CIT AGAIN lying twisting and distorting

[Bobert]

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/876461/1/
They have another witness WHO HAS STATED HE SAW THE PLANE HIT THE FRIGGIN PENTAGON yet Craig and Aldo CONTINUE to lie, twist and distory this poor guy words.
Craig and Aldo are implying that he witnessed the flyover.
These lunatics even TAPE RECORD a phone call to their "witness" and it is PAINFULLY OBVIOUS that is guy doesnt want to talk about 9-11.
Craig even tries to throw in that he needs to tallk to Craig because it it a matter of "national security"
PLEASE STOP THE MADNESS!
Here is a link to the phone call.
http://www.thepentacon.com/DewittRoseborough.mp3 (http://www.thepentacon.com/DewittRoseborough.mp3)
Hmmmm funny but I dont hear these knuckleheads record the part where they ask this guy permission to record the call!

[Arus808]

I would also report this to this person, in question, so that he knows that he may have been recorded without his permission. CIT resorts to criminal shenanigans.. who'd of thunk?

[1337m4n]

Craig even tries to throw in that he needs to tallk to Craig because it it a matter of "national security"

Yet they will not present their evidence to any media? I find Craig's craim most improbable.

It is disturbing that he would resort to a phrase people normally associate with FBI agents when he is, in fact, just some punk kid on the Internet. He is meaningless. Let him wallow in his false sense of self-importance until one day--most likely on his deathbed--he realizes that he wasted his entire life.

[dtugg]

Most states only require that one of the parties consent to a phone call being recorded for it to be legal. However California is not one of those states. I hope that if they did indeed not get consent, that they are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

[parky76]

um...isnt recording a phone conversation without the other person's knowledge...a Federal offense?

if this was me..I'd be at the local Police station tomorow and the FBI on Thursday.

[16.5]

Jesus, these guys are pathetic.

Wow, I never realized what a prevaricator that mutt Craig is.

Does anyone think that they will ever come up with the math that demonstrates that an airliner could fly the path they claim it did?

Of course not.

And of course, Aldo claims that because he heard the plane above his head, that means the plane was above his head, and all the sheep fall in line with this lie (SPreston, I'm looking at you).

Anyhow, his story is completely inconsistent with the CIT NOC flight path, so EPIC FAIL GUYS!

[dtugg]

um...isnt recording a phone conversation without the other person's knowledge...a Federal offense?

if this was me..I'd be at the local Police station tomorow and the FBI on Thursday.

No. It is not against any federal laws. It is also not against most state laws. But it is against California laws and those jackasses live in California.

[parky76]

No. It is not against any federal laws. It is also not against most state laws. But it is against California laws and those jackasses live in California.

Roseborough does not live in Cali.

[dtugg]

Roseborough does not live in Cali.

Yeah, but they do and they recorded it from Cali (presumably). I would guess it is still illegal although I am not a lawyer so I am not sure.

[Arus808]

http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs9-wrtp.htm

From reading the link above, Craig should have notified and accept consent by the other party in order to record the phone call. We dont know, by the mp3 he provided, that he did so, but if he didn't, he did violate STATE law. The law doesn't state that if the person being called is out of state. It does state that ALL parties must accept being recorded.

[dtugg]

Somebody should save the MP3 in case they decide to delete it after reading this thread (I am sure they will read it). I would do it but for some reason, I cannot even open it.

[Horatius]

http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs9-wrtp.htm

From reading the link above, Craig should have notified and accept consent by the other party in order to record the phone call. We dont know, by the mp3 he provided, that he did so, but if he didn't, he did violate STATE law. The law doesn't state that if the person being called is out of state. It does state that ALL parties must accept being recorded.


From your link:


The California Supreme Court held in Kearney v. Salomon Smith Barney, Inc. , ___ Cal.4th ___ (July 13, 2006) that out-of-state businesses are prohibited from monitoring or recording their telephone calls with California residents, even if that conduct takes place in any of the states where only one party's consent is required to lawfully monitor or record a telephone call. Thus, California 's two-party consent law governs any calls between a company's location in a one-party consent state and customers located in California .


If the California Supreme Court is willing to apply this law to out of sate people calling into California, I can't imagine they would apply a lesser standard to people calling out of California.

And there's also the issue of publishing the recordings. I'd bet that even if they could record without consent, publishing it without consent would be a problem.

