The Professor's Halloween performance - any info?

[catbasket]

In his MDC thread The Professor professed -

TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT!

There will be EVP's and ITC in record breaking numbers tonight ... Mark my words!

I'm surprised that TP hasn't yet posted to inform us of his success at whatever it is he was planning to do. My google-fu is weak, anyone have any info on what happened?

[Seanrmr]

So far only comment from Jim saying it has been delayed till at least friday.

[Doubt]

Well, what does that say about his insistence on Halloween?
:)

[catbasket]

So far only comment from Jim saying it has been delayed till at least friday.

Delayed by at least a week? Sounds like a pretty serious hardware failure the spirits are being very uncooperative.

Well, what does that say about his insistence on Halloween?
:)

Being a-feared of the MA and Darat's ban-hammer I'm afraid I cannot answer that.

[RoboTimbo]

My google fu is nothing to write home about but I searched this morning and nothing. I was really looking forward to the weekend, expecting SOMETHING. It isn't like he's been shy about vociferating.

I also searched the headlines of all the big dailies and watched CNN. Nothing. Maybe I should have watched Fox. Well, I did watch the Simpson's on Fox but they didn't mention him. I would have thought something as earth shattering as that would have warranted at least a passing mention.


ETA: A link to Jim's comment?

[Czarcasm]

The Professor delayed Halloween until Friday?
Wow!!

[Seanrmr]

Actually from the magic cafe it sounds like the people on the JREF forum are the reason that halloween has been pushed back to friday. I'd say thats a cool power how much is a million split between everyone here.

[Gord_in_Toronto]

So I guess that's it until next year then? :confused:

[tyr_13]

Actually from the magic cafe it sounds like the people on the JREF forum are the reason that halloween has been pushed back to friday. I'd say thats a cool power how much is a million split between everyone here.

The Force is strong with us. But we don't need the million because that would be 'dirty'. We will charge people to use our powers for them tough.

[steenkh]

So far only comment from Jim saying it has been delayed till at least friday.
What was the weather like on Halloween in St. Helen?

[steenkh]

The Professor delayed Halloween until Friday?
Wow!!
In the finished film, Halloween will be appear to be on October 31 as usual.

[catbasket]

ETA: A link to Jim's comment?

Dunno how to link direct to a post at Magic Cafe but it's on this page (http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=279353&forum=251&start=480) and says -

Ok you guys may or may not know what went on that caused the delay.

Not going to comment on it now as per my councils rather strong suggestion that I cannot and should not.

That is all I will say except that it looks like the situation/misunderstanding will be cleared up by Friday.


As to the delay being caused by JREF forum members I can't find anywhere that is explicitly stated, though it is sort of implied. Maybe. It must be an awsome, fast-acting power however we did it as TP was all set to go at 31st October 2008, 03:04 PM GMT (time-stamp of the post I linked to in the OP) and everything had gone belly-up just hours later.

[Seanrmr]

Yes just implied in that thread we have from Jim
Ok you guys may or may not know what went on that caused the delay.

Not going to comment on it now as per my councils rather strong suggestion that I cannot and should not.

That is all I will say except that it looks like the situation/misunderstanding will be cleared up by Friday.

I find it amazing that some of you cats will go to such lengths.
Truly childish behavior in my opinion.

At least Karma is on my side yet again.
...

and from David

The Closed Minded Skeptics here seem to take an active roll in preventing people from taking the MDC.

Just ask the Lake Helen Police Department. Their attempts at Sabotage seem to be broadening.

They have linked to magic secrets and hassled radio DJ's and show hosts, among many other Non-ethical behaviors, and now this!

Pretty low down and probably illegal!

....

But I guess they have cleared up the problem technical or otherwise and we will hopefully see the performance up on friday, no word yet on live or pre-recorded.

I seem to have helped cause the thread there to spiral down to name calling don't think it will be around much longer.

Sean

[RoboTimbo]

<snip>
I seem to have helped cause the thread there to spiral down to name calling don't think it will be around much longer.

Sean


I don't see any name calling, other than from Jim and/or The Professor, and that was from another forum. We seem to be just wondering what happened. Cemetaries are privately owned so I'm not sure what the police have to do with it if permission is obtained from the cemetary owner. It's private property. TP did obtain permission first, didn't he? You know, since there was some issue of it being open to the public after 7:00 pm? And he insisted on it taking place at midnight? On Halloween?

I'm just flabbergasted that they are blaming JREF members.

[puppypundit]

The Professor, since you would simply be reporting on the events of Oct 31st 2008 and these don't have anything to do with the proposal of a protocol, be sure to post in THIS thread.

Any comments submitted to the MDC forum will likely not be approved. I am looking forward to hearing a report that you wrote yourself and not by some other party.

[Azrael 5]

Jim got busted by the cops apparently before he was due to go "on air".Something to so with an old woman dying on halloween on the internet I think(go figure).

So rumours(no doubt started by TP)are JREF members called the cops.

[cwalner]

Jim got busted by the cops apparently before he was due to go "on air".Something to so with an old woman dying on halloween on the internet I think(go figure).

So rumours(no doubt started by TP)are JREF members called the cops.

Hmm, the same Jim Callahan that generated several YouTube videos accusing James Randi of commiting a federal crime got arrested. I am shocked, I tell you, comepletely shocked!!!:rolleyes:

[catbasket]

Jim got busted by the cops apparently before he was due to go "on air".

Have you got a link for that?

[Jeff Corey]

In the finished film, Halloween will be appear to be on October 31 as usual.
Either that, or April 1, 2009.

[Azrael 5]

I don't have a link,no.I have not been told he was arrested so let's not jump to conclusions.
There were complaints to Police ,they showed up 30 mins before air time and shut down teh show.I assume he would have been questioned.

[RoboTimbo]

Someone from JREF is going to have to get TP permission to use the cemetary after 7:00. We've done everything else for him and he seems incapable. It sure takes a lot of spoons to feed this guy.

[catbasket]

I don't have a link,no.I have not been told he was arrested so let's not jump to conclusions.
There were complaints to Police ,they showed up 30 mins before air time and shut down teh show.I assume he would have been questioned.

Only asking for a link to ensure I didn't jump to conclusions ;)

Aha! I see TP is online and browsing his MDC thread - maybe an update is on its way?

[rushes off to the MDC sub-forum]

[alfaniner]

So, last weekend was a no-go, then...

[rjh01]

The Professor looks like he has gone into melt down mode over at the cafe. He is saying it was not just anyone who reported him, it was Darat and two others. How would he know who reported him? It could have been someone local who saw him do something that may have been a criminal act (break and enter) and reported it to the police.

He has also written other rubbish.

Here is the link - http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=279353&forum=251
The post is dated Nov 3, 2008 8:25pm (forum default time)

Should see a post here soon from him. He is browsing the forum as we speak.

[Hokulele]

Darat?

Seriously?

Maybe TP should ask the "voices" for the name of the person who called the cops.

[/snark]

[Doubt]

The Professor looks like he has gone into melt down mode over at the cafe. He is saying it was not just anyone who reported him, it was Darat and two others. How would he know who reported him? It could have been someone local who saw him do something that may have been a criminal act (break and enter) and reported it to the police.

He has also written other rubbish.

Here is the link - http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=279353&forum=251
The post is dated Nov 3, 2008 8:25pm (forum default time)

Should see a post here soon from him. He is browsing the forum as we speak.

The Professor was asked more than once if he had permission to use the cemetery. He never gave an answer.

[speculation mode]
I would suspect that somebody probably called the cemetery and asked about it and that set the professor on the path to fail. Probably did not require anyone to do anything else, since the people running the place probably don't want to see it turned into a circus.
[/speculation mode]

The JREF would have been nuts to get involved with an illegal effort. If the professor cannot make the effort to keep things within the bounds of the law, he has only himself to blame.

[catbasket]

Here is the link - http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=279353&forum=251
The post is dated Nov 3, 2008 8:25pm (forum default time)


:jaw-dropp

[Drudgewire]

He is saying it was not just anyone who reported him, it was Darat and two others.


That'd be freakin' hilarious. :newlol

[RoboTimbo]

The Professor looks like he has gone into melt down mode over at the cafe. He is saying it was not just anyone who reported him, it was Darat and two others. How would he know who reported him? It could have been someone local who saw him do something that may have been a criminal act (break and enter) and reported it to the police.

He has also written other rubbish.

Here is the link - http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=279353&forum=251
The post is dated Nov 3, 2008 8:25pm (forum default time)

Should see a post here soon from him. He is browsing the forum as we speak.


