Jews the destroyers of nations.

[MaGZ]

This recent quote of Jew, Michael Ledeen, reminded of a quote from another arrogant Jew, Maurice Samuel.

http://infowars.net/articles/february2008/040208NeoCON.htm
Michael Ledeen quote:

First and foremost, we must bring down the terror regimes, beginning with the Big Three: Iran, Iraq, and Syria. We will remain engaged. We have to ensure the fulfillment of the democratic revolution. We do not want stability in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and even Saudi Arabia; we want things to change. The real issue is not whether, but how to destabilize.

Creative destruction is our middle name both within our own society and abroad. We tear down the old order every day, from business to science, literature, art, architecture, and cinema to politics and the law. Our enemies have always hated this whirlwind of energy and creativity which menaces their traditions (whatever they may be) and shames them for their inability to keep pace. We must destroy them to advance our historic mission.


http://www.libreopinion.com/members/standarteslc/jewishquestion07.html
Maurice Samuel

In everything, we are destroyers--even in the instruments of destruction to which we turn for relief...We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain the destroyers for ever. Nothing that you will do will meet our needs and demands.

[cwalner]

In regard to the first quote, Mr. Ledeen seems to be talking as a neocon, not as a Jew. If you read the we in the quote as referring to Americans, this quote is nothing more than a accurate representation of neocon ideas regarding American use of power. The same ideas held by people such as Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney (don't think either are Jews). The only difference is that Mr Rumsfeld and Mr. Cheney were actually in positions of power and iinfluence to put these ideas into action.

As to the second quote, it seems quite damning. Unfortunately, I cannot connect to the link from work, which means that the site is so out of mainstream, that our IT admins here have decided that just having that site open at my desk would constitute a hostile work environment for my co-workers, so I only have that information to go on to examine the accuracy and context of the quote.

[moon1969]

It is true that jews like Henry Kissinger, Boris Berezovsky and Lazar Kaganovich did destroy nations.

[moon1969]

Barney Frank is a jew, Jack Abramoff is a jew and many bankers who were responsbile for financial crisis are jews.

[Richard Masters]

This recent quote of Jew, Michael Ledeen, reminded of a quote from another arrogant Jew, Maurice Samuel.

http://infowars.net/articles/february2008/040208NeoCON.htm
Michael Ledeen quote:


http://www.libreopinion.com/members/standarteslc/jewishquestion07.html
Maurice Samuel

When you mention Jews, do you mean the religion, the ethnicity, or the genetic lineage? Or are you talking about relation to Israel?

I just don't get the broad brush strokes.

[Richard Masters]

When you mention Jews, do you mean the religion, the ethnicity, or the genetic lineage? Or are you talking about relation to Israel?

I just don't get the broad brush strokes.

ETA: Or proponents of neoconservatism + zionism?

[chillzero]

Some off topic personalised responses move to AAH. Please post on topic, or do not respond.

[applecorped]

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=128869

Hooray for Jews!!!!!!!!

[Fiona]

Per wiki Maurice Samuel wrote the quote above in 1924. In 1950 he seems to have changed his mind
"I cannot find an underlying difference between the moral purpose of the Old Testament and the New, between Judaism and Christianity, between Bachya ibn Pakudah's 'Duties of the Heart' and Boethius's 'Consolation of Philosophy' or Thomas à Kempis's 'Imitation of Christ'. There is, on the contrary, a deep and moving similarity of spirit between Israel Baal Shem, the founder of Chassidism, and Francis of Assisi, though the former had never heard of the latter, and had never looked into the New Testament. What is perhaps more important for my thesis, the gentleness and warmth that I have found in plain Jewish homes in Manchester, New York, Warsaw, Vilna, Johannesburg, I have found also among gentile Lancashire weavers, and midwest American farmers, and French peasants -- all deriving from the same tradition." - Gentleman and the Jew, pages 203-204."

He died in 1972, btw

[Bobert]

Barney Frank is a jew, Jack Abramoff is a jew and many bankers who were responsbile for financial crisis are jews.
Sorry brother but your post just shows how ignorant you are.
Plenty of blame to share for the financial crisis that we are in....black, white, brown, yellow, etc etc etc.
But hey if it keeps those Jew hate feelings all warm and fuzzy for you then rock on!

[Fiona]

It is not fair of Magz to quote such things without context. I have found that Maurice Samuel emigrated to the United States and "In 1917 he was drafted into the United
States Army and assigned to train recruits who spoke Yiddish, but not English.
Samuel was then sent to France where he served until 1919 when he was assigned
to serve as secretary and interpreter at both the Versailles Peace Conference
and the Morgenthau Commission to Investigate the pogroms in Poland."