[jhunter1163]

Where's the goddess of legaltainment when you need her?

[JoeyDonuts]

Where's the goddess of legaltainment when you need her?

Who? Do you perhaps refer to Cristina Perez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristina_P%C3%A9rez_(judge))?

And jes, I think she's hot. She can arbitrate my dispute any time.

Feliz cumpleaños, BTW.

[HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP]

Where's the goddess of legaltainment when you need her?

FELIZ CUMPLEAÑOS!http://www.geocities.com/hentairadio/cake.jpg

[biomorph]

Somebody should save the MP3 in case they decide to delete it after reading this thread (I am sure they will read it). I would do it but for some reason, I cannot even open it.

Got it.....

[T.A.M.]

I am sure like all of their ethical recordings, there are no leading questions, and full permission is given not only to record, but then to release the recording to the general public (permission to record, can be considered different then permission to publicly produce or release).

TAM;)

[Calcas]

So, does anybody know how to contact the guy who was called?

Somebody should give it a go and let him know of his legal rights.

Poor Lloyd the taxi driver evidently doesn't care about being slandered and libeled but, one of these days, someone will care enough to step up and hit the CIT nuts with a lawsuit.

[Mr.Herbert]

I've got his number and address if anyone is interested. I would call, but I am at work.

[Bobert]

PM it to me.

[Mr.Herbert]

you got mail

[LashL]

Where's the goddess of legaltainment when you need her?

A little birdie told me that you were looking for me. ;)

My take on the matter is that, yes, it violates California state law for Ranke and Marquis to record a telephone conversation originating in California, without first obtaining the other party's consent to the recording.

A little birdie also gave me another important piece of information, to which I must respond:


:hbd::wave1:bcake::wave1:hbd:

[JoeyDonuts]

A little birdie told me that you were looking for me. ;)

My take on the matter is that, yes, it violates California state law for Ranke and Marquis to record a telephone conversation originating in California, without first obtaining the other party's consent to the recording.

A little birdie also gave me another important piece of information, to which I must respond:


:hbd::wave1:bcake::wave1:hbd:

Oh...you're the Goddess of Legaltainment. My mistake and nice to meet you. I thought they were talking about Cristina Perez or Marilyn Milian.

[jhunter1163]

Thanks for stopping in, Lash, and thanks for the birthday wish too. :)

[Alareth]

http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs9-wrtp.htm

From reading the link above, Craig should have notified and accept consent by the other party in order to record the phone call. We dont know, by the mp3 he provided, that he did so, but if he didn't, he did violate STATE law. The law doesn't state that if the person being called is out of state. It does state that ALL parties must accept being recorded.


Can We Tape? (http://www.rcfp.org/taping/)

[PhantomWolf]

Federal law and most state laws also make it illegal to disclose the contents of an illegally intercepted call or communication.

Doh!

[Tweeter]

I think i`ll report Bobert to the authorities for publishing illegally taped recordings on the internet.

[double_o]

So, they interviewed dozens of witnesses but they only got 13 NoC witnesses?
And what happened to these interviews, why aren't they available like NoC interviews?

[Bosozoku]

I think i`ll report Bobert to the authorities for publishing illegally taped recordings on the internet.

Pointing out a potential crime does not equal committing a crime.

Make sure to tell the authorities your opinions about 9-11 while you're at it. It can't hurt your chances!

[16.5]

I think i`ll report Bobert to the authorities for publishing illegally taped recordings on the internet.

But in so doing, you'll be exposing heroic truthseekers like the CIT to the law! Oh perhaps that is your strategy? To make martyrs of the CIT on the alter of truth! Good on ya mate!

Or perhaps you'll simply make snarky comments on the internet and do nothing useful, like always.

[parky76]

I think i`ll report Bobert to the authorities for publishing illegally taped recordings on the internet.

if you feel a crime was commited, you should of course report it to the proper authorities.

[16.5]

Well, I see in the thread linked in the original post, Aldo has once again tweaked the Official CIT NOC Flight Path!!

It is now: Over the Navy annex, banked North of Citgo, descended below the tree level, pulled out of the bank, pulled out of the descent and then pulled up into an ascent right before the wall and over the impact site at the Pentagon, and then flew into the south parking lot after the explosion.

FANTASTIC! Can't wait to see the math on that!!

