Black Panthers Show Up As Armed Security At Philly Polling Place

[Cicero]

How do these fools beleive they are helping Obama by brandishing nightsticks outside this polling location?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCeD1RcJjAg

[Upchurch]

Scary black men threatening violence on white McCain supporters? Is it true this time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Todd)?

[Donal]

Dude, those ain't the Black Panthers. they are just some group using that name. The real Black Panthers are long gone.

[Cicero]

Scary black men threatening violence on white McCain supporters? Is it true this time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Todd)?

Let's see. Philly cops already arrested the one Panther with the nightstick standing outside the polling place. FOX News reporter Rick Leventhal is shown being harangued by the remaining 6'6" Panther dressed in full regalia. Their mere presence can be considered threatening,

[dudalb]

You mean this guy flew in from Wakanda in Africa to support Obama?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_188404910a53176629.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=14232)

[Gurdur]

Dudalb, I like you. :)

Cicero, enough of the artificial overwrought hysteria already. Sheeesh.

[Upchurch]

Let's see. Philly cops already arrested the one Panther with the nightstick standing outside the polling place.
Evidence he was arrested?

FOX News reporter Rick Leventhal is shown being harangued by the remaining 6'6" Panther dressed in full regalia.
Shown where?

[Cicero]

Dude, those ain't the Black Panthers. they are just some group using that name. The real Black Panthers are long gone.

Long gone? They just had a reunion in 2006. These fools at the Philly poll are probably members of the "New" Black Panthers. So they are unimaginative as well as loony.

[Dog Town]

Dude, those ain't the Black Panthers. they are just some group using that name. The real Black Panthers are long gone.

Yes, just like the KKK, pft...
Ever run into the bow-tie brigade, from the Nation O' Islam? They do dress nicer!

[joobie]

you'd think that were they actually trying to intimidate whitey, they'd go to a neighborhood with some white folks.

[dudalb]

Evidence he was arrested?


Shown where?

Hey, I understand being skeptical, but I have no doubt some nutbar calling himself a Black Panther showed up with some kind of club at a polling place.
I also thinks it proves nothing but nutbars come in all colors,shapes, and sizes.

[Cicero]

Evidence he was arrested?


Shown where?

Do you not have access to the internet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU

[Alex Libman]

Silly black panthers...

Only government-approved thugs are allowed to intimidate the public!

[WildCat]

This is a video that actually shows the guy with the stick:

neGbKHyGuHU

[tomwaits]

Silly black panthers...

Only government-approved thugs are allowed to intimidate the public!


So it's ok because other people probably have done it?

[Donal]

No, Alex is a basement syndo-anarchist (or whatever it is). Meaning, he sits in his mom's basement talking about how evil government is and they should just let people go out and take all the money they want.

[not_so_new]

So it's ok because other people probably have done it?

Nope... the point, at least the point I take away from it, is that it's not okay when anyone does it.

[Cicero]

Silly black panthers...

Only government-approved thugs are allowed to intimidate the public!

Sure. Perhaps you have some video of this occurring today at the nation's polling places?

[tomwaits]

you'd think that were they actually trying to intimidate whitey, they'd go to a neighborhood with some white folks.


Who said they were trying to "intimidate whitey"? This could be intimidating to anyone.

[WildCat]

Who said they were trying to "intimidate whitey"? This could be intimidating to anyone.
The guy interviewed by the reporter in the first youtube link.

[Donal]

you'd think that were they actually trying to intimidate whitey, they'd go to a neighborhood with some white folks.

Do they strike you as the reasonable type?

[joobz]

a couple of idiots at a single poll is shameful, but not unexpected. When I voted this morning, you had fools carrying campaign signs into the voting area.

If there was a large orchestrated effort at multiple polling places of these guys, then I'd call it concerning. As it stands, it's a couple of fools doing foolish things.

[Drysdale]

Where's Lefty when you need him?

[tomwaits]

The guy interviewed by the reporter in the first youtube link.

oh...i can't watch the video at work. :boxedin:

[Redtail]

...Well yeah, there are idiots in the Black community too. (Shocking how stupid sees no race.:rolleyes: ) As Joobz said this doesn't seem to be a large effort in Philly much less the nation.

[RandFan]

Where's Lefty when you need him?

Lefty split for Ohio --Williey Nelson

[Alex Libman]

No, Alex is a basement syndo-anarchist (or whatever it is). Meaning, he sits in his mom's basement talking about how evil government is and they should just let people go out and take all the money they want.

Anarcho-Capitalist.