Wow! I don't normally go over there but after reading the drivel, I had to register and post a message. Sorry for continuing the discussion here about another forum but he drags Darat through the mud pretty thoroughly.

[Hokulele]

Eh, Darat has had worse things said about him.

http://paginas.terra.com.br/educacao/criticandokardec/pigsty_run_by_da_rats.htm

:mghissyfit

[desertgal]

[speculation mode]
I would suspect that somebody probably called the cemetery and asked about it and that set the professor on the path to fail. Probably did not require anyone to do anything else, since the people running the place probably don't want to see it turned into a circus.
[/speculation mode]



Well, now, if the people who run the cemetery saw him setting up or even just hanging around, and he didn't have permission to be there, than it is more than likely THEY are the ones who called the cops.


I'm a long time "graver", and I don't know of a cemetery anywhere that doesn't reserve the right to refuse service to anyone - and that includes visiting the grounds. Behave or be gone.

[tyr_13]

Well, now, if the people who run the cemetery saw him setting up or even just hanging around, and he didn't have permission to be there, than it is more than likely THEY are the ones who called the cops.


I'm a long time "graver", and I don't know of a cemetery anywhere that doesn't reserve the right to refuse service to anyone - and that includes visiting the grounds. Behave or be gone.

Also as a long time visitor of graveyards, I don't know a single one still in operation that doesn't have someone looking over it on Halloween.

Seriously, if he didn't have the foresight to ask the owners or the police, he must have been raised on failflakes with failsauce.

[catbasket]

Well, now, if the people who run the cemetery saw him setting up or even just hanging around, and he didn't have permission to be there, than it is more than likely THEY are the ones who called the cops.

I'm a long time "graver", and I don't know of a cemetery anywhere that doesn't reserve the right to refuse service to anyone - and that includes visiting the grounds. Behave or be gone.

Sorry desertgal but your comments only apply in the real world. In The Professor's world only what he says is true. All else is lies.

[chillzero]

You could point out that Darat hasn't published any PMs.

ETA: Sorry - never mind, I see that you (or someone) did. :)

[Zep]

Why am I reminded of someone sinking into quicksand shouting angrily, "This is all your fault! Why didn't you tell me I had to read that warning sign!".

[Seanrmr]

We can point it out but he doesn't believe us.

[Mojo]

You could point out that Darat hasn't published any PMs.

ETA: Sorry - never mind, I see that you (or someone) did. :)


TP now seems to be claiming that by making a statement about the rejected posts, Darat has revealed the content of the PM's sent to TP telling him that the posts were rejected. :rolleyes:

[Chris H]

Jim got busted by the cops apparently before he was due to go "on air".Something to so with an old woman dying on halloween on the internet I think(go figure).

So rumours(no doubt started by TP)are JREF members called the cops.




I don't have a link,no.I have not been told he was arrested so let's not jump to conclusions.
There were complaints to Police ,they showed up 30 mins before air time and shut down teh show.I assume he would have been questioned.


Azrael, care to share your source for this? I haven't been able to find any info online.

I'm also curious who the other two accused are. Considering Mr Koenig has been particularly specific about the number allegedly (he didn't use that word) involved, he must have an idea as to who they are.

Chris

[Jackalgirl]

Here's my thing: does it matter who called the police (if anyone did)? If Dave didn't have permission to be there, then he didn't have permission to be there. If he had had permission to be there, then it wouldn't have mattered if God called the police -- permission is permission.

What's sad about this is that in the whole long sordid discussion of his protocol, many MANY members of this Forum have said many MANY times "make sure you get permission to be there."

So if he doesn't bother to do this, and then gets in trouble with the law because he's trespassing, it's our fault?

RoboTimbo hits it pretty close, I think -- it's our fault because we didn't set it up for Dave. We knew what would happen and wouldn't fix it for him -- no, we just explained to him what he'd need to do. Sheesh! Poor Dave was all tied up in figuring out a way to make a magic trick seem real -- how could we expect him to take care of little details like oh, I don't know, getting permission to use the site? What were we thinking?

[Chris H]

I'm not sure The Professor was at the Devils Chair on Friday night. I think the issue is to do with Mr Callahan's event, which, despite significant publicity, kinda fizzled.

Chris

[Azrael 5]

Yeah as far as I know,this didn't involve The Professor,just Jim Callahan's I.S.P show.I guess Raymond HIll had a day off,why else would Jim not see this coming?! ;)

[RoboTimbo]

Yeah as far as I know,this didn't involve The Professor,just Jim Callahan's I.S.P show.I guess Raymond HIll had a day off,why else would Jim not see this coming?! ;)


So what is The Professor so mad about? Did he even attempt anything like a Halloween performance? Every post of his lately has indicated that he was going to do something.

[Darat]

The Professor looks like he has gone into melt down mode over at the cafe. He is saying it was not just anyone who reported him, it was Darat and two others. How would he know who reported him? It could have been someone local who saw him do something that may have been a criminal act (break and enter) and reported it to the police.

He has also written other rubbish.

Here is the link - http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=279353&forum=251
The post is dated Nov 3, 2008 8:25pm (forum default time)

Should see a post here soon from him. He is browsing the forum as we speak.

Well at least he spelt my name right.

I suppose this has something to do with a question I asked early on in the MDC thread about whether he had permission to carry out his performance in the cemetery. But since it became apparent he couldn't come up with a protocol by this Halloween I never bothered to check for myself.

As for publishing PMs - never mind that I haven't done any such thing - as folk who frequent the FM section will know that is not against the rules, it's just a custom of this Forum.

[Chris H]

As far as I'm aware, Mr Koenig was involved in Jim Callahan's International Seance Project, which apparently didn't go as planned. Still waiting for specific details, which I doubt we shall receive.

Chris

[Mojo]

As far as I'm aware, Mr Koenig was involved in Jim Callahan's International Seance Project, which apparently didn't go as planned. Still waiting for specific details, which I doubt we shall receive.


"Psychic event cancelled due to unforseen circumstances".

[Azrael 5]

So what is The Professor so mad about? Did he even attempt anything like a Halloween performance? Every post of his lately has indicated that he was going to do something.

He is claiming JREF members contacted Lake Helen police and put the stop to his Devil's Chair carry on....

Obviously he has no evidence of this.:rolleyes:

[catbasket]

As far as I'm aware, Mr Koenig was involved in Jim Callahan's International Seance Project, which apparently didn't go as planned. Still waiting for specific details, which I doubt we shall receive.

Chris

Pah! I just tried posting this info as "news" to TP's MDC thread, only to now see it's already common knowledge in this thread. Bah humbug, etc. That'll learn me fer having a life ...

[cwalner]

Let me see if I have this right.

1. No performance/test happened on Halloween night. I conclude this as I could find no link through google to any story of any such event using the paramaters: The Devil's Chair, Lake Helen, David Koenig, Psychic Samurai, The Professor, Slim King, etc. Nothing showed up linking to an event on 10/31/2008.

2. The Professor has claimied he was sabotaged by Darat and two other unnamed co-consipiritors from this forum, but has provided no evidence to back up his claim. Specifically, he claimed that by notifiying the LHPD he was prevented from carrying out his performance. This claim also seems somewhat problematic, since if he had been at the cemetary and was removed by LHPD, then there would have been some sort of incident report that local media would have picked up, generating a google hit linking to the story.

So it seems as if The Professor never even attempted his much touted show and is now blaming members of this Forum for his failure.

Professor, I acknowledge that the above statement is speculation based on very limited evidence. However I cannot think of any other explanation that would leave such a vacuum of evidence. As I stated above, the explanation that you have provided should have left evidence (a police report) which cannot be found. If you wish to explain why you did not do your test, please include evidence of this explanation, or we are forced to come to conclusions based on lack of evidence such as my present conclustion.

[Hokulele]

Why am I reminded of someone sinking into quicksand shouting angrily, "This is all your fault! Why didn't you tell me I had to read that warning sign!".


Zep! Good to see you back. :)

[MattC]

I almost hate to point this out, but the idea that someone in the UK (Darat) would actually have the knowledge of specific state law and town ordinances necessary to prompt such a police action is certainly absurd, or downright paranormal.

If anything, speculation should fall upon me as the likely culprit - I live in Orlando, FL, and study law as it relates to police work.

Also, someone should really point out on the Magic Cafe forums that the million's invested in bonds - which are not affected by swings in the stock market. It really becomes a QED problem when considered in that light.