[TjW]

Well, I see in the thread linked in the original post, Aldo has once again tweaked the Official CIT NOC Flight Path!!

It is now: Over the Navy annex, banked North of Citgo, descended below the tree level, pulled out of the bank, pulled out of the descent and then pulled up into an ascent right before the wall and over the impact site at the Pentagon, and then flew into the south parking lot after the explosion.

FANTASTIC! Can't wait to see the math on that!!

Aldo has apparently watched too many Red Bull Air Races, without realizing why passenger jets are not really a competitive ride, there.

[twinstead]

if you feel a crime was commited, you should of course report it to the proper authorities.

Nah, I think he should just debate it on an internet forum exclusively and complain that the proper authorities aren't doing anything.

[GStan]

if you feel a crime was commited, you should of course report it to the proper authorities.

:D:D

[double_o]

It is now: Over the Navy annex, banked North of Citgo, descended below the tree level, pulled out of the bank, pulled out of the descent and then pulled up into an ascent right before the wall and over the impact site at the Pentagon, and then flew into the south parking lot after the explosion.


Allow me to correct you, according to CIT the plane never flew over the impact site as you can see in the map he posted.

The stupidity level just rose, again.

[parky76]

Nah, I think he should just debate it on an internet forum exclusively and complain that the proper authorities aren't doing anything.

good point. why contact the authorities and have an investigation...if an investigation never was and never will be the goal?

[Bobert]

I think i`ll report Bobert to the authorities for publishing illegally taped recordings on the internet.
PM me so I can give you a contact number for you/them to contact me at.
At first I thought you were joking but didnt see a wink or happy face.
Then I thought maybe you either dont understand US law or maybe you live outside the US.
Anyways good luck with that please spend countless hours on this matter.
:)

[twinstead]

Allow me to correct you, according to CIT the plane never flew over the impact site as you can see in the map he posted.


Oh. Well maybe when an actual witness to a flyover is brought forward this can be cleared up.

[Bobert]

The stupidity level of the CIT just rose, again.
Fixed that one for you.
Your welcome!
:)

[16.5]

Allow me to correct you, according to CIT the plane never flew over the impact site as you can see in the map he posted.

The stupidity level just rose, again.

Yeah, I saw that map.

Absolutely mind boggling, he appears not to realize that his plane would have to be at about 90 degree bank as it crossed in front of the Pentagon.

Aldo Voice: "Why doesn't he go tell Officer LaGasse that he didn't see a plane flying on its side in front of the Pentagon and the explosion."

It is clear that Aldo does not have the first freaking clue how planes fly.

[Bobert]

Aldo doesn't have a clue ABOUT ANYTHING.
If it weren't for Craig he wouldn't even have a job.
Add to that all the personal drama in his life that eh shared with the OC Weekly.
You have to be the worlds biggest idiot to reveal personal info to a reporter when the story isn't even about your personal life.

[T.A.M.]

Smells to me like one leader, one follower.

Hopefully the follower will grow up or grow out of the leader, and at least one will be saved.

TAM:)

[Bobert]

The funny thiing about the Craig/Also relationship is that Craig really is the leader but whenever they are interviewed Aldo ALMOST ALWAYS brags about how he brought Craig into this.

[16.5]

The funny thiing about the Craig/Also relationship is that Craig really is the leader but whenever they are interviewed Aldo ALMOST ALWAYS brags about how he brought Craig into this.

Gee, Craig is the brains of the outfit. That is scary.

Anyhow, they are both too dumb to realize that an airliner can't fly the path they claim it flew. On the other hand, they are also too dumb to realize that this witness basically destroys their whole stupid theory.

[Bobert]

Exactlly.
They dont want to provide the math yet their followers are over at LCF demainding that a debunker provide math regarding the light pole hitting Llyod's taxi.
I really do hope that one day "Conspiracy theorist" is added to the DSM as a mental illness.

[GStan]

Exactlly.
They dont want to provide the math yet their followers are over at LCF demainding that a debunker provide math regarding the light pole hitting Llyod's taxi.
I really do hope that one day "Conspiracy theorist" is added to the DSM as a mental illness.

I have a DSM-IV in my house. Its in there, a lot, just not under that name.;)

[Bobert]

LOL!
Yes I should have thought of that!
:D

[A W Smith]

Allow me to correct you, according to CIT the plane never flew over the impact site as you can see in the map he posted.

