mem/Insolubrious)



Why its almost as if there were all these steel beam things all connected to each other inside that building.

[JihadJane]

adversity1’s reaction to the “Jersey Girl’s” response to the Final NIST WTC7 draft:

Ok wow, so they are criticizing NIST for not being more aggressive in promoting the results of their WTC7 report.

[Biscuit]

What number does he gets if he does add the zeros?

perhaps if he added the zeros he would get the correct number which is 25.

[JamesB]

CriticalThinking, when challenged by me to best the writings of Adam Smith, a Professor of Philosophy at the University of Glasgow, Scotland.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4184784#post4184784

Were you trying to make yourself look more ignorant by talking about a book written 250 years ago by a powerful, rich white man who owned many slaves with a extremely dated value system.

[Travis]

perhaps if he added the zeros he would get the correct number which is 25.

That's if you go 11+4+2+8

But if you're going to break down the 2008 to 2+8 then you might as well treat them all as single digits.

So then it's 1+1+4+2+8 which is how I got 16.

Frankly the entire idea is stupid and so it's strange he attempted a method that was internally inconsistent and that he got it wrong at that.

[Travis]

CriticalThinking, when challenged by me to best the writings of Adam Smith, a Professor of Philosophy at the University of Glasgow, Scotland.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4184784#post4184784

Yeah, I do wonder how someone who lived and died in Scotland acquired all those slaves.

Was he confusing him with one of the founding fathers?

[lee5]

Oh God, i can't even type..my sides hurt. I'm not sure if it's from the laughing...or from the stupid....

[/URL] Insolubrious at ATS who calls himself a "Covert Investigator" just started a thread:

WTC 7 and Twin Towers "pulled" with Cables?


[url]http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread409308/pg1 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/mem/Insolubrious)



Win!


I bet we could create a web site showing how wtc7 was actually pulled down by cables and get a few takers.

[lee5]

Thermite paint was used to "weaken" the steel, not cut it. :rolleyes:

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4161677&postcount=216



Perhaps even by not cutting the steel but a simultaneous weakening of the steel by reducing the steel by an inch for example may cause structural failure.

The fact is this ''Thermite paint'' has been found, it is explosive.

[Pi_314]

Win!


I bet we could create a web site showing how wtc7 was actually pulled down by cables and get a few takers.
Wow!
Thats a good one.
This guy is a genius though, because in that same post I found something even better. It will take down the towers for sure. In that post was the word meteorite. Thats right!, you heard it here first. The twin towers were taken down with meteorites!

When do I get the award?

[NobbyNobbs]

To my knowledge, the closest thing there is to a survivor of an atomic blast at "ground zero" is Eizo Nomura (http://www.pcf.city.hiroshima.jp/virtual/VirtualMuseum_e/exhibit_e/exh0203_e/exh02033_e.html), less than 200 meters away from the hypocenter of Little Boy.



He's not the only one. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0367882/)

[240-185]

Well, remember of Heiwa and his famous "bathroom scale experiment"?
If not, check here: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4155197#post4155197

Jumping off a wall measuring 3.7m of height won't cause *any* damage. We are all Spiderman's cousins:

The bathroom scale experiment is just demonstrate the same thing more visually ... at no risk.

[TriskettheKid]

I just found this on GFAQs, in a thread about Area 51.

Remember the movie Independence day, the president knew nothing of the secret underground base, I know its just a movie but I thought that seemed like a accurate portrayal. The secret facilities are probably maintained by another division of the government that no one knows about, just like theres a second space program besides NASA. It is also possible they have told presidents about this in the past, I have heard Kennedy was the last president to get this info, but he was gonna release bits to the public, hence one of the reason why he was assassinated Since then no presidents have been briefed of these facilities or operations. In my opinion its better this way, the president has enough on his plate, he doesn't need to be wrapped up in affairs concerning the rest of the universe community.

This quote in CTer-land was brought to you by DeathMagnetic, and the number 3.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=214&topic=46436699

[funk de fino]

Our friend metamars after his ridiculous gatekeepers chart, which was a stundie itself, posts this pearl.

BTW, I've never checked this, but I consider it a slam dunk that one way to identify a left gatekeeper organization is to see if they've covered the topic of left gatekeeping, itself, seriously.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=4190653#post4190653

[Biscuit]

Well, remember of Heiwa and his famous "bathroom scale experiment"?
If not, check here: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4155197#post4155197

Jumping off a wall measuring 3.7m of height won't cause *any* damage. We are all Spiderman's cousins:

I can't find the thread but someone was going on about how dogs can make themselves heavier by going limp. It was a riot and probably from Heiwa as it is very much along the same lines. I think he has an obsession with the bathroom scale.