~ Matt

[Kuko 4000]

"Psychic event cancelled due to unforseen circumstances".

:p

[Jeff Corey]

The Professor looks like he has gone into melt down mode over at the cafe. He is saying it was not just anyone who reported him, it was Darat and two others. How would he know who reported him? It could have been someone local who saw him do something that may have been a criminal act (break and enter) and reported it to the police.

He has also written other rubbish.

Here is the link - http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=279353&forum=251
The post is dated Nov 3, 2008 8:25pm (forum default time)

Should see a post here soon from him. He is browsing the forum as we speak.

Not according to his post over there today:

The Mods at the JREF have gotten their hands caught in the Cookie Jar.

They tried to interfere with the actual progress of a JREF MDC claimant and they actually bragged about it on their forum. Now they are deleting or editing posts as fast as they can, and since THEY are the MODS I am not being allowed to post there.

[chillzero]

:nope:

[Drudgewire]

Not according to his post over there today:

The Mods at the JREF have gotten their hands caught in the Cookie Jar.

They tried to interfere with the actual progress of a JREF MDC claimant and they actually bragged about it on their forum. Now they are deleting or editing posts as fast as they can, and since THEY are the MODS I am not being allowed to post there.


Who would believe someone trying to claim paranormal powers they won't disclose to anyone is being less than honest.

STUNNED, I tell you. Out and out stunned.

:rolleyes:

[Mongrel]

Specifically, he claimed that by notifiying the LHPD he was prevented from carrying out his performance. This claim also seems somewhat problematic, since if he had been at the cemetary and was removed by LHPD, then there would have been some sort of incident report that local media would have picked up, generating a google hit linking to the story.

I have no idea of the area, being from the UK as well, but given that the area has a bit of a reputation would the local police have had a presence in the area anyway? Also if they'd just stopped him gaining entrance to the site would an incident report have been filled out?

[cwalner]

I thought this exchange would be illuminating for those not following the thread over at Magic Cafe

From Randwill
You claimed, "I will sit on the Devil's Chair in the Lake Helen Florida cemetery, near Cassadaga. (On 10/31/2008) I will 'summon'..." blah, blah, blah.

YOU DIDN'T!!!

The Professors Counter
Where is your proof? You don't know if I did or didn't.

You blow smoke. (Plus you are taking protocol negotiations out of context .... The JREF refused this protocol, or didn't you catch that )

See how ********** off you get

You are ignorant of the facts and you will remain so until I DECIDE to enlighten you (If that's even possible )

At least you are unable, unwilling or uninterested in providing any account of you doing so.

So in The Professor's world when he goes on and on about how he is going to do this amazing demonstration of a paranormal ability on 10/31/08 (regardless of it being part of the MDC), then goes unusually silent regarding this demonstration after it was to occur, it is poor logic on our part to conclude that the event probably did not happen.

I find it highly unlikely that TP would be so silent if everything went off as planned and he had anything to support that a paranormal event occured.

Also this quote
Just got off of the phone with James Randi as he is now called (He's dropped the Amazing part )

He is feeling well and I'm happy about that.

He promises to post the information on the update as soon as he gets it. (Wasn't really sure that was his job ...Who's is it?)

I told him I didn't want to be working for someone who couldn't pay me, and he seemed to agree! (Although I Don't work for him)

Can anybody who is actually part of JREF confirm or deny that this phone call took place.

[cwalner]

I have no idea of the area, being from the UK as well, but given that the area has a bit of a reputation would the local police have had a presence in the area anyway? Also if they'd just stopped him gaining entrance to the site would an incident report have been filled out?

Ok, my logic may be a little thin, but this also cuts TP's claim. If what you suggest is the case, then the PD presence was SOP and had nothing to do with anybody on the JREF Forum.

He is simply blaming us because several members here foresaw (without psychic powers) this potential snag and warned TP to take measures to avoid it. Because in his world, the fact that he ignored our advice cannot make it his fault that our foresight was accurate.

[Drudgewire]

Can anybody who is actually part of JREF confirm or deny that this phone call took place.


Oh man I hope it did. His update will be GOLDEN! :newlol

[Azrael 5]

He is claiming he was on the phone to Randi too! Is this true? I haven't got Randi's number,is it widely available? ;)

Full post:
Hi ALL ...

Just got off of the phone with James Randi as he is now called http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/images/smiles/smile.gif (He's dropped the Amazing part http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/images/smiles/smile.gif )

He is feeling well and I'm happy about that.

He promises to post the information on the update as soon as he gets it. (Wasn't really sure that was his job ...Who's is it?)

I told him I didn't want to be working for someone who couldn't pay me, and he seemed to agree! http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/images/smiles/smile.gif (Although I Don't work for him)

He said that the funds were conservatively invested, (but that doesn't mean that they are still there).

I've been waiting for a couple of months now, it being November and all.

Seems like the investment firm would WANT their investors to know all was well.

Randi wasn't sure since there has been no update.

Hope they contact him soon now that he PERSONALLY knows that I've applied (He's denied it in the past) and I am worried about the Million.



This would be TP's biggest lie so far.

[Jackalgirl]

Oh, so it was Jim who was prevented from putting on a show? What is Dave, then, Jim's mouthpiece? It's our fault that Dave didn't tell Jim that we told Dave that getting permission would be important? Jim needs to pick better lackeys.

[RoboTimbo]

Oh, so it was Jim who was prevented from putting on a show? What is Dave, then, Jim's mouthpiece? It's our fault that Dave didn't tell Jim that we told Dave that getting permission would be important? Jim needs to pick better lackeys.


That makes TP's evasions about what happened more understandable now. After all the hype about what he was going to do on Halloween and then he Halloweenied out of it. Also explains why he's been keeping such a low profile the past few days.

[desertgal]

I have no idea of the area, being from the UK as well, but given that the area has a bit of a reputation would the local police have had a presence in the area anyway? Also if they'd just stopped him gaining entrance to the site would an incident report have been filled out?

A report may not have been filled out. Given the holiday and the location, a police officer may have been on the premises to prevent ANYONE who attempted to enter after hours. In ProfessorWorld (or, in this case, JimWorld), though, it would translate to the officer being there to specifically prevent HIM from entering the cemetery. :rolleyes:

[lofgoernost]

Pity. I was just in the midst of reading Magic Cafe's "Is the Million Still There?" thread and it disappeared. I'm not a member there. Do they have any members-only AAH sort of section it may have been exiled to?

[Azrael 5]

Pity. I was just in the midst of reading Magic Cafe's "Is the Million Still There?" thread and it disappeared. I'm not a member there. Do they have any members-only AAH sort of section it may have been exiled to?

No.Its what happenes to skeptic threads.They haven't got the bottle to let it run.
Also you cannot question their actions for removing the thread.:rolleyes:

[Pogo]

The thread, "Is the Million Still There?", on The Magic Cafe, in which The Professor was having a major meltdown has been deleted. The last things I read there by him was an incoherent rant (Jeff Wagg can't control the JREF forum members therefore it's his fault that they sabotaged his Halloween seance in the cemetery.) followed by his report of the phone call to James Randi. A few minutes later, the whole thread was gone.

[RoboTimbo]

No.Its what happenes to skeptic threads.They haven't got the bottle to let it run.
Also you cannot question their actions for removing the thread.:rolleyes:


It won't be long before The Professor uncorks another thread, there or here or both. He just can't seem to keep quiet, that boy.

I wonder if TP will rant about the mods on the Magic Cafe conspiring to delete his posts?

[Seanrmr]

Probably not as it makes for one less thread we can point to of his backtracking and not answering. A pity though Rockwall over there might have got through to him and got everything on the right track.

[Senex]

Could someone post an abreviated sequence of events that led to this thread?

How come "The Professor" offers no rebuttal?

[RoboTimbo]

Probably not as it makes for one less thread we can point to of his backtracking and not answering. A pity though Rockwall over there might have got through to him and got everything on the right track.


I admired Rockwall for his attempt but felt bad for him at the same time. I see in him us, months ago when we began a dialogue with TP. I think he was naive to believe that he would be able to get anywhere but he probably didn't know the history of obfuscation that has been going on here for so many months. But, chocolate bless him for trying.

[fromdownunder]

No.Its what happenes to skeptic threads.They haven't got the bottle to let it run.
Also you cannot question their actions for removing the thread.:rolleyes:

Sorry if this appears to be a bit off topic, but I don't know much about The Magic Cafe apart from reading a couple of threads there.