The stupidity level just rose, again.

Holy Ganole, Its back over the south parking lot again? Are they describing a guy with a model airplane on a 700 foot string standing on the roof of the Citgo? Because that about the only winged aircraft that can perform that arc.

:dl:

[jaydeehess]

Bobert, sometimes I believe that you go too far in your personal crusade against the CiT,,,

BUT,

,,, your description of this as the CiT "twisting and distorting" certainly applies here.

Overhead simply means he did not believe that the sound came from ground level IMO.
Like the other supposed south parking lot witness this description fits the so-called official flight path quite well.
He never states that the aircraft was overhead, only that the sound came from above.
Although he most certainly believes a plane hit the Pentagon, if he had seen a plane over the south parking lot he would have been describing it as a second aircraft. He doesn't.
Two roars most certainly is not an initial sound of the aircraft approaching and then the sound of the engines spooling up to full power. That would be described as the roar getting louder, not two separate sounds. It is more likely that the second 'roar' is the sound of impact.
ie. Aircraft approaches via the more widely accepted flight path and the witness hears the roar of engines on full power, the aicraft is low and passes beyond the corner of the building momentarily interrupting the sound. The aircraft rams the Pentagon creating a much louder roar as the aircraft and building are torn aprt and the fuel explodes, thus two roars.

IIRC, there were CT's who were explaining how the aircraft could fly a NoC path by stating that it did not fly over the impact site but instead went just to the north of the Pentagon. I guess they must be considered wrong now by all concerned. ,,,,,,,,,, and we are back to needing some math from the CiT indicating that a large aircraft can indeed fly a path that would put it NoC and over the south parking lot. Given that the turn just keeps getting sharper I don't think its gonna be likely.

[jaydeehess]

Holy Ganole, Its back over the south parking lot again? Are they describing a guy with a model airplane on a 700 foot string standing on the roof of the Citgo? Because that about the only winged aircraft that can perform that arc.

:dl:

ahem, I believe that the Red Bull air race aircraft were mentioned before.

I wrote in another thread that it is obvious that such an aircraft was painted to resemble a large Boeing and flew much lower than anyone thought in order to appear larger and faster. I just don't know how Boger, who describes the aircraft as heading right at him, managed to miss the fact that it was a single engine prop rather than a dual engined jet.
Oh well, its marginally better than my "it flew under the Pentagon" theory that Lyte(Craig) has ignored since I first came up with it a year ago.

[Bobert]

Bobert, sometimes I believe that you go too far in your personal crusade against the CiT,,,

BUT,

,,, your description of this as the CiT "twisting and distorting" certainly applies here.
I do appreciate your feedback but I make no apologies for how I post related to the CIT.
I feel that lately I have actually toned down my level of posting regarding them.
Yes I have in the past gone too far and while I dont necessarliy regret it however that does not mean that I will repeat it.
I really dont believe that I am all that important of a figure in the process of debunking the CIT anyway.

[jaydeehess]

I do appreciate your feedback but I make no apologies for how I post related to the CIT.
I feel that lately I have actually toned down my level of posting regarding them.
Yes I have in the past gone too far and while I dont necessarliy regret it however that does not mean that I will repeat it.
I really dont believe that I am all that important of a figure in the process of debunking the CIT anyway.

Now that you mention it I would admit that you have toned ot down as of late.
I was not asking you to apologize for past or present actions, merely voicing my opinion. I do read your posts which is more than I can say for some others.

[Bobert]

. I do read your posts which is more than I can say for some others.
Misunderstood Jaydeehess my apologies.
Issue clarified via PM.
:)

[1337m4n]

It would appear Dominick thinks you are a "CIT stalker".

I cannot help but enjoy the fact that people who demand the full name and address of anyone who so much as asks them a question, are accusing someone else of being a "stalker".

[16.5]

It would appear Dominick thinks you are a "CIT stalker".

I cannot help but enjoy the fact that people who demand the full name and address of anyone who so much as asks them a question, are accusing someone else of being a "stalker".

I would like to thank Dom for linking to this thread, in which it was repeatedly shown that the morons at CIT have no idea how a plane flies.

Great job!

[Bobert]

It would appear Dominick thinks you are a "CIT stalker".