I would be prepared to bet that such experience might well sour a person's views of the possibility of integration for jews into gentile society. As I read around it appears that "You gentiles", published in 1924, was an exploration of what he saw as the fundamental difference in world view of jew and gentile. I have not read the book but I would not be surprised to find that the quote Magz gives is aimed at reporting the characterisation of the jew by some gentiles, rather than one he embraces. I say this because in the same book he is reported as saying " "From the dawn of civilization you have lied about us; you have accused us of murdering children that we might use their blood for ritual purposes; you have accused us of poisoning wells; you have accused us of precipitating wars (you! And war is the breath of your nostrils!); and you accuse us to-day of fomenting a world-wide conspiracy to seize the government of the world."

[Baby Nemesis]

A story to give you a bit of context, MaGZ, if you think Jews can be singled out as especially villainous. (http://yeshua4israel.com/english/testimony/tesimony3/testimony3.html)

[Pardalis]

As to the second quote, it seems quite damning. Unfortunately, I cannot connect to the link from work,

It says that it's taken from "You Gentiles", pages 152, 155 and 147, so he's made a quote out of excerpts from three different pages, all out of order.

:boggled:

Talk about taking things out of context and cherry picking.

[cwalner]

I have not read the book but I would not be surprised to find that the quote Magz gives is aimed at reporting the characterisation of the jew by some gentiles, rather than one he embraces. I say this because in the same book he is reported as saying " "From the dawn of civilization you have lied about us; you have accused us of murdering children that we might use their blood for ritual purposes; you have accused us of poisoning wells; you have accused us of precipitating wars (you! And war is the breath of your nostrils!); and you accuse us to-day of fomenting a world-wide conspiracy to seize the government of the world."

Thanks for the possible context, Fiona. Rereading the quote with what you said in mind, I can easlily see this coming from a very angry Jew, as a preamble to a diatribe explaining why these false assumptions are wrong. If that is the case, just quoting the set up that parrots the straw man about to be demolished and claiming it as the actual argument of the speaker is extremely dishonest. Also, as pardalis mentions (from what I am assuming is the wikipedia entry) the short quote actually comes from three different pages of the book. There must be a whole lot of context missing.

[dudalb]

Edited for Rule 12.

[NobbyNobbs]

"Jews the destroyers of nations"?

I'm Jewish, and I don't ever recall doing such a thing.


Although, there was that time I beat my friend in Risk.....

[Doctor Evil]

A sour old joke from prewar Germany has two elderly Jews sitting in a Berlin park, with one of them reading a Yiddish paper and the other one scanning the pages of Der Stürmer. The latter Jew is laughing. This proves too much for the former Jew, who says: “It’s not enough you read that Nazi rag, but you find it funny?” “Look,” replies the other. “If I read your paper, what do I see? Jews deported, Jews assaulted, Jews insulted, Jewish property confiscated. But I read Der Stürmer, and there’s finally some good news. It seems that we Jews own and control the whole world!”

linky (http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200803/hitchens-antisemitism)

[Alareth]

I expect nothing less from Anti-Semite, MaGZ.

[tomwaits]

Maybe they can team up with Galactus, the devourer of worlds?

[Bobert]

"Jews the destroyers of nations"?

I'm Jewish, and I don't ever recall doing such a thing.


Although, there was that time I beat my friend in Risk.....
ya sure right!
First its a simple board game the next thing you know the Jews are everywhere!!!!!!
LOOK!! OK....SERIOUSLY! JUST STOP!

[moon1969]

Jews always talk about Adolf Hitler but never about holodomor and Lazar Kaganovich. Maybe because Lazar Kaganovich was a jew who was responsbile for holodomor? Holodomor is genocide. Why wont Israel recognize Holodomor as genocide? Is it because Lazar Kaganovich was a jew?

[moon1969]

Never again will something like Holodomor happen. All nations should understand that Holodomor was a genocide and a jew Lazar Kaganovich is responsbile. When will Steven Spielberg make a film about Holodomor or is it that those ukranians were not important but only those jews who died in the holocaust? Holodomor was the holocaust of Ukraine.

[Thunder]

Jews always talk about Adolf Hitler but never about holodomor and Lazar Kaganovich. Maybe because Lazar Kaganovich was a jew who was responsbile for holodomor? Holodomor is genocide. Why wont Israel recognize Holodomor as genocide? Is it because Lazar Kaganovich was a jew?


