What is the stupidest 9/11 conspiracy theory?

[dtugg]

I know it is very difficult to determine which one is actually the stupidest when twoofers spew out all of kinds of ridiculous nonsense. Anyway:

(1) No Planes at the World Trade Center. I might be a little biased since I actually saw a plane fly into the WTC with my own eyes.

(2) You also have a giant laser from space which really destroyed the WTC.

(3) And then there is the Pentagon flyover made up by Beavis, Butthead, and Captain Bob.


I would have to say that (1) and (2) are possibly tied. Also (2) and (3) are possible tied. This means that all three can be equally as stupid/crazy. I don't know, anybody care to share some insight?

[CHF]

No planes wins the Stupidity award in my books.

Although since that's not a mainstream twoofer idea, when it comes to more popular theories I'd have to go with any theory that has the perps staging extraordinarily risky and complex events for no friggin' reason!

For example, the crash of Flight 93 being faked, a missile hitting the Pentagon or WTC7 being blown up.

No conspiracy theory should ever leave the listener asking "what was the bloody point of this???"

[defaultdotxbe]

http://www.wiolawapress.com/lizard.htm
http://www.wiolawapress.com/wtc.htm

although its not entirely fair, the person is clearly not well

[TheWeirdSkeptic]

http://www.wiolawapress.com/lizard.htm
http://www.wiolawapress.com/wtc.htm

although its not entirely fair, the person is clearly not well

Congratulations I showed that to a friend of mine and he now hates me.

Now when I show my best friend I bet she'll kick me in the nuts and tell me she never wants to see me again.

[gumboot]

I've always found the "Disney characters in the WTC smoke" one pretty strange...

However personally I have to say my absolute favourite is the volcano one. Quite aside from the sheer unfathomable stupidity of suggesting the WTC towers were destroyed by a volcanic eruption, I fail to see how this proves an inside job.

1. Volcanic Eruption
2. ???
3. Inside Job!

[JoeyDonuts]

1. Volcanic Eruption
2. ???
3. Inside Job!

This of course, proves that the underpants gnomes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underpants_gnomes) were behind the whole thing.

[1337m4n]

1. Volcanic Eruption
2. ???
3. Inside Job!

I notice a lot of conspiracy theories miss that Step 2. For instance,


1. The FBI doesn't list 9/11 on the Most Wanted profile for Osama!
2. ???
3. Inside Job!

What is Step 2, Truthers?

[dudalb]

I would say 'No Planers" is the dumbest 9/11 Truth theory with any appreciable number of followers, but a few fringe theories, like the Energy Beams from Space or the Mini Nukes theories are even dumber, but they are so wack they even have problems finding any real number of followers among the Truthers....which must be some kind of record for being dumb, considering what the Truthers do manage to swallow in the way of outlandish theories.

[JoeyDonuts]

I wonder what theory the Breatharians believe in?

[AJM8125]

Well they're all ridiculous, but if I were to pick:

(1) IIRC an early troofer video by Rick Siegal shows one of the helicopters buzzing around the WTC complex launching very poorly animated "missiles" into WTC 2 seconds before it collapsed, complete with finger thumps on the mic to simulate the sound of explosions. I've tried to find this video since but it seems to no longer exists. Wonder of wonders.

Isn't it he who has accused Sophia Shafquat of similar video manipulation? Anyway:

2. The CT that the WTC was infiltrated by nefarious agents posing as various building staff in order to plant explosives without anybody being the wiser. As I work in commercial real estate management this one both infuriates me and gives me a good laugh at the same time.

[1337m4n]

I wonder what theory the Breatharians believe in?

WTC was destroyed by air.

[JoeyDonuts]

WTC was destroyed by air.

Wait...I thought air could sustain the human body in lieu of food and water indefinitely. How can something so benevolent be so evil?

It was MANIPULATED!!! Curse you, XENU!

[GodisEnergy]

How bout it was done by some guy in a cave from afghanistan :p:p

[orphia nay]

How bout it was done by some guy in a cave from afghanistan :p:p

That's one of the dumbest 9/11 strawmen, not conspiracy theories. Try again.

[Minadin]

Yeah, that certainly takes a back seat to (apparently) secret volcanos or death star type weapons as the stupidest theory ever.

Or, it would, if the "guy in the cave" didn't exist.

[Jonnyclueless]

If only there was a way to fit Chemtrails into 9/11.

[Minadin]

They both involve planes.

[AJM8125]

and ignorance

[1337m4n]

How bout it was done by some guy in a cave from afghanistan :p:p

When you say "cave", you are in fact referring to massive underground complexes loaded with modern-day military hardware.

[Brainster]

Well they're all ridiculous, but if I were to pick:

(1) IIRC an early troofer video by Rick Siegal shows one of the helicopters buzzing around the WTC complex launching very poorly animated "missiles" into WTC 2 seconds before it collapsed, complete with finger thumps on the mic to simulate the sound of explosions. I've tried to find this video since but it seems to no longer exists. Wonder of wonders.

Isn't it he who has accused Sophia Shafquat of similar video manipulation?

In fairness to Rick (who was a JREF forum member at one time and may still be), he has always maintained that he did not do the overlays on the video of 9-11 Eyewitness, that he simply recorded the original video of 9-11 and provided the filmmakers with a recorded discussion of his thoughts about the day which was never supposed to appear in the film.

On the most ridiculous stuff, I always say that people focus too much on the no-planers at the WTC like they're zanier than the no-planers at the Pentagon or any number of nutty theorists, like David L. Griscom's notion that the passengers are all alive and living it up in Tahiti. Steven Jones' thermate theories are every bit as crazy as Nico Haupt's no planer mashups.

[The Atheist]

(1) No Planes at the World Trade Center. I might be a little biased since I actually saw a plane fly into the WTC with my own eyes.


Couldn't agree more.

In a plethora of truly idiotic CTs, no planes is a level of stupidity verging on the mentally ill. (If not past the verge)

And I didn't see any of the planes hit.

[Zipster]

Mine candidate's a slight offshoot to the "no plane" theory.

Truthers claiming that 767s and 757s were too weak to cause any damage to the WTC towers and the Pentagon.

Just because they say modern aircraft are made out of "weak" aluminum. Of course the fact that the airplanes were massive and traveling at high speed has nothing to do with it... Nothing at all...

[AJM8125]

In fairness to Rick (who was a JREF forum member at one time and may still be), he has always maintained that he did not do the overlays on the video of 9-11 Eyewitness, that he simply recorded the original video of 9-11 and provided the filmmakers with a recorded discussion of his thoughts about the day which was never supposed to appear in the film.

I wasn't aware of those circumstances and thank you for that; I'd be just as bad as any troofer is for making accusations without merit. If I do recall correctly, the "missile" animation was being commented on by the narrator as it was being presented. From your description it sounds like the video I saw wasn't Rick Siegal's and I stand corrected.

