David Bellamy - thrown under the BBC bus

[kallsop]

BBC SHUNNED ME FOR DENYING CLIMATE CHANGE (http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/69623)

Another know nothing that didn't get the Warming memo from Al Gore over his internets.

Fellow skeptics - anyone care to predict a date certain when the bottom falls out of the Global Warming scam?

[athon]

Care to define 'Global Warming Scam' so we all know we're on the same page?

Athon

[Pipirr]

"The sad fact is that since I said I didn’t believe human beings caused global warming I’ve not been allowed to make a TV programme.

My absence has been noticed, because wherever I go I meet people who say: “I grew up with you on the television, where are you now?”"

Just a coincidence, Bellamy. The only sad fact here is that you aren't Charlotte Uhlenbroek.

[plumjam]

Good on him for seeing through it all, and speaking out.

[Zep]

I respect David Bellamy tremendously. However if he resorts to the "I'm persecuted so I must be right!" fallacy, then it isn't really possible to accept his propositions on that basis alone.

Perhaps he is right. But that's not the way to make the point, David.

[six7s]

Has he been 'persecuted'? Or, like many many others, has he and the format of his shows simply been relegated to the has-been pile?

Blonde is the new grey

[CardZeus]

Blonde is the new grey

That would be sun-bleached blonde...

[Asolepius]

Can someone direct me to an authoritative, objective, non-partisan evaluation of the evidence for AGW? I find it incomprehensible that one interpretation of the data can say that temperatures are rising and another can say they are falling. I thought that at least was settled. OK I can Google it but how can I believe what I read? Who is not cherry-picking the data?

[Darat]

I'd like to see proof for his claim to begin with - as far as I was aware he just wasn't fashionable any longer, times change, the media is fickle. For all I know the man was a bloody nightmare to work with so production companies and broadcasters didn't want to work with him any longer. Plus there are other channels in the UK, many fiercely commercial ones that will put anything on if they think it will get viewers and since he didn't jump to these I would be more inclined to think that his general popularity had just diminished. Or are they all "in on it"?

[Nero]

Non UK’ers need to understand The Daily Express is not really a credible newspaper, it quite happily publishes all sorts of rubbish. Bellamy hasn’t had a prime programme on any UK TV station for years so why he’s bashing the Beeb doesn’t really make any sense.

[240-185]

CTs are odd.

They say that Holocaust/9-11/Chemtrails/whatever are a conspiracy where everybody manipulates everybody, without a single evidence... But they aren't able to see that "The Great Global Warming Swindle" presents some manipulated charts sponsorized by oil companies?

[Mojo]

"The sad fact is that since I said I didn’t believe human beings caused global warming I’ve not been allowed to make a TV programme.

My absence has been noticed, because wherever I go I meet people who say: “I grew up with you on the television, where are you now?”"


That's odd, because back in 2002 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2002/sep/30/broadcasting.academicexperts) he was sure it was because he'd stood for Jimmy Goldsmith's "Referendum Party" against John Major, although he then went on to say that his TV career had stopped in 1994 (2 years before the point at which he now says that he "was still making loads of television programmes"). It was then that Goldsmith asked him to stand against Major. "In some ways it was probably the most stupid thing I ever did because I'm sure that if I have been banned from television, that's why. I used to be on Blue Peter and all those things, regularly, and it all, pffffft, stopped."

Actually, he says, his TV career had stopped some time before that - he made his last BBC series eight years ago.

[Cuddles]

What's really sad is that the headline is just plain stupid. One of the favourite points of deniers is that climate change happens naturally. Their conclusion that this means humans aren't having any effect is what the argument is about. No-one, apart from a few complete nuts that no-one gives a damn about, claims that climate change doesn't happen at all. Maybe the conspiracy is actually that the Daily Mail is trying to discredit Bellamy by claiming that he said stupid things that he never actually said.

[Nero]

Maybe the conspiracy is actually that the Daily Mail is trying to discredit Bellamy by claiming that he said stupid things that he never actually said.

Let's keep the Daily Wail out of this one, just the Daily Express in this case.

:)

[TrueSceptic]

Bellamy might be taken more seriously if he didn't repeat obvious falsehoods. From the article,
According to official data, in every year since 1998 world temperatures have been getting colder

Every year has been colder than the previous one? Clearly not (http://woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1997/to:2009).


, and in 2002 Arctic ice actually increased. Why, then, do we not hear about that?

He used to be a scientist and yet he thinks that ice increasing in one year, against a strong decreasing trend, means anything? It's beyond stupid. NSIDC (http://woodfortrees.org/plot/nsidc-seaice-n/from:1997/to:2009). It so happens that Tamino has a new thread (http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/11/04/northern-ice/) on Arctic ice.

Why would anyone take any notice of Bellamy when he displays such rank stupidity?

[TrueSceptic]

BBC SHUNNED ME FOR DENYING CLIMATE CHANGE (http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/69623)

Another know nothing that didn't get the Warming memo from Al Gore over his internets.

Clearly he is a know-nothing as he can't get the most basic facts right.