The Ukrainians helped the SS murder 1 million Ukranian Jews. Why should we help you in any way?

[Gurdur]

Never again will something like Holodomor happen. All nations should understand that Holodomor was a genocide and a jew Lazar Kaganovich is responsbile.


This is complete rubbish, from beginning to end. The Holodomor happened in 1933, under the leadership of Stalin. Stalin, of course, was not a Jew, and was quite anti-semitic himself. Let's not forget all those pure-bred non-Jewish Ukranians who worked for Stalin, shall we?

Lazar Kaganovich was merely Stalin's voice, Stalin's puppet. Now go back and look at how many Ukranians were in the Communist Party.

[Fiona]

Jews always talk about Adolf Hitler but never about holodomor and Lazar Kaganovich. Maybe because Lazar Kaganovich was a jew who was responsbile for holodomor? Holodomor is genocide. Why wont Israel recognize Holodomor as genocide? Is it because Lazar Kaganovich was a jew?

I still don't think whitabootery is a strong argument. I think Lonewulf had a thread about it recently....

[NobbyNobbs]

Jews always talk about Adolf Hitler but never about holodomor and Lazar Kaganovich. Maybe because Lazar Kaganovich was a jew who was responsbile for holodomor? Holodomor is genocide. Why wont Israel recognize Holodomor as genocide? Is it because Lazar Kaganovich was a jew?

Even if Jews were responsible for that, which I don't bite, so what?

I don't hold modern day Germans in contempt just because Hitler was an evil sunnuvabitch.

[Thunder]

exactly. even if 10 of the highest bolsheviks were jews...so what? didnt the jews also suffer under the soviet gulag system?

what does 10...20..even 100 jewish soviet leaders have to do with 4 million soviet jewish citizens? only a bigot would make a connection.

my great uncle was a jew. he fought bravely for the soviet union. then the soviet union killed him in 1952.

[RedIbis]

MaGZ has a point. I am Jewish and very good at the Age of Empires series. Even more suspiciously, it is the only video game that I actually play. So what does that tell you?

[Dubbi]

There too many of these threads lately:

-MaGZ starts a thread about some anti-semitic B.S.
-Moon feels left out, and does his typical "Do you deny that X was a Jew?" contribution.
-Then as soon as anyone is about to reply to Moon, MaGZ outdoes Moon with a brand new post
-Somebody drives the point home that MaGZ is an idiot.
-Repeat.

Some advice:

MaGZ,

Starting a new thread is not the same as starting a new reputation. Save us the time, and just stick to the thread.

Moon,

You don't need MaGZ to start a thread for you. Take some initiative. There is no need to live in his shadow. Why does he always get to be Hitler, meanwhile you're stuck with sloppy-seconds Himmler? It's your time to break out, mein fuhrer!

[Doctor Evil]

MaGZ has a point. I am Jewish and very good at the Age of Empires series. Even more suspiciously, it is the only video game that I actually play. So what does that tell you?

That you need a new computer.

[RedIbis]

That you need a new computer.

The third one is fairly recent, and I built my computer recently, so it's quite powerful, but I discipline myself not to buy or play computer games because they can be addictive. For obvious reasons I can't resist Age of Empires.

If only they had a Kazar empire than I could really crush the entire world.

[MaGZ]

In regard to the first quote, Mr. Ledeen seems to be talking as a neocon, not as a Jew. If you read the we in the quote as referring to Americans, this quote is nothing more than a accurate representation of neocon ideas regarding American use of power. The same ideas held by people such as Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney (don't think either are Jews). The only difference is that Mr Rumsfeld and Mr. Cheney were actually in positions of power and iinfluence to put these ideas into action.

As to the second quote, it seems quite damning. Unfortunately, I cannot connect to the link from work, which means that the site is so out of mainstream, that our IT admins here have decided that just having that site open at my desk would constitute a hostile work environment for my co-workers, so I only have that information to go on to examine the accuracy and context of the quote.

It is my interpretation Ledeen is speaking as a Jew and not as a neocon or as an American. Can you cite a similar quote indicating a common theme of destruction which would refer to neoconservatism or anything relating to the American way?

I tided Ledeen’s comment to an infamous Jewish comment.

[MaGZ]

When you mention Jews, do you mean the religion, the ethnicity, or the genetic lineage? Or are you talking about relation to Israel?

I just don't get the broad brush strokes.

Jews as a race.

[Richard Masters]

Jews as a race.

How come?

[Horatius]

"Jews the destroyers of nations"?

I'm Jewish, and I don't ever recall doing such a thing.


