Top moments of truther mental instability

[Caper]

Someone asked my today if I can prove that alot of the truth movement is made up of people... you know, who are mentally unwell. I'm trying to come up with a top moments of instability list. Jim Fetzer when he goes noplaner, i think would be a good example (illustrating what we already knew). There was that British guy that claimed he was the messiah. I figure you guys could come up with a good long list. Any help with some links would be appriciated.

[dudalb]

God, it is hard to choose, there are so many.
I would have to put the wheelchair incident in New York and the Twoofers reaction to it takes the cake, off the top of my head.

[Brainache]

Judy Wood's interview with that DC Truther bloke.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-558096240694803017

[AJM8125]

Richard Gage's cardboard box presentation, which can be found on the sticky threads under the gravysites link. Lunacy at its finest. If this isn't the best example of truther insanity it's certainly in the top ten.

ETA: While you're on Gravy's page, read the hate mail he's recieved from truthers for more of their madness.

[GodisEnergy]

im not sure what is exactly wrong with the cardboard box experiment ? does it not show conservation of momentum in a simple way that most people can understand ?

[AJM8125]

im not sure what is exactly wrong with the cardboard box experiment ? does it not show conservation of momentum in a simple way that most people can understand ?

Can somebody facepalm that for me? I'm on my mobile, no pics or links. Thanks.

[~enigma~]

im not sure what is exactly wrong with the cardboard box experiment ? does it not show conservation of momentum in a simple way that most people can understand ?
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_13257491df314a7540.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=14282)

[Quad4_72]

im not sure what is exactly wrong with the cardboard box experiment ? does it not show conservation of momentum in a simple way that most people can understand ?

Don't try and derail the thread. If you would like to speak about the box insanity, start a thread of your own, unless....

you just made that post as an example of twoofer mental instability. In which case, thank you for the contribution.

[Bobert]

Kevin Barrett

[defaultdotxbe]

anytime ace baker has opened his mouth

[dudalb]

im not sure what is exactly wrong with the cardboard box experiment ? does it not show conservation of momentum in a simple way that most people can understand ?

Thanks for a wonderful example of what this thread is about.

[T.A.M.]

1. Jackchit and his thread to come kill Gravy
2. Fetzer and his top 10 list, stating he would beat up the hijackers with his luggage.
3. Judy Wood and her Keebler elf bit, or her star wars beams bit.
4. Alex Jones...well just about anything by him.
5. Richard Gage and his carboard box Twin towers.
6. That British guy thinking he was the messiah.

I am sure there are lots more.

TAM:)

[jaydeehess]

While he was never a major player, I recall reading a transcipt of a civil suit brought by ChristopherA in which his mental instability was very much on display. He was claiming hypnotic mind control, and emotional manipulation by the defendants.

[mrbaracuda]

5. Richard Gage and his carboard box Twin towers.

He took that on tour, did you know? :p Troy made a video. He attended the presentation with a tinfoil hat and a t-shirt that had "9/11 was an inside jobby job" written with marker on it! :D
:( I was going to embed the video, but it was.. PULLED! :eek:

[jaydeehess]

I was thinking again about this thread and it strikes me that there are two no-planer theories and that both illustrate a mental defect.
- the plane was a holographic image
-there were no eyewitnesses to aircraft impacts only TV and video images

The hologram theory is not often used now, it is too outlandish for even most troofers. It requires a belief in a hidden technology that even they cannot embrace. It is a major tin-foil-hat indicator, not that far removed from they-are-reading-my-thoughts paranoia.
The second idea requires that the CTist believe that not one person in visual range of the towers, who was looking at them just before the second impact who learns that they were in a prime location to have seen the aircraft has not spoken up.about there not being a plane. It requires that the conspirators have managed to convince 100% of the persons in lower Manhattan that day that there was not one, but two planes that no one saw.
Same goes for the Pentagon 'flyover'. Although there is not a single flyover witness, and despite all witnesses who saw impact descibeing it as hitting the ground or second floor, as opposed to a top floor, there are people who absolutly believe that 100% of the persons in the area were fooled or were conspiratorial agents.

[Oliver]

Someone asked my today if I can prove that alot of the truth movement is made up of people... you know, who are mentally unwell. I'm trying to come up with a top moments of instability list. Jim Fetzer when he goes noplaner, i think would be a good example (illustrating what we already knew). There was that British guy that claimed he was the messiah. I figure you guys could come up with a good long list. Any help with some links would be appriciated.


The LooseChangeForum Meltdown (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=66146) was such a moment when the
paranoia got out of control over an intern conspiracy that wasn't
there in the first place. Boy, that was some funny **** - everyone
accusing each other, Truthers including Admins banned or leaving
in masses, people starting own 9/11 fora, LC-forum closed and
finally relaunched.

[beachnut]

im not sure what is exactly wrong with the cardboard box experiment ? does it not show conservation of momentum in a simple way that most people can understand ?

pure dumb; the cardboard box junk science shows; you are trying to be funny

No one can be as stupid as Gage is on 9/11. Except a few other truthers like Jones and Fetzer, and Judy Beam Weapon Woman.

[Brainster]

Michael Cook, a Troofer from Kentucky, was actually locked up (http://freedomisforeverybody.blogspot.com/2007/02/fwd-re-back-to-jail.html) on the flight deck for around a year:

I had a Kentucky permit to carry a concealed weapon and was doing so. The reasons for this precaution were very valid and extend beyond my involvement in the 9/11 Truth Movement. I had been giving my aide, and sometimes her daughter, a ride home after school and I knew that to discontinue this would be a considerable inconvenience for her. I was very willing to continue giving her a ride, but I felt apprehensive that she was not aware of the circumstance she was in while riding with me so I tried to inform her somewhat and showed her my pistol to emphasize that I was serious about this, that this was reality.

You can see the fly heading rapidly for the ointment there. Cook ended up with a diagnosis:

At the hospital, Dr. Petit saw me for 30 seconds or less and diagnosed me as Paranoid Schizophrenic. About all I got to say was, "9/11 was an inside job."

Later, Cook made a simple mistake that anybody could make:

I made a mistake, a poor choice of words, in an email on 5/18. What I should have said was something like, "Eventually, President Bush will be charged with Treason, be found guilty by a jury of his peers, and be shot by a firing squad." What I did say was, "Eventually, he will be shot for treason."

Here's a good clip of Uncle Fetzer demonstrating that he's non-compos:

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David Shayler on how he's a reincarnation of Jesus Christ, Leonardo Da Vinci and King Arthur:

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[cyclonic]

"WHO YOU GOING TO BELIEVE, ME OR YOUR LYING EYES? - James Fetzer

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[boloboffin]

The recent story of Delmart Vreeland's conviction on child porn charges. He was a minor figure, granted, but he did nab quite a few people in his con game back in the day.

[Tin Foil Timothy]

pure dumb; the cardboard box junk science shows; you are trying to be funny

No one can be as stupid as Gage is on 9/11. Except a few other truthers like Jones and Fetzer, and Judy Beam Weapon Woman.

I disagree. He's made some good points on 911. His points on the WTC7 building collapse haven't yet been debunked.

[dtugg]

I disagree. He's made some good points on 911. His points on the WTC7 building collapse haven't yet been debunked.

Yes they have. NIST has released an extensive report about it. Richard Gage is just and architect who has never designed anything bigger than a high school gymnasium. The NIST report was done by hundreds of people that are actually experts in the field.