What does Al Gore have to do with this? Are you obsessed with him?


Fellow skeptics - anyone care to predict a date certain when the bottom falls out of the Global Warming scam?
That would be 20 years ago, 15 years ago, 10 years ago, 5 years ago, now? :rolleyes:

[Drudgewire]

I have no opinion on global warming and I don't get a TV show either.

Of course my show was about giraffes who start a heavy metal band and have a bunch of zany, madcap adventures but what's your point? :mad:

[Ocelot]

I have no opinion on global warming and I don't get a TV show either.

Of course my show was about giraffes who start a heavy metal band and have a bunch of zany, madcap adventures but what's your point? :mad:

I didn't know til the other day that Giraffes are completely mute. I guess the guitar solos would rock!

[Acleron]

That's odd, because back in 2002 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2002/sep/30/broadcasting.academicexperts) he was sure it was because he'd stood for Jimmy Goldsmith's "Referendum Party" against John Major, although he then went on to say that his TV career had stopped in 1994 (2 years before the point at which he now says that he "was still making loads of television programmes").


Even odder, in 2003 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2003/jun/07/careers.students3) he is claiming he was 'dragged, kicking and screaming', into TV. Sounds like he didn't want to do it in the first place.

[Professor Yaffle]

I always loved Ballamy's programmes as a kid, so was very disappointed when he started to come out with this stuff.

I get the feeling that his main opposition is to wind farms which he thinks are ugly and destroy the landscape and envinonment. I think his reason for disputing global warming is because it gives him another argument against wind farms.

Here's an e-mail exchange between George Monbiot and Bellamy:
http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2004/08/19/correspondence-with-david-bellamy/

[Jaggy Bunnet]

Non UK’ers need to understand The Daily Express is not really a credible newspaper, it quite happily publishes all sorts of rubbish. Bellamy hasn’t had a prime programme on any UK TV station for years so why he’s bashing the Beeb doesn’t really make any sense.

Never mind that, given that the interview was published in the Daily Express, who does Bellamy think murdered Diana?

[tkingdoll]

I have a GREAT story about him that I can't repeat here because of libel laws but will happily tell if I come to Tim & Lynns xmas party :D

As for not getting a show because of his opinions, meh. The very fact that people are saying they grew up with him on their screens should tell him why he no longer has a show.

Bring back Johnny Ball!

[Professor Yaffle]

I have a GREAT story about him that I can't repeat here because of libel laws but will happily tell if I come to Tim & Lynns xmas party :D

As for not getting a show because of his opinions, meh. The very fact that people are saying they grew up with him on their screens should tell him why he no longer has a show.

Bring back Johnny Ball!

I helped get Johnny Ball elected as our rector - though it was only after the clear favourite (Mark McManus) became ill and asked his supporters to vote for Johnny instead.

[Lothian]

Climate change is just an excuse. There is a clear plan in the BBC to get rid of all people who can’t pronounce their r’s.

[Cuddles]

Let's keep the Daily Wail out of this one, just the Daily Express in this case.

:)

It's a particularly subtle conspiracy.





Dammit! I even checked I had the right rag before posting.

[moon1969]

David Mayer de Rothschild says that global warming is true. Of course people are going to make money out of global warming. Making money is not a crime. Global warming is big business but that doesn"t mean that it is not true.

[moon1969]

Even Pat Robertson said that global warming is real. It doesn"t matter what Ted Turner said about global warming.

[TrueSceptic]

Climate change is just an excuse. There is a clear plan in the BBC to get rid of all people who can’t pronounce their r’s.
Obviously twue.

Officially, Jonathan Woss has been suspended because of offensive phone calls to Andrew Sachs, but we know better!

Hey, I haven't seen Elmer Fudd much on TV lately either...

[zooterkin]

Climate change is just an excuse. There is a clear plan in the BBC to get rid of all people who can’t pronounce their r’s.

Certainly not a category into which Mark McManus fitted.

"There's been a Murrrrderrrr. "

[Pipirr]

That's odd, because back in 2002 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2002/sep/30/broadcasting.academicexperts) he was sure it was because he'd stood for Jimmy Goldsmith's "Referendum Party" against John Major, although he then went on to say that his TV career had stopped in 1994 (2 years before the point at which he now says that he "was still making loads of television programmes").

Hey, so he did.

It was then that Goldsmith asked him to stand against Major. "In some ways it was probably the most stupid thing I ever did because I'm sure that if I have been banned from television, that's why. I used to be on Blue Peter and all those things, regularly, and it all, pffffft, stopped."

Actually, he says, his TV career had stopped some time before that - he made his last BBC series eight years ago. Perhaps he is too scruffy for telly these days, I suggest. He gives me a look. "There are some bloody scruffy people on television these days. Very scruffy in what they think and the way they talk."

That Charlotte Uhlenbroek isn't so scruffy.

[Acleron]

Obviously twue.

Officially, Jonathan Woss has been suspended because of offensive phone calls to Andrew Sachs, but we know better!