Although, there was that time I beat my friend in Risk.....


"I am Become Jewish, The Destroyer of Worlds"

-Robert Oppenheimer, Noted Destroyer of Worlds.




MaGZ has a point. I am Jewish and very good at the Age of Empires series. Even more suspiciously, it is the only video game that I actually play. So what does that tell you?


That you need to try Civilization?




Some advice:

Moon,

You don't need MaGZ to start a thread for you. Take some initiative. There is no need to live in his shadow. Why does he always get to be Hitler, meanwhile you're stuck with sloppy-seconds Himmler? It's your time to break out, mein fuhrer!



Nominated this bit!

[MaGZ]

More on the theme of the Jews as destroyer.

From Dr. William L. Pierce:
http://www.natvan.com/pub/99/022799.txt

I want to read something to you which was written 75 years ago by one of our uninvited guests during a rare lapse into frankness. The guest's name was Maurice Samuel, and he was a very prominent and influential man among our guests. He was an active member of the Zionist Organization of America and the recipient of many awards from other Jewish organizations. He wrote 20 books, all of them dealing with Jewish topics. He was a Jew's Jew, a guest at the forefront of those hell-bent on remodeling our palace.

In 1924 Maurice Samuel wrote a book titled You Gentiles, and it was addressed to us. It is an amazing book, because in it Samuel explains to us in detail why the Jews are remodeling our palace for us. He explains that the natures of his people and our people are so different that nothing we do can be pleasing to Jews, and so they are changing everything to suit themselves. Of course, he explains all of this to us in a typically deceptive way. He tells us that all of the changes the Jews are making in our society are really good for us. And then he invites us to come to the banquet his fellow Jews are preparing for us in our own palace.

[MaGZ]

It says that it's taken from "You Gentiles", pages 152, 155 and 147, so he's made a quote out of excerpts from three different pages, all out of order.

:boggled:

Talk about taking things out of context and cherry picking.


Deal with this quote from You Gentiles

"We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain the destroyers forever. Nothing that you will do will meet our needs and demands. We will forever destroy because we need a world of our own, a God-world, which it is not in your nature to build."

[MaGZ]

Never again will something like Holodomor happen. All nations should understand that Holodomor was a genocide and a jew Lazar Kaganovich is responsbile. When will Steven Spielberg make a film about Holodomor or is it that those ukranians were not important but only those jews who died in the holocaust? Holodomor was the holocaust of Ukraine.

Jews the destroyer of one particular nation Ukraine
http://www.libreopinion.com/members/memoriapamiat/ukraine.htm

http://www.libreopinion.com/members/memoriapamiat/ukraine2.htm

http://www.libreopinion.com/members/memoriapamiat/ukraine3.htm

[MaGZ]

How come?

Why do you ask, how come?

[dudalb]

A Posthumous message from Jack Kirby, who was Jewish:http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_188404831d9f55208f.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=12253)

[NobbyNobbs]

Jews the destroyer of one particular nation Ukraine
http://www.libreopinion.com/members/memoriapamiat/ukraine.htm

http://www.libreopinion.com/members/memoriapamiat/ukraine2.htm

http://www.libreopinion.com/members/memoriapamiat/ukraine3.htm

Once again, why do you assume a few bad apples spoil the bunch?

What is your heritage? Whatever it is, I guarantee we could find some evil *&8&*er in the past, and then, if we wanted to be racist about it, use that as an excuse to hate you and all your kin.

[1337m4n]

MaGZ has a point. I am Jewish and very good at the Age of Empires series. Even more suspiciously, it is the only video game that I actually play. So what does that tell you?

Loser. Real men play Civilization.

[Pardalis]

Deal with this quote from You Gentiles

I'll do better than that, I'll read the book and see for myself.

[JoeyDonuts]

Loser. Real men play Civilization.

And oddly enough, I don't remember the Hebrews being one of the playable civilizations. So either Sid Meier is an anti-semite (despite the last name) or he's being paid by MossadNWO, or he's passive aggressive and insane.

[Doctor Evil]

And oddly enough, I don't remember the Hebrews being one of the playable civilizations. So either Sid Meier is an anti-semite (despite the last name) or he's being paid by MossadNWO, or he's passive aggressive and insane.

Alternatively, the Jews have not done enough destruction to get into the game.

[JoeyDonuts]

Alternatively, the Jews have not done enough destruction to get into the game.

Oh boy. This one's gonna come back with some stank on it.

[Richard Masters]

Why do you ask, how come?