Of course, then you have firefighters like Daniel Nigro who say that it was going to come down on its own and took appropriate measures. Has Richard "Cardboard Box" Gage ever addressed that?

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Yes they have. NIST has released an extensive report about it. Richard Gage is just and architect who has never designed anything bigger than a high school gymnasium. The NIST report was done by hundreds of people that are actually experts in the field.


The NIST people had to make their report fit the official line.

No one has explained how all outer columns of WTC7 all failed at the same time. Which was necessary in order tor to collapse in the way it did. but feel free to link us to the section in the NIST Report that does so.

You don't need any qualifications to understand that symmetrical collapse means symmetrical failure. The WTC7 building had extensive damage on its south side and the fires in it burned unevenly. There's no way it could have collapsed in the manner it did following the type of damage and fire it sustained.

Anyone is welcome to prove otherwise though.

[johnny karate]

You don't need any qualifications to understand that symmetrical collapse means symmetrical failure.

WTC7 did not collapse symmetrically.

[dtugg]

The NIST people had to make their report fit the official line.

No one has explained how all outer columns of WTC7 all failed at the same time. Which was necessary in order tor to collapse in the way it did. but feel free to link us to the section in the NIST Report that does so.

You don't need any qualifications to understand that symmetrical collapse means symmetrical failure. The WTC7 building had extensive damage on ti's south side and the firs in it burned unevenly. There's no way it could have collapsed in the manner it did following the type of damage and fire it sustained.

Anyone is welcome to prove otherwise though.

So basically your entire argument is one of personal incredulity and ignorance? This isn't the right thread to argue this on and I apologize for contributing to the derailing of it. Please start another thread or dump one of the many if you want to continue this. I do like how you ignored the part about the FDNY predicting it would collapse on its own.

[Tin Foil Timothy]

WTC7 did not collapse symmetrically.

OK then, bad semantics, but ... it collapsed straight downwards.

The "WTC7 collapse with debris impact damage - Physics based model" video here ..

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/wtc_videos/wtc_videos.html

... doesn't even match the real footage of it collapsing. In the real footage both corners of the right hand side collapse at the same speed. In the physics based model they do not.

[Tin Foil Timothy]

So basically your entire argument is one of personal incredulity and ignorance? This isn't the right thread to argue this on and I apologize for contributing to the derailing of it. Please start another thread or dump one of the many if you want to continue this. I do like how you ignored the part about the FDNY predicting it would collapse on its own.

Yes we shouldn't take the thread off topic. But there's no incredulity and ignorance with my argument. It's pure common sense. Any way watch the video of the real versus physics model on the NIST page I linked to above. They don't even match.

[johnny karate]

OK then, bad semantics, but ... it collapsed straight downwards.

In which way should it have collapsed?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

OK then, bad semantics, but ... it collapsed straight downwards.


Huh? Should it have collapsed sideways? You seem to have replaced "bad semantics" with outright junk.

Anyway, your "straight downwards" claim is inaccurate, as you can plainly see in this video of WTC7's collapse (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v16415017FADebtjf).

... doesn't even match the real footage of it collapsing. In the real footage both corners of the right hand side collapse at the same speed. In the physics based model they do not.


How accurate do you expect those models to be, and what knowledge and/or experience do you base that expectation on?

[Bosozoku]

The NIST people had to make their report fit the official line.


Fitting that somebody dropped this gem in a thread about truther mental instability.

It just goes to show why, in their minds, these theories will never be disproven. The only agencies with enough money and backing to investigate 9-11 are government agencies; truthers will dismiss any report from a government agency as an attempt to "fit the official line."

Anyway, to address the question in the OP, I'll give my vote to the campaign to push "The Shell Game" to the top of Amazon's top 100 books. It was one of the Truth Movement's many instances of mass insanity. Some people flushed hundreds of dollars down the toilet to promote a book that, if successful, was still only a work of fiction.

Proving what, exactly? That a massive government conspiracy can exist in a fictional world? Nice work, guys. Hope you put those books to good use. If anyone has an extra copies, I have a an uneven table I really need to balance out.

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Huh? Should it have collapsed sideways?

Very funny :rolleyes: You know what I mean by straight downwards



You seem to have replaced "bad semantics" with outright junk.

Anyway, your "straight downwards" claim is inaccurate, as you can plainly see in this video of WTC7's collapse (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v16415017FADebtjf).

Oh whoopie it starts to tilt near the end of the collapse. Most of the collapse is dead straight downwards. which means the failures must have happened at the same time.




How accurate do you expect those models to be, and what knowledge and/or experience do you base that expectation on?

Well it should follow the real world footage at least. That's the evidence they were modelling it on.

You people are as bad as twoofers. You mock twoofers having a preconceived outcome and then ignoring any evidence that doesn't fit.

And yet you exhibit the same psychological denial as twoofers do.

And to get back on topic if twoofers have any mental instability then dewunkers suffer the same. They show the same symptoms.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Very funny :rolleyes: You know what I mean by straight downwards


I do. I just can't understand why a building falling in the direction that gravity pulls it seems suspicious to you...

Oh whoopie it starts to tilt near the end of the collapse. Most of the collapse is dead straight downwards.


Please pay even a little bit of attention to that video. Less than halfway through its collapse, the building begins leaning noticeably to the south.

which means the failures must have happened at the same time.


Wrong again, and quite obviously so: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3043640611892377411&ei=EE8eSfvdOIL82wKtvdX8Bg

Pay attention to the mechanical penthouse on the left side of the roof. This is old, old stuff, Tin Foil Timothy. I'm a little surprised at the near-complete ignorance of the subject that you're displaying here.

Well it should follow the real world footage at least. That's the evidence they were modelling it on.


No. They based the model on the described and suspected damage to the building, not the conclusion. That's something truthers do.

And I notice you failed to answer the last half of my question: what knowledge and/or experience do you base that expectation on?

[Tin Foil Timothy]

I do. I just can't understand why a building falling in the direction that gravity pulls it seems suspicious to you...

Oh come on don't patronise me. You know damn well that many things fall over at an agle when there's assymetrical resistence to it's fall.



Please pay even a little bit of attention to that video. Less than halfway through its collapse, the building begins leaning noticeably to the south.

After the initial pre-collapse on the left side and the penthouse section the main building falls straight down until it gets near the end of the collapse. On all the footage viewed from the north the 2 corners of the right hand side of the building fall at the same speed, until near the end, and then it tilts.

In the NIST physical model this is not the case



Wrong again, and quite obviously so: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3043640611892377411&ei=EE8eSfvdOIL82wKtvdX8Bg

Pay attention to the mechanical penthouse on the left side of the roof. This is old, old stuff, Tin Foil Timothy. I'm a little surprised at the near-complete ignorance of the subject that you're displaying here.

I'm not talking about the left side of the building and the Penthouse section. So it's not wrong again. Watch the real collapse on the top left video presentation on the NIST page I Linked to and then watch the Physical Model ( with debris ) on the same page. The right side of the building collapses differently. Both corners collapse at the same time in the real footage.




No. They based the model on the described and suspected damage to the building, not the conclusion. That's something truthers do.

And I notice you failed to answer the last half of my question: what knowledge and/or experience do you base that expectation on?