And your desire to place me in "mom's basement" is so strong you cite it as fact without any evidence, even though I could obviously offer evidence to the contrary. Which Ivy League school did you fine-tune your debating skills at?

[David Wong]

This is chilling. I was sure I had Alex on my ignore list.

Anyway, fixed now! And also, here's another silly race-panic thread I can ignore. Because we all know a big white guy with a stick would get the exact same attention from Cicero and Wildcat. Exact same. Yup. Race not a factor at all there.

[MattusMaximus]

Do you not have access to the internet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU

Okay, that was ackward.

I saw no evidence of anyone being harrassed by either party in that encounter. Notice the entire time that there are people walking into and out of the polling place as if nothing is out of the ordinary.

It seems to me that the only person spooked by the two guys standing was the guy with the camera.

If this qualifies as "voter intimidation", on the part of either side, then Cicero has a pretty low standard of evidence, imo.

[joobz]

Okay, that was ackward.

I saw no evidence of anyone being harrassed by either party in that encounter. Notice the entire time that there are people walking into and out of the polling place as if nothing is out of the ordinary.

It seems to me that the only person spooked by the two guys standing was the guy with the camera.

If this qualifies as "voter intimidation", on the part of either side, then Cicero has a pretty lay standard of evidence, imo.
I don't know. The subtext is clear to me.

What do you think the response would be if people were wearing clan outfits in a mixed but predominantly white neighborhood?

[MattusMaximus]

Okay, one more thing. The cops were called on these guys, and apparently no one got arrested, though it seems one moron was asked by the police to leave. The other guy is still hanging around, with seemingly no ill effects.

Problem solved. Though I'm certain that Fox News (as well as other media outlets) will play this up for all it's worth as evidence of a new, rising reverse racism against good, honest, God-fearing white folks... yadda yadda yadda.

Next hysterical thread, please. :rolleyes:

[MattusMaximus]

One question... how do they know these clowns are with the Black Panthers? Did the two guys standing out front say they were Black Panthers, or is this just something that the reporter came up with as a way of pushing a sensational story?

[MattusMaximus]

I don't know. The subtext is clear to me.

I agree it looked a bit weird, but I saw no evidence of intimidation. As I said, there were plenty of people going in and out and no one was being stopped.

What do you think the response would be if people were wearing clan outfits in a mixed but predominantly white neighborhood?

Again, I ask you this question. What evidence does anyone here have that these two dudes were actually with the Black Panthers? Or were they just two guys wearing jackets that some people interpreted as Black Panther regalia? I sure as hell don't know.

All that said, I think it was a good thing the police told the guy with the stick to take a hike. Good on them.

[Upchurch]

Do you not have access to the internet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU
I do, but that video does not show:

Philly cops already arrested the one Panther with the nightstick standing outside the polling place.
Nor does it show:
FOX News reporter Rick Leventhal is shown being harangued by the remaining 6'6" Panther dressed in full regalia.
Neither does your OP video.


Hey, I understand being skeptical, but I have no doubt some nutbar calling himself a Black Panther showed up with some kind of club at a polling place.
I also thinks it proves nothing but nutbars come in all colors,shapes, and sizes.
I absolutely agree. Those weren't the claims I was asking Cicero to support.

[MattusMaximus]

Up, you are exactly right. The videos do seem to show an ackward situation, but no evidence of...

1. voter intimidation
2. police arresting anyone
3. harrassment of the reporter

If Cicero keeps spinning like this, eventually he's going to acheive liftoff :rolleyes:

[joobz]

I agree it looked a bit weird, but I saw no evidence of intimidation. As I said, there were plenty of people going in and out and no one was being stopped.



Again, I ask you this question. What evidence does anyone here have that these two dudes were actually with the Black Panthers? Or were they just two guys wearing jackets that some people interpreted as Black Panther regalia? I sure as hell don't know.

All that said, I think it was a good thing the police told the guy with the stick to take a hike. Good on them.
The stick is what made thier intentions clear. Intimidation.

I agree. the police came, dispersed them, problem solved.

[Redtail]

Again, I ask you this question. What evidence does anyone here have that these two dudes were actually with the Black Panthers? Or were they just two guys wearing jackets that some people interpreted as Black Panther regalia? I sure as hell don't know.


Well they had the berets too and a cursory glance at the "uniforms" they could very well be Black Panthers. Having said that I could walk the 20ft to the costume shop here and put together a passable outfit in 10-15min. Not to mention if this were a real effort by the Black Panthers I would think there would be many more reports of it happening.

[MattusMaximus]

The stick is what made thier intentions clear. Intimidation.

Yes, stick guy should have been asked to leave. Good move by the cops.