How is it that a forum supporting magic (I am assuming "magic" magic, not "real" magic) as antagonistic to sceptics? I would have thought that nearly all magicians would actually be sceptics - doesn't it come with the job description?

Norm

[Azrael 5]

Could someone post an abreviated sequence of events that led to this thread?

How come "The Professor" offers no rebuttal?
TP says he has ability to channel EVP,fails to create a protocol,does a lot of accusing and general whining.

Thats about it.;)

[Senex]

TP says he has ability to channel EVP,fails to create a protocol,does a lot of accusing and general whining.

Thats about it.;)

I googled EVP and came up with Electronic voice phenomena. Why can't the professor just listen to some EVP and state what he hears. What's all this fuss about?

[Drudgewire]

I googled EVP and came up with Electronic voice phenomena. Why can't the professor just listen to some EVP and state what he hears. What's all this fuss about?

He needs to sit in the devil's chair to do it. Or Callahan needs to sit in the chair for him to do it. Or...

Oh who am I kidding? I got those two stories all tangled up ages ago and never really straightened out which one is complaining about us over what. :o

[Senex]

He needs to sit in the devil's chair to do it. Or Callahan needs to sit in the chair for him to do it. Or...

Oh who am I kidding? I got those two stories all tangled up ages ago and never really straightened out which one is complaining about us over what. :o

"The devil's chair?" Oh, I don't know the Professor but you must be misrepresenting him. This story makes no sense. Certainly the professor has an advocate if he is unable to speak for himself?

[Chris H]

The thread, "Is the Million Still There?", on The Magic Cafe, in which The Professor was having a major meltdown has been deleted. The last things I read there by him was an incoherent rant (Jeff Wagg can't control the JREF forum members therefore it's his fault that they sabotaged his Halloween seance in the cemetery.) followed by his report of the phone call to James Randi. A few minutes later, the whole thread was gone.


Which is a shame, because it contained some of his most quotable work. I really need to start archiving these threads before they get deleted.

Chris

[Drudgewire]

"The devil's chair?" Oh, I don't know the Professor but you must be misrepresenting him. This story makes no sense.


You'd think that, but...

I have emailed this to Jeff Wagg concerning my claim in response to his last questions. It seems my other posts are being deleted.

Jeff

In order to win the Million I must take my "Best Shot' and that is on Oct. 31st. It has always been a focal point of the Challenge Test.
Also, the place has always been The Devil's Chair in Lake Helen Florida. It has been stated from the very beginning. No alternate time or place has ever been requested or considered.

It seems that members of the JREF MDC Forum have contacted the Lake Helen Police Department in an attempt to discredit me and cause problems with the local authorities, whom I'd already come to an agreement with.

This contact with the Authorities was actually discussed on the JREF Forum.

Do the JREF Forum Members interfere with ALL of the JREF MDC Applicants?

They seem to be ready to celebrate if the Test is denied. Is this some way to deny me my Challenge?

Because of this attempt to sabotage my claim protocol I have had to rewrite it. I've asked others for their help in addition.

I hope to be done by tomorrow morning.

I am looking forward to taking the test on Oct. 31st. at the Devils Chair.

Thanks

David Koenig


:boggled:

[Chris H]

Threads over at The Magic Cafe are getting deleted faster than you can say "Trick or Treat!". Another one has just disappeared.

Chris

[Pogo]

"The devil's chair?" Oh, I don't know the Professor but you must be misrepresenting him. This story makes no sense. Certainly the professor has an advocate if he is unable to speak for himself?
You can read his Challenge Application in that forum. It's "David Koenig, Electronic Voice Phenomenon." You can read the whole history as it plays out in the thread "Psychic Samurai applies for MDC...apparently" in the MDC forum.

[Senex]

You'd think that, but...

The Professor:
...Do the JREF Forum Members interfere with ALL of the JREF MDC Applicants?...


Speaking as a JREF member -- I have to admit I want to witness the payoff. I suspect every member of the JREF wants to watch the payoff and has no interest in delays after the test is negotiated. The negotiation might be a bit interesting but no one wishes the actual put up or shut up event to be delayed. That's BS. We all want to see if someone can break the laws of physics. (I consider gleaming information from EVP breaking the laws of physics.)

What's the new date? Maybe someone can bring a webcam. What does the professor hope to learn from EVP's?

[Azrael 5]

It's all skeptics fault the thread got deleted at Magic Cafe.I just got a PM from their Chief of Staff,after I complained.Obviously I can't quote it,but it seems "us" persisting to correct TP and his lies is wrong.In a nutshell.

[Azrael 5]

Speaking as a JREF member -- I have to admit I want to witness the payoff. I suspect every member of the JREF wants to watch the payoff and has no interest in delays after the test is negotiated. The negotiation might be a bit interesting but no one wishes the actual put up or shut up event to be delayed. That's BS. We all want to see if someone can break the laws of physics. (I consider gleaming information from EVP breaking the laws of physics.)

What's the new date? Maybe someone can bring a webcam. What does the professor hope to learn from EVP's?

Senex I said the very same thing over at MC forum.Why would any skeptic try to stop someone taking the MDC.Most woos manage to do it all by themselves.;)

New date will be 31st October 2009!!!! :D

[catbasket]

Subject to TP negotiating a mutually agreeable protocol. New date will therefore be 12th Never.

[Seanrmr]

Could we start one over there to just discuss protocol of the test. I wonder if they would let us it is the area for sceptics I might start one and see how long it lasts I still want to encourage rockwall to help him as David may listen to him. David seems more likely to post over there so it might get an acceptable protocol done. Though I doubt it I still hold out hope.

[Drudgewire]

Senex I said the very same thing over at MC forum.Why would any skeptic try to stop someone taking the MDC.Most woos manage to do it all by themselves.;)

To anyone who isn't running a con or deluded, the whole point of the MDC is to weed out any fakery and pay off someone if they actually have powers science can not explain.

"Protecting the million" as an excuse for why JREF would have a vested interest in sabotage is beyond retarded. The money Randi and the winner could make promoting this great leap in human understanding would dwarf it in a matter of days.

[Senex]

Senex I said the very same thing over at MC forum.Why would any skeptic try to stop someone taking the MDC.Most woos manage to do it all by themselves.;)

New date will be 31st October 2009!!!! :D

That's bull-oney! Professor, say that's not true.

[Jackalgirl]

That makes TP's evasions about what happened more understandable now. After all the hype about what he was going to do on Halloween and then he Halloweenied out of it. Also explains why he's been keeping such a low profile the past few days.

My best guess was that Dave's MDC sham-o-rama was supposed to be part of a larger Jim paranormal show. Dave's portion of it would last a half hour (leaving some time for commercials, of course, as he himself stated).

Still, it boggles the mind that Jim didn't bother to obtain permission to use the site first. Well, maybe not "boggles"...

[MattC]

I think until further details are made known that such harsh Koenig-bashing is a bit unfair.

~ Matt

[tyr_13]

I think until further details are made known that such harsh Koenig-bashing is a bit unfair.

~ Matt

He blames his failure to do the most basic form of preparation on us. I think we have ever reason to point out how ridiculous this has all been repeatedly.

[Seanrmr]

Ok this goes against my nature but lets lay off him for a while I got a new thread going over at MC as it looks like he doesn't want to post here anymore. Now if we want to be biased against him we should do it over in this forum and hopefully we can keep get response in that one and maybe even get a working protocol.

Though I may think differently depending on how this turns out.

[Azrael 5]

Ok this goes against my nature but lets lay off him for a while I got a new thread going over at MC as it looks like he doesn't want to post here anymore. Now if we want to be biased against him we should do it over in this forum and hopefully we can keep get response in that one and maybe even get a working protocol.

Though I may think differently depending on how this turns out.

Bolding mine.
He got busted,and can't face the shame.:)

[catbasket]

Now if we want to be biased against him we should do it over in this forum and hopefully we can keep get response in that one and maybe even get a working protocol.

While I respect your intentions in attempting to get Mr Koenig to negotiate a protocol I fear your efforts are doomed to failure. I see on your new thread at the Magic Cafe that Mr Koenig has started spouting the same old lies again ... and the thread is still on its first page.

Why on earth would we want to go over there to discuss Mr Koenig's protocol? That is a forum where mods/admins seem to delete posts and/or topics which point out Mr Koenig's continuing dishonesty, but the lies scatter-gunned around the place by Mr Koenig are rarely if ever censored.

Here at JREF the rules are applied equally to all members.