I did answer your question. If two corners of a structure collapse at the same sped then they must encounter the same force of resistance. This is elementary physics and common sense to anyone with an unbiased mindset and half a brain. Now watch the real versus simulation again. They are different.

I apologies to the mods for keeping this thread OT, but I must answer these denial type responses

[TexasJack]

The NIST people had to make their report fit the official line.


Remind me again why David Scott, Chairman of the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat had to fit the official line when he said this about NIST and truther madness:


I am chairman of the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat. I am a practicing tall building engineer. I have written papers on fire induced progressive collapse. I witnessed the collapse of the towers. I participated in the rescue and then the clean up and all the time I was questioning how and why. I was involved in a review of the new GSA standards for progressive collapse. And I worked with Libeskind on his design for Freedom Tower.

I cannot see why you could assume that this makes me have a conflict of interest. What interests? I just want the truth.

The ae911truth movement is not interested in truth. It presents one side of the argument and ignores all the facts that indicate that they may be wrong.

(2) Where is the data to back up your claim about the "vast majority of tall building professionals"?

"The Council would like to make it clear that it sees no credibility whatsoever in the 911 ‘truth movement’ and we believe, with the vast majority of tall building professionals, that all the failures at the WTC (WTC 1, 2, 5, 6 and 7) were a direct or indirect result of the planes that were flown into the two towers."

As Chairman of the CTBUH I am well connected to most of the leading practitioners of tall building design. The Council represents organizations with well more than 100,000 employees. I do not know anyone or organization in the Council that supports the controlled demolition theory. The ASCE has an engineering membership of 120,000 and they participated in the production of the NIST report. NIST itself employs about 2,900 scientists, engineers, technicians, and support and administrative personnel and hosts about 2,600 associates.

Against this you have the ae911truth movement which has support from approximately 80 licensed structural or civil engineers, who have signed its petition. Now in proportion to the industry the level of support that the 911truth movement is tiny. However I can understand why 80 people did, because the response from government was slow and the one side videos the 911truth movement show are very compelling, if you do not review them critically.

Some people will never believe we landed on the moon and some people will never believe that the planes that crashed into the towers, eventually brought them down. From my perspective both of these statements are equally preposterous. However the 911truth movement only provides one side of the argument and any organization that does so is not interested in truth. There are numerous answers to the questions they raise and the overwhelming evidence is that CD played no part in the collapse.

(3) How are all of the numerous videos which document the "collapse" of WTC 7 as a perfect controlled demolition not credible scientific evidence?

"We have carefully looked at the evidence that the 911 ‘truth movement’ presents and we cannot see any credible scientific evidence of a controlled demolition on WTC 7 or any of the other WTC buildings."

Well, if you only look at the 911truth videos then you have to remember that you are only looking at one side of the argument. Much of the evidence is circumstantial and is presented in a highly biased and emotive way. I have taken several of my family members through the ae911truth presentation and videos when they first came out and there was nothing that I saw, that could not be explained as a reasonable part of a collapse. Much of this information can be extracted from the NIST reports or from various contradictory web-sites..

My main concern is that the debate is that the CD theory is a distraction. 9/11 raises many issues about building performance, terror attacks and how structural steel behaves in extreme fire conditions. These issues need to be properly discussed and debated and every time the conversation starts, then CD takes us wildly of course.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=697314&page=2

[eromitlab]

As a good example of troofer mental instability, any time one of them starts going off about how the stars of the Impossibly Vast Conspiracy will be tried, convicted of treason based on the massive wall of total evidence that twoofers already have, and hung. Or, how about the ones that insinuate that troofers will be in charge of the country after they expose the coverup. Really, most of what they say is evidence of mental instability, but their idea that anyone will put them in charge of anything is tops in my book.

[Travis]

In which way should it have collapsed?

Everybody knows that steel framed buildings collapse upwards and concrete buildings just shrink into singularities. Nobody even wants to talk about what happens with masonry buildings but suffice to say that rivers turn to blood, Cthulhu rises from the deep and everyone thinks Supertramp is cool again.

[HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP]

"WHO YOU GOING TO BELIEVE, ME OR YOUR LYING EYES? - James Fetzer

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" tHIS VIDEO IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE"

[chillzero]

There are plenty of other threads to take the discussion of the mechanics of collapses, etc. Please do not derail this thread further. Keep it on topic.

[cyclonic]

" tHIS VIDEO IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE"

Strange, works fine for me, try this link

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z7-fNNFl_Yk

has fetzer been committed yet? :D

[Oliver]

Another "Top-Moment of Truther-Instabillity" was this:

Friday, 14 - 2006 - [ MP3s : 1 (http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Stadtmiller/06/07/Stadtmiller_071406_010000.mp3) - 2 (http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Stadtmiller/06/07/Stadtmiller_071406_020000.mp3) ] Winamp (http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Stadtmiller/06/07/Stadtmiller_0714.m3u) + WindowsMedia (http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Stadtmiller/06/07/Stadtmiller_0714.asx) + RealMedia (http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Stadtmiller/06/07/Stadtmiller_0714.ram) + QuickTime (http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Stadtmiller/06/07/Stadtmiller_0714.qtl)

:D

[Lennart Hyland]

Just check the Heiwa-threads :)

[1337m4n]

Another "Top-Moment of Truther-Instabillity" was this:

Friday, 14 - 2006 - [ MP3s : 1 (http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Stadtmiller/06/07/Stadtmiller_071406_010000.mp3) - 2 (http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Stadtmiller/06/07/Stadtmiller_071406_020000.mp3) ] Winamp (http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Stadtmiller/06/07/Stadtmiller_0714.m3u) + WindowsMedia (http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Stadtmiller/06/07/Stadtmiller_0714.asx) + RealMedia (http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Stadtmiller/06/07/Stadtmiller_0714.ram) + QuickTime (http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Stadtmiller/06/07/Stadtmiller_0714.qtl)

:D

http://data.tumblr.com/fSymsOGXO5v5is1v1viuKME7_500.jpg

[Oliver]

http://data.tumblr.com/fSymsOGXO5v5is1v1viuKME7_500.jpg


:D It's a wonderful example for Truther paranoia, isn't it?

I hope that someone is able to present similar funny radio-shows,
but so far this is my absolute favorite...

[A W Smith]

Tonight on MSNBC will be a rebroadcast of 'witness to Jonestown (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27052411/)"

I wish I had a transcript of this program because some of the drug and insanity induced rantings recorded from jim Jones coming up days before the mass suicide sound exactly like the paranoid rantings from Alex Jones.

http://www.archive.org/download/ptc1978-11-18.flac16/ptc1978-11-18.flac16_64kb.m3u

[parky76]

alex jones isnt suicidal. not yet...at least.

[Walter Ego]

Someone asked my today if I can prove that alot of the truth movement is made up of people... you know, who are mentally unwell. I'm trying to come up with a top moments of instability list. Jim Fetzer when he goes noplaner, i think would be a good example (illustrating what we already knew). There was that British guy that claimed he was the messiah. I figure you guys could come up with a good long list. Any help with some links would be appriciated.

Matthew Naus of Vets for 9/11 Truth confronts Senator Russ Feidgold of Wisconsin.

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Craig Ranke On The Howard Stern Show (my version).

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Demented truther heckles lefy journalist Amy Goodman.

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[tomwaits]

Matthew Naus of Vets for 9/11 Truth confronts Senator Russ Feidgold of Wisconsin.