I cannot help but enjoy the fact that people who demand the full name and address of anyone who so much as asks them a question, are accusing someone else of being a "stalker".
Dom has no clue about my background and abilities.
He is a complete idiot.
Dom since you are reading this nothing behind the slience.
It was really simple.
A couple of numbers were obtained which turned out to be bad numbers.
No biggie, it happens.
But no I have zero fear in contacting him and infact for 13 years I conducted investigations which led to criminals receiving jail/prison.
See Dom I did REAL INVESTIGATIONS unlike you and your pathetic CIT.
So yes if anymore contact info is discovered yes I will call.
And no Dom when I do call people I dont sound like Craig sounds in that MP3.
Craig sounds all high like hes hopped up on something.
His tone and demeanor probably led your witness to not want to talk with him.

[Bobert]

Dom this is how Craig sounded:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU8flH9ZdDs
"your tone is so manic it must makes you sound nuttier"
:dl:

[jaydeehess]

Misunderstood Jaydeehess my apologies.
Issue clarified via PM.
:)

To be clear, I do appreciate Bobert's input.

'nuff said

[Mangoose]

Don't look now, but SPreston now (http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/889084/1/) thinks he's found the flyover on the Doubletree video!

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk43/SPrestonUSA/SPUSA/Vidcaptures/Doubletree_05_aircraft3_lg.jpg

[Arus808]

holy damn. does he even know what was in front of the Double Tree from that camera? Its called an overpass.....

[Horatius]

Don't look now, but SPreston now (http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/889084/1/) thinks he's found the flyover on the Doubletree video!

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk43/SPrestonUSA/SPUSA/Vidcaptures/Doubletree_05_aircraft3_lg.jpg




...this from the guy who complains about the parking lot video? :rolleyes:

[16.5]

Don't look now, but SPreston now (http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/889084/1/) thinks he's found the flyover on the Doubletree video!

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk43/SPrestonUSA/SPUSA/Vidcaptures/Doubletree_05_aircraft3_lg.jpg

S Preston reminds me of that guy in Anchorman who screams out "Loud Noises." "RANDOM BOLDING"!

Vinny Gambini: [to the jury] Hey, how ya doin'?
[to witness]
Vinny Gambini: Mr. Crane, what are these pictures of?
Ernie Crane: My house and stuff.
Vinny Gambini: House and stuff. And what is this brown stuff on your window.
Ernie Crane: Dirt.
Vinny Gambini: Dirt. And what is this rusty, dusty, dirty looking thing that's covering your window?
Ernie Crane: That's a screen.
Vinny Gambini: A screen! It's a screen. And what are these really big things that are right in the middle of your view of the Sac-o-Suds and your kitchen window, what do we call these big things?
Ernie Crane: Trees?
Vinny Gambini: Trees, that's right, don't be afraid just shout 'em right out when you know 'em. And what are these thousands of little things that are on trees?
Ernie Crane: Leaves.
Vinny Gambini: And these big bushy things between the trees.
Ernie Crane: Bushes.
Vinny Gambini: Bushes. So, Mr. Crane, you can positively identify the defendants, for a moment of 2 seconds, looking through this dirty window, this crud covered screen, all of these trees, with all of these leaves on them, and I don't know how many bushes.
Ernie Crane: Looks like five.
Vinny Gambini: Uh, uh, uh, don't forget, this one and this one.
Ernie Crane: Seven bushes!

[Bobert]

Is it just me or does Craig's new avatar over at LCF make it appear that he is standing at a street corner babbling about CT's and being ignored by everyone?

[jhunter1163]

Thanks for that. I've had a tough day at work and needed the laugh. What he's claiming is a plane is obviously a branch of the nearby tree. Obvious, that is, to everyone but SPreston.

:dl:

[A W Smith]

Thanks for that. I've had a tough day at work and needed the laugh. What he's claiming is a plane is obviously a branch of the nearby tree. Obvious, that is, to everyone but SPreston.

:dl:

S Preston found the spruce goose?

[Bobert]

This should just illustrate perfectly for those unfamiliar with the CIT and their supporters just what depths they will sink to push their sick fantasy.
I am shocked that their first question to any witness isn't:
"hey so you saw the plane fly over right?"

[UNLoVedRebel]

Whatever it is, it definitely travels across the roof past the explosion.