[Seanrmr]

Yeah it does seem doomed to failure. I mainly started more to see if I could pull him out of his stubbornness which is really only hindering himself in making a protocol. There are people over on that forum that may help with protocol help (well there is rockwall). But hey one good thing has come from the current thread Bill has seen some of the stubbornness that is stopping the protocol from being passed if we can get more of his supporters over there pointing this out to him who knows he may either back down and try to disappear if its a con. Or improve his protocol. Or most likely continue on as normal.

If I can get my first question there answered in first say two pages I believe progress could be made otherwise yes you guys are right and I will give up trying as well.

[Mongrel]

Ok, my logic may be a little thin, but this also cuts TP's claim. If what you suggest is the case, then the PD presence was SOP and had nothing to do with anybody on the JREF Forum.
He is simply blaming us because several members here foresaw (without psychic powers) this potential snag and warned TP to take measures to avoid it. Because in his world, the fact that he ignored our advice cannot make it his fault that our foresight was accurate.

I was in no way trying to defend TP, I believe he's trying to use this forum and the name of James Randi for added publicity, I was merely speculating why there may not have been a police report. Desertgal said it better :)

A report may not have been filled out. Given the holiday and the location, a police officer may have been on the premises to prevent ANYONE who attempted to enter after hours. In ProfessorWorld (or, in this case, JimWorld), though, it would translate to the officer being there to specifically prevent HIM from entering the cemetery. :rolleyes:

[RoboTimbo]

Yeah it does seem doomed to failure. I mainly started more to see if I could pull him out of his stubbornness which is really only hindering himself in making a protocol. There are people over on that forum that may help with protocol help (well there is rockwall). But hey one good thing has come from the current thread Bill has seen some of the stubbornness that is stopping the protocol from being passed if we can get more of his supporters over there pointing this out to him who knows he may either back down and try to disappear if its a con. Or improve his protocol. Or most likely continue on as normal.

If I can get my first question there answered in first say two pages I believe progress could be made otherwise yes you guys are right and I will give up trying as well.


I've given up over there. I thought there might just be some small chance if he was amongst his peers but I can see one of two things happening. a) The credulous will consciously or unconsciously fail to understand why his existing one won't work or b) Those who do try to come up with a genuine protocol will be called snarky bashers. I'm thinking it will be a week or two before he calls Bill that. And Bill to call him a terrorist.

Either way, TP shoots himself in the foot and it's a win.

[Chris H]

It's all skeptics fault the thread got deleted at Magic Cafe.I just got a PM from their Chief of Staff,after I complained.Obviously I can't quote it,but it seems "us" persisting to correct TP and his lies is wrong.In a nutshell.


May have something to do with the fact that, up until recently, Mr Koenig was paying for advertising on the Magic Cafe.

I'd like to see that PM. Any chance you can PM it to me? ;)

Chris

[Cuddles]

Now if we want to be biased against him

What does bias have to do with it?

bi·as [ b əss ]


noun (plural bi·as·es or bi·as·ses)

Definition:

1. an unfair preference for or dislike of something
There's nothing unfair about disliking The Professor for being a publicity-seeking liar, and there's certainly nothing unfair about exposing his lies. It's not bias if you've earned it.

Edit: In fact, one of my very few nominations for the Language Award was for saying something that is relevant here:
It's not prejudice if they deserve it, then it's just plain judice.

[Pogo]

May have something to do with the fact that, up until recently, Mr Koenig was paying for advertising on the Magic Cafe.
Chris

I've never seen an ad at the Magic Cafe, Ad Muncher takes care of that for me, so I can't comment on that.

I DO know that one of the Magic Cafe's moderators, Tom Cutts, is a supporter of The Professor. In the "Is the million still there?" thread (recently deleted), he was defending The Professor and condemning The Professor's detractors AND moderating the thread. Towards the end of the thread's life, several posters began objecting to this obvious conflict of interest. The Magic Cafe forbids any talk of moderator's activity, so when The Professor began spinning indefensibly out of control and accusations of lying began to be slung from both sides, I guess it all just became too much and the powers that be trashed the thread.

It's too bad because there was some very choice The Professor's mania on display in that thread. Not that there's any lack of it here.

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Senex I said the very same thing over at MC forum.Why would any skeptic try to stop someone taking the MDC.Most woos manage to do it all by themselves.;)

New date will be 31st October 2009!!!! :D


That's what I speculated on in my first post in this thread.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4172950#post4172950
:pigsfly

[Azrael 5]

I've never seen an ad at the Magic Cafe, Ad Muncher takes care of that for me, so I can't comment on that.

I DO know that one of the Magic Cafe's moderators, Tom Cutts, is a supporter of The Professor. In the "Is the million still there?" thread (recently deleted), he was defending The Professor and condemning The Professor's detractors AND moderating the thread. Towards the end of the thread's life, several posters began objecting to this obvious conflict of interest. The Magic Cafe forbids any talk of moderator's activity, so when The Professor began spinning indefensibly out of control and accusations of lying began to be slung from both sides, I guess it all just became too much and the powers that be trashed the thread.

It's too bad because there was some very choice The Professor's mania on display in that thread. Not that there's any lack of it here.

Been very quiet lately Mr Cutts..since I reported his sorry ass ;)

[cwalner]

It's too bad because there was some very choice The Professor's mania on display in that thread. Not that there's any lack of it here.

what a shame, with TP not posting here anymore and the thread at the MC down, where will I go for my daily dose of Schadenfreude

[RoboTimbo]

what a shame, with TP not posting here anymore and the thread at the MC down, where will I go for my daily dose of Schadenfreude

Take one of these and call me in the morning. Except for the calling me part.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=282932&forum=251&103&start=90

Looks like patience is wearing thin over there.

[MattC]

At this point I'm honestly not sure if I care any more, it's been months of painfully frustrating work repeating the same objections to it over and over again, and then getting a new protocol with the same problems still existing.

It's really beginning to seem like a bad joke now.

~ Matt

[RoboTimbo]

At this point I'm honestly not sure if I care any more, it's been months of painfully frustrating work repeating the same objections to it over and over again, and then getting a new protocol with the same problems still existing.

It's really beginning to seem like a bad joke now.

~ Matt


You won't find disagreement here. It has renewed interest just because it's fun to see him flame out among his peers. It's the trainwreck quality, how long will he be able to jerk them around over there?

[Azrael 5]

Hey guys here is The Profs equipment for his test(ref thread on Magic Cafe)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_E2JRNrmN1c&feature=related

Oh boy! :D

ETA: Here's a few more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwvjhHd09hM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwvjhHd09hM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc4IXGoz6cg&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc4IXGoz6cg&feature=related)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYvE4l9AFrc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYvE4l9AFrc&feature=related)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUOkWGrz94s&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUOkWGrz94s&feature=related)

[Skeptic Guy]

Hey guys here is The Profs equipment for his test(ref thread on Magic Cafe)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_E2JRNrmN1c&feature=related

Oh boy! :D

ETA: Here's a few more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwvjhHd09hM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwvjhHd09hM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc4IXGoz6cg&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc4IXGoz6cg&feature=related)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYvE4l9AFrc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYvE4l9AFrc&feature=related)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUOkWGrz94s&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUOkWGrz94s&feature=related)

Wow, just...wow.

[Senex]

Take one of these and call me in the morning. Except for the calling me part.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=282932&forum=251&103&start=90

Looks like patience is wearing thin over there.

I read through that thread and am glad I didn't have to suffer through that drama in real time. It seems to me the professor refuses to answer certain questions for a reason. Why can't he post an audio file of one of his previous successful EVP invocations (he has done this before hasn't he?) and state why he considers that audio tape a success. Were six discernable words heard on the tape over a two minute period? OK, if seven out of ten independent listeners hear six (or whatever number of words or phrases are agreed to represent a success) identical discernable words or phrases on his test tape we can call that a win if certain agreed on protections were in place to make certain human voices were uninvolved.

the professor just wants one person to say he/she can't say exactly how one rogue noise on the tape was made and then he will walk away with a million dollars. I don't see that happening. The professor is either a rascal or he needs someone who understands nuance to negotiate his protocal for him.

[Azrael 5]

"A rascal"?

I can think of a few better words to describe him.
He is justa publicity seeker,who has spent too much time with JIm-Oh hello Officer do come in-Callahan! :D

[Pogo]

"A rascal"?

I can think of a few better words to describe him.
He is justa publicity seeker,who has spent too much time with JIm-Oh hello Officer do come in-Callahan! :D

You're referencing Jim Callahan? Is there any word that he has had a run-in with the law?