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That's what happens when you deal with Packers fans.

[Brainster]

Matt and the Milwaukee Troof contingent indulge themselves in a little book-burning:

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There's one out there with poor Alfons (Matt's fellow founder of Veterans for 9-11 Troof) shopping in his local store and occasionally harassing the other shoppers.

[beachnut]

I disagree. He's made some good points on 911. His points on the WTC7 building collapse haven't yet been debunked.

You should start a thread and prove any of the idiot truther claims, which you can’t do; and you will not do. Why? 9/11 truth is based on lies, hearsay, and fantasy. You lack evidence and just say things have not been refuted. The entire truth movement is refuted by their own lack of evidence. 7 years of failure; 9/11 truth.

DEBUNKED, you missed it. His points on WTC7, total junk. Start a thread and present your evidence. Oops. you have zero evidence, just talk.


Why does the Pulitzer Prize elude all the smoking gun pundits of 9/11 truth?

[matt.tansy]

Matt and the Milwaukee Troof contingent indulge themselves in a little book-burning:



Gotta love their euphemism for book burning. "We're gonna... barbeque the 9-11 commission report."

[Myron Proudfoot]

How about the video of Alex Jones in a NYC restaurant. He spots some people in military uniforms, harasses them as they leave, and follows them down the sidewalk shouting what he thinks are secret codes at them. I thought that crossed the line from normal twoofer stupidity into the clearly mentally ill.

[HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP]

Just check the Heiwa-threads :)
Or how about this one? (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=121936&highlight=FBI+records+planes) :)

[Trojan]

I think at one point September clues claims the dead passengers are not dead because their families did not show up to pick them up at LAX. :eye-poppi

[tomwaits]

Let's not forget the Nico Haupt youtube videos. I almost hesitate to post this, since it is actually kind of sad.


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[Caper]

http://data.tumblr.com/fSymsOGXO5v5is1v1viuKME7_500.jpg



Who is that loser?

[Brainster]

Box Boy Gage's demonstration:

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Sherry Clark tells of being a socialite and how being shunned for her Trooferism means she knows what it's like to be gay:

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What do they have in common? Both lost their families because of their nuttery.

[240-185]

Caper > He's Jonathan Arbuckle, master of Garfield, his cat.
Here, he's featuring a comic where Garfield has been deleted from it, it does still have sense :D

[Caper]

Caper > He's Jonathan Arbuckle, master of Garfield, his cat.
Here, he's featuring a comic where Garfield has been deleted from it, it does still have sense :D

No, No... They loon on that radio show in the post.

[A W Smith]

Jeff from Canada calls the FBI
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again
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[dtugg]

finalmessenger is a no-planer from Canada. Coincidence? There can't be too many people in Canada crazy enough to believe there were no planes at the WTC.

[GeeMack]

finalmessenger is a no-planer from Canada. Coincidence? There can't be too many people in Canada crazy enough to believe there were no planes at the WTC.


Yeah. Crazy? Kevin Clay Gardner, finalmessenger (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=129147), the real thing.

[A W Smith]

Yeah. Crazy? Kevin Clay Gardner, finalmessenger (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=129147), the real thing.

This Kevin Clay Gardner? A no planer who believes god told him an asteroid is on its way to hit earth? really?
http://www.positiveatheism.org/mail/eml8449.htm

And that was over 6 years ago. Whats taking that asteroid so long?

[jaydeehess]

This Kevin Clay Gardner? A no planer who believes god told him an asteroid is on its way to hit earth? really?
http://www.positiveatheism.org/mail/eml8449.htm

And that was over 6 years ago. Whats taking that asteroid so long?

I am the "Penultimate Sleeper"

The almost last sleeper?

Typical misuse of the word methinks.

[Stupid]

The Web Fairy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43o_286iHFE

[cyclonic]

The Web Fairy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43o_286iHFE

Watch this interview.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cguNc29n5uc

[PhantomWolf]

Did someone say Clunkity clunk*?








*110 times in 20 seconds......

[UNLoVedRebel]

kcrF346sS_I

I always liked Hufschmid's "explanation" of the 9/11 attacks. Not as imaginative as the no-planers, but just as stupid.

[Trojan]

Any one check out cnn911fakes on Youtube? Among his many moments of insanity, he claims there were no firefighting activities at the Pentagon - yep, he claims the fire hoses are fake, water is just a special affect.

There is a point at which one just :jaw-dropp well, speach fails :boggled:

[Grizzly Bear]

Any one check out cnn911fakes on Youtube? Among his many moments of insanity, he claims there were no firefighting activities at the Pentagon - yep, he claims the fire hoses are fake, water is just a special affect.

There is a point at which one just :jaw-dropp well, speach fails :boggled:

Heh I believe I saw a similar video earlier this week... I just couldn't remember who it was that put it up....

[scarytruth]

About the near death experiences, I always find it helpful to always make sure the animal is completely deceased before ingesting.

[CORed]

-there were no eyewitnesses to aircraft impacts only TV and video images

Made by remote-controlled cameras, I guess, otherwise, the cameramen would have seen the impacts. Funny that the first I news report heard of 9/11 was not "A mysterious fire has broken out in the World Trade Center" but "A plane has hit the World Trade Center".

[cyclonic]

Any one check out cnn911fakes on Youtube? Among his many moments of insanity, he claims there were no firefighting activities at the Pentagon - yep, he claims the fire hoses are fake, water is just a special affect.

There is a point at which one just :jaw-dropp well, speach fails :boggled:

Yes cornflakes (cnn911fakes) aka joe craine is up there flying around with the webfairy,he is crazy as a coconut.

here is his fake fire fighting video

-DoouPBJKvE


But his 911 satan video is..............



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[scarytruth]

WTC7 did not collapse symmetrically.

Any detailed study of any available video of the collapse of WTC 7, reveals that within one second, all vertical interior and exterior columns failed. That's 25 massive vertical columns within the interior of the building - along with 58 equally massive perimeter columns that comprised the exterior support hierarchy of the building - completely failing within one second of each other resulting in a global collapse.

[dtugg]

Any detailed study of any available video of the collapse of WTC 7, reveals that within one second, all vertical interior and exterior columns failed. That's 25 massive vertical columns within the interior of the building - along with 58 equally massive perimeter columns that comprised the exterior support hierarchy of the building - completely failing within one second of each other resulting in a global collapse.

Do you have a theory as to why they all failed? Magical silent explosives? Therm?te?

[Dave Rogers]

Any detailed study of any available video of the collapse of WTC 7, reveals that within one second, all vertical interior and exterior columns failed.

Does that include the ones supporting the east mechanical penthouse that fell into the building 4-6 seconds before the facade collapsed? If so, it was an unusually long second.

Dave

[beachnut]

Any detailed study of any available video of the collapse of WTC 7, reveals that within one second, all vertical interior and exterior columns failed. That's 25 massive vertical columns within the interior of the building - along with 58 equally massive perimeter columns that comprised the exterior support hierarchy of the building - completely failing within one second of each other resulting in a global collapse.
Did you miss the penthouse falling in?

Did you do the not so detailed investigation?