I agree. the police came, dispersed them, problem solved.

Correction, they asked the one guy to go. The other fellow was still there, and as the Fox News reporter stated, he had every right to be there.

[dudalb]

Not to mention that the real Black Panthers is pretty much a Senior Citizen's club now......
Of course here in Sacramento the infamous "Storming of the State Capitol Building" from the 60's is remembered.

[WildCat]

Where's Lefty when you need him?
Chasing down imaginary Nazis sent by the local radio station and the GOP to intimidate Obama supporters.

Anyway, fixed now! And also, here's another silly race-panic thread I can ignore. Because we all know a big white guy with a stick would get the exact same attention from Cicero and Wildcat.
Can't speak for Cicero, but I surely would. Got any examples David?

Exact same. Yup. Race not a factor at all there.
It's not. I also wouldn't be questioning whether a guy in a KKK outfit with a stick in front of a polling place was a real KKK guy, since anyone can dress in a sheet and hood... and therefore it's no big deal.

[MattusMaximus]

Well they had the berets too and a cursory glance at the "uniforms" they could very well be Black Panthers. Having said that I could walk the 20ft to the costume shop here and put together a passable outfit in 10-15min. Not to mention if this were a real effort by the Black Panthers I would think there would be many more reports of it happening.

Agreed. If the real BPs were involved, there'd be a helluva lot more going on than just two guys hanging out in front of a polling place. And it'd be pretty damned obvious to everyone there was a concerted effort at intimidating people.

This is just... hyperbole. The police did their job, and the situation is apparently resolved. Not that I expect Fox News to shut up about it though; it's just too juicy a storyline to drop. They're going to milk this thing for much more than it's worth.

My guess is we'll still be hearing all about it by the weekend. There is likely an email being dispersed across teh Internets already about this, complete with all manner of crazed claims contained therein :rolleyes:

ETA: To be fair, I also expect to hear similar stories about supposed "voter intimidation" coming from the other side. Just wait, it's only a matter of time.

[Nogbad]

Shurely more evidence of the need for UN election scrutineers at US elections - if more were needed ;)

[Cicero]

I do, but that video does not show:


Nor does it show:

Neither does your OP video.



I absolutely agree. Those weren't the claims I was asking Cicero to support.

Cops did escort the BP with the nightstick to leave the premises. Not arrested as was claimed. Here is FOX News Leventhol interviewing the other BP. This guy is plain loony. These two represented themselves as from a security company when they are just vigilantes.

So there were two "Black Panthers," one armed with a nightstick, at a Philly polling place posing as security. One of the BP's is haranguing Leventhal for doing his job as a reporter.

Now you responded in your initial post that this was somehow a claim about violence on McCain supporters and that you were incredulous about what the thread said it was about. The videos back up exactly what these two "BP's were doing, what one was carrying, that one was indeed escorted away as reported by onlookers, and the confrontation of "BP" with Fox reporter.

You immidietly thought this was a hoax. Then after being shown what happened at the scene, you quibble about the cops not arresting the "BP," or being shown escorting the "BP" away, or that it did not show violence towards McCain supporters, which was your own characterization of what the OP was about.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek78MhY84xs

[Cicero]

Agreed. If the real BPs were involved, there'd be a helluva lot more going on than just two guys hanging out in front of a polling place. And it'd be pretty damned obvious to everyone there was a concerted effort at intimidating people.

This is just... hyperbole. The police did their job, and the situation is apparently resolved. Not that I expect Fox News to shut up about it though; it's just too juicy a storyline to drop. They're going to milk this thing for much more than it's worth.

My guess is we'll still be hearing all about it by the weekend. There is likely an email being dispersed across teh Internets already about this, complete with all manner of crazed claims contained therein :rolleyes:

ETA: To be fair, I also expect to hear similar stories about supposed "voter intimidation" coming from the other side. Just wait, it's only a matter of time.

Maybe Rick Levanthol had the entire thing staged. You wouldn't put that past the evil FOX News, would you?

Please find some video of white supremacist holding clubs at polling stations today. Maybe that is why this is a news story. If these two Einsteins didn't want to send a message by standing out front of a Philly polling place in either BP or Michale Jackson paraphernalia, then why show up at all?

"BP" haranguing Fox News Leventhol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek78MhY84xs

[Upchurch]

Cops did escort the BP with the nightstick to leave the premises. Not arrested as was claimed.
Ah. Thank you.


One of the BP's is haranguing Leventhal for doing his job as a reporter.
Do you mean when he refused to answer the reporter's questions? That counts as haranguing? When he neither approached the reporter or followed him in any way?