[Gr8wight]

Hey guys here is The Profs equipment for his test(ref thread on Magic Cafe)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_E2JRNrmN1c&feature=related

Oh boy! :D

Holy crap! That's almost funny...if it wasn't so pathetic.

[Mashuna]

what a shame, with TP not posting here anymore and the thread at the MC down, where will I go for my daily dose of Schadenfreude

I'm not a big coffee drinker myself, but I think Starbucks serve it.

[Azrael 5]

You're referencing Jim Callahan? Is there any word that he has had a run-in with the law?

Where have you been?!! ;)
Yes he had a run in with the law on Halloween.

[Seanrmr]

Maybe the cops saw his video saying someone will die and stopped by to make sure Jim was not making sure his prophecy was correct?

[chillzero]

Yes he had a run in with the law on Halloween.

Did I miss the evidence of this being posted?

[Azrael 5]

Did I miss the evidence of this being posted?

Okay so there isn't any evidence I can give but Jim and Koenig have themselves admitted as much,and a reliable source told me the info.I have no reason to doubt him.

[Mojo]

Okay so there isn't any evidence I can give but Jim and Koenig have themselves admitted as much...


Can you give a link to them admitting it?

[chillzero]

Okay so there isn't any evidence I can give but Jim and Koenig have themselves admitted as much,and a reliable source told me the info.I have no reason to doubt him.

I'd like to see that evidence also, otherwise this amounts to little more than a personal attack on forum members.

[Chris H]

Can you give a link to them admitting it?

The thread that it was mentioned in on The Magic Cafe was deleted for getting out of hand. It seems to be a habit of threads that The Professor is involved in. So I can confirm that they did mention that there was police involvement, and Mr Koenig inparticular accused three JREF members (naming Darat as one of them) as the people responsible for reporting them to the police. But no, the link is not available.

Chris

[Drudgewire]

Holy crap! That's almost funny...if it wasn't so pathetic.


IF? That's what makes it so funny. :newlol

[Pogo]

I kept up with the "Is the Million Still There?" thread at the Magic Cafe but it was not clear from reading it what happened on Halloween with regard to Jim Callahan and The Professor. My feeling was that The Professor was prohibited from using the cemetery in which he wanted to perform by the local police. Was Jim Callahan to webcast The Professor's performance? How did this result in Jim Callahan being question by law enforcement?

[catbasket]

It seems from the latest on the Magic Cafe thread that Mr Koenig's "paranormal" ability is to record radio broadcasts.

:speechless:

[Azrael 5]

It seems from the latest on the Magic Cafe thread that Mr Koenig's "paranormal" ability is to record radio broadcasts.

:speechless:

Tomorrow he is going to post EVP's he has carried out ,contacting a dead NASA employee!!! :eek::rolleyes:

To clar

[Senex]

It seems from the latest on the Magic Cafe thread that Mr Koenig's "paranormal" ability is to record radio broadcasts.

:speechless:

The professor moved the goal not just out of the stadium but into another time zone. That fellow on Youtube we watched just had a nice conversation with some spooks but I think that was just to keep himself from being lonely. I don't think it deserved a prize. I think the professor just quit. I didn't see that coming (but I bet the professor did because he is psychic).

[RoboTimbo]

No progress in the Magic Cafe protocol negotiation thread but they're only up to page 6. TP is up to the part where RevieV recused herself so he'll have to bash her for a while. He seems to have left off Darat for now.

A couple of them have checked out the protocol thread here and some eyes are being opened. Questions are being asked. Derails by TP are being noted.

[chillzero]

We don't seem to be discussing the performance any longer, rather just reporting back on what's happening on a different forum.

[Azrael 5]

We don't seem to be discussing the performance any longer, rather just reporting back on what's happening on a different forum.

Since I took to reporting his posts everytime he lied about the JREF forum members reporting him to police,the thread has been locked.I think the Magic Cafe is done with that subject,so as he seemingly doesn't want to post on JREF forum I guess we're done too. :confused:

[Senex]

Gosh darn it, we all know EVP's are out there but the only fellows who are willing to appoint a test find a need to bail out just before testing. It's enough to make you believe there really are no spooks to make EVP's.

[fromdownunder]

I find this response from TP on The Magic Cafe very telling:

I have stated this before and I will again. I will be using the equipment that exhibits the best results. This can change over a years time, so I'm not painting myself into any corner as of yet. I'm sure there are those who would like me to limit my chances of winning in this manner but I refuse fall for that.

Now, given that he originally intended to perform his test, what - 9 days ago, it would appear from his equivication on the equipment subject, that he did not even have any equipment 9 days ago, or simply refuses to name what he intended to use (all his posts re equipment have been "might use this", "still looking". "waiting for state of the art" etc.)

I am beginning to think that he never intended to put on a demonstration on October 31 this year, and had his excuses all lined up - even inventing some of his own that he knew from reading the Challenge rules - to ensure that this would never happen.

Of course, TP can prove me wrong in an instant, and with one post. TP, if you are reading this, what equipment did you purchase/build/beg/borrow or steal for the test you were going to perform on 31 October 2008? And what equipment did you use to originally establish your claimed supernatural ability?

Norm

[Azrael 5]

I find this response from TP on The Magic Cafe very telling:



Now, given that he originally intended to perform his test, what - 9 days ago, it would appear from his equivication on the equipment subject, that he did not even have any equipment 9 days ago, or simply refuses to name what he intended to use (all his posts re equipment have been "might use this", "still looking". "waiting for state of the art" etc.)

I am beginning to think that he never intended to put on a demonstration on October 31 this year, and had his excuses all lined up - even inventing some of his own that he knew from reading the Challenge rules - to ensure that this would never happen.

Of course, TP can prove me wrong in an instant, and with one post. TP, if you are reading this, what equipment did you purchase/build/beg/borrow or steal for the test you were going to perform on 31 October 2008? And what equipment did you use to originally establish your claimed supernatural ability?

Norm

I think practically every concievable quesiton to TP has been asked on here in one thread or another,and we didn't get answers.I was looking forward to his posting of previous EVP experiements tomorrow as well.With the thread locked I assume that's not going to happen. :confused:

[fakejakesnake]

I am beginning to think that he never intended to put on a demonstration on October 31 this year, and had his excuses all lined up - even inventing some of his own that he knew from reading the Challenge rules - to ensure that this would never happen.

Regardless of what TP may say to counter this, you are correct. It is precisely his intentions. All of it, and I mean ALL of it - was intended only to attempt discredit to others. He had and has no intention of winning, completing, writing, spending, building, testing, taping, convincing anyone of anything outside of his need to sell his story, gain notoriety and increase forum post counts for the sake of self-image.

You can point to no posts of his on any forum that indicates otherwise.
You can point to hundreds of posts from others that offered kindness and heartfelt assistance that was only met with HIS preconceived notions of what a skeptic is, and his inability to rise above his own level of understanding and insecurity. This is not said as a slam. It is my candid analysis of his statements and techniques mixed with his specified goals.

To put it another way, TP exists only in our responses.
After this post, I, for one, will no longer contribute to his crass and offensive approach to bringing about change and fame.
I believe without our part feeding him, he ceases to exist in his current form.

[Azrael 5]

Well I think The Professor is pretty much finished regarding MDC.Any negative/unproven reference to him and the JREF is removed from Magic Cafe now,someone posted on here that Koenig doesn't want to post on here anymore either.
So his only outlet now is emailing Jeff Wagg directly...............or YouTube.:rolleyes:

[Senex]

I look at the MDC contestents as falling into three camps: The sincere ones who will fail because their delusion has no chance against a scientific test -- and the insincere ones who know darn well they will never be able to win a fair challenge but hope to create some benefit from media attention before quiting.

The professor fell into the latter camp and lost more dignity than would have been expected a month ago. He quit in a terriibly undignified manner. He kind of sucks. Does he have a defender? If not, we can all agree the professor sucks and move on.

Of course there is also the potential third camp we all wish would happen. Proof of god/afterlife/spirits/X-ray vision... I doubt anyone reading this will hold their breath this will turn out to be true.

[RoboTimbo]

A pity. A real pity. Good on us, though. We can still sleep nights. There were times when I almost felt sorry for him, his need for attention was so transparent. Senex, maybe he is closer related to the first lot in that they all have a need for something.

[MattC]

Hopefully he continues mailing Mr. Wagg directly. It will be interesting to see if anything further is done on this issue.