[eromitlab]

Now to be fair, most of the available videos of the WTC7 collapse, especially the ones posted by troofers, don't show the east penthouse collapsing in advance of the rest of the building.
I wonder why that is. :rolleyes:

[boloboffin]

Now to be fair, most of the available videos of the WTC7 collapse, especially the ones posted by troofers, don't show the east penthouse collapsing in advance of the rest of the building.
I wonder why that is. :rolleyes:

Actually, one of the reasons may surprise you. Yes, of course it suits their purpose. But the angle that they usually show, NW of the building, I actually found the first time that footage appeared on the air. It was late in the afternoon, just after the building had fallen. The television editors themselves actually cut off the first part of the building falling down. Only that final plummet was deemed dramatic enough to play on 9/11.

Most people who score that footage got it from the archives at archive.org (until they noticed that people could download that copywrited footage and disabled downloading). I think that came from CNN, or maybe NBC. Anyway, that's how much of the footage was actually available to the public. That's why most CT advocates use only that part of the footage -- it's all that's available to them.

NIST has the full video, though, and have it on their website now to show the full collapse.

There are instances where footage of WTC 7 has been edited down to help suppress the truth. AE911Truth does that with a video shot from the east. They seem to be doing it to focus only on the pyroclastic-like clouds (their terminology, snicker) that come from the collapse, but they manage to trim away the first part of the shot that shows a decidedly non-freefall-speed section of the collapse that slumps to the south as it falls. Can't be showing that to the gullible crowd, can they?

[Bobert]

Any detailed study of any available video .
Tell me how do you simply "study a video" to draw these conclusions?

[eromitlab]

Actually, one of the reasons may surprise you. Yes, of course it suits their purpose. But the angle that they usually show, NW of the building, I actually found the first time that footage appeared on the air. It was late in the afternoon, just after the building had fallen. The television editors themselves actually cut off the first part of the building falling down. Only that final plummet was deemed dramatic enough to play on 9/11.

Most people who score that footage got it from the archives at archive.org (until they noticed that people could download that copywrited footage and disabled downloading). I think that came from CNN, or maybe NBC. Anyway, that's how much of the footage was actually available to the public. That's why most CT advocates use only that part of the footage -- it's all that's available to them.

NIST has the full video, though, and have it on their website now to show the full collapse.

There are instances where footage of WTC 7 has been edited down to help suppress the truth. AE911Truth does that with a video shot from the east. They seem to be doing it to focus only on the pyroclastic-like clouds (their terminology, snicker) that come from the collapse, but they manage to trim away the first part of the shot that shows a decidedly non-freefall-speed section of the collapse that slumps to the south as it falls. Can't be showing that to the gullible crowd, can they?

It is a little surprising... but I figure that if troofers thought it would help them, the full collapse video would be sought out, copied ad infinitum and posted as much as possible. (Or, if that wasn't easy enough to do, claim the government is suppressing it because it's teh smokin gun!!!!111!!1) Every troofer would want to be the one that "uncovered" this rare footage and presented it as the latest piece of total evidence, in hopes of getting some recognition for themselves. As it happens, it doesn't and I wager most troofers have never even seen it once, so there's no need felt to get it out there, not when the commonly available collapse video is everywhere. I've seen the full NW collapse video only once or twice, and have yet to find it on youtube amongst the hundreds of uploads of the more commonly shown collapse video.

[~enigma~]

Someone asked my today if I can prove that alot of the truth movement is made up of people... you know, who are mentally unwell. I'm trying to come up with a top moments of instability list. Jim Fetzer when he goes noplaner, i think would be a good example (illustrating what we already knew). There was that British guy that claimed he was the messiah. I figure you guys could come up with a good long list. Any help with some links would be appriciated.
Wouldn't it be a much shorter non-existent list to mention all the moments of truther sanityprovided the sanity came from a truther that stayed a truther (IOW, no Mikey Metz type defectors).

[Brainache]

Wouldn't it be a much shorter non-existent list to mention all the moments of truther sanityprovided the sanity came from a truther that stayed a truther (IOW, no Mikey Metz type defectors).

Korey Rowe going AWOL?


Sorry for continuing this obvious derail.

[~enigma~]

Korey Rowe going AWOL?


Sorry for continuing this obvious derail.
Going AWOL in order to become one of the three Loose Change stooges was a moment of sanity? You sure have an odd definition.

[Brainache]

Going AWOL in order to become one of the three Loose Change stooges was a moment of sanity? You sure have an odd definition.

He already was one of the three stooges. Staying in the army and being semi-famous for making a movie about how the US Gov. did 9/11 might have resulted in a bit of, um, controversy with his fellow soldiers. So I think going AWOL at that time might have been a sane choice.

[Bell]

Wait a minute! Is that not the same video that is in the Naudet's 9/11 documentary?

Eta: Took a bit to long to hit reply. This response is regarding the NW video of WTC7 (as seen on the NIST website)
Eta2: No, I didn't take a bit to long, dolt! I didn't notice there was a page 3 :rolleyes:

[~enigma~]

He already was one of the three stooges. Staying in the army and being semi-famous for making a movie about how the US Gov. did 9/11 might have resulted in a bit of, um, controversy with his fellow soldiers. So I think going AWOL at that time might have been a sane choice.
So you think going AWOL and deserting is a sign of sanity????????

[Brainster]

Sean Fitzgerald of We Are Change Colorado (WAC-CO) pinned the insanity meter (http://www.koaa.com/aaaa_top_stories/x1589516403/Doctors-son-I-killed-my-own-father-in-front-of-my-mother) just before Thanksgiving:

The son of a prominent Colorado Springs doctor, who's accused of stabbing his father to death, is under suicide watch. Dr. Edward Fitzgerald was killed in his own home early Thursday morning, and now more disturbing details about this shocking crime are coming to light.

The probable cause affidavit shows that 36-year-old Sean Fitzgerald told police he stabbed his dad to death while his mom slept in the same bed.

Fitzgerald had been in Thailand earlier in November. Becoming convinced that Thai government agents were following him, he decided to elude them by riding his bicycle down a major highway. In the wrong direction. When he woke up in the hospital where his wife worked, he became convinced that it was time to get the heck out of Thailand. He contacted some of his fellow Troofers who posted at 9-11 Blogger and WAC-CO's website that Sean was in trouble and that, "Sean is a very intelligent and sane person." Apparently Sean's father traveled to Thailand and brought him back to Colorado Springs to recuperate from his injuries in the bike crash. A few weeks later his dad was dead.

This Alex Jones breakdown is quite amazing:

lGSBdHWBnks

[~enigma~]

I sort of correct myself if this is ever confirmed. Today there was a moment of truther sanity on the uncle Fester radio show when Ace Baker shot himself.

[Brainache]

So you think going AWOL and deserting is a sign of sanity????????
Only if it is highly likely that your comrades will spend most of their free time beating you to a pulp for laughs.

I sort of correct myself if this is ever confirmed. Today there was a moment of truther sanity on the uncle Fester radio show when Ace Baker shot himself.

What What WHAT???

[cyclonic]

Too bad he faked it.

oK9876dk_zg

[1337m4n]

New moment of Truther mental instability:


Following my repeated demands that he provide evidence for his claim that the KSM trial is fixed, JREF resident "Tin Foil Timothy" searched through my posting history, jumping in every thread I had recently participated in for the singular purpose of attacking me (with no regard for the thread's topic or any points I actually made). I suppose something I said must've really gotten to him, but I have no idea what--I mean, I haven't been any more of a jerk than I normally am :).