As in, why do you assert that Jews (the race) are the destroyers of nations?

Other than a limited history of Israel (mostly the timeframe of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict) I'm not informed on why the Jewish race is to be feared or hated, even though I know that they are collectively regarded that way in some contexts.

I oppose unconditional (USA) alliances with the nation of Israel, but I have no personal ill-will toward Jewish people. Your opening post suggests that I (or anyone reading) should reconsider. How come?

[Doctor Evil]

Oh boy. This one's gonna come back with some stank on it.

:confused:

It seems to me you missed my intended meaning. To get into the game you had to have a large enough empire, which was never the case for the ancient Hebrews. How do you get an empire? By conquering and destroying enemies.

Ergo, the civ developers think that MaGZ is wrong, again.

[JoeyDonuts]

:confused:

It seems to me you missed my intended meaning. To get into the game you had to have a large enough empire, which was never the case for the ancient Hebrews. How do you get an empire? By conquering and destroying enemies.

Ergo, the civ developers think that MaGZ is wrong, again.

No, it is you who have misunderstood me. :D My trepidation was in anticipating the forthcoming stank from MaGZ regarding your comment about Jews not destroying anything. I can only imagine he's mining Stormfront and reading The Turner Diaries looking for inspiration for his next big zinger.

[Redtail]

Deal with this quote from You GentilesEven if that quote is in context, using that logic applied to "White guilt", I seem to be missing a 102" HD plasma screen... Y'all need to get on that.;)

[Zep]

I suspect MaGZ is simply indulging in his favourite game of "Wind-up". The rules are simple: Anyone who takes him seriously loses.

[timhau]

"Jews the destroyers of nations"?

I'm Jewish, and I don't ever recall doing such a thing.


Well, GET TO IT then, you slacker! There are still plenty of nations left in this world.

[chillzero]

Keep the thread on topic please. Discuss gaming in the Games section. If this thread continues to attract mod attention it will be placed on moderated status.

[1337m4n]

Keep the thread on topic please.

Chillz, you know I mean you no disrespect. But I can't for the life of me figure out what the topic of this thread is. The OP doesn't even make a point, he just throws a couple of out-of-context quotes at us and expects some kind of discourse to result.

It's like if I started a thread entitled "Black People" and my OP was nothing but some pictures of clowns. What's the topic supposed to be? How are people supposed to respond?

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Jews as a race.

MaGZ, I'd like to ask you a question.

Why are you anti-semitic? You seem to be quoting what you think is Jewish Supremacist stuff and blaming it on all Jews. It doesn't make sense.

Every race has racists who think their race is the supreme race above all others. There's plenty of white supremacists and people who criticize them aren't racist against white people. And they are not accused of being racist against whites either.

I'm sure their are Jewish Supremacists out there, just as there are white Supremacists, and it's OK to criticize either.

But why the Anti-semitism? Why are all Jews bad or inferior? Or what other negative traits you accuse them of?

[Thunder]

anyone who thinks ALL jews..or ALL arab..or ALL muslims..or ALL blacks..are evil or inferior..are themselves wicked and inferior.

racism and bigotry is dumb. i dont care who it comes from.

[Tin Foil Timothy]

anyone who thinks ALL jews..or ALL arab..or ALL muslims..or ALL blacks..are evil or inferior..are themselves wicked and inferior.

racism and bigotry is dumb. i dont care who it comes from.

For sure. But I'd like to know why MAGZ thinks this way.

[Thunder]

why is it hard to understand? some people are just motivated by irrational bigotry. there is no rhyme or reason to it. bigotry doesnt have to make sense. dont stress about it.

[MarkCorrigan]

Ah man, you mean Jews just destroy everyone else to create an all Jewish world?

Well that sucks....Unless.....Hey MaGZ, assuming that the Jews succeed, since I'm like, dating and in love with one, do you think I'll be spared just because I'm not Jewish? Man, I hope so...it's stuff like this and the whole "control of the world" thing that makes me glad to be getting in on the Jewish game, you know?

Although, I'll have to ask her to bring up the point when she goes to the next meeting that destroying the world you already control seems a bit....stupid. Ah well, sure they have their own reasons.

[MaGZ]

As in, why do you assert that Jews (the race) are the destroyers of nations?

Other than a limited history of Israel (mostly the timeframe of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict) I'm not informed on why the Jewish race is to be feared or hated, even though I know that they are collectively regarded that way in some contexts.

I oppose unconditional (USA) alliances with the nation of Israel, but I have no personal ill-will toward Jewish people. Your opening post suggests that I (or anyone reading) should reconsider. How come?