[240-185]

(1) No Planes at the World Trade Center. I might be a little biased since I actually saw a plane fly into the WTC with my own eyes.
(2) You also have a giant laser from space which really destroyed the WTC.

I agree that these two statements are the dumbest.
For the bolded sentence: man, it was surely very a nightmare to see the real thing :/

[Architect]

Whilst a fan of fireproof steel, I must say I have to go with the "No Planes" theory as being unco' daft.

[defaultdotxbe]

the "faster than freefall" claims are pretty good too, but i think its due more to people posting faster than they can think than actually holding the belief that the conspirators are capable of defying the laws of physics

[Wildy]

Concrete core.

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[GStan]

I know it is very difficult to determine which one is actually the stupidest when twoofers spew out all of kinds of ridiculous nonsense. Anyway:

(1) No Planes at the World Trade Center. I might be a little biased since I actually saw a plane fly into the WTC with my own eyes.

(2) You also have a giant laser from space which really destroyed the WTC.

(3) And then there is the Pentagon flyover made up by Beavis, Butthead, and Captain Bob.


I would have to say that (1) and (2) are possibly tied. Also (2) and (3) are possible tied. This means that all three can be equally as stupid/crazy. I don't know, anybody care to share some insight?

My favorite is not actually a direct theory, but rather one that is implied through most other proposed theories: that is, the sheer volume of people who have failed to utter a peep of their involvment in carrying out said theoretical scenarios. I think I would be more likely to believe that the government had the technology to completely fool every eyeball and news camera within 20 miles of Manhattan into believing planes hit the towers when they didn't, than to believe that the evil conspirators, which, to pull it off, certainly must number in the thousands, if not tens of thousands, have an unblemished 100% success rate in keeping the entire faked plot a secret.

[Dr Adequate]

How bout it was done by some guy in a cave from afghanistan :p:p This thread is about conspiracy theories that people actually believe, making up your own is cheating.

[16.5]

How bout it was done by some guy in a cave from afghanistan :p:p

I agree! Every time a Truther brings up this ridiculous, racist, incredibly baseless claim that Al Queda planned, funded and executed the 9/11 operation from “caves in Afghanistan,” it is clear we are dealing with ignorant morons.

Good point Godisenergy! And here I thought you were a Truther.

[TexasJack]

I think nukes hitting the WTC buildings by Charles Pegelow, a structural engineer and a featured member at AE911, is the one that most absurd I have heard.

[JimBenArm]

Concrete core.

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Ah, that's only part. Concrete core, 3" C-4 coated rebar on 4' centers, with an imaginary PBS documentary that details it!

[Metullus]

Ah, that's only part. Concrete core, 3" C-4 coated rebar on 4' centers, with an imaginary PBS documentary that details it!And yet that still misses the best part: everyone in the US has been hypnotized to forget that we saw the PBS documentary.

I actually read that thread through twice. Twice!

[Grizzly Bear]

I'd have to go with the idea of nukes being used on the trade centers, and that is a tie with the space beam cabob.... If the explosives would have been too obvious don't ya think nukes and space beams would be juuuuust a little bit more conspicuous?

[JimBenArm]

And yet that still misses the best part: everyone in the US has been hypnotized to forget that we saw the PBS documentary.

I actually read that thread through twice. Twice!
Oh, yeah, I did forget that!

I read the entire thread also. Just once was enough for me. However, it will always hold a special place in my heart, as it is the first thread I posted in, to argue with ol' Chris. That was a total waste of bandwidth...

[8den]

I'm fond of the theory that the south park episode ridiculing truthers was actually a pro truther episode. It just takes a special kind of stupid to think that someone who's calling you a retard is on your side.

[Dave Rogers]

Oh, yeah, I did forget that!

And yet you saw fit to remind the rest of us, however much we've been trying to forget. I won't forget that.

Dave

[JihadJane]

I like the How-could-we-ever-have-predicted-that-people-would-hijack-planes-on domestic-flights-and-use-them-as-weapons-? conspiracy theory.

Very stupid.

[JimBenArm]

And yet you saw fit to remind the rest of us, however much we've been trying to forget. I won't forget that.

Dave
I'm just evil. Just another one of my many talents!

[Hokulele]

Anything with the words "dustify" or "pyroclastic".

[uk_dave]

I love all 9-11 ct theories, because they provide a pyroclastic avalanche of all the fantastic contradictory notions we humans are capable of, whereby we can believe in truly amazing things, such as god or ghosts or esp or reptilian overlords or a massive conspiracy to kill 3000 citizens in order to....ummmm... well, the reasoning is certainly dustified and in no way propitious, but we have people who can believe...perhaps even sincerely believe in these things and yet....... their lives remain virtually unchanged. They continue to pay their taxes and work their jobs (or go to school) and obey the rules that the (apparently evil and corrupt) society sets down, but only when in front of their computer monitors do they become something ..... other. Something different. Something..... incredible!! Except, of course, for those sad sacks who do actually imagine that they should get off their arses and do something about the conspiracy they just know exists and that THEY will be the one who blows the whole thing open ...oh yes..... and then..... they fail miserably because they dont have a clue.

9-11 conspiracies redeem my faith in the ineptitude of the amatuer slueth. Gawd bless 'em all

[Architect]

And yet that still misses the best part: everyone in the US has been hypnotized to forget that we saw the PBS documentary.

I actually read that thread through twice. Twice!


No, wasn't there some big Native American construction worker involved somewhere?

[JimBenArm]

No, wasn't there some big Native American construction worker involved somewhere?
Yes, but I don't quite remember his role in all this. He was part of Chris's fevered imagination as well, if I remember correctly. And I damn sure ain't gonna go back and re-read the thread to find out!

[Metullus]

No, wasn't there some big Native American construction worker involved somewhere?Are you trying to trick me into reading that thread for a third time? :eek:

[Whiplash]

Are you trying to trick me into reading that thread for a third time? :eek:

Hey, the classics never get old! I could read that thread for the rest of my life. It's gold.

[dtugg]

I like the How-could-we-ever-have-predicted-that-people-would-hijack-planes-on domestic-flights-and-use-them-as-weapons-? conspiracy theory.

Very stupid.

Remind me, how many times did this happen before 9/11?

[Spud1k]

One of my faves is the 93 shoot down theory. Doesn't quite beat the no-planers though. I might add the spring-loaded light poles at the Pentagon makes me chuckle.

[parky76]

I like the one about the 19 sweet angelic Muslim extremist cave-Arabs who take over 4 planes using plastic knives and fly them into the WTC and the Pentagon, evading anti-Arab missile batteries at the Pentagon and expert NYPD marksmen in New York.

And then 4 Zionazi Jews do the Hora ontop of a van in Jersey and blow up 10 invisible white vans in Manhattan while drawing planes with crayon on Yiddish moving vans.

