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Johnny Pneumatic
1st November 2003, 09:33 AM
Apologists say unicorn in the bible is a rino. Rino have two horns don't they?

geni
1st November 2003, 09:44 AM
It depends on the species. The indian rhino and the Javan rhino both have only one horn.
http://home.wanadoo.nl/photo/indiawild/rhino_side.jpg

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sophia8
1st November 2003, 09:56 AM
Which passage in the Bible mentions unicorns? AFAIK, unicorns were only ever mentioned in European folklore.
And Rhinos usually have two horns, but can sometimes have only one.

ETA: After a bit more searching, it seems that the unicorn myth may have orginated in China and been exported to the middle East and Europe via the spice trade; the Chinese unicorn, however, appears to have started out as a one-horned goat. For more info on this topic: Zhi: the Chinese Unicorn (http://www.rom.on.ca/pub/unicorn/index.html)

Johnny Pneumatic
1st November 2003, 09:56 AM
could the writers of the bible have known of Indian and Javan rhinos?

geni
1st November 2003, 09:59 AM
Originally posted by bewareofdogmas
could the writers of the bible have known of Indian and Javan rhinos?
Posible through travlers tails. Anyway I think the antilope theory works much better.
http://www.arabianoryx.com/assets/intro/intro05%20560.jpg

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Johnny Pneumatic
1st November 2003, 10:08 AM
maybe thats what the author was talking about. The apologists
will have a hard time with the bible's "Fiery Flying Serpents".

Chaos
1st November 2003, 10:42 AM
I once read an essay by Isaac Asimov saying that "unicorn horns" were probably the horns of orca (killer whales). These horns sometimes broke off and stuck in ships´ hulls, and the sailors sold them as unicorn horns to superstitious landlubbers.

geni
1st November 2003, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by Chaos
I once read an essay by Isaac Asimov saying that "unicorn horns" were probably the horns of orca (killer whales). These horns sometimes broke off and stuck in ships´ hulls, and the sailors sold them as unicorn horns to superstitious landlubbers.

are you sure you don't mean a narwhal
http://getvegan.com/blog/narwhal.jpg

Johnny Pneumatic
1st November 2003, 11:19 AM
those whales are cool.

Johnny Pneumatic
1st November 2003, 11:21 AM
they are teeth; not horns.

Chaos
1st November 2003, 11:24 AM
I don´t remember that essay very well. Maybe he really said "narwhales". I would make sense, at least.

Teeth? Outside the mouth? Maybe you mean "tusks".

geni
1st November 2003, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by Chaos
I don´t remember that essay very well. Maybe he really said "narwhales". I would make sense, at least.

Teeth? Outside the mouth? Maybe you mean "tusks".


They atcherly are teeth. When the narwhale reaches a certian age on of its teeth grows into that long spike. In some cases this process goes slightly wrong and you end up with a two spiked whale.

Marc
1st November 2003, 12:38 PM
Unicorns, dragons, cockatrice, satyrs, talking serpents and donkeys, flying fiery serpents. That is not even getting into the real weird stuff of Revelation.

Johnny Pneumatic
1st November 2003, 01:08 PM
The writer of Rev. must have been on mushrooms.

zakur
1st November 2003, 01:17 PM
From this article: UNICORNS, SATYRS, AND THE BIBLE (http://www.apologeticspress.org/rr/rr2000/r&r0004b.htm):It is evident once again that the Bible does not lower itself to superstitious mythology.:id:

Ratman_tf
2nd November 2003, 01:21 AM
It's always tickled me that fundamentalists say the bible is innerant, but only argue that Noah and the Flood and a young earth creation are literally true, but hold that Revelations is all allegory. If the bible is literal truth, wouldn't that mean Revelations is gonna be all giant 12 headed goats eating people and angels with swords running around hacking down buildings and forests and stuff? And beasts rising out of the sea? Not to mention the 'mark of the beast' is gonna be a 666 tattoed to your forehead, and not some WTO chip implant...

Leif Roar
2nd November 2003, 04:36 AM
Originally posted by bewareofdogmas
Apologists say unicorn in the bible is a rino. Rino have two horns don't they?

From Encyclopædia Britannica: Certain poetical passages of the biblical Old Testament refer to a strong and splendid horned animal called re 'em. This word was translated “unicorn” or “rhinoceros” in many versions of the Bible, but many modern translations prefer “wild ox” (aurochs), which is the correct meaning of the Hebrew re 'em.

Seems to be another case of poor translations.

neutrino_cannon
2nd November 2003, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by geni

Posible through travlers tails. Anyway I think the antilope theory works much better.
http://www.arabianoryx.com/assets/intro/intro05%20560.jpg

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That's an oryx in't it?

Is that a thylacaine in your avatar zakur? Always try the australian version of a wolf eh?

Hah! I'll bet there's no thylacaines in the bible!

And where's that wierd unicorn poster from a while back?

Anyway, unicorns seem unlikely to me, because ungulates with horns are typically even toed, and horses are odd toed.

Of course, unicorns ares sometimes shown with cloven hooves.