The Jew of today is the same as the Jew two thousand years ago. Some may debate if they are a race, religion, or people but one thing is certain they are a unique people with a separate identity. I prefer to think of them as a race.

I presented two examples of Jews who see themselves as destroyers. I would recommend you read Imperium to understand the Jew.

http://www.vaidilute.com/books/imperium/imperium-contents.html

[MaGZ]

I'll do better than that, I'll read the book and see for myself.

You and others can find the book here.

http://www.jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/yougentiles.pdf

[MaGZ]

A REAL CASE AGAINST THE JEWS
Their worst crime against the West: Christianity

http://www.solargeneral.com/mirrors/JR%20Books%20Online/www.jrbooksonline.com/HTML-docs/A%20REAL%20CASE%20AGAINST%20THE%20JEWS_final.htm

[applecorped]

A REAL CASE AGAINST THE JEWS
Their worst crime against the West: Christianity

http://www.solargeneral.com/mirrors/JR%20Books%20Online/www.jrbooksonline.com/HTML-docs/A%20REAL%20CASE%20AGAINST%20THE%20JEWS_final.htm



You're not even trying anymore. :(

[MarkCorrigan]

Seriously, MaGZ, is my girlfriend evil/out to get everyone else/controlling the world? If not, why not? She's Jewish, after all. Are they not all in on it, or is it just some of them?

If it's a limited number, which ones? Why them?

[Horatius]

Seriously, MaGZ, is my girlfriend evil/out to get everyone else/controlling the world?




Well, yeah, of course!



I mean, she's a girl, right?

[MarkCorrigan]

Well, yeah, of course!



I mean, she's a girl, right?

True...true. I wonder if female Jews are even worse than male ones?

You bring up an interesting point there....:D

[Baby Nemesis]

I presented two examples of Jews who see themselves as destroyers. I would recommend you read Imperium to understand the Jew.

While a lot of Jews might have attitudes in common, you make it sound as if they're all clones. Jews like the one whose story I linked to here earlier surely can't have wanted to destroy the world:

I was 16 when the horror began. My well to do, Orthodox Jewish family lived in the district of Lubar a town about 120 miles southwest of Kyiv. ...

Living conditions in the former convent/orphanage were brutal. We were confined to small rooms or cells where people had to sleep standing. As many as 80 to 100 hungry people were “canned” into these cells. There were no wash basins. I would often use the condensation on the windowpanes of our cell to wash my face. Feeding us was never a concern of the police guarding us. The common attitude among them was “Jews never eat anyway, it’s unthinkable.” Occasionally
a peasant would come to the ghetto and deliver a bucket of potatoes. It was never enough of course and so there was always a mad scramble just to get hold of one. The beauty of autumn could not alleviate the crying, hunger, misery and death that enveloped our once happy and prosperous community. Our presence in the ghetto became something of an attraction for the townsfolk. They would come to the courtyard and gaze at us as people do when they visit a zoo.
One of the pleasantries I did experience was a weekly visit by a dear childhood friend of mine, Nina. She had not collaborated with the new regime and walked the 15 kilometers from Velikovolitzeh to bring me some food of toasted bread. This was considered food, as it was all that most common people had to eat in those days. ...

It's the story of how her and her five-year-old brother managed to escape.

[Skeptic]

Jeez (er... wasn't he a Jew, too? But I digress...), I wish they'd make up their minds. Either the Jews are the all-powerful destroyers of nations, controllers of the world, and so on, or else they are the sub-human inferiors soon to be eradiated. It can hardly be both.

Anyway, if the Jews are so friggin' powerful, where's my piece of the action? Somebody in the secret Jewish world government screwed up -- I'm a Jew, and somehow I don't have single gentile servant to abuse. What's the hold-up?

[Skeptic]

Apparently, MaGZ is a follower of Odin and/or the "Identity" movement -- the religion of the White (Trash) Race. Either that or -- as I suspect -- he's simply a troll pretending to be a White-power nut.

[1337m4n]

A REAL CASE AGAINST THE JEWS
Their worst crime against the West: Christianity

http://www.solargeneral.com/mirrors/JR%20Books%20Online/www.jrbooksonline.com/HTML-docs/A%20REAL%20CASE%20AGAINST%20THE%20JEWS_final.htm

This reads like a joke (a la Modest Proposal), making fun of Jew-haters like you.

[Skeptic]

I wish, again, they'd make up their mind. First these white-power folks bend our ear about how the world is FOR THE STRONG, how THE WEAK MUST PERISH, how MORALITY IS FOR INFERIORS, and so on.