If you believe your own two eyes, instead of everything I say, how about this... [/SPreston]

Craig is just being very cautious because this video was in the hands of the primary suspect for so long (released in December 2006 by FOIA). I too am being cautious, but also think this should be discussed and looked at. Craig is entirely correct that we cannot automatically trust evidence which has been held in the control of a primary suspect with a long record of lying and withholding evidence and manufacturing evidence and altering evidence. There is a good chance they have altered this video in order to create confusion. Or perhaps it somehow escaped their careful censorship; although that seems unlikely.

[dtugg]

I can't believe that these people are so stupid. I hope that they spend the rest of their lives trying to prove this whole no plane hit the Pentagon crap, which is of course impossible since a plane did hit the Pentagon. It will be a good source of amusement and they deserve to waste their lives on this because they are slanderous frauds.

[UNLoVedRebel]

Look how big that "plane" is compared to the vehicle behind it. I think the new CIT theory is some kid threw a paper airplane over the pentagon.

[Mr.Herbert]

you know what really grinds my gears?

why didn't the "perps" just "leak" a doctored video showing a 757 crashing into the pentagon?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Don't look now, but SPreston now (http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/889084/1/) thinks he's found the flyover on the Doubletree video!

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk43/SPrestonUSA/SPUSA/Vidcaptures/Doubletree_05_aircraft3_lg.jpg


So... the plane flew over the Pentagon, by flying lower than the overpass and by flying between the Doubletree hotel and said overpass?

Really?

It's that, or that vehicle also flew over the Pentagon...

Holy flying ****...

[1337m4n]

you know what really grinds my gears?

why didn't the "perps" just "leak" a doctored video showing a 757 crashing into the pentagon?

God The Gubmint works in mysterious waysTM.

[Bobert]

I can't believe that these people are so stupid. I hope that they spend the rest of their lives trying to prove this whole no plane hit the Pentagon crap, which is of course impossible since a plane did hit the Pentagon. It will be a good source of amusement and they deserve to waste their lives on this because they are slanderous frauds.
Yes 20 years from now they will be the new JFK'ers.

[dtugg]

Yes 20 years from now they will be the new JFK'ers.

I'm not sure about the JFKers, they are wrong but are not nearly as stupid as CIT and their fans. I would say they will be the new moon hoaxers.

[double_o]

I am shocked that their first question to any witness isn't:
"hey so you saw the plane fly over right?"

It will be something like this:
CIT:"hey so you saw the plane fly over right?"
Witness: "Yes, the plane flew right over there (pointing) and crashed into the pentagon."

Later that night at the CIT forum:
CIT:"Guys we have another flyover witness!"

[uruk]

Don't look now, but SPreston now (http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/889084/1/) thinks he's found the flyover on the Doubletree video!

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk43/SPrestonUSA/SPUSA/Vidcaptures/Doubletree_05_aircraft3_lg.jpg

SPreston thinks?!?!?!?! That's a new one.

99.9% of SPreston's posts are regurgitation of the cud the glimmer twins spew. I don' think he's capable of original thought. Or at least that's what I get from his posts.

[jaydeehess]

This should just illustrate perfectly for those unfamiliar with the CIT and their supporters just what depths they will sink to push their sick fantasy.
I am shocked that their first question to any witness isn't:
"hey so you saw the plane fly over right?"

Exactly!

The follow up should be
"Would I be correct in understanding that you are describing an aircraft that flew over the Pentagon"

Instead they conduct an interview and after the fact make pronouncements as to what the speaker was describing based solely on their own interpretation of the interview.

That is the absolute worst journalistic or investigative method that one could devise.

[Bobert]

Also look at all of the people that they have interviewed.
How many of them has the CIT accused of them of being "evasive" or that they seem to be hiding something?
There seems to be this recurring pattern
Hmmmmmmmm
I wonder if it could be that these people DON'T WANT TO TALK TO THEM!
It seems that everyone else gets this but the CIT!

[jaydeehess]

They also never bothered to ask Turcois if he was saying that the aircraft was "still obscured" by the fireball or by the embankment. But of course why would they ask a question that they did not want one of the choices of answer to be?

[parky76]

Also look at all of the people that they have interviewed.
How many of them has the CIT accused of them of being "evasive" or that they seem to be hiding something?
There seems to be this recurring pattern
Hmmmmmmmm
I wonder if it could be that these people DON'T WANT TO TALK TO THEM!
It seems that everyone else gets this but the CIT!

did it ever occur to you, that maybe they have been PAID not to talk to him!!!