~ Matt

[Azrael 5]

Hopefully he continues mailing Mr. Wagg directly. It will be interesting to see if anything further is done on this issue.

~ Matt

Doubtful,but at least he cannot post lies and bullying comments anymore.Ihtink he has spent too much time with Jim Callahan.Whilst Jim knew he couldn't hack it in a discussion on here,TP thought he could;assumed he was smarter than the skeptics.:cool:

[chillzero]

Can we please stick to the actual thread topic, or not post here? Don't bypass the MDC thread moderation status, in particular.

[Senex]

Hopefully he continues mailing Mr. Wagg directly. It will be interesting to see if anything further is done on this issue.

~ Matt

Umm, Matt. What part of thoroughly discredited did you miss?

A pity. A real pity. Good on us, though. We can still sleep nights. There were times when I almost felt sorry for him, his need for attention was so transparent. Senex, maybe he is closer related to the first lot in that they all have a need for something.

I believe he always knew he couldn't pass a test. He might have thought he could dodge agreeing to particular rules that would have made any noise on the tape ambiguous if rules were not part of the test. The JREF insists on rules and that made his efforts impossible. He complained and answered posts that had nothing to do with the posts that were related to questions that he couldn't answer truthfully without stating he was full of poop. He always knew he had no special abilities.

Personally, I don't think the professor falls in the first category. I do believe a woman currently posting in the "General Skepticism..." category is sincere. I doubt she will stick around much longer now that she is being asked questions that challenge assumptions she believes are true and wishes were never challenged. She will quit this site blaming insensitivity or something similar. She falls in the first category as truly believing in her power (but not enough to realize it isn't a power when unable to prove that power by passing a test). I believe she believes she has powers. I also believe she will fail any tests she s willing to take but she will continue to believe she has powers even after she fails testing. (It is very possible she will refuse to be tested -- if that happens I will say she might fall in the second camp and just wanted publicity.)

However, the professor always realized his impotency.

[MattC]

Umm, Matt. What part of thoroughly discredited did you miss?

The part where he was actually thoroughly discredited by rigorous testing and not his own stupidity.

I have had many disagreements with Mr. Koenig (they litter this forum, in fact), and at no time did I doubt his sincerity that he believes he can do what he says he can. On many occasions I have had reason to doubt his mental capacity or willingness to reason, but neither of these discredit an individual or any claims he may make so thoroughly as a scientific rebuttal. I still hold out hope this test will occur, slim though I admit this hope may be.

~ Matt

[Senex]

The part where he was actually thoroughly discredited by rigorous testing and not his own stupidity.

Mr. Koenig is disagreeable to testing. He can only be discredited by the latter.

[MattC]

Mr. Koenig is disagreeable to testing. He can only be discredited by the latter.

You're linking Mr. Koenig to his claimed abilities and passing one off as the other.

Thus far I confess to thinking Mr. Koenig himself to be a deluded fool, but his claim of EVP does seem to be based upon genuine belief. You do not combat genuine belief by calling someone stupid.

~ Matt

[Senex]

You're linking Mr. Koenig to his claimed abilities and passing one off as the other.

You're linking Mr. Koenig's never even attempted to prove claimed abilities with something that should be further considered.

That seems foolish today given the time and effort many people have given to let him have his moment in the sun (or at midnight in the devil's chair).

[MattC]

You're linking Mr. Koenig's never even attempted to prove claimed abilities with something that should be further considered.

That seems foolish today given the time and effort many people have given to let him have his moment in the sun (or at midnight in the devil's chair).

Yes, I was one of those who offered some suggestions as to how he could have his, er, moment at midnight? Yeah I guess that works.

The main point of discussion of the thread seems to be that he actually did try to get into the cemetary at night, for what I can only assume was an attempt to perform his demonstration. He did therefore attempt to prove something or other, but was stopped by his own foolhardiness.

~ Matt

[catbasket]

Sorry, no ;)

It turned out the Halloween performance was to be by Jim Callahan*, though Dave Koenig certainly gave the impression that he (DK) was the one doing the performance - even though he was just along for the ride or assisting or filming it for YouTube or doing the catering or holding the flashlight or something.

Pah, I forget. TP threads make me confused.

* His ISP (International Seance Project).

ETA - Jim's site (http://jimclass.com/Seance%20Main%20Page.htm). Seems it was to involve the death of a 94yo woman. You guys probably know this already - this is the first time I've actually been further than the front page of his site. Pretty sure it's been mentioned earlier in this thread as well.

[Azrael 5]

Sorry Matt,I don't believe Koneig believes he can create EVP's.No previous examples of this are to be found,nor mention until his supposed claim for MDC.

[MattC]

Sorry Matt,I don't believe Koneig believes he can create EVP's.No previous examples of this are to be found,nor mention until his supposed claim for MDC.

From the few seconds of time I can manage to stand the Magic Cafe's "Take the Challenge..." forum, it doesn't look like there was much notice of him at all before he applied.

In relation to your statement about Mr. Koenig not believing in EVP, I offer this as some testament to me believing he does. I'm willing to trust him when he speaks about himself, which may be where I've been going wrong this whole time:


I honestly believe that ITC and EVP are real and Paranormal Events that incorporate these things happen all of the time.


~ Matt

[Marcus]

I look at the MDC contestents as falling into three camps: The sincere ones who will fail because their delusion has no chance against a scientific test -- and the insincere ones who know darn well they will never be able to win a fair challenge but hope to create some benefit from media attention before quiting.

The professor fell into the latter camp and lost more dignity than would have been expected a month ago. He quit in a terriibly undignified manner. He kind of sucks. Does he have a defender? If not, we can all agree the professor sucks and move on.

Of course there is also the potential third camp we all wish would happen. Proof of god/afterlife/spirits/X-ray vision... I doubt anyone reading this will hold their breath this will turn out to be true.

It was apparent from the start that he was in the second camp. There was always that faint hope, however, that he was sincere, which is probably why a lot of us continued to humor him.

[RoboTimbo]

Umm, Matt. What part of thoroughly discredited did you miss?



I believe he always knew he couldn't pass a test. He might have thought he could dodge agreeing to particular rules that would have made any noise on the tape ambiguous if rules were not part of the test. The JREF insists on rules and that made his efforts impossible. He complained and answered posts that had nothing to do with the posts that were related to questions that he couldn't answer truthfully without stating he was full of poop. He always knew he had no special abilities.

Personally, I don't think the professor falls in the first category. I do believe a woman currently posting in the "General Skepticism..." category is sincere. I doubt she will stick around much longer now that she is being asked questions that challenge assumptions she believes are true and wishes were never challenged. She will quit this site blaming insensitivity or something similar. She falls in the first category as truly believing in her power (but not enough to realize it isn't a power when unable to prove that power by passing a test). I believe she believes she has powers. I also believe she will fail any tests she s willing to take but she will continue to believe she has powers even after she fails testing. (It is very possible she will refuse to be tested -- if that happens I will say she might fall in the second camp and just wanted publicity.)

However, the professor always realized his impotency.


I probably didn't word it well. I'm not naive enough to think that he believed in psychic ability or that EVP's are paranormal. I meant that he was like the first camp in that he had a real NEED to think there was something special about himself, just like people who are self-deluded and believe they have special abilities that raise them above the norm. He was just extrememly cynical about it. His need was for OTHERS to think he was special.

I frankly don't think we'ver heard the last of him. He cannot escape that need for recognition and he got it here in spades.

By the way, isn't there supposed to be some sort of video or audio from Friday that was supposed to wow us?

[Azrael 5]

RoboTimbo Friday never happened so there will be no video or audio.It is funny reading back through the Prof's threads now.Talk of media exposes,seance experimentsand as you say video evidence.The only thing exposed was Jim's ineptness.

[RoboTimbo]

RoboTimbo Friday never happened so there will be no video or audio.It is funny reading back through the Prof's threads now.Talk of media exposes,seance experimentsand as you say video evidence.The only thing exposed was Jim's ineptness.


I wonder how long Chillzero will let us keep talking about him in the past tense.

[Senex]

I wonder how long Chillzero will let us keep talking about him in the past tense.

It is amazing how this website embraces people who say they can break the laws of physics. Adding this rascal wasn't so much.

[fromdownunder]

I wonder how long Chillzero will let us keep talking about him in the past tense.

Well, I will test it one more time. TP made a fatal mistake for an entertainer - he became boring.

Norm

[chillzero]

I don't know what it has to do with me.