.....'kay. :rolleyes:


Now you responded in your initial post that this was somehow a claim about violence on McCain supporters and that you were incredulous about what the thread said it was about.
Actually, I said "threatening violence", which you confirmed is what you meant in post #4.


The videos back up exactly what these two "BP's were doing, what one was carrying, that one was indeed escorted way as reported by onlookers, and the confrontation of "BP" with Fox reporter.
All this is true. It isn't, however, what you were previously claiming (or spinning, as it now appears).


You immidietly thought this was a hoax.
Can you blame me? It isn't like it hasn't happened previously nor like Fox News hasn't been taken in by it before. Especially considering that your OP video provided no evidence.


Then after being shown what happened at the scene, you quibble about the cops not arresting the "BP,"
Yes, we do that a lot on this board. It is generally called "asking you to back your claims". Since your claims were false, it could now be called "debunking your claims".



or that it did not show violence towards McCain supporters, which was your own characterization of what the OP was about.
And yours:
Their mere presence can be considered threatening,

[gtc]

Chasing down imaginary Nazis sent by the local radio station and the GOP to intimidate Obama supporters.

Yeah. Funny how he never presented any evidence for his claim that the GOP was sending out thugs to intimidate voters. Must be too busy or something.

[Puppycow]

Ugh. Numbskulls.

Looks like there were also a couple of republican numbskulls in Indiana (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/11/04/indiana_republican_poll_worker.html)

[Cicero]

Ah. Thank you.



Do you mean when he refused to answer the reporter's questions? That counts as haranguing? When he neither approached the reporter or followed him in any way?

.....'kay. :rolleyes:



Actually, I said "threatening violence", which you confirmed is what you meant in post #4.



All this is true. It isn't, however, what you were previously claiming (or spinning, as it now appears).



Can you blame me? It isn't like it hasn't happened previously nor like Fox News hasn't been taken in by it before. Especially considering that your OP video provided no evidence.



Yes, we do that a lot on this board. It is generally called "asking you to back your claims". Since your claims were false, it could now be called "debunking your claims".




And yours:

What claims were false? The cops showed up and escorted an armed BP, but did not arrest him? Wow! You certainly obliterated that conspriacy theory.

The remaining BP is haranguing Levanthal that he has no right to be there. How did you debunk that?

Indeed. I said the mere presence of these morons was threatening as the two video showed. You, on the other hand, claimed it was supposed to show :


"Scary black men threatening violence on white McCain supporters"Upchurch

Any "spinning" initiated in this thread was by you.

One of the videos is by a college student. Was he part of this FOX News woo?

Don't give me "that's what we do here" crap. you have a history on the forum challenging a thread that reports a common news story and then jump up and down asking for links.

You didn't complain about the accuracy of the local Detroit FOX News affiliate story about the Halloween women not giving treats to kids whose parents support Obama.

Why is that a legitimate story, but this one is not?

[joobie]

Do they strike you as the reasonable type?

not particularly, no, but it makes me wonder a bit about what they hoped to accomplish.

[dudalb]

Ugh. Numbskulls.

Looks like there were also a couple of republican numbskulls in Indiana (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/11/04/indiana_republican_poll_worker.html)


In the words of Bart Simpson "Way Too Obvious, Dude".

[Upchurch]

What claims were false? The cops showed up and escorted an armed BP, but did not arrest him? Wow! You certainly obliterated that conspriacy theory.

{snip}

Any "spinning" initiated in this thread was by you.
:rolleyes: You morphed "asked to leave" into "was arrested" and you aren't spinning? Not even a little bit? Really?


The remaining BP is haranguing Levanthal that he has no right to be there. How did you debunk that?
The man neither approached Levanthal nor followed him once he turned away. He obviously did not want to even talk to him. Yeah, I think your video debunked the haranguing claim pretty well.

Indeed. I said the mere presence of these morons was threatening as the two video showed. You, on the other hand, claimed it was supposed to show :

"Scary black men threatening violence on white McCain supporters"
No, I was parodying the Ashley Todd incident.


One of the videos is by a college student. Was he part of this FOX News woo?Only if he is the "Ashley Todd" of this situation.


Don't give me "that's what we do here" crap. you have a history on the forum challenging a thread that reports a common news story and then jump up and down asking for links.
Only for claims that are not represented in the report. Your claim that the man was arrested, for example. And yes, though you may not like it, that is what we do here.


You didn't complain about the accuracy of the local Detroit FOX News affiliate story about the Halloween women not giving treats to kids whose parents support Obama.
...because they actually showed video of the woman saying she would not give candy to kids who said they supported Obama. See the difference is, that claim was actually supported by the video, whereas your claim was not.