Then, they whine and say, "Mommy! That Jew uses IMMORAL WAYS to HURT WEAKER NATIONS!!!".

Well, if they do, what's the problem?

[firecoins]

I presented two examples of Jews who see themselves as destroyers.
http://www.vaidilute.com/books/imperium/imperium-contents.html
I am a Jew. I am not a destroyer.

You havde 2 Jews as destroyers and 1 that isn't.

[dudalb]

[quote]Then, they whine and say, "Mommy! That Jew uses IMMORAL WAYS to HURT WEAKER NATIONS!!!". [\quote]

Just like the Nazis began whining when the "Decadent Jew Controlled Democracies" and "The Inferior Races" kicked their butts in World War 2.

[Richard Masters]

The Jew of today is the same as the Jew two thousand years ago. Some may debate if they are a race, religion, or people but one thing is certain they are a unique people with a separate identity. I prefer to think of them as a race.

I presented two examples of Jews who see themselves as destroyers. I would recommend you read Imperium to understand the Jew.

http://www.vaidilute.com/books/imperium/imperium-contents.html

Just wanted to acknowledge your post. I'm reading through the material.

[Ivan The Song Boy]

The Jew of today is the same as the Jew two thousand years ago. Some may debate if they are a race, religion, or people but one thing is certain they are a unique people with a separate identity. I prefer to think of them as a race.

I presented two examples of Jews who see themselves as destroyers. I would recommend you read Imperium to understand the Jew.


Clearly, there are people on this earth of ours who have a difficult time observing human behavior in it's totality. I admit, it can be hard to see our selves as one species. But we are. Those of us who fall short here once in a while ,{all of us}, normally charge ahead knowing that we are really, all the same. We have weak moments where we exhibit anger toward one cultural group over another but we come to our senses because we are able to look at ourselves, at our own "group" and plainly see that we as white, Black, Brown, are as flawed as anyone else.

I have a strong belief that those who somehow can not manage this over time, lack the basic intellectual power to do so. In short, they are weak minded and simply not as smart as the rest of us. Bigot's and Racists are simply stupid people. I know, I know, many have degrees from fine schools and all the rest but this alone should not be how we measure intelligence.

It's a lack of wisdom. A refusal to self explore. The easy way out. The blame game. The tantrum. It's dumb and childish..

NOTE: I had to delete the u-r-l because I am new.

Ivan........................

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Come on MaGZ !!!!

I repeat my questions. Please don't ignore them!!

MaGZ, I'd like to ask you a question.

Why are you anti-semitic? You seem to be quoting what you think is Jewish Supremacist stuff and blaming it on all Jews. It doesn't make sense.

Every race has racists who think their race is the supreme race above all others. There's plenty of white supremacists and people who criticize them aren't racist against white people. And they are not accused of being racist against whites either.

I'm sure their are Jewish Supremacists out there, just as there are white Supremacists, and it's OK to criticize either.

But why the Anti-semitism? Why are all Jews bad or inferior? Or what other negative traits you accuse them of?

[Gaspode]

Some posts have been moved to AAH. Remember to attack the argument, not the arguer.

[dafydd]

What is AAH?

[chillzero]

The forum section called Abandon All Hope.

http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=58

[/off topic]

[LibraryLady]

Come on MaGZ !!!!

I repeat my questions. Please don't ignore them!!

MaGZ has a history of not answering straightforward questions. He just starts another thread.

[Cleon]

I presented two examples of Jews who see themselves as destroyers.

Well, I certainly don't see myself as a destroyer.

I've always felt I was more of a light cruiser.

[1337m4n]

Most of the Jews I know are frigates.

[moon1969]

Rosa Luxemburg-jew
Emma Goldman-jew
Abram Leon-jew
Karl Marx-jew
Lev Kamenev-jew
Grigory Zinoviev-jew
Yakov Sverdlov-jew
Leon Trotsky-jew
Moisei Uritsky-jew
Grigory Sokolnikov-jew
Isaac Nachman Steinberg-jew
Semyon Dimanstein-jew
Lazar Kaganovich-jew


One wonders how come so many communist are jews? So why should I not believe that jews invented and created communism? I also heard that the Rothschild family funded Vladimir Lenin and the Russian revolution.