=)

[ULTIMA1]

why didn't the "perps" just "leak" a doctored video showing a 757 crashing into the pentagon?

They did. Didn't you see the security gate footage?

You did see a 757 like they wanted you too, right?

[bje]

You did see a 757 like they wanted you too, right?

And you saw the flyover jet like an obedient CIT believer, didn't you?

[bobloblaw]

Most states only require that one of the parties consent to a phone call being recorded for it to be legal. However California is not one of those states. I hope that if they did indeed not get consent, that they are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
I have personally challenged Craig about his behaviour of recording persons without their knowledge or consent. He admits that this is common practise to them -

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread378783/pg76#pid4903777

His explanation, of course, is a complete fabrication. I do not believe for a moment that they phoned any of these witnesses back to obtain their permission to release a recording in which they were an unwitting participant.

I believe Craig has also stated that he records their conversations whilst in Aldo's car, as his bluetooth setup facilitates this somehow.

[16.5]

His explanation, of course, is a complete fabrication. I do not believe for a moment that they phoned any of these witnesses back to obtain their permission to release a recording in which they were an unwitting participant.


His entire life is a complete fabrication.

Truth be told, on several occasions, I considered dropping the dime on these jokers for violation of various wire tapping/recording statutes. Every time I realized that these frauds would enjoy that.

Plus it is useful to have them around. Anytime the frauds get a little too full of themselves, I just ask them for the calculations for their impossible flight path.

They are useful idiots: a step above Dr Judy and Ace maybe, but idiots all the same.

[~enigma~]

His entire life is a complete fabrication.

Truth be told, on several occasions, I considered dropping the dime on these jokers for violation of various wire tapping/recording statutes. Every time I realized that these frauds would enjoy that.

Plus it is useful to have them around. Anytime the frauds get a little too full of themselves, I just ask them for the calculations for their impossible flight path.

They are useful idiots: a step above Dr Judy and Ace maybe, but idiots all the same.
CIT isn't useful or they would be in this publication.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_13257492ec25a55c81.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=14369)

[dtugg]

They are useful as entertainment. That's about it.

I hope they don't ever change. As I said before, they deserve to be wasting their lives trying to prove their stupid fantasy being such huge frauds and it will be good entertainment for me. Maybe Craig will snap one day and get sent to the nut house. That would be great!

[A W Smith]

They are useful as entertainment. That's about it.

I hope they don't ever change. As I said before, they deserve to be wasting their lives trying to prove their stupid fantasy being such huge frauds and it will be good entertainment for me. Maybe Craig will snap one day and get sent to the nut house. That would be great!

Craig, Alldope and Dumbenic are like a real life epic fail guy trio.

Holy **** I just figured out Craig is aspiring to be a crime scene queen (http://www.wikihow.com/Be-a-Scene-Queen)



Work on your self-confidence (http://www.wikihow.com/Build-Self-Confidence), .
Get a MySpace (http://www.wikihow.com/Upload-Video-and-Images-to-MySpace).
Find a way to become e-famous (http://www.wikihow.com/Become-Famous). .
Learn to use scene lingo (http://www.wikihow.com/Use-Scene-Lingo),
Get a professional to take pictures of you,
Wear a lot of makeup (http://www.wikihow.com/Apply-Scene-Eye-Makeup).
Get a scene haircut (http://www.wikihow.com/Style-Scene-Hair).
Start a new trend.
Buy the right clothes.
Be very social.
Get a scene King. (Aldo)




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[PhantomWolf]

They did. Didn't you see the security gate footage?

You did see a 757 like they wanted you too, right?

So the lawyers working for the Victims families were the ones that did it? Wow....

By the way, most people claim they CAN'T see a 757 in the photos. I believe I have located it, but in a different place to a lot of the "offical" or "media" claims for the placement, and only because I finally figured out what an AA painted (well lack of painted) 757 in those photos would actually look like.

[jaydeehess]

They did. Didn't you see the security gate footage?

You did see a 757 like they wanted you too, right?

Fact is that many of your compadres do not see a 757 and the point of releasing a fake video would be to convince all that what it purports to be is in fact true.

Thus it would be odd to submit a supposedly faked video that merely adds to the supposed conspiracy.
Then again another of your compadres also thinks that the best way to show that a Boeing hit a building would be to 'plant' parts from several different aircraft.