Why is that a legitimate story, but this one is not?
I didn't say it wasn't a legitimate story. In fact, I think that it is now that further evidence has been provided. What I don't think is legitimate is your exaggerated account of it.

[joobie]

it bears mentioning that these guys are not 'black panthers.'

they are 'new black panthers.'

some other brand of tard, i guess.

[Father Dagon]

a couple of idiots at a single poll is shameful, but not unexpected. When I voted this morning, you had fools carrying campaign signs into the voting area.Did you told them that the Ron Paul campaign was this way? :D

During the swedish 2003 referendum on the Euro, there was some polling station worker that put up a portrait of the recently assassinated Anna Lindh and lit a candle. He had to take it away, since that could tip the scales. His motives was sympathy, but rules are rules.

[Cicero]

:rolleyes: You morphed "asked to leave" into "was arrested" and you aren't spinning? Not even a little bit? Really?



The man neither approached Leventhal nor followed him once he turned away. He obviously did not want to even talk to him. Yeah, I think your video debunked the haranguing claim pretty well.


No, I was parodying the Ashley Todd incident.


Only if he is the "Ashley Todd" of this situation.



Only for claims that are not represented in the report. Your claim that the man was arrested, for example. And yes, though you may not like it, that is what we do here.



...because they actually showed video of the woman saying she would not give candy to kids who said they supported Obama. See the difference is, that claim was actually supported by the video, whereas your claim was not.



I didn't say it wasn't a legitimate story. In fact, I think that it is now that further evidence has been provided. What I don't think is legitimate is your exaggerated account of it.

Exaggerated? So the inital report by FOX News about the guy being arrested later tunred out to be not true and they reported that as well. Just as FOX News reported that the women being attacked was a hoax when cops got the truth out of her.

Harangue: "a scolding or a long or intense verbal attack; diatribe."
You have magically imbued the word to mean having to "approach" and, or, "follow" the person targeted. The BP said to Leventhal:


"You are harrasing me. I don't want you recording me. The community doesn't want you recording them. Nobody here has a nightstick. I don't care about what was. I care about what is. You have me telling you you have no authorization to be here at this polling place, that's what you got."

Leave the parodies to SNL. You don't have a knack for it.

[jj]

Maybe Rick Levanthol had the entire thing staged. You wouldn't put that past the evil FOX News, would you?


No, I wouldn't.


Please find some video of white supremacist holding clubs at polling stations today.

They don't have to, they sometimes control the registration to vote.

[Cicero]

No, I wouldn't.


They don't have to, they sometimes control the registration to vote.

So your penchant for woo is on the record.

I see. Your suggestion that there is white controlled voter suppression is as damning as video of two menacing BP's staked out at a voting center on election day.

And the voting booth collapse was at free fall speed.

[dudalb]

A polling booth fuss in NYC had some star power,and Mary Jane Watson is right on top of investigating voter apathy:
http://www.imdb.com/news/ns0000002/#ni0598142

A little bit of grandstanding on the part of Robbins, perhaps?
And I hope Dunst has fun in North Dakota. Beautiful state, but chilly this time of year.

[joobie]

in case anyone was wondering, these doofuses are anti-obama:

On Barack Obama and voting: "He's a puppet on a string. I don't support no black man running for white politics. I will not vote for who will be the next slavemaster." Besides, he added, Obama is "a Negro who doesn't even support reparations for black people in America."

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/33491864.html

[Redtail]

in case anyone was wondering, these doofuses are anti-obama:



http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/33491864.html

"I'll get Black to you on that."
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/12044467af2cd27d18.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=6485)

[Dog Town]

"I'll get Black to you on that."
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/12044467af2cd27d18.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=6485)

Only when talk'n to a "cracker".
I love that word, almost as much as Honky!:D

[Cicero]

in case anyone was wondering, these doofuses are anti-obama:



http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/33491864.html

Sure sounds like bonafide New Black Panther drivel. What will Upchcuch think? Where is the video!!!

[dudalb]

A couple of publicity seeking kooks.Whatta surprise.

[supercorgi]

Hell I watched that video and didn't find that guy very scary. If he's a BP, he needs some training in how to be more intimitating.

[Cicero]

Hell I watched that video and didn't find that guy very scary. If he's a BP, he needs some training in how to be more intimitating.

These are desperate times. While they strive for Mr. T, sometimes they have to settle for Urkel with a nightstick.

[leftysergeant]

All I have to work with is the word of Faux News and Republican.

No way would I take that court.