=)

[Spud1k]

I like the one about the 19 sweet angelic Muslim extremist cave-Arabs who take over 4 planes using plastic knives and fly them into the WTC and the Pentagon, evading anti-Arab missile batteries at the Pentagon and expert NYPD marksmen in New York.

Hey! Don't forget the attack choppers that automatically shoot down any plane that comes too close to New York!

[8den]

Actually "The FBI don't want Bin Laden for 9/11" is really dumb.

I mean what you think there's thousands of FBI agents who've been reassigned to search for Bin Laden, and not one of them has come forward to complain that why are all these resources being wasted on a guy they think is innocent?

Or What? The FBI don't want Bin Laden, and just every news organisation in the world is controlled by the NWO, so they can't get the word out? Hang on doesn't the NWO control the FBI? How do you gain power behind the throne at this level and not control the FBI, but do control all the media?

Or, hang on, you're framing the man for mass murder, you just don't provide any evidence for the agency you'll charge with finding him?

Honestly the whole "FBI doesn't want Bin Laden" is easily one of the most idiotic concepts in the 911 truth movement, and one of the most prevalent.

[Sabrina]

The entire theory advanced recently in the (now defunt) "How 9/11 was done" thread by 9/11 Investigator.

12 pages (discounting the sidebars that got moved to AAH well before the thread itself) of nothing but speculation answered by scientific fact and evidence (which was completely ignored) that gradually degenerated into apparent anti-Semitism on the part of the OP.

[Homeland Insurgency]

I like NIST claim of the first time a tall building was brought down primarily by uncontrolled fires for WTC-7.

Come to think of it what was their primary cause of the towers falling if not fire?

Did they forget?

[parky76]

I like the one about the super-duper secret, highly trained, highly proffessional, ultra sophisticated Mossad agents who set up a white van in the middle of Liberty State Park, and jump up and down as they film the falling towers and do high fives.

Then, the FBI looks through an Urban Moving Systems garage, and "neighbors" say that they removed anthrax, fertilizer, blasting caps, and other bomb making materials. And ofcourse, the news articles making these claims magically disappears off the internet.

And then, the Mossad blows up a van in downtown Manhattan, and there is no video, audio, photo, or eyewitness evidence of the event, let alone physical damage to the pavement or buildings.

Now that is one...major...conspiracy!!!

..you know..if I was a truther, Id hate me too. I have this incredible knack for taking the complicated and making it sooooooo simple. =)

[defaultdotxbe]

I like NIST claim of the first time a tall building was brought down primarily by uncontrolled fires for WTC-7.
yeah, its silly to think anything could ever happen for a first time

[parky76]

yeah, its silly to think anything could ever happen for a first time

dude...9-11 was FULL of first timers!!

first time Arabs fly a plane.
first time Arabs commit a terrorist act.
first time a plane is hijacked.
first time the US military screws up.
first time Arabs are able to hit a target.
first time a building falls down.
first time passengers are able to stop a hijacking.
first time a cell phone makes a call from the air.
first time terrorists say they didnt do it..and then take responsibility a few
weeks later.
first time men make a video of a burning building.

[WildCat]

"The hijackers are still alive".

Easiest claim to prove, and yet over 7 years later and they haven't produced a single one.

[parky76]

"The hijackers are still alive".

Easiest claim to prove, and yet over 7 years later and they haven't produced a single one.

thats cause the Mossad killed them all.

[MIKILLINI]

Fetzer and Woods DEW theory.:rolleyes:

[parky76]

Fetzer and Woods DEW theory.:rolleyes:

You don't have to provide evidence, if the evidence was destroyed.

=)

[The Atheist]

the "faster than freefall" claims are pretty good too, but i think its due more to people posting faster than they can think than actually holding the belief that the conspirators are capable of defying the laws of physics

But that's actually all explainable through physics.

The thermite bombs used up the oxygen so quickly that it created a vacuum effect which sucked the buildings down faster than gravity alone.

Don't you know anything?

[defaultdotxbe]

But that's actually all explainable through physics.

The thermite bombs used up the oxygen so quickly that it created a vacuum effect which sucked the buildings down faster than gravity alone.

Don't you know anything?
actually thermite is self-oxidizing so it doesnt use any oxygen from the air (but maybe you meant that to mock how truthers seem to know nothing about thermite, lol)

[eromitlab]

It's so very hard to pick just one... but I have had two different troofers on another site claim that WTC 7 only suffered minor damage. ('Cuz the towers fell neatly into their own footprints! And left a small debris field! And beams were ejected hundreds of feet outside the footprints!) They both went on to claim that photos of WTC 7 showing damage to the structure from the previous collapses were photoshopped. Well, that certainly explains the photos of the damage to WTC 7.

And the videos of the damage to WTC 7.

And the live pictures of the damage to WTC 7 that were broadcast worldwide on various channels.

And the eyewitnesses that saw the damage to WTC 7. (Including Jennings and Hess, who were inside and witnessed the aftermath, told their stories, and had them distorted by conspiracy sites as proof of demolition and bodies in the building.)

And the firefighters who feared the building was going to collapse because they saw it leaning with their own eyes.

And the firefighters that couldn't go into 7 to fight the fires (that apparently started on their own, not because of flaming debris or anything) because of the damage.

And the first responders working on the pile who had to vacate a collapse zone around WTC 7.

Yep, all of it. Photos, videos, live pictures put on TV, what hundreds of people saw with their own eyes... all of it was photoshopped. That must be why Photoshop costs about a thousand dollars... it sure is one hell of a program to be able to do all that!

[defaultdotxbe]

It's so very hard to pick just one... but I have had two different troofers on another site claim that WTC 7 only suffered minor damage. ('Cuz the towers fell neatly into their own footprints! And left a small debris field! And beams were ejected hundreds of feet outside the footprints!) They both went on to claim that photos of WTC 7 showing damage to the structure from the previous collapses were photoshopped. Well, that certainly explains the photos of the damage to WTC 7.

And the videos of the damage to WTC 7.

And the live pictures of the damage to WTC 7 that were broadcast worldwide on various channels.

And the eyewitnesses that saw the damage to WTC 7. (Including Jennings and Hess, who were inside and witnessed the aftermath, told their stories, and had them distorted by conspiracy sites as proof of demolition and bodies in the building.)

And the firefighters who feared the building was going to collapse because they saw it leaning with their own eyes.

And the firefighters that couldn't go into 7 to fight the fires (that apparently started on their own, not because of flaming debris or anything) because of the damage.

And the first responders working on the pile who had to vacate a collapse zone around WTC 7.

Yep, all of it. Photos, videos, live pictures put on TV, what hundreds of people saw with their own eyes... all of it was photoshopped. That must be why Photoshop costs about a thousand dollars... it sure is one hell of a program to be able to do all that!
and since it shouldnt have been in any danger of collapsing there was no reason to restrict firefighting activities, so because the FDNY wasnt fighting fires they must not have been that bad, which proves it shouldnt have collapsed, which proves anyone who expected it to collapse must have known about the demolition, which means the demolition must have been planned, which proves it didnt collapse naturally

[JoeyDonuts]

Actually "The FBI don't want Bin Laden for 9/11" is really dumb.

Could it be...that maybe. JUST maybe...that U.S. Army SOCOM is set up a little better for tracking and killing him? I know if I was over there and saw him, I wouldn't be reporting him to the automated tipline of the nearest FBI field activity. I would be calling in grid coordinates for a "special hello" from an AC-130. :D

[l0k0]

The alleged motives are the ones I usually find to be the most ridiculous. Flight 93 was staged so Bush could say "Let's Roll" in a handful of speeches. WTC 7 was demolished because the paper shredder was out of order.

And these are mainstream beliefs amongst truthers. Although I find it hard to call anything in such a fringe "movement" mainstream; but just to put it in perspective ;).

[Spud1k]

The alleged motives are the ones I usually find to be the most ridiculous. Flight 93 was staged so Bush could say "Let's Roll" in a handful of speeches. WTC 7 was demolished because the paper shredder was out of order.

And these are mainstream beliefs amongst truthers. Although I find it hard to call anything in such a fringe "movement" mainstream; but just to put it in perspective ;).

And the Pentagon flyby was because.... actually, no-one's explained that one to me yet.

[funk de fino]

Flyover without a shadow of a doubt

[JihadJane]

Originally Posted by JihadJane
I like the How-could-we-ever-have-predicted-that-people-would-hijack-planes-on domestic-flights-and-use-them-as-weapons-? conspiracy theory.
Very stupid.

Remind me, how many times did this happen before 9/11?

Have you forgetten?

Things don't have to have happened already to make them predictable.

[UNLoVedRebel]

Have you forgetten?

Things don't have to have happened already to make them predictable.

Go get 'em Colombo.

[8den]

Could it be...that maybe. JUST maybe...that U.S. Army SOCOM is set up a little better for tracking and killing him? I know if I was over there and saw him, I wouldn't be reporting him to the automated tipline of the nearest FBI field activity. I would be calling in grid coordinates for a "special hello" from an AC-130. :D

I don't want to know who else you have on speed dial. :boxedin:

[twinstead]

Have you forgetten?

Things don't have to have happened already to make them predictable.

Yea. The only way 911 could have NOT been an inside job is if it was stopped before it happened. Got it. We'll call this the backseat driver fallacy, unless there's a better name.

[Ragnarok]

http://www.wiolawapress.com/lizard.htm
http://www.wiolawapress.com/wtc.htm

although its not entirely fair, the person is clearly not well

So there's no truth to this then?
Reagan was a child molester who liked to watch animal
sex with Cathy O'Brien

[JihadJane]

Yea. The only way 911 could have NOT been an inside job is if it was stopped before it happened. Got it. We'll call this the backseat driver fallacy, unless there's a better name.

Your analogy only works by assuming the front seat driver is a complete idiot.

Conscientious researcher that you are, however, I'm sure you're aware that the Bush administration lied about there being no possible indication or warning that hijacked planes could be used as weapons from within the "Homeland".

[defaultdotxbe]

Yea. The only way 911 could have NOT been an inside job is if it was stopped before it happened. Got it. We'll call this the backseat driver fallacy, unless there's a better name.
not exactly, remember the transatlantic terror plot? that was stopped and truthers still claimed it was an inside job so the neocons could keep you from bringing a bottle of water onboard the plane unless you buy it from a vendor in the terminal (bush has well established-ties to airport terminal merchants! do your research!)

[JihadJane]

not exactly, remember the transatlantic terror plot? that was stopped and truthers still claimed it was an inside job so the neocons could keep you from bringing a bottle of water onboard the plane unless you buy it from a vendor in the terminal (bush has well established-ties to airport terminal merchants! do your research!)

Are you referring to the transatlantic impossible terror plot?


http://nation.ittefaq.com/issues/2008/09/30/news0868.htm


http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Sources_August_Terror_Plot_Fiction_Underscoring_09 18.html

[JoeyDonuts]

I don't want to know who else you have on speed dial. :boxedin:

1. Voicemail
2. Domino's Pizza
3. The Exchequer of my local NWO sector command post.
4. Aerial artillery bombardment anytime, anywhere.
5. Michael Savage.
6. David Ben-Gurion's former housekeeper.
7. The "Vote for David Cook" American Idol number.
8. 867-5309
9. 611 - That's the emergency containment number that pages the NWO Rapid Action Incident Suppression teams should something really really bad happen.

[JimBenArm]

8. 867-5309



Hey, that's my girlfriend's number!

JENNY!!!!!

[funk de fino]

Are you referring to the transatlantic impossible terror plot?


http://nation.ittefaq.com/issues/2008/09/30/news0868.htm


http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Sources_August_Terror_Plot_Fiction_Underscoring_09 18.html

More articles from the truthy truther?

Oh noes.

While ample evidence of the criminal intent of the convicted plotters seems to have emerged in the trial, less certain was their technical ability to actually carry out the grandiose scheme.

So they may not have been able to carry it but but they still planned it. Or plotted it you might say.

[matt.tansy]

My favorite is that it was a missile that struck the Pentagon. Never mind there was only a fireball from the fuel and no explosion from the warhead. And a huge fireball, like the 10k gal fuel on an airliner, not like the 270 gal on a cruise missile.

[Brainache]

I think one of the stupider and funnier aspects of the Truther experience of the last few years was the whole "Ace Baker/ Judy Wood /Eric Hutchison luuurve triangle. I think it would make a great screwball comedy by that Kaufman bloke ("Malkovich"). I can see:
John Cusack as Ace Baker- Tunesmith and amataeur video fakery researcher, in love with:
Janeane Garofalo as the Dustifying Professor Judy who is flattered by Ace's affections, but in the end gives her heart to:
Tim Robbins as the suave Canadian Thermodynamic Lawbreaker...

A delusional triangle of Trooth, Luuurve and Video Tape.

Hmmm... I'd pay money to see that!

[JamesB]

That reminds me of the "It was a Predator drone disguised to look like a 757" theory. I thought of that theory as I watched a Predator fly over my head on base once. At about 20 feet long, going about 50 MPH, with one propellor mounted on the back, making this buzzing noise like a model airplane, I thought, "Yeah, if you painted a little "AA" on the tail, I see how you could easily mistake that for a 757.

[Hokulele]

I think one of the stupider and funnier aspects of the Truther experience of the last few years was the whole "Ace Baker/ Judy Wood /Eric Hutchison luuurve triangle. I think it would make a great screwball comedy by that Kaufman bloke ("Malkovich"). I can see:
John Cusack as Ace Baker- Tunesmith and amataeur video fakery researcher, in love with:
Janeane Garofalo as the Dustifying Professor Judy who is flattered by Ace's affections, but in the end gives her heart to:
Tim Robbins as the suave Canadian Thermodynamic Lawbreaker...

A delusional triangle of Trooth, Luuurve and Video Tape.

Hmmm... I'd pay money to see that!


I would pay money to never, ever, hear "Judy Would" again. Ever.

[Wildy]

Ah, that's only part. Concrete core, 3" C-4 coated rebar on 4' centers, with an imaginary PBS documentary that details it!

I should have just said "Realistice".

[orphia nay]

One of the dumbest theories has to be Slick Willy's "bombs in the basement". Bombs that go off before the collapse begins, and yet the collapse progresses from the top down, ending in the basement. Oh, yeah, that basement really had to be taken out! It was soooooo crucial to the building's structural integrity! :rolleyes:

[cyclonic]

One of the dumbest theories has to be Slick Willy's "bombs in the basement". Bombs that go off before the collapse begins, and yet the collapse progresses from the top down, ending in the basement. Oh, yeah, that basement really had to be taken out! It was soooooo crucial to the building's structural integrity! :rolleyes:

Just the other day a twoofer claimed :
"tney blew the basement out so that there would be room for the building to topple in to it" as witnessed by willy rodriguez and a "female janitor".

cracked me up.

[cyclonic]

Simon shack and colin alexander (ace baker) are having a dogfight over shacks claim that the wtc collapse videos are all fake! this is an colin alexander video:
simon says
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ynvY2nK5e-I

no planes no brains.

[Wildy]

Just the other day a twoofer claimed :
"tney blew the basement out so that there would be room for the building to topple in to it" as witnessed by willy rodriguez and a "female janitor".

cracked me up.

I mean come on, a female janitor...:D

[parky76]

Whats the truly stupidest 9-11 conspiracy theory?

That debunkers are Mossad/NWO/CIA/MI6/Illuminati/Freemason agents..or shills...or on their payroll.

This is the essense of paranoia. To think that those who disagree with you do so cause they are PAID to do so.

[cyclonic]

Whats the truly stupidest 9-11 conspiracy theory?

That debunkers are Mossad/NWO/CIA/MI6/Illuminati/Freemason agents..or shills...or on their payroll.

This is the essense of paranoia. To think that those who disagree with you do so cause they are PAID to do so.

LOL, i remember a twoofer on youtube who made a video claiming the missing 2.3 trillion dollars from the pentagon was for payment to 90% of the users on youtube who were of course shills.

will there ever be a sitcom about the 911truthers ?

[orphia nay]

LOL, i remember a twoofer on youtube who made a video claiming the missing 2.3 trillion dollars from the pentagon was for payment to 90% of the users on youtube who were of course shills.

will there ever be a sitcom about the 911truthers ?

Hehehe. Or a soap... how about "Daze of Our Lives"?

[AJM8125]

Hehehe. Or a soap... how about "Daze of Our Lives"?

The Young and the Senseless

All My Thermite

[orphia nay]

:D

Twoofer sitcom: Two and a Half Brain Cells.

[WildCat]

The Young and the Senseless
:dl:

[cyclonic]

The Young and the Senseless



If it runs for 20 years they could rename it "the old and the senile"


http://www.fight4truth.com/Get%20Active%20Alex%20Jones%202.jpg

THE BALD AND THE PITIFUL.

[TjW]

How bout it was done by some guy in a cave from afghanistan :p:p

Yeah, that's as silly as a theory that some guy in a cave under Cheyenne Mountain could ever be a threat to anyone.

Everyone knows people who live in caves are too stupid even to be able to buy car insurance.

[parky76]

If it runs for 20 years they could rename it "the old and the senile"


http://www.fight4truth.com/Get%20Active%20Alex%20Jones%202.jpg

THE BALD AND THE PITIFUL.

ain't nuthin wrong with going bald.

;)

[Myron Proudfoot]

Anything promoted by the Webfairy or Spooked911

[Björn Toulouse]

Whats the truly stupidest 9-11 conspiracy theory?

That debunkers are Mossad/NWO/CIA/MI6/Illuminati/Freemason agents..or shills...or on their payroll.

This is the essense of paranoia. To think that those who disagree with you do so cause they are PAID to do so.


So difficult to rank them all, but before I began to read this thread, I had the same thing in mind, that the idea that the JREF website was set up just prior to the 9/11 event to handle the questioners that were sure to come along later is paranoia at one of its utmost degrees.

Never play chess with the NWO. They are too many moves ahead already.

[parky76]

My cat did 9-11.

[JoeyDonuts]

Whats the truly stupidest 9-11 conspiracy theory?

That debunkers are Mossad/NWO/CIA/MI6/Illuminati/Freemason agents..or shills...or on their payroll.

This is the essense of paranoia. To think that those who disagree with you do so cause they are PAID to do so.

You're not getting paid? Did you give Hiram down in NWO-HR your direct deposit info?

[dtugg]

They are paying me 10,000 Ameros a month to lie about seeing a plane fly into the WTC.

[parky76]

The zenith of all stupid 9-11 Conspiracy theories, is that out of George Bush, Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Pearle, Condoleeza Rice,...and Parky76...

....Parky76 should get the most attention.

=)

[SRW]

I was debating a truther who did not believe that a Jet could possibly have crashed into the Pentagon. I had already linked to to countless witness videos, pictures etc. and asked him how all these people could have been fooled. So finally he makes the following statement:

On the morning of September 11, the national news media, the White House and the Pentagon were unable to ascertain that an airliner struck the Pentagon, until this was personally attested to by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.The I told him to re-read this back to himself, and if that was what he really thought.

I did not hear from him for a couple of days. Then he decided that Donald Rumsfeld most likely could not perform a Jeti Mind trick on the entire world and he would read The Looming Tower.

[orphia nay]

Good stuff, SRW. :) It's stories like that that gives one further hope that twoofers are not as stupid as we often think.

[MarkCorrigan]

They are paying me 10,000 Ameros a month to lie about seeing a plane fly into the WTC.

Whoa, you mean we're still sending out Ameros? I thought we scrapped those months ago after the announcement that the rest of NATO was being added to the super-nation?

[dtugg]

Whoa, you mean we're still sending out Ameros? I thought we scrapped those months ago after the announcement that the rest of NATO was being added to the super-nation?

WHAT!?!?!?!?!?! Are all the Ameros I've been receiving worthless? I cannot believe my NWO handler would deceive me like that.

[Stupid]

Well, the most stupid tactics truthers use when promoting their ideas are based in outright hypocrisy....

They claim gov't tactics of censorship, or prevented people from speaking out.........while many truth movement web sites regularly censor people who's opinions don't agree with their own.

The truthers will claim the "media is in on it, and broadcast the gov't fictional version of things"......but then the truthers will proudly use any clip of a reporter saying "they heard secondary explosions" or "the reporter didn't see a plane", as if those are now suddenly 'honest interpretations'.

They claim "there is no evidence of 'blah,blah,blah' " as proof to a gov't lie....., they then claim that their theory is the real truth, but don't require any evidence of said claims.

Which boils down to the all-inclusive hypocritical bubble, that "the gov't wants/needs hoards of followers who won't question the official story"......while the truth movement depends on hoards of followers who will blindly follow unproven 'truther' claims.

=S=

[parky76]

Which boils down to the all-inclusive hypocritical bubble, that "the gov't wants/needs hoards of followers who won't question the official story"......while the truth movement depends on hoards of followers who will blindly follow unproven 'truther' claims.

=S=

Do as we say....not as we do..right?

[Mashuna]

I did not hear from him for a couple of days. Then he decided that Donald Rumsfeld most likely could not perform a [B]Jeti Mind trick on the entire world and he would read The Looming Tower.

Of course not. Only Bigfoot, when trained in the use of the Force, can perform the Jeti Mind trick.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

How about a Truther claim saying that Flight 77 "flew over" the Pentagon? Or that the ATC, NEADS, FAA and NORAD didn't track Flight 77 (a dot) on radar after the transponder was turned off?

Now those got to be the stupidest claims from a Truther that I've ever come across.

There's this charactor on YouTube claiming such a thing, it's name is "WakenBake22".

[eromitlab]

Ah, youtube troofers. I still remember the one I ran into last year who was pushing the typical "Larry said pull" garbage and declared (in ALL CAPS of course) that it doesn't matter what "pull it" actually means in re building demolition, the important thing is that it is a demolition term and "Populist [sic] Mechanics" denied that.

Come to think of it, that's a pretty stupid conspiracy theory. That Larry Silverstein and FDNY conspired to demolish an irrelevant building, they'd use an obscure demolition term that would have to be further defined, Larry would casually admit this a year later on a PBS programme... and only those big-brained world-wise truthists would catch on. Not the investigators, not the insurance companies, no one in authority, no experts... only a bunch of truthists watching youtube videos that go on to claim that it doesn't really matter what "pull it" means.

[parky76]

i met a truther, live-in-person, on Wednesday at a friend's going away party. i wanted to tear his head off after he used the typical truther insult/attack/interrupt/name-call/lie tactics. think they are annoying on the net? try it in person..my friend.

=)

[defaultdotxbe]

i met a truther, live-in-person, on Wednesday at a friend's going away party. i wanted to tear his head off after he used the typical truther insult/attack/interrupt/name-call/lie tactics. think they are annoying on the net? try it in person..my friend.

=)
ive never had the (dis)pleasure of meeting a truther in person, closest ove come was seeing one on the expressway ("9/11 was an inside job" bumper sticker) i pulled up along side him and gave im the stinkeye, he didnt like it

long story short, mustang > civic :)

[realitybites]

Mainstream Conspiracy Theories:
1. No Planes
2. Pentagon Flyover
3. Voice Morphing Phone Calls

Fringe Conspiracy Theories:
1. WTC was nuked.
2. No airbags used to catch WTC victims (not really a theory, but an explanation used to suggest murderous intent by them.)
3. Basically anything Spooked types/draws/makes out of chicken-wire.

[GooseGrl172]

i met a truther, live-in-person, on Wednesday at a friend's going away party. i wanted to tear his head off after he used the typical truther insult/attack/interrupt/name-call/lie tactics. think they are annoying on the net? try it in person..my friend.
=)

I can only imagine...

Here are some:
Mini-thermites/thermates and hush-a-booms (silenced bombs).
Ornithopter MAVS (or UAVS as they call 'em) that are clearly the silhouettes of pigeons and starlings flying about.
On controlled demos, a quote taken from a twoofer: "a grade schooler could figure this was not designed to look exactly like a demolition.Hence the topdown charging.", but then say that it's a classic CD job. Looks just like one!
Oh, and that those poors souls hanging out of the windows were not burning, the fires weren't that hot (when infact they were probably blistering by the time they jumped; I'll be damned if anyone suggests that these people didn't give it their all in an attempt to survive).

[240-185]

2. No airbags used to catch WTC victims (not really a theory, but an explanation used to suggest murderous intent by them.)
Did some people REALLY claim that? O_O

[GooseGrl172]

How about a Truther claim saying that Flight 77 "flew over" the Pentagon? Or that the ATC, NEADS, FAA and NORAD didn't track Flight 77 (a dot) on radar after the transponder was turned off?

Now those got to be the stupidest claims from a Truther that I've ever come across.

There's this charactor on YouTube claiming such a thing, it's name is "WakenBake22".

Yep, this is the one that caused me to lose my patience with twoofers...

[dtugg]

Did some people REALLY claim that? O_O

Yep, I've heard that claim before. I forget exactly who said it.

Twoofers are morons.

[Spud1k]

Can I take this moment to add to the list any conspiracy theory which involves explosions turning previously solid things into empty voids, like they do in Red Faction?

That's a persistent bit of Gage-brand nuttery that never ceases to raise a smile with me.

[PugsOnAPlane]

That quote about Loizeaux saying that he would demolish the towers using explosives in the basement? It comes from an article by Christopher Bollyn at the American Free Press that's not on their site anymore. I don't think Bollyn made it up out of whole cloth, but since he took Ben Chertoff's mother out of context about possibly being related to the Homeland Security chief, it's quite likely that he asked Loizeaux how he would have demolished the towers if they had not collapsed, and his company was brought in. That's speculation on my part, though.

[Gaspode]

Discussion of burning jet fuel in the WTC towers split to new thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=129637)

[realitybites]

Did some people REALLY claim that? O_O

Yeah. Spooked posited it a while back. Same guy that brought us the chicken-wire experiment and the "what should've happened in Shanksville" doodle on some notebook paper.

I wish I could say he's my go-to guy for crazy, but... there's just so many in that race, and I don't feel it would be right to call a 729-way tie.

[Mr X]

.... has to be the nonsense put forward by the debunking community's hero, Dr Bazant. You know... his paper where he defies logic, commonsense, Newton's laws and the obvious video evidence. A case of 'flying in the face of facts with pig-faced arrogance'.........

but hey!.. it keeps you lot happy, and that's what really matters.

[Dave Rogers]

.... has to be the nonsense put forward by the debunking community's hero, Dr Bazant. You know... his paper where he defies logic, commonsense, Newton's laws and the obvious video evidence.

And yet, strangely, when pressed, nobody seems able to point out where he does all these things. Suggesting, in turn, that another of the stupidest 9/11 conspiracy theories is the one that suggests that the entire structural engineering community worldwide is engaged in a conspiracy of silence to cover up the fact that Bazant has so transgressed against the laws of scientific analysis, because it's obvious that a structural engineer in, say, Iran or North Korea might lose his job for criticising the US Government.

Dave

[Mr X]

And yet, strangely, when pressed, nobody seems able to point out where he does all these things. Suggesting, in turn, that another of the stupidest 9/11 conspiracy theories is the one that suggests that the entire structural engineering community worldwide is engaged in a conspiracy of silence to cover up the fact that Bazant has so transgressed against the laws of scientific analysis, because it's obvious that a structural engineer in, say, Iran or North Korea might lose his job for criticising the US Government.

Dave


re. 'when pressed'.......
You mean you are 100% incapable of typing Bazant into google, and the thought that you could do this never occured to you. Instead you thought you'd hang around JREF forums waiting for the experts to turn up so you could 'press them'........

Maybe deep deep down inside, you (and the others here) don't really want to know about Bazant's faililng..... that way you don't have to confront the 'unthinkable'.

[Grizzly Bear]

re. 'when pressed'.......
You mean you are 100% incapable of typing Bazant into google, and the thought that you could do this never occured to you.
You got me sir... now what pages should I look at? You know, "where he defies logic, commonsense, Newton's laws and the obvious video evidence. A case of 'flying in the face of facts with pig-faced arrogance'........."

This is your opportunity to teach me... lead the way...

In either event to make a haphazard attempt to remain within the boundaries of the OP... Anyone comparing a concrete core building to the towers, or assuming without prior consultation of the building specs that the towers themselves had a concrete core are generally not well... It doesn't really fit into its own separate conspiracy but, many truthers who submit their examples base their choices off of misunderstanding or a complete lack there of of the numerous factors that have to be considered to make a valid comparison to the towers, and thus far... the only appled to appled comparison to either tower was the towers themselves. The South Tower collapse was more than enough to warn of the consequences of similar damage to the north tower.

[Dave Rogers]

re. 'when pressed'.......
You mean you are 100% incapable of typing Bazant into google, and the thought that you could do this never occured to you. Instead you thought you'd hang around JREF forums waiting for the experts to turn up so you could 'press them'........

What a strange, delusional world you seem to live in. I've read Bazant's papers, but the bits where he "defies logic, commonsense, Newton's laws and the obvious video evidence" seem to have been left out of the versions I read. Perhaps you could be more specific.

Dave

[A W Smith]

re. 'when pressed'.......
You mean you are 100% incapable of typing Bazant into google, and the thought that you could do this never occured to you. Instead you thought you'd hang around JREF forums waiting for the experts to turn up so you could 'press them'........

Maybe deep deep down inside, you (and the others here) don't really want to know about Bazant's faililng..... that way you don't have to confront the 'unthinkable'.
State your case or concede that you specifically cannot debunk Bazant.

[Mr X]

Was wondering when the cavalry was going to arrive...... you lot are as predictable as a comic book.

Anyway,

Hey Grizzly Bear re "This is your opportunity to teach me... lead the way..."
Sorry, not my responsibility. Anyway, you're jumping the gun... you need to concentrate on spelling at the moment.

D Roger & A W Smith..... Maybe you both think that only you two understand mechanics. So you both read Bazant's claptrap, and saw no issues what so ever......... well good for you two..... I couldn't care less. :D

[AJM8125]

Was wondering when the cavalry was going to arrive...... you lot are as predictable as a comic book.

Anyway,

Hey Grizzly Bear re "This is your opportunity to teach me... lead the way..."
Sorry, not my responsibility. Anyway, you're jumping the gun... you need to concentrate on spelling at the moment.

D Roger & A W Smith..... Maybe you both think that only you two understand mechanics. So you both read Bazant's claptrap, and saw no issues what so ever......... well good for you two..... I couldn't care less. :D

So you're a troll. Shocker.

[A W Smith]

D Roger & A W Smith..... Maybe you both think that only you two understand mechanics. So you both read Bazant's claptrap, and saw no issues what so ever......... well good for you two..... I couldn't care less. :D

Your concession is accepted. You cannot debunk Bazant.

[Grizzly Bear]

Anyway,

Hey Grizzly Bear re "This is your opportunity to teach me... lead the way..."
Sorry, not my responsibility.
You made the claim, burden of proof is yours... I only offered to hear you out, it's a shame you didn't simply direct me to the specific content you had problems with. I would have gladly reread the content...


Anyway, you're jumping the gun... you need to concentrate on spelling at the moment.

And you need to work on your burden proof. If you have time to point out my imperfections then you surely must have time for more productive action. Of course that your failure to live up to your burden of proof damages your credibility even further, is not my concern. You must be extremely bored to make moves toward insignificant errors...

[Mr X]

Your concession is accepted. You cannot debunk Bazant.


Funny.... I didn't even know I was taking part in any challenge.

Is this some kind of secret debunking tactic...

[A W Smith]

Funny.... I didn't even know I was taking part in any challenge.

Is this some kind of secret debunking tactic...

When you typed this

The biggest load of claptrap of all time

you stepped into the challenge. Floors all yours paul. Lets hear it.

[Mr X]

You made the claim, burden of proof is yours... I only offered to hear you out, it's a shame you didn't simply direct me to the specific content you had problems with. I would have gladly reread the content...




And you need to work on your burden proof. If you have time to point out my imperfections then you surely must have time for more productive action. Of course that your failure to live up to your burden of proof damages your credibility even further, is not my concern. You must be extremely bored to make moves toward insignificant errors...


Thanks, but I'm perfectly capable of declaring my own burdens, and educating you isn't one of them.

Noting your spelling errors didn't take a lot of time or energy. In any case, sloppy spelling = slopply thinking, and there's no place in mechanics for sloppy thinking.

[Mr X]

When you typed this



you stepped into the challenge. Floors all yours paul. Lets hear it.


...oh really huh!

I refer you to the reply I gave you in #129



ps my name is not Paul. :D

[Grizzly Bear]

Thanks, but I'm perfectly capable of declaring my own burdens, and educating you isn't one of them.
You don't need to educate me... simply point to the content which you are having problems with. Is it really that difficult for you to give me a few page numbers? Have you read Bazant's paper yourself?


In any case, sloppy spelling = slopply thinking, and there's no place in mechanics for sloppy thinking.
I might agree if my errors weren't confined to merely two words... But your post is nothing more than a slippery slope. I understand you get a kick out of trolling but really, is that something I should expect from someone who tries to covey himself as a critical thinker? ;)

The floor is still yours, put up or shut up :)

[A W Smith]

...oh really huh!

I refer you to the reply I gave you in #129



ps my name is not Paul. :D

Post #129 was a non reply. Again. State your specific problems with the Bazant paper or concede.

edit to add

and it took you twenty one minutes to come up with that non answer? are you that slow a typist or are you busy correcting your spelling errors? You certainly are posting in the correct thread. "what is the stupidest"

[TexasJack]

Thanks, but I'm perfectly capable of declaring my own burdens, and educating you isn't one of them.

Noting your spelling errors didn't take a lot of time or energy. In any case, sloppy spelling = slopply thinking, and there's no place in mechanics for sloppy thinking.

So when you misspell words like "responding" and "doubt" what does that make you?
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4144069#post4144069

[Mr X]

So when you misspell words like "responding" and "doubt" what does that make you?
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4144069#post4144069


Long-sighted.............:jaw-dropp

[moon1969]

"done by some guy in a cave" says the twoofers. In case you don"t know many of the hijackers had a college degree so I"m sure many of them were alot smarter then racist twoofers who call them cavemen. Osama Bin Laden has a college degree in civil engineering in 1979 so his not a caveman. Probaly alot smarter the Dylan Avery or Alex Jones or David Icke.

[TexasJack]

Long-sighted.............:jaw-dropp

So are you a sloppy thinker? Will you admit to that? You wouldn't want to be a hypocrite, would you?

[A W Smith]

"done by some guy in a cave" says the twoofers. In case you don"t know many of the hijackers had a college degree so I"m sure many of them were alot smarter then racist twoofers who call them cavemen. Osama Bin Laden has a college degree in civil engineering in 1979 so his not a caveman. Probaly alot smarter the Dylan Avery or Alex Jones or David Icke.

Well i know for a fact Osama Bin Laden never bussed tables at a Friendly's in Oneonta. And Dylan Avery never ousted the Russian army from Afghanistan

[Mr X]

So are you a sloppy thinker? Will you admit to that? You wouldn't want to be a hypocrite, would you?


No..... no.... and no.

You debunkers really are relentless...... that must be secret tactic no.2.

[TexasJack]

No..... no.... and no.

You debunkers really are relentless...... that must be secret tactic no.2.

Oh, I see, it's OK for you to misspell words, but nobody else. :rolleyes:
Do you have any other double standards you want to introduce to us?

[Mr X]

You don't need to educate me... simply point to the content which you are having problems with. Is it really that difficult for you to give me a few page numbers? Have you read Bazant's paper yourself?



I might agree if my errors weren't confined to merely two words... But your post is nothing more than a slippery slope. I understand you get a kick out of trolling but really, is that something I should expect from someone who tries to covey himself as a critical thinker? ;)

The floor is still yours, put up or shut up :)


Ok, here goes....

My problem with Bazant's papaer is that it wasn't written on soft tissue toilet paper. :D



ps Check your post count before you call someone a troll.

[TexasJack]

Ok, here goes....

My problem with Bazant's papaer is that it wasn't written on soft tissue toilet paper. :D



ps Check your post count before you call someone a troll.

You misspelled paper, you're not very good at this, are you?

[A W Smith]

Ok, here goes....

My problem with Bazant's papaer is that it wasn't written on soft tissue toilet paper. :D

oops, someones getting sloppy, remember you said sloppy spelling = slopply thinking does that no longer apply? hypocrite.




ps Check your post count before you call someone a troll.

post count does not a troll make.

[AJM8125]

post count does not a troll make.

Hey, I called him a troll too and my post count is relatively low. What does that make him now? Oh yeah; wrong again.

[jhunter1163]

My post count is 3,625 and yes, you are a troll.

[Bananaman]

Is it just me or has Mr X failed to type anything worth reading? Has he actually got a genuine quibble with Bazant that can be addressed, or is he just another prat spouting 'questions' that never actually have any substance?

I think he's another teenager. I may be wrong, but if I am it's just rather sad.

The thing is, after you read a lot of someone's posts you get to know their voice. Mr X's voice isn't that of a rational adult. It's that of a petulant teenager with 'issues'.

Bananaman.

[Dave Rogers]

Is it just me or has Mr X failed to type anything worth reading?

No, it's not just you. He's playing the classic truther game, attempting mudslinging when he hasn't got any mud.

D Roger & A W Smith..... Maybe you both think that only you two understand mechanics.

No, there are many people in the world who understand mechanics, and not one of us has pointed out where Bazant commits the errors you claim without proof that he commits. Would you like to try to be the first?

Dave

[Myron Proudfoot]

Yep, I've heard that claim before. I forget exactly who said it.


That was one of Spooked911's.. I'm not sure if he is mentally ill, stupid, or some combination...

[dtugg]

That was one of Spooked911's..

Of course. What a moron. It's hard to imagine that the guy is for real but I guess he is.

[parky76]

Im still trying to figure out why they are still talking about me over at LC. No topics about the terror attacks in Mumbai. But two more posts about me today. Can you say weird priorities or what?

Calvin says "hi", by the way.

[Stupid]

Nut-job Laura Knight Jadczyk has written several books and has a small following.
Her husband is a theoretical physicist (http://arkadiusz-jadczyk.org/jadczyk_cv.html), and both are truthers.

Her (their?) group is called "the Cassiopaeans".
She claims to be able to "channel", or communicate with aliens from the constellation Cassiopeia....through a Ouija board.
They also claim that many of us including the government are under mind-control, and that there will be an alien invasion......

Space beam = tower collapse

And the same is true of the 9/11 Truth Movement.

One thing is clear: the UFOs themselves are not under the control of the military - or anybody else. But that the Consortium continues to debunk and cover it up - in the face of its violations of their own airspace - suggests to us again the analogy of arrogant and powerful Masters of Reality, aided and abetted by their military and intelligence organization servants who, all the while they are obeying the powerful overlords, which very well may include the 9/11 Attacks and war with Iraq, Iran, and God knows who else, seek to keep everything quiet while they try desperately to discover the secrets of power so as to arrogate it to themselves. And it seems evident that, in the present time, the game is afoot in the citadels of Power and Secrets.

We don't know - and cannot know at present - whether some super secret beam weapon was used to take down the Twin Towers on 9/11; but it is possible. And frankly, it is the one explanation that seems to cover all the anomalies. Bottom line is: Something is happening, there is a schedule, and the servants of the alien masters are pushing an agenda that few of us understand. They are trying to cement controls, to solidify their power base, because Something Wicked This Way Comes.
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/139903-Ultra-terrestrials-and-9-11


=S=

[Spud1k]

We don't know - and cannot know at present - whether some super secret beam weapon was used to take down the Twin Towers on 9/11; but it is possible. And frankly, it is the one explanation that seems to cover all the anomalies.

:D:D:D:D

Thanks. Best laugh I've had in ages.

What can you say to that? I mean, seriously?


Bottom line is: Something is happening, there is a schedule, and the servants of the alien masters are pushing an agenda that few of us understand. They are trying to cement controls, to solidify their power base, because Something Wicked This Way Comes.

I, for one, welcome our new 'Something Wicked' masters...








I'll get my coat.

[Stupid]

I'll get my coat.

Don't forget you're tinfoil hat, magical shawl, and Ouija board.
Maybe you can strike a deal with those reptilian invaders to spare you from becoming ingested by alien mastication.

Here's some transcripts Laura had with the "other beings"...:boxedin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgPmCTCKTAk

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