[Biscuit]

Good old Niburu strikes again. From formanator

Hey guy's Try this out Search for any southern country (ie australia or malaysia) and nibiru within the last 24 hours. look at the descriptions of what it contains. Recent pics or whatever. I bet you cant find anything worthwhile.

Once again the lack of any evidence is all the evidence one needs.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread410208/pg1

[Sparky]

Courtesy of 9/11-investigator in the "How 9/11 was done" thread.

I copied that wisdom from Bollyn. I am not in the business of doing other research than google.com. (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4191542#post4191542)

[defaultdotxbe]

Courtesy of 9/11-investigator in the "How 9/11 was done" thread.

I copied that wisdom from Bollyn. I am not in the business of doing other research than google.com. (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4191542#post4191542)
followup:

So where's your blog with 60 pages printed, Great Thinker?

prolificity (on a blog no less) = credibility

[tomwaits]

Our friend metamars after his ridiculous gatekeepers chart, which was a stundie itself, posts this pearl.



http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=4190653#post4190653



Haha, that's an interesting catch-22 there.

[Wolfman]

The mayans and Mishap's 3rd grade math teacher are rolling in their graves.



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=409143&page=1#pid5273429

So is the fact that 16 = 23 now a conspiracy itself?:D



Yeah, its a good thing NIST invented thermal expansion. Why imagine all the possibilities now that NIST has enabled us to make hot things bigger?



Why its almost as if there were all these steel beam things all connected to each other inside that building.

perhaps if he added the zeros he would get the correct number which is 25.

That's if you go 11+4+2+8

But if you're going to break down the 2008 to 2+8 then you might as well treat them all as single digits.

So then it's 1+1+4+2+8 which is how I got 16.

Frankly the entire idea is stupid and so it's strange he attempted a method that was internally inconsistent and that he got it wrong at that.
This one was bothering me a little...how'd he get 23?

I think I've figured it out (and also, in the process, figured out why not counting the zeros is important).

"barack hussein obama 11/04/2008" Just count how many alpha-numeric characters (excluding spaces, and of course zeros) there are, and you get a total of 23. If you "add" the zeros, you will get 26, which is why it is important not to "add" the zeros.

I am totally clueless as to what the significance of 23 is; however, I'm quite confident that using this particular method (put together a string of words and numbers, then discount any extras that you find inconvenient), one could find the number 23 pretty much everywhere.

Take the sentence, "Mayans believed to be the end of the world" from the original post. A total of 34 letters, not counting the spaces. Now, don't count the letters "e" or "o" or "s". We're left with...TWENTY THREE!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I am totally clueless as to what the significance of 23 is [...]


Well, Tweeter's avatar on this forum is Jim Carey from... *drumroll* ...the movie The Number 23.

I think this truther may be throwing Tweeter under the bus. :tinfoil

[Grizzly Bear]

Secondly , Casting iron into "sharp ' edges is possible ,although the photo doesnt show sharp edges.If you have liquid metal cooling in a confined space with sharp boundries you will get a straight shape.The chinese have been casting iron swords for millenium.
What is the overall all opinion on this one? Or am I blowing hot air?

[R.Mackey]

What is the overall all opinion on this one? Or am I blowing hot air?

It is possible to cast molten metal to have reasonably sharp edges, sure. IF you have a cast.

The poster above is supposing that the erosive edges seen in the eutectically wasted steel from WTC 7 could also have wound up that way... after melting. With no cast at all. For that, "possible" is not the word I would use.

[Mel Odious]

My David Icke Forum (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=607970&postcount=9) nominee of the month:

NASA know exactly what is on or is not on mars since they are near the top of the human hierarchy. To view the very top of this pyramid would mean direct communications with the vatican who authorise all space generated images prior to their publication. This is merely a game with them giving us up to date failures of communication with mars. They imply contact is halted as a result of some failure or whatever to keep us interested and accepting of their fabricated story. They know what's out there and they tease us with bits and bobs of information to keep our interest and maintain our belief.

[JoeyDonuts]

Originally Posted by pri01
NASA know exactly what is on or is not on mars since they are near the top of the human hierarchy. To view the very top of this pyramid would mean direct communications with the vatican who authorise all space generated images prior to their publication. This is merely a game with them giving us up to date failures of communication with mars. They imply contact is halted as a result of some failure or whatever to keep us interested and accepting of their fabricated story. They know what's out there and they tease us with bits and bobs of information to keep our interest and maintain our belief.

Gabba Gabba WHAT?!?!

Thoroughly +1'd. This is a theremin-chorus of woo.

[Pardalis]

just in:
Appeal to authority is a logical fallacy period. All the time. Not just under certain conditions.

[240-185]

I'm an user of a french forum, but now a moronic retarded conspiracist is parasitizing it.

Original link: http://www.yaronet.com/posts.php?sl=&s=111032&p=105&h=3135#3135

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/215/507541421_e11de28425.jpg?v=0
http://www.jxp.ca/media/jeux/5991/ds_mario64x4_04.jpg

What's his point? He wants to show that Freemasons also rule Nintendo and Super Mario 64 DS :scared::hit:

[Hokulele]

I ... I ... I ... just don't have the words to describe this.

no heres a typical truther/debunker argument.
Truther- thermite was found in the rubble.
Debunker-thats impossible do you know you would need 100,000 tonnes of thermite to bring down the tower
truther- So then how did it collapse if there was no thermite !
debunker-:boggled:

[Doctor Evil]

I can give you two words: great entertainment!

[JoeyDonuts]

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=214&topic=46436699

You know, that particular thread inspired me to create an account there and throw out some sensibility just to see what sort of effect it would have.

This is what I got in response:

Keep in mind that this is the P/C board. Area 51 alien theories are commonly shared here enough that it's usually just assumed to be true, whether or not that's what really happened.

[facepalm]

[X]

I'm amazed this hasn't been nominated yet:

Truth in science is based on consensus. If 99% of the scientists accept the earth-centric model, as was the case for 1500 years or so in Europe, than that's the truth for you. Until some 'liar' comes along with a different heliocentric model. Read Thomas Kuhn, The structure of Scientific Revolutions. In the end that story wins the truth-label that best/efficient explains observed facts.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4196291#post4196291


Bolding mine.

[TriskettheKid]

Just found this gem on GameFAQS.

I had to read it twice to believe it:

So, without a doubt 100% there was no one on the grassy knoll. 100% it was someone in the book depostiroy. Now if it really was OSwald, who knows. Dunno why no one has ever done an interview on him so we can get his side of the story. Hell maybe the gov't told him that they would set his family up for life if he took the fall and never told what really happened. Maybe on his death bed he will tell the truth?

This comes from poster "nehukog" and here you go:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=214&topic=46630694

[Dave Rogers]

This comes from poster "nehukog" and here you go:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=214&topic=46630694

Looking down the thread, the OP seems to have realised his mistake when presented with evidence of it. That alone virtually disqualifies him for a Stundie; a true master of the art would immediately launch into a claim that Oswald is still alive and his murder was faked with chroma key compositing and a WESCAM mount.

Dave

[TriskettheKid]

Looking down the thread, the OP seems to have realised his mistake when presented with evidence of it. That alone virtually disqualifies him for a Stundie; a true master of the art would immediately launch into a claim that Oswald is still alive and his murder was faked with chroma key compositing and a WESCAM mount.

Dave

I disagree, and for two reasons:

1. Nowhere in the Stundie rules is mention made of a nominated poster having to defend his/her post.

2. The way in which he realized his error.

[Horatius]

I disagree, and for two reasons:

1. Nowhere in the Stundie rules is mention made of a nominated poster having to defend his/her post.

2. The way in which he realized his error.



Stundies are more about Stupidity, that guy is (or at least, was) just Ignorant.


Ignorance is curable, Stupidity generally is not. Now, if he were to be Aggressively Ignorant, as Dave R suggests, then he'd be stupid.

[tomwaits]

Just found this gem on GameFAQS.

I had to read it twice to believe it:



This comes from poster "nehukog" and here you go:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=214&topic=46630694

Haha wow. I mean, it's not like he was famously murdered on live television or anything.

[8den]

I disagree, and for two reasons:

1. Nowhere in the Stundie rules is mention made of a nominated poster having to defend his/her post.

2. The way in which he realized his error.


That being said, we're half way through Nov and having only two pages these look like the weakest stundies yet.

[Horatius]

That being said, we're half way through Nov and having only two pages these look like the weakest stundies yet.



Does that mean they are getting smarter, or are we just getting bored?

[TriskettheKid]

Does that mean they are getting smarter, or are we just getting bored?

Is it possible for them to get smarter?

[X]

Does that mean they are getting smarter, or are we just getting bored?


Third option: They're posting less (maybe having finally realised how little evidence they actually have).

[UNLoVedRebel]

Comment I read on YouTube

The most widely known supporter of 911 truth Alex Jones is on live every weekday for 4 hours and welcomes calls from expert debunkers like you two. If you call in you will go to the front of the call list as an opposition caller. Both of you have continually taken cheapshots at him, so give him a call and tell him to his face.

[Horatius]

Is it possible for them to get smarter?


What can I say - I have an irrational hope that rational argument will eventually have an effect of some of these people. ;)


Third option: They're posting less (maybe having finally realised how little evidence they actually have).


Which would mean they've smartened up, at least a little, right?

What was that line? "Better to stay silent and be thought a Fool..."

[TjW]

That being said, we're half way through Nov and having only two pages these look like the weakest stundies yet.

Part of it is repetition, I think. The first time I heard "faster than free fall", it was a real hoot. The eleventy zillionth time... not so much.

[Travis]

Third option: They're posting less (maybe having finally realised how little evidence they actually have).

I think they're all in disbelief that a rogue computer didn't somehow bestow the Presidency on McCain. The idea that maybe the US is actually a democracy is having a souring effect on their cries of oppression.


Or maybe they've run out of Hot Pockets and noodle cups and are conserving energy until their mom sends another care package.

[Ysidro]

Yeah, I do wonder how someone who lived and died in Scotland acquired all those slaves.

Was he confusing him with one of the founding fathers?

Don't you know Adam Smith was actually George Washington! Or vice versa.

I'm sure Freemasonry is involved too, somehow.

[Dave Rogers]

This is a bit long for a Stundie, but I'm reposting it here as a superb example of the mental gymnastics required from a conspiracy theorist.

http://www.rense.com/general84/isrr.htm (http://www.rense.com/general84/isrr.htm)

The article, under the title "Israelis Signaling US Attack 'Far Bigger than 911'", prompts the following disclaimer (my bolding):


(Editor's note - DEBKA is a well-known Mossad information/disinformation outlet. To the best of our knowledge and according to the experts we trust and respect, there is no such thing as 'al Qaeda' any more than it existed in its original form as a CIA construct. Further, Osama bin Laden is, in all likelihood, no longer above room temperature. The 'warning' below is another indication of a major false flag attack...like 9-11, the 7-7 London bombings, the Spain train massacre, the Bali slaughter, etc. The Israelis often seem to warn about such attacks...and years later wind up being prime suspects or are somehow alleged to be involved in them. In this case, a nice clear warning would give them a post-attack blanket of insulation and plausible deniability. Always use critical thinking when reading these sorts of things. See earlier examples of Mossad 'warnings,' etc, below.)


An outstanding demonstration of doublethink in action.

Dave

[Alareth]

This is a bit long for a Stundie, but I'm reposting it here as a superb example of the mental gymnastics required from a conspiracy theorist.

http://www.rense.com/general84/isrr.htm (http://www.rense.com/general84/isrr.htm)

The article, under the title "Israelis Signaling US Attack 'Far Bigger than 911'", prompts the following disclaimer (my bolding):



An outstanding demonstration of doublethink in action.

Dave

Using that logic, I can confidently say that all fires are started by fire alarms.

[8den]

Using that logic, I can confidently say that all fires are started by fire alarms.

Honestly jeffe rense is like a man wearing a poodle on his head.

[Travis]

I like that to them Al Qaeda being a CIA construct is just a given. That alone shows how out of touch they are.

[tomwaits]

nota displays his theory of ethnology:

I find the term anti-semitism a very strange word in context to the arab vs jewish conflict
as both sides are semitic with the arabs a little more semitic then the jews

[zaphod2016]

just in: Appeal to authority is a logical fallacy period. All the time. Not just under certain conditions.

For your consideration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_authority):

An appeal to authority...[is] a fallacy in regard to syllogistic logic, because the validity of a syllogism is independent of the qualities of the person putting it forward. The converse case is an ad hominem attack.

Sadly, no stundies of my own this month. I will be sure to try harder in December.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

For your consideration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_authority):


Please read the entire article. Don't cherry-pick.

[Travis]

For your consideration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_authority):



Sadly, no stundies of my own this month. I will be sure to try harder in December.

Maybe you shouldn't try. Just go get plastered and then start ranting about something.

[JoeyDonuts]

Maybe you shouldn't try. Just go get plastered and then start ranting about something.

Last time I did that I woke up naked as a jaybird in a Mexican warehouse surrounded by 14 empty tubs of Cool-Whip and a live chicken.

[Travis]

Last time I did that I woke up naked as a jaybird in a Mexican warehouse surrounded by 14 empty tubs of Cool-Whip and a live chicken.

Did you still have your kidneys?;)

[JoeyDonuts]

Did you still have your kidneys?;)

Crap! Hold on, lemme check. Hey wait a minute. There's no real safe way to do that externally. I suppose scars would be a dead giveaway unless they extracted them through and orifice somehow.

[240-185]

Heiwa strikes back: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4211688#post4211688

[Horatius]

Last time I did that I woke up naked as a jaybird in a Mexican warehouse surrounded by 14 empty tubs of Cool-Whip and a live chicken.



Did you say "warehouse"?


Could have been worse. Or better, I suppose.

[TjW]

The "surrounded by a live chicken" part sounds a little kinky.

[defaultdotxbe]

The "surrounded by a live chicken" part sounds a little kinky.
i find that part doubtful, last time i tried to surround myself with a single chicken it wasnt live anymore

[8den]

Run to the Hills on boards.ie gives an inventive solution to the Somalia Pirates NWO style.

The ultimate goal of the NWO is to control every man woman and child on this planet. By issuing microchipped "smart cards" and removing cash from society they can achieve that goal.

Currently there is a serious problem with Pirates in Somalia. If the EFT was in order they could cut off the accounts of these dissadends ands apprehend them. Money is not the root of all evil CASH IS. Remove cash from society sorted.


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=57960956&postcount=9

[Elizabeth I]

What in the name of all that's unholy do you suppose a "dissaddend" is?

[zaphod2016]

Alright, you twisted my arm...

Enjoy Zaphod's latest stundie on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8t9cSKnYZk) (not safe for work, children, the sane, etc.)

Bonus points for Federal Reserve paranoia, and a staring role for Alex Jones.

[TjW]

What in the name of all that's unholy do you suppose a "dissaddend" is?

I would suppose it's the term of an addition which gives (or perhaps gets) the least respect.

[Alareth]

Honestly jeffe rense is like a man wearing a poodle on his head.

Hey now, watch it. It's possible to wear a poodle for a hat and still be a national treasure:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/114884924fcc62541e.jpg

[dtugg]

Apparently the WTC had a choice in the matter.

They, the matchboxes, have two possibilites! Bounce or destroy themselves. So they decided to bounce. All explained above.

The upper part of WTC1 had the same choice.

Personally I would bounce.

[Doctor Evil]

Apparently the WTC had a choice in the matter.

:eye-poppi

:covereyes


Actually, I am starting to be worried about the competitiveness of the Stundies. They seem to be dominated by Heiwa's 'engineering'.

[Dr Adequate]

Perhaps we could give him some sort of Lifetime Award For Disservices To Science.

[grmcdorman]

Perhaps we could give him some sort of Lifetime Award For Disservices To Science.
...I'd say Engineering, mostly, with logic, science, and general reasoning following close behind.

[Horatius]

...I'd say Engineering, mostly, with logic, science, and general reasoning following close behind.



Let's just sum it up as "The Human Race, and All Its Best Endeavors".

[240-185]

9/11? It's a Wheel of Fortune job!: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4223003#post4223003

[tomwaits]

from bio's "how many horseshoes?" thread:

your irrational responses show, that obviously I did a good job.

...obviously.

[Travis]

from bio's "how many horseshoes?" thread:



...obviously.

That's a strange goal--seeking irrationality.

[gumboot]

nota displays his theory of ethnology:


Wow... that's truly impressive...

[240-185]

A French antimasonic guy:

C'est comme le canular de Léo Taxil cette affaire, quand bien même ce serait un soit disant canular et que l'auteur avoue que c'était une blague... c'est quoi qui empêche la chose d'être fausse ?

Translated to:

This is like Léo Taxil's joke. Even if it was a supposed joke and he confessed that it was a joke... Why can't it be not a joke?

[Grizzly Bear]

Speaking of the Empire State Building, funny how the B-25 did not cause much damage to the building, just like the planes at the towers.
Apparently the collapse of the world trade center was neither fire nor impact... Houston, we have a problem

[dtugg]

How exactly are facts debunked?

Sorry i do not take facts from NIST reports since they have been debunked several times.

[Travis]

I sometimes wonder if Truthers even knew of the existence of NIST prior to them learning they were supposed to regard it as the enemy.