He has since been placed on Ignore.

[Brainache]

Too bad he faked it.

oK9876dk_zg

Well I guess that really does belong in this thread.

I wish that guy would just grow a brain.

[cyclonic]

Sean Fitzgerald of We Are Change Colorado (WAC-CO) pinned the insanity meter (http://www.koaa.com/aaaa_top_stories/x1589516403/Doctors-son-I-killed-my-own-father-in-front-of-my-mother) just before Thanksgiving:



Fitzgerald had been in Thailand earlier in November. Becoming convinced that Thai government agents were following him, he decided to elude them by riding his bicycle down a major highway. In the wrong direction. When he woke up in the hospital where his wife worked, he became convinced that it was time to get the heck out of Thailand. He contacted some of his fellow Troofers who posted at 9-11 Blogger and WAC-CO's website that Sean was in trouble and that, "Sean is a very intelligent and sane person." Apparently Sean's father traveled to Thailand and brought him back to Colorado Springs to recuperate from his injuries in the bike crash. A few weeks later his dad was dead.

This Alex Jones breakdown is quite amazing:

lGSBdHWBnks

Alex jones is now recruiting school children to increase his income, IMO he has crossed the line.
dsglop has made an excellent video about it.

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[1337m4n]

Well I guess that really does belong in this thread.

I wish that guy would just grow a brain.

Cue Scarecrow's theme from "The Wizard of Oz".

[~enigma~]

Only if it is highly likely that your comrades will spend most of their free time beating you to a pulp for laughs.
In your opinion it is sane to go Absent WithOut Leave and desert on a contract you made with the military in order to pursue wet dreams of fame among psychotic sub-humans. With that attitude it's no wonder Sunny 'Straya is not a major military strength in the world. Now what in your opinion is a contract (in particular with the military) good for if ones whim is good enough to break it whenever they deem fit? His desertion is just more proof that sub-humans are quitters and not sane.

[~enigma~]

Too bad he faked it.

oK9876dk_zg
Who besides truthers verified it? Personally I would feel bad for his family if he did commit suicide but for him I wouldn't shed a tear.

[Bell]

Too bad he faked it.

oK9876dk_zg

That's a nasty comment.

If he faked it, all the better. I wouldn't wish for him to kill himself.

[chillzero]

I haven't been able to find any evidence that he faked it. Anybody got that?
It is very possible it was a failed attempt, and not something anyone should sneer at or encourage either way, imo.

Anyone happy that their comments like that may contribute to someone breaking down in this manner?

ETA: I have just been reading the thread here:
http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=5907

I know I get on at you guys a lot, but I have to say I'm often proud of you all nonetheless, and particularly after reading that thread. Keep up the (mostly) mature responses.

[boloboffin]

Whatever Ace has done here, it is the act of a desperately sick individual. I hope his desire to go home is genuine. I hope that his only motivation in doing what he did was to make an impression on the 9/11 Truth Movement (ill advised as such a drastic act was).

Once you are as deep in a counter-culture ideology as Ace was, you have a long road back. You do things to your psyche that cannot be undone overnight. He has spent years convincing himself that what he sees is not what he sees. One thing in his favor (two, if you count his desire to go home): Ace has always had the courage to stand up for what he believes, to go on the record, even if it is so offbase.

There are better ways, Ace, to rage against the dying of the light. My personal suggestion is to find a way to protest the war in Iraq more productively. Take up the cause of humanitarian aid. There is nothing you can do to change the past. You only have the present, and the future is all that matters. Turn it around.

My loathing of James Fetzer reaches a new depth.

[Brainster]

Whatever Ace has done here, it is the act of a desperately sick individual. I hope his desire to go home is genuine. I hope that his only motivation in doing what he did was to make an impression on the 9/11 Truth Movement (ill advised as such a drastic act was).

My loathing of James Fetzer reaches a new depth.

I was listening to the Jack Blood show afterwards and Fetzer mentioned what an awful thing suicide is for the survivors, noting that his own mother committed suicide when he was 11 years old. I seem to recall his mother's suicide coming up before, so I doubt very strongly that Fetzer was involved in any way with this stunt.

[Dog Town]

I seem to recall his mother's suicide coming up before, so I doubt very strongly that Fetzer was involved in any way with this stunt.

You're a better man than I. Unca' Fetzers past, buys no trust with me. I would put nothing past this *curses edited by author*!Not that I think, enabling this by him makes any sense, but...

[BenBurch]

Wow, this is messed up.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

New moment of Truther mental instability:

Following my repeated demands that he provide evidence for his claim that the KSM trial is fixed, JREF resident "Tin Foil Timothy" searched through my posting history, jumping in every thread I had recently participated in for the singular purpose of attacking me (with no regard for the thread's topic or any points I actually made). I suppose something I said must've really gotten to him, but I have no idea what--I mean, I haven't been any more of a jerk than I normally am :).

He has since been placed on Ignore.


Ahh, but remember... he's merely laughing from the sidelines. :rolleyes:

[boloboffin]

I was listening to the Jack Blood show afterwards and Fetzer mentioned what an awful thing suicide is for the survivors, noting that his own mother committed suicide when he was 11 years old. I seem to recall his mother's suicide coming up before, so I doubt very strongly that Fetzer was involved in any way with this stunt.

Oh, I didn't mean to imply he was involved. I abhorred his treatment of a distraught person. His priority was not Ace's well-being, but the Truth Movement's.

However, upon reflection, we have no evidence discounting the idea that Ace has done this kind of monologue for Fetzer before. Maybe Fetzer was simply used to hearing this from Ace. No real excuse, and of course Ace could have only pulled the stunt he did on the radio once for most people. Neither presented themselves in a very positive light here.

[Bell]

Ace Baker has posted a message about his pretended suicide on his blog (http://acebaker.blogspot.com/2009/01/why.html).

I think Ace is a very lonely and bitter guy.
I feel sorry for him.

2 days ago I pretended to commit suicide while on an interview show with Jim Fetzer. Why on earth would I do such a thing?

This was a work of performance art. The societal function of artists is to challenge the perceptions, to stimulate thoughts and emotions within audience members that might not otherwise occur.

Yes, I pretended to shoot myself in the head Tuesday, while talking to Jim Fetzer on his radio show. It was my little way of saying to hell with you, all of you. And congratulations, all of you. 9/11 was, and is, dead brilliant. Of all the 9/11 scoundrels, no one deserved it more than Jim Fetzer. Fetzer has been playing me, and playing every one the whole way.

Killown has said I suicided my credibility with my little performance art. That’s impossible, my credibility was already assassinated by him and his crew. Nice job. A poster on his forum Tuesday was commenting about my admission that 9/11 has taken me away from my family. He dismissed me as having not done much except for a couple of youTube Videos. And nobody cared to correct him.

Tuesday’s art was designed to get you to think about truth, what it means, and to force most of you to admit (at least to yourself) that you don’t actually value it much, if at all. You don’t. And that’s OK, this should keep you comfy. If you are one of those very rare people who value the truth, beware. Sooner or later, you will be denied. The forces protecting the truth are very well funded, and they don’t want you around.

No hardworking honest person likes to learn that their service is not valued. My service was truth, I gave it to you, and you don’t value it. I needed to find a way to explain how deeply that hurts me. At the same time, I needed to find a way to give back the comfort that I took away from you by presenting the truth. If you can dismiss me as a crazy person, maybe, just maybe, you can ignore the truth I have proven.