I'll repeat: post on topic, or let this thread die.

[Mojo]

Has anyone spotted anything about the second attempt that they were hinting might take place on Friday 7th?

[Azrael 5]

Has anyone spotted anything about the second attempt that they were hinting might take place on Friday 7th?

Nope. :rolleyes:

[fromdownunder]

Has anyone spotted anything about the second attempt that they were hinting might take place on Friday 7th?

I watched Halloween II again recently. Does that count?

Norm

[Azrael 5]

You know who was busy sqwaking on Magic Cafe earlier that he was still going for the million and his protocol was being worked on!
Until his post got deleted! :D

Prof if you're reading this..it's over man.Give it up :)

[chillzero]

Off topic posts and bickering moved to AAH. Keep it on topic, guys, and keep it civil.

[ParrotPirate]

If TP is naming names and making accusations against specific people,couldn't there be some kind of legal action taken? Especially if his accusations are false? Obviously that would make him cry more about JREF/MDC being unfair and against him,but dragging peoples names through the mud with no real evidence is outrageous.

[Azrael 5]

PP the thing is-like his buddy Jim Callahan,no-one takes what he says seriously,even people on magic cafe! Hollow vessels make most noise remember? ;)

[chillzero]

Derail moved. Keep it on topic, or the thread will be closed.

[The Professor]

In his MDC thread The Professor professed -



I'm surprised that TP hasn't yet posted to inform us of his success at whatever it is he was planning to do. My google-fu is weak, anyone have any info on what happened?

I am so saddened that the JREF MDC choose not to attend the events that were so successful and enlightening!

I really wanted them there. I also offered to let any interested members of the JREF Forum attend if you remember correctly. (Not sure if those invitations have been deleted or not) I even offered a $25,000.00 credit (Against the million dollar reward) to those who assisted in the event.

I will be revealing the evidence very soon. It will be AMAZING to all!

More coming :)

[Czarcasm]

I really wanted them there. I also offered to let any interested members of the JREF Forum attend if you remember correctly. (Not sure if those invitations have been deleted or not) I even offered a $25,000.00 credit (Against the million dollar reward) to those who assisted in the event.I am proud of the fact that not one JREF member took the bribe you offered.

[The Professor]

You are OFF BY ONE :)
HAAA HAAA

[Czarcasm]

You are OFF BY ONE :)
HAAA HAAAWho accepted the bribe and showed up?

[Pixel42]

I also offered to let any interested members of the JREF Forum attend
"Let"? :confused:

Every member of the JREF forum had as much right to be in that churchyard as you did.

[Kuko 4000]

"Let" = megalomania.

I will be revealing the evidence very soon. It will be AMAZING to all!


Yep, until then, bye bye.

[Cuddles]

I am so saddened that the JREF MDC choose not to attend the events that were so successful and enlightening!

Attend what? Are we still talking about the Halloween performance that never actually happened? While I'm sure it would have been fun to watch you all be told off by the police, that's not really the sort of thing the JREF is interested in.

I will be revealing the evidence very soon. It will be AMAZING to all!

So you complain about the JREF being too slow to publish financial statements which probably haven't even been sent out yet, but 2 months after your non-event you still have nothing to say except that you will be doing something soon. Tell me, does the word "hypocrite" mean anything to you?

[RoboTimbo]

Who accepted the bribe and showed up?


Are the police members of JREF? If not, it must be Jim Callahan.

[Azrael 5]

He promises a lot -very much like Callahan.EVP's,ITC's recordings of dead NASA employees(dead dudes)and has been doing since August.
Change the record Dave,you are officially a non claimant!

[rjh01]

JREF member <> forum member.

[gdnp]

I am so saddened that the JREF MDC choose not to attend the events that were so successful and enlightening!

I really wanted them there. I also offered to let any interested members of the JREF Forum attend if you remember correctly. (Not sure if those invitations have been deleted or not) I even offered a $25,000.00 credit (Against the million dollar reward) to those who assisted in the event.

I will be revealing the evidence very soon. It will be AMAZING to all!

More coming :)

I considered starting a pool for predictions of when The "Professor" will release any results of his Halloween event. Then I realized that with everyone betting "never" it wouldn't be much of a pool.

[Azrael 5]

I considered starting a pool for predictions of when The "Professor" will release any results of his Halloween event. Then I realized that with everyone betting "never" it wouldn't be much of a pool.

The problem you have is The Prof is so transparent.For one that makes so many predictions he sure is predictable. :D

[RoboTimbo]

The problem you have is The Prof is so transparent.For one that makes so many predictions he sure is predictable. :D

And that's a problem how?

If he would simply listen to the skeptics and repeat the predictions they make, he'd be way ahead on the prediction score. Maybe the dead dudes that he talks to are jerking his chain by giving him false info to prove they don't exist?

Only nine months to the next Halloween. Get your whacking sticks ready for shenanigans.

[Aepervius]

Cemetaries are privately owned so I'm not sure what the police have to do with it if permission is obtained from the cemetary owner.

The crushing majority of cemetery here are public property. there are very few (count them on 2 hands) privately owned cemetery but not allowed to have new burial, they er only authorized to be kept as long as they are maintained. Also all [public] cemetery have rules on what you can do in them. For example you can't film/take photo without permission from the city, and must not disturb the mourning people.

[Azrael 5]

And that's a problem how?

If he would simply listen to the skeptics and repeat the predictions they make, he'd be way ahead on the prediction score. Maybe the dead dudes that he talks to are jerking his chain by giving him false info to prove they don't exist?

Only nine months to the next Halloween. Get your whacking sticks ready for shenanigans.

No "problem" as such just bad sentence structure.I notice he is still jabbering on Magic Cafe with his conspiraciy theories.

[Azrael 5]

Oh I see Jeff Wagg is now censoring threads and locking/deleting them as he has been "exposed" as being involved in deception according to The Prof on the green place.
Now as I see it,there are only three threads actually closed re:Professor.His MDC thread(obviously as he is no longer a claimant)and two others,one due to duplicate subject matter and third due to a JREF review.

So Dave when you read this I think there are four threads currently open,so share your biased opinion re:Jeff Wagg with us all in any of them.

Really for someone who is an ex-claimant and think us skeptics to be follwers of Randi you do make rather a lot of posts about us all.

Maybe the taste of Kool Aid was just too hard to resist :)

[catbasket]

Dave, this one-trick pony is dead. Can you not see that?

[Azrael 5]

He is proving skeptics right at every turn.

We=skeptics.

We said he would never take the challenge.We were right.
We said he had no proof of paranormal ability.We were right.
We said he was looking for an excuse to get his claim thrown out so he could besmirch JREF on Magic cafe forum.We were right.

I don't even think any of the anti-Randi brigade on MC even take any notice of him now.Only replies to his insane posts are from skeptics.

[zooterkin]

I am so saddened that the JREF MDC choose not to attend the events that were so successful and enlightening!
What do you think 'JREF MDC' stands for?


I really wanted them there. I also offered to let any interested members of the JREF Forum attend if you remember correctly. (Not sure if those invitations have been deleted or not) I even offered a $25,000.00 credit (Against the million dollar reward) to those who assisted in the event.
Gosh, I can't imagine why anyone would turn down that offer... Oh, wait, perhaps it's because you haven't even stated what it is you can do, let alone demonstrated it?

[gdnp]

I am so saddened that the JREF MDC choose not to attend the events that were so successful and enlightening!
Then perhaps next time you should send out an invitation explaining exactly where and what is going to happen. It's not like people from all over the world are likely to jump on planes to fly to Florida to sit all day and night in a cemetery waiting for something magical to happen, like Linus waiting for the Great Pumpkin.

I really wanted them there. Then why did you not send explicit invitations? As a reminder, and invitation usually includes a date and a time rather than just a location.

I also offered to let any interested members of the JREF Forum attend if you remember correctly. (Not sure if those invitations have been deleted or not) I even offered a $25,000.00 credit (Against the million dollar reward) to those who assisted in the event.Once again, I made numerous suggestions regarding your protocol, yet I never got an invitation.

I will be revealing the evidence very soon. It will be AMAZING to all!

More coming :)
You could start by revealing when such events took place. Halloween day? Halloween night? A week later?

I would not be surprised if JREF members actually did go to the cemetery on Halloween, and are waiting for you to explicitly state that you performed your act that day so they could prove you a liar. Willing to take that chance?

[Azrael 5]

Everything is always "coming" be it a protocol,proof of EVP,details of his writers...

...nothing ever arrives :D