[JoeyDonuts]

I sometimes wonder if Truthers even knew of the existence of NIST prior to them learning they were supposed to regard it as the enemy.

I imagine by now they're using your "World Rule According to the Paranoid" chart as their enemy Order of Battle.

[Travis]

I imagine by now they're using your "World Rule According to the Paranoid" chart as their enemy Order of Battle.

I would take that as a complement.:D

[TjW]

I sometimes wonder if Truthers even knew of the existence of NIST prior to them learning they were supposed to regard it as the enemy.

I wonder if they're aware it is likely there are items in their home which communicate with NIST?

[defaultdotxbe]

I wonder if they're aware it is likely there are items in their home which communicate with NIST?
anyone else rememeber the truther who was freaking out because he saw connections to an IP owned by NIST in his router logs and claimed NIST was trying to hack him?

it turns out what he was seeing was the OUTGOING connection to time.nist.gov to set his windows clock

[Travis]

anyone else rememeber the truther who was freaking out because he saw connections to an IP owned by NIST in his router logs and claimed NIST was trying to hack him?

it turns out what he was seeing was the OUTGOING connection to time.nist.gov to set his windows clock

I believe it won the stundie the month it was up.

[dtugg]

I never stated the FDNY demolished WTC 7.
As stated and proven the fire commander decided to bring down the building. No where did i state the FDNY demolished the building.
.

OK.........

[UNLoVedRebel]

ULTIMA1 has given us 1067 stundies to date.

[dtugg]

ULTIMA1 strikes again.

Gee, can you even read?

No, the the fire commander decided to bring down the building not the FDNY.

In case you did not know thre fire commander is in charge of all aspects of the the emergency incident command, not just the FDNY.

[dtugg]

So, apparently fire commanders are not part of fire departments.

As fire commander he was not part of FDNY.

Please do research on emergency incident command before posting about something you know nothing about.

[TjW]

Well, as an NSA analyst, you have to know lots of things other people don't know.
And if you have to resort to making facts up, well, hell, you're an NSA analyst, who could argue with an authority like that?

[Dr Adequate]

Isn't this a re-run? I'm sure the same thing was Stundied a month or two back, possibly by me.

[dtugg]

Isn't this a re-run? I'm sure the same thing was Stundied a month or two back, possibly by me.

Yeah, you nominated him although for some reason it didn't make the finals. Since he is saying the same crap again, he is up for more nominations.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

So, apparently fire commanders are not part of fire departments.


Sweet mother of crap... He's still spouting the insanity about this mythical fire commander that was in charge of every emergency response group in NYC that day... except for the fire department?

[Trojan_Jockey]

A late November nomination from the king of stundies, Smeggypants

"We can do something. We can stop voting"

http://www.smeggys.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8216

I know this guy is generally deluded, but surely you can't beat that for political action!

[dtugg]

Another gem from ULTIMA1:

Well i have never stated it was a inside job or a conspiracy, i am looking for the truth of what really happened.

The only conspiracy is the official story since it is based on a conspiracy.

[dudalb]

I don't mean to demean or lessen the horror of what happened in Mumbai,but I expect that in December the Conpsiracy Theories about that which you know are coming will provide some Stundie material.

[Dr Adequate]

I nominate OldBob, if this is too long pick your favorite bits.

Here's old know it all again, Cap.Smith was a Jesuit by trade and they do what they are told. The big T. had all the people who were opposing the forming of the fed. reserve in the USA aboard. England needed US money for the first world war so C, Smith was ordered to sink it. It was sent out with the wrong coloured flares so when the flares were seen, the ship near by thought they were having a party and continued on. Life boats were short and many were sent off half full. After they drowned the invited Americans the federal reserve became law. A Jesuit by trade is as controlled as a Jesuit priest. Wonder if Dan Brown knows that. You may say that they don't think that far ahead, well I have seen the document when the second world war was declared and that was in 1926.

[240-185]

The only conspiracy is the official story since it is based on a conspiracy.
Well, he's quite right this time, as 9/11 was a conspiracy against US interests, prepared by fundamentalists.

You may say that they don't think that far ahead, well I have seen the document when the second world war was declared and that was in 1926.
WIN

[dudalb]

You may say that they don't think that far ahead, well I have seen the document when the second world war was declared and that was in 1926.

I second the win. You cannot get crazier then that. Or Dumber, take your pick.

[dudalb]

Nice to see that rabid Anti Catholicism is alive and well, though.