[1337m4n]

2 days ago I pretended to commit suicide while on an interview show with Jim Fetzer. Why on earth would I do such a thing?

Jesus cheesecake-loving Christ!

Yes good question, what could drive a man to such heights of insanity?

If there are any psychology majors on this forum, I'd love to hear their input.

[BenBurch]

Deeply sick.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Jesus cheesecake-loving Christ!

Yes good question, what could drive a man to such heights of insanity?

If there are any psychology majors on this forum, I'd love to hear their input.

To get attention.

Don't need to be a psychologist to figure that out.

[~enigma~]

Odd...Unsecured Coins pulled a harmless and hilarious hoax regarding him being chipped and the sub-human sect went wild and said he (and for some reason everyone at JREF) promotes lies and UC was called Satan's spawn (guess he is my brother or sister then). Where are all the self-righteous sub-humans rallying against their own? Good to hear he didn't go through with it because I really would have felt bad for his wife and daughters but I really didn't expect a truther to hit anything that wasn't in a wheelchair.

ETA - The one moment of truther sanity turns out to be a hoax. Who would have thunk it :)

[Bell]

To get attention.

Don't need to be a psychologist to figure that out.

To get attention? Or a call for attention?

In my line of work (phone operator for the police) we frequently have to deal with people calling in, saying that they are going to commit suicide. Some say and don't act. Some try and try again, but the police is just in time to stop the person. Some achieve, like the woman who called, then poured petrol over herself and set herself to fire. These people need help. First from friends and family, and second from professionals.

There is no saying what Ace his problems are, but someone believing so firmly in the plane fakery, is not well imho. Therefor I feel sorry for him.

[boloboffin]

Well, narcissism would be the start of a hypothesis. Ace did this stunt to draw attention to how important his research is. I'm flabbergasted. The only time he mentions his wife in that diatribe is to remind everyone of a smear campaign some CT advocate launched against them both. And yet he invoked her and his children to justify his "suicide." He is deeply disturbed.

And if he actually knew of Fetzer's history of family members committing suicide (something I didn't know until Brainster mentioned it), a stunning act becomes heinous.

[A W Smith]

Ace Baker considers his stunt "performance art"?? Is he teaming up with Nico Haupt for a mashup any rime soon?

Ace if you are reading this. Does your wife and children know about this? Do you think perhaps it worries them that you faked a suicide? Would you be ashamed, proud or indifferent to the effects your actions have on your loved ones? Ace although we disagree I don't think you are a bad person. And I am worried. Please discuss what bothers you with your family, someone close or a mental health professional,

[Homeland Insurgency]

I haven't been able to find any evidence that he faked it. Anybody got that?
It is very possible it was a failed attempt, and not something anyone should sneer at or encourage either way, imo.

Anyone happy that their comments like that may contribute to someone breaking down in this manner?

ETA: I have just been reading the thread here:
http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=5907

I know I get on at you guys a lot, but I have to say I'm often proud of you all nonetheless, and particularly after reading that thread. Keep up the (mostly) mature responses.

In that site you link it doesn't even seem that many truthers there even like Ace Baker. Or am I not reading it right?

What was that post about Mark Humphrey all about? The Harley guy witness?

Somebody start a thread about that here. That's wild.

[~enigma~]

Somebody start a thread about that here. That's wild.
Is there a prohibition on truther threads or does not having opposable thumbs create a problem? I think this definitely belongs as an example of mental instability among the truthers.

[Bell]

In that site you link it doesn't even seem that many truthers there even like Ace Baker. Or am I not reading it right?

Indeed. You're not reading it right.

[Homeland Insurgency]

Indeed. You're not reading it right.

This guy is not a truther?

Here's a prediction for you all: I predict that Ace Baker's next move will be to set his own house on fire killing several 9/11 actors and perps and faking his own death.

He's already established a pattern for that, so nobody should be surprised when you read that SUICIDE BAKER and his fake wife Clair Marlo, and their Israeli Virtual Reality buddies from VizRT, and their 9-11 shill actors like Mark Humphrey died in a fire.

It's clear that this nutcase "Ace Baker" is mentally unstable, and I predict that he's going to try to murder a bunch people, based on his little radio stunt and his previous false claims.

That's just my opinion of course. I could be right, I could be wrong. But I won't be surprised when I read about it.

The scam artist SUICIDE BAKER is the same clown who has been hanging out with the people attacking SEPTEMBER CLUES. I guess they figure this little publicity stunt will draw attention away from the recent exposure of 9-11 Harley Guy actor Mark Humphrey, the exposure of "Ace Baker" ties to Israeli Defense contractors and 9-11 TV Fakery suppliers, and the recent revelation of layers of fakery in the 9-11 Video Deception going far beyond fake planes.

Those who continue to associate with and promote "Ace Baker" are knowing frauds.

I mean conspiracy theorist have been saying forever now that Harley guy was just some actor or plant. I think it's hilarious even if he was just some actor in NYC that day.

I mean what a can of worms. lol I mean that guy in his "reel" on YOUTUBE at the end does look like the guy standing behind him in the interview.

It's just funny.

[Drudgewire]

That’s impossible, my credibility was already assassinated by him and his crew.


Maybe even before that. :p

[Ratas]

The Alex Jones-clip Brainster linked was the first one I actually watched from him. I've been browsing through prisonplanet but never before bothered to watch his rants.
I must say I'm amazed, he fits perfectly to the image I have from some American television evangelists, with all the angry shouting and fierce hand waving.
Totally absurd that anyone sane would buy that.. Oh wait!

[bje]

I nominate Deputy Secretary-General of the Arab Lawyers Association Abd Al-'Azim Al-Mughrabi.

See: http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD219509

"Guests Lose Their Tempers During Al-Jazeera TV Discussion on Whether Bush Is a War Criminal"

[cyclonic]

M15 whistleblower david shayler has had another "turn" and is now delores kane!


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/16/article-1200089-05BBA4DF000005DC-401_233x576.jpg


'I know in my heart that I am Christ and I am here to save humanity,' he began.
'I am here to show humanity the way and to show unconditional love and that includes murderers and pederasts.'

Pederasts are described as men who enjoy having sex with young boys.
The troubled Shayler then revealed how he now often dresses in women's clothing and claimed it was 'part of the prophecy' because 'Jesus was a transvestite', adding:
'It was important to have feminine attributes and the people I live with don't mind at all.'
Posing in a wig and leopard print mini-skirt and wearing false breasts beneath a black jumper he proclaimed: 'This is my Alter ego - I am Delores Kane!'
Shayler says he is on a 'mission' to save the world and this would happen through his growing of hemp, adding: 'We have a plan to save the world in four months by growing hemp. If we all started growing this plant we could be free, which is why they have made it illegal to stop people gaining freedom.'
In recent years Mr Shayler has stated that the that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by the American government.
He appears to mirror the thoughts of former sports presenter David Icke who once claimed 9/11 was arranged by the 'Global Elite' and that George Bush , the Queen and singers Kris Kristofferson and Boxcar Willie were 'Reptilian figures.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1200089/Call-Delores-says-MI5-whistleblower-David-Shayler.html

David/Delores belongs in this thread.

Do any JREF truthers identify with David/Delores?

[Oliver]

Another "Top-Moment of Truther-Instabillity" was this:

Friday, 14 - 2006 - [ MP3s : 1 (http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Stadtmiller/06/07/Stadtmiller_071406_010000.mp3) - 2 (http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Stadtmiller/06/07/Stadtmiller_071406_020000.mp3) ] Winamp (http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Stadtmiller/06/07/Stadtmiller_0714.m3u) + WindowsMedia (http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Stadtmiller/06/07/Stadtmiller_0714.asx) + RealMedia (http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Stadtmiller/06/07/Stadtmiller_0714.ram) + QuickTime (http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Stadtmiller/06/07/Stadtmiller_0714.qtl)

:D

Who is that loser?


It's Eric Hufschmid (http://forums.randi.org/Eric%20Hufschmid.net), a "Jews did it"-Truther whining about - and arguing with the Loose Change guys about his 9/11 movie being the better one while accusing Loose Change to be funded by Jews to destroy his "documentary" ... or something along that line...

[jhunter1163]

I think Ace Baker's faked suicide thing would qualify. I hope he didn't actually go and do it. Obviously the guy is just crying out for help.

[Oliver]

Another "Top-Moment of Truther-Instabillity" was this:

Friday, 14 - 2006 - [ MP3s : 1 (http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Stadtmiller/06/07/Stadtmiller_071406_010000.mp3) - 2 (http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Stadtmiller/06/07/Stadtmiller_071406_020000.mp3) ] Winamp (http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Stadtmiller/06/07/Stadtmiller_0714.m3u) + WindowsMedia (http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Stadtmiller/06/07/Stadtmiller_0714.asx) + RealMedia (http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Stadtmiller/06/07/Stadtmiller_0714.ram) + QuickTime (http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Stadtmiller/06/07/Stadtmiller_0714.qtl)

:D

I think Ace Baker's faked suicide thing would qualify. I hope he didn't actually go and do it. Obviously the guy is just crying out for help.


My impression of him is that he drove his ego right into a dead-end street and now realizes that there is no way out of it and all the wasted time and energy, a fate many truthers may probably face and have to deal with. The stupid thing about his stunts is, whenever he's getting serious, nobody will really care anymore. :boggled:

[Vic73]

Looks more like it tilted in one direction as it collapsed, and if it tilts, then, it cannot, by definition, be straight down.

[TruthersLie]

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How does a building which "falls straight down" manage to damage the ROOF of a building across the street and cause a 6 story section to collapse from the ROOF down?

Fitterman Hall. Look it up.
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[NickUK]

M15 whistleblower david shayler has had another "turn" and is now delores kane!


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/16/article-1200089-05BBA4DF000005DC-401_233x576.jpg


'I know in my heart that I am Christ and I am here to save humanity,' he began.
'I am here to show humanity the way and to show unconditional love and that includes murderers and pederasts.'

Pederasts are described as men who enjoy having sex with young boys.
The troubled Shayler then revealed how he now often dresses in women's clothing and claimed it was 'part of the prophecy' because 'Jesus was a transvestite', adding:
'It was important to have feminine attributes and the people I live with don't mind at all.'
Posing in a wig and leopard print mini-skirt and wearing false breasts beneath a black jumper he proclaimed: 'This is my Alter ego - I am Delores Kane!'
Shayler says he is on a 'mission' to save the world and this would happen through his growing of hemp, adding: 'We have a plan to save the world in four months by growing hemp. If we all started growing this plant we could be free, which is why they have made it illegal to stop people gaining freedom.'
In recent years Mr Shayler has stated that the that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by the American government.
He appears to mirror the thoughts of former sports presenter David Icke who once claimed 9/11 was arranged by the 'Global Elite' and that George Bush , the Queen and singers Kris Kristofferson and Boxcar Willie were 'Reptilian figures.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1200089/Call-Delores-says-MI5-whistleblower-David-Shayler.html

David/Delores belongs in this thread.

Do any JREF truthers identify with David/Delores?

My first thought was "At least he's shaved his legs".

[Brainster]

Here's another one that resulted in a New Zealand woman spending some time (http://clareswinney.wordpress.com/incarcerated-in-a-psychiatric-ward-because-i-said-911-was-an-inside-job/) in a mental institution for suicidal patients:

I was absolutely terrified by this, particularly so as I was horribly conscious of the content of the threatening e-mails I had received in the days preceding this. (A Englishman researching the New World Order, stated in a letter to the hospital in 2008 that he has heard of this technique being used “often.” His letter is at the end of the post). Consequently, with my heart thumping wildly, I strode to Police Superintendent Viv Rickard, who happened to be in the town Mall at the time, and told him that I believed the SIS was threatening my life because of my work in exposing the truth about 9/11. Rickard said he believed me, but said he thought that others on the police force might not, so advised me to deal with him directly about the matter.
Subsequent to the encounter with the man dressed in black, I had a discussion with a family member about hypothetical scenarios and my very real fears, to the point at which I said that if it were between a man with a gun and tablets, I would prefer the latter.

What amuses me about this story (aside from Trooferism being cited by her as evidence that she's sane) is that, like all "Truthers", she simultaneously believes that 84% of the population is aware that 9-11 was an inside job, and yet that it is extraordinarily courageous of her to be spreading the word.

[orphia nay]

Here's another one that resulted in a New Zealand woman spending some time (http://clareswinney.wordpress.com/incarcerated-in-a-psychiatric-ward-because-i-said-911-was-an-inside-job/) in a mental institution for suicidal patients:



What amuses me about this story (aside from Trooferism being cited by her as evidence that she's sane) is that, like all "Truthers", she simultaneously believes that 84% of the population is aware that 9-11 was an inside job, and yet that it is extraordinarily courageous of her to be spreading the word.

Good point!

I saw that article at 9/11 Blogger earlier today. I was thinking, she was protesting that they'd illegally incarcerated her for her political beliefs... No, it wasn't anything to do with the fact that family members thought she was suicidal, or that she was so paranoid she was freaking out about a man in a suit looking at her as they crossed the road...

What's political about a complete lack of common sense? She believes the US Government sent planes into the WTC, but a missile into the Pentagon; she believes somehow thousands of tonnes of explosives got planted without anyone noticing; she has a Masters in Science, but she believes WTC7 fell at "the speed of gravity"; she believes they blamed Saudis for the attacks so they could attack Iraq and Afghanistan??? And she wonders why they diagnosed her as delusional... :con2: :oldroll:

[Dave Rogers]

She believes the US Government sent planes into the WTC, but a missile into the Pentagon; she believes somehow thousands of tonnes of explosives got planted without anyone noticing; she has a Masters in Science, but she believes WTC7 fell at "the speed of gravity"; she believes they blamed Saudis for the attacks so they could attack Iraq and Afghanistan??? And she wonders why they diagnosed her as delusional... :con2: :oldroll:

To be fair, that's pretty much the vanilla Truther hypothesis.

Dave

[orphia nay]

To be fair, that's pretty much the vanilla Truther hypothesis.

Dave

"Vanilla"? :confused:

Do you mean that that's the generic Twoofer theory?

Argumentum ad populum. :)

[Dave Rogers]

"Vanilla"? :confused:

Do you mean that that's the generic Twoofer theory?

I think I mean that truther theories are all pretty much that mad, rather.

Argumentum ad populum. :)

Argumentum ad asylum, I think.

Dave