Hey, I haven't seen Elmer Fudd much on TV lately either...

Wasn't that Andwew Sachs?

[Dr. Imago]

That Charlotte Uhlenbroek isn't so scruffy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/programmes/who/images/charlotte_uhlenbroek.jpg

ME-OWWWW!!!

:eye-poppi: :jaw-dropp: :faint:

~Dr. Imago

[Acleron]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/programmes/who/images/charlotte_uhlenbroek.jpg

ME-OWWWW!!!

:eye-poppi: :jaw-dropp: :faint:

~Dr. Imago

If only my biology lecturer could have been so intelligent and knowledgeable, unfortunately my given hero was Bellamy, so I did biochemistry instead.

[RichardR]

Can someone direct me to an authoritative, objective, non-partisan evaluation of the evidence for AGW?

Try this (http://www.realclimate.org/).

[Spud1k]

It's kind of sad really. The likes of David Bellamy and Johnny Ball were what inspired me at a young age to get into science back in the 80s. Fast forward about 25 years and my childhood icons are now badmouthing the scientific discipline I work in.

But there's no conspiracy here - if they're subscribing to bad science, it makes them pretty poor choices as science presenters. Without wanting to get into the details (I'll see you on the science forum if you do), the case for human-influenced climate change has just become stronger and stronger over the decades, meaning the deniers are getting more and more marginalised.

[Mashuna]

It's kind of sad really. The likes of David Bellamy and Johnny Ball were what inspired me at a young age to get into science back in the 80s. Fast forward about 25 years and my childhood icons are now badmouthing the scientific discipline I work in.



Please don't tell me that Johnny Ball has gone to the dark side!

:covereyes

[Spud1k]

There are no more heroes. (http://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=2559614)

But after a song about John Dalton's atomic theory, the tone shifted and Mr Ball launched his attack on global warming. He said "the greens" had decided to "demonise" CO2 emissions and questioned whether CO2 could be poisonous, given that it makes up just one particle in every 3,000 in the atmosphere.

[Ocelot]

There are no more heroes. (http://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=2559614)

I just cried a little inside, then I started making excuses for him and did as any skeptic should do, some indepeendant research. Then I cried a little more.

Bizarrely find myself wanting to review my ideas on climate change (again) just to carry on loving Johnny Ball.

[wooooody64]

I have a GREAT story about him that I can't repeat here because of libel laws but will happily tell if I come to Tim & Lynns xmas party :D

As for not getting a show because of his opinions, meh. The very fact that people are saying they grew up with him on their screens should tell him why he no longer has a show.

Bring back Johnny Ball!

I grew up watching the likes of Bruce Forsyth, Blue Peter and Grange Hill, all of which are still on TV today.

[calebprime]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/programmes/who/images/charlotte_uhlenbroek.jpg

ME-OWWWW!!!

:eye-poppi: :jaw-dropp: :faint:

~Dr. Imago

nice. more pix, please!

oh, sorry.

[Spud1k]

I grew up watching the likes of Bruce Forsyth, Blue Peter and Grange Hill, all of which are still on TV today.

Not quite all. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7616045.stm) And let's face it, how many years do you honestly think Brucie has left in him?

[Ocelot]

I grew up watching the likes of Bruce Forsyth, Blue Peter and Grange Hill, all of which are still on TV today.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7616045.stm

[Aitch]

A good few years ago, a friend of mine (75% black, 25% Native American, born and bred in Queens) was traveling to London on British Rail. It being the weekend, she and her friend got a cheap upgrade to 1st class.

Some time into the journey, my friend is asked by her friend, "What do you think of David Bellamy?"

In her quiet, unassuming New York voice, which only slightly rattled the windows, she asks, "Who the **** is David Bellamy?"

The stunned silence is broken by raucous laughter from the seat behind her. She turns round to see who it is. Guess who it was, children.

So we know he at least used to have a sense of humour.

[Ocelot]

Guess who it was, children.

Lenny Henry?

http://tv.cream.org/images2/TIS5.JPG

So we know he at least used to have a sense of humour.

I guess not then :rolleyes:

[wooooody64]

Not quite all. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7616045.stm) And let's face it, how many years do you honestly think Brucie has left in him?

Which is not?? Obviously, bruce wont be on TV if he is dead, the fact that he is still on aged 80+ shows that yr never too old :-)

[Cuddles]

Which is not??

The link you just quoted may have been a slight clue.

[TrueSceptic]

Wasn't that Andwew Sachs?
Yes, but I didn't want to overdo it. :D

[wooooody64]

The link you just quoted may have been a slight clue.

Oh that underlined text you mean?

Grange Hill ended 2 mnths ago? well 2 out of 3 aint bad

[Professor Yaffle]

I did not quote a link. :confused:

Hint: Underlined words that change colour when you hover your mouse over them are links...

[wooooody64]

Hint: Underlined words that change colour when you hover your mouse over them are links...


Well, you learn something new every day, I will have to incorporate some of those words that change colour when you hover your mouse over them into the hyper text markup language in some of my websites :rolleyes: