Delmart Vreeland Sentenced to 336 Years for Child Pornography

[boloboffin]

I don't know if anyone here remembers Delmart Vreeland. This guy got arrested in Canada right before 9/11. He makes up a crazy story about the Russian Mafia and terrorists attacks on several cities, and he even composes a little list of major buildings in the U.S. and Canada.

Well, then 9/11 happened, and Vreeland is a made man. I can't tell you how many times this animal got defended over at DU. He's basically one of the luckiest cold readers in the world. The HOURS so many CTers spent poring over his revelations and connecting the dots! You just wouldn't believe unless you're us and have seen it.

Turns out he got off on bail (can't remember what the charges were then) and then skipped town, IIRC. Then he got arrested again in 2004. That I didn't know about. Sure enough, he came up with vital information about a nuclear bomb in the Twin Cities! Somehow or another, he got loose again and of course the Twin Cities are still there.

But now he's down for the count. 336 years Mr. Vreeland got for producing child pornography (http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7716585&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1).

A Douglas County man has been sentenced to 336 years to life in prison after he was convicted of luring two boys into performing sex acts and making child pornography by giving them drugs and money and promising them a drum set.

Forty-two-year-old Delmart Vreeland was convicted in 2006 of 13 felony charges, including inducement of child prostitution, sexual assault, sexual exploitation of children and distribution of cocaine. Earlier this year, he was convicted of six habitual criminal counts.

Investigators say Vreeland has more than 40 aliases and an extensive criminal history. They say he made false claims of being a U.S. spy and covert operative and having information on murders and terrorist plots.

I'm almost ill over here. I knew this guy was a idiotic jerk for taking advantage of people who contributed to his legal funds, all because of the 9/11 "prediction." But knowing now what he was capable of, and having been a victim of sexual child abuse myself -- well, let us just say that there is no satisfaction in having been right about this scum at all.

I put this in the main conspiracy forum because Vreeland branched out over the years. Gullible people who grasped at Vreeland to confirm their silly biases helped to get this guy out of jail. Let it serve as one more terrible example of why conspiracy theories and false logic must be stamped out of the human experience as best we can.

[Brainster]

Good catch, Bolo! Vreeland is one of the kooks that Sander Hicks highlighted in The Big Wedding. What a sleazeball!

[Tin Foil Timothy]

This Vreeland sounds like a vile individual. But sentencing someone to 336 years is stoopid. what they gonna do? Let him out after 200 years on parole for good behavior?

[1337m4n]

336 years?

Huh. I didn't think humans lived that long.

[PhantomWolf]

This Vreeland sounds like a vile individual. But sentencing someone to 336 years is stoopid. what they gonna do? Let him out after 200 years on parole for good behavior?

He's lucky he didn't get a couple of life sentances too. Of course he might get even luckier and get 2/3 off for good behaviour, then he'd be out when he was 154. :D

[JoeyDonuts]

Sentencing someone to more time than a Human (other than a Breatharian) can be expected to live is making a statement about the repugnancy of the crime.

In my opinion it's not enough. I'm thinking an extended Judas Chair session, followed by a slow lowering into a woodchipper up to the knees, and then publicly drawn and quartered. Of course, this would not be necessary, since phase one of the punishment would be to lock the convicted pedo in a room with the fathers of the boys along with various farming implements.

[1337m4n]

Maybe he's an elf.

[JoeyDonuts]

Maybe he's an elf.

In which case, keelhaul him to the Undying Lands and back for all eternity.

[timhau]

336 years?

No, it's 336 to life.

Serves that pansy elf right.

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Let it serve as one more terrible example of why conspiracy theories and false logic must be stamped out of the human experience as best we can.

There's no proportional link between conspiracy theories and pedophiles, although seeing as some people make a silly link between CT and paranoid schizophrenia I'm surprised no one has tried yet.

But that aside, how may I ask, would you go about stamping out conspiracy theories?

Various regimes have implemented systems of Stasis and Gulags in order to squash those who question the official line. Something along those lines perhaps?

[LibraryLady]

It's a way of ensuring that he doesn't get paroled. The sentences are consecutive, so if he gets paroled on one, he still has to serve the rest. They do this all the time.

[Dr Adequate]

There's no proportional link between conspiracy theories and pedophiles, although seeing as some people make a silly link between CT and paranoid schizophrenia I'm surprised no one has tried yet.

But that aside, how may I ask, would you go about stamping out conspiracy theories?

Various regimes have implemented systems of Stasis and Gulags in order to squash those who question the official line. Something along those lines perhaps? You write stuff like that ... and you think it's "silly" to make a link between CTs and paranoia?

[Tin Foil Timothy]

You write stuff like that ... and you think it's "silly" to make a link between CTs and paranoia?

Of course it's silly. Writing people off who question the "official line" as having mental problems is the stuff of nefarious regimes.

[boloboffin]

Of course it's silly. Writing people off who question the "official line" as having mental problems is the stuff of nefarious regimes.

If that is what I had done, you might have a point. But I didn't.

[Tin Foil Timothy]

If that is what I had done, you might have a point. But I didn't.

I don't believe anyone claimed you did.

[Homeland Insurgency]

Is this from wiki true?

Among the targets detailed in the letter were the Sears Tower, the World Trade Center the White House and The Pentagon followed by the phrase "Let one happen. Stop the rest!!!" The U.S. government claims that Vreeland was a criminal and had been discharged from the Navy in 1986 after a few months of substandard performance, but when forced to submit his performance records in Vreeland's subsequent extradition hearings, they provided a 1,200 page document, heavily altered and redacted, with dates of his Navy physical testing as recent as 1998.

During the trial, Vreeland also called the Pentagon switchboard from the stand which confirmed his rank of Lieutenant, confirmed his office number, and put him in contact with his own voice-mail, despite his ostensible lack of employ in the United States Defense Forces.

[boloboffin]

I believe Vreeland's note actually had the spelling World Trade Centre, making his psychic powers insider information possibly refer to a building in Canada as well.

[PhantomWolf]

Heck, I'd bet that if you got 10 people to write a list of 20 possible terrorist targets in the US, you'd probably have at least 10 that appeared on 9/10 lists.

[Brainster]

A good summary/debunking of Vreeland (including a link to the notebook page where he supposedly predicts 9-11) is here (http://www3.sympatico.ca/ron666/vreeland.html).

[JoeyDonuts]

Is this from wiki true?

Among the targets detailed in the letter were the Sears Tower, the World Trade Center the White House and The Pentagon followed by the phrase "Let one happen. Stop the rest!!!" The U.S. government claims that Vreeland was a criminal and had been discharged from the Navy in 1986 after a few months of substandard performance, but when forced to submit his performance records in Vreeland's subsequent extradition hearings, they provided a 1,200 page document, heavily altered and redacted, with dates of his Navy physical testing as recent as 1998.

During the trial, Vreeland also called the Pentagon switchboard from the stand which confirmed his rank of Lieutenant, confirmed his office number, and put him in contact with his own voice-mail, despite his ostensible lack of employ in the United States Defense Forces.

I might be able to make a call or two. Give me a week or so and I should be able to find out whether or not he was in the USN.

[JoeyDonuts]

This is from just a quick google.

http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm449659.html

[JoeyDonuts]

Here's another:

http://www3.sympatico.ca/ron666/decision03.html

This appears to be a court transcript of the extradition hearing.

Apparently some sort of demonstration occurred where he called the Pentagon switchboard and had the operator confirm that there was a listing for a Lt. D. Vreeland. However, there was an email sent to Pentagon officials advising them that a Lt. D. Vreeland would be using an office for a time and to add him to the directory. I don't think it was ever established that Vreeland actually sent the email, as he was in jail at the time...but here's my two cents.

I've seen a lot of "stolen valor" types. Hell, we had some overweight nut job show up 10 years ago at the I-40 bridge collapse in Oklahoma claiming to be U.S. Army Special Forces trying to coordinate the rescue efforts.Check it out. (http://newsok.com/bmissourian-charged-with-impersonation-at-bridge-collapseb/article/874766)

The one thing these folks seem to have in common is they are almost without fail, sociopathic. They have so much of their self-esteem caught up in these false fantasies of secret cloak-and-dagger stuff, that they get other people to buy into it as well. It's likely that he got a friend or family member to send the e-mail on his behalf.

But anyway...off the cuff as someone with some actual experience with the good folks at ONI here's two big ol' holes in his crap:

1. ONI does not deal in foreign intelligence HUMINT collection. They don't send clandestine operatives overseas to steal secrets. I think most people would find what they actually do pretty g-d boring.

2. Even if that WERE the case, there's no way that Vreeland would have been a field op. Reason - The tattoos. What the heck kind of field operative is covered in easily identifiable marks all over his body?!?

BONUS!!!

Someone with the criminal record Vreeland has would not have had a TS or any sort of clearance. If you have too many speeding tickets, you'll get talked to. He would have been made to hit the bricks most ricky-tick.

[TjW]

It's a way of ensuring that he doesn't get paroled. The sentences are consecutive, so if he gets paroled on one, he still has to serve the rest. They do this all the time.

Yes. But unless he spends all his time in solitary confinement, it's my understanding that child abusers have a reduced life expectancy in prison.
I suspect whether he gets parole will be the least of his worries.

[plumjam]

This thread is a complete fabrication. Delmart Vreeland is actually a Dutch cut-price shopping centre.

[Whiplash]

336 years?

Huh. I didn't think humans lived that long.

This reminds me of the Monty Python episode with the Piranha Brothers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZkWL-XvO0U) (Doug and Dinsdale), and the announcer saying about how they had been sentenced to 400 years imprisonment for crimes of violence, etc, which got a good laugh from the crowd.

It's not as funny anymore in todays world, were people actually get sentences like that!