[moon1969]

Duplicate posts merged

[Thunder]

Rosa Luxemburg-jew
Emma Goldman-jew
Abram Leon-jew
Karl Marx-jew
Lev Kamenev-jew
Grigory Zinoviev-jew
Yakov Sverdlov-jew
Leon Trotsky-jew
Moisei Uritsky-jew
Grigory Sokolnikov-jew
Isaac Nachman Steinberg-jew
Semyon Dimanstein-jew
Lazar Kaganovich-jew
Noam Chomsky-jew
Lenni Brenner-jew

One wonders how come so many communist are jews? So why should I not believe that jews invented and created communism? I also heard that the Rothschild family funded Vladimir Lenin and the Russian revolution.

Moon1969- so far, about 90% of your posts have been about Jews, and all have been negative. Do you honestly believe that your obsession with Jews is a healthy one? Its just an honest question, my friend. I think a self-evaluation may be in order.

[sleeplessdwarf]

I heard the Black Pope created communism and I'm pretty sure he is catholic. Unless you mean jew as a race, then I just do not have an answer. :D

[Thunder]

please tell me you can talk about something other then Jews.

This is from Wikipedia..and debunks any notion that ALL or even MOST Soviet Communist leaders were Jewish.

A high percentage of ethnic Jews in comparison to the percentage of the total population took an active part in Bolshevik movement and revolutionary leadership before the revolution and for years after[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism#cite_note-madiyevsky-6)[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism#cite_note-laqueur-7) - see details below. Most of these Jews were hostile to traditional Jewish culture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_culture) and Jewish political parties, and were eager to prove their loyalty to the Communist Party's atheism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism) and proletarian internationalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletarian_internationalism), and committed to stamp out any sign of "Jewish cultural particularism".

Of the 21 membrs of the Central Committee (CC) of the Bolshevik party in April 1917[1] (http://www.marxists.org/subject/bolsheviks/index.htm), three were of Jewish descent: (Lev Kamenev (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Kamenev), Grigory Zinoviev (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Zinoviev) and Yakov Sverdlov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Sverdlov). Of the thirteen committee members who, during a historic meeting on October 10, 1917, agreed for the necessity of armed revolution (leading to the October Revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution)), six were Jewish (Zinoviev, Kamenev, Leon Trotsky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Trotsky), Moisei Uritsky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moisei_Uritsky), Sverdlov, and Grigory Sokolnikov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Sokolnikov), although Kamenev and Zinoviev opposed the revolution, and Trotsky abstained.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism#cite_note-8)

Out of Lenin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin)'s 15 Peoples' Commissars (Narkoms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narkom)) in 1919, six were Jewish (Trotsky, Uritsky, Isaac Steinberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Steinberg), I. A. Teodorovich (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=I._A._Teodorovich&action=edit&redlink=1), Semyon Dimanstein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semyon_Dimanstein) and Sokolnikov).[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] Among the 23 Narkoms between 1923–1930, there were twelve Russians, five Jews, two Georgians (Stalin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin) and Ordzhonikidze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordzhonikidze)), one Pole, one Moldavian, one Latvian, and one Ukrainian. The situation had clearly evolved, within a relatively short time, to the advantage of the Russian majority.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] In the 1930s, there was one person of Jewish descent in the Politburo (Lazar Kaganovich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_Kaganovich)).

In 1922, of the 44,148 members of the Bolshevik party that had joined before 1917 (the Old Guard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Bolsheviks), as Lenin referred to them) 7.1% were Jewish (65% were Russian).[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
The number of Jews in top administrative positions began to decline soon after 1917.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] It continued to shrink heavily in the 1930s when Stalin had his old comrades Kamenev and Zinoviev executed while in prison, after a rigged trial in 1936. Kamenev and Zinoviev had previously been expelled, in 1926 and 1927, from the top positions they shared with Stalin in the Soviet ruling elite. Leon Trotsky had concurrently been expelled from the Soviet Union in 1927 and was then assassinated in Mexico City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City) in 1940, by Soviet agent Ramón Mercader (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram%C3%B3n_Mercader).

Thus by the year 1940, and after his rapprochement with Hitler's Germany, Stalin had eliminated virtually all Jews from very high level government positions inside the Soviet Union.

Moderators: I know it is forbidden to post all the text of a copyrighted article, but I assumed posting some of a Wikipedia article was ok. sorry if I am mistaken.

[defaultdotxbe]

Karl Marx-jew

Did jews invent communism or not?
well, in this way a jew invented (or at least popularized) communism

although i fail to see the relavance, mussolini was catholic, does that mean catholics invented fascism?

[moon1969]

Here is what communism did to my country and my people the karelians
Joseph Stalin starts the winter war on 1939 by shooting The Shelling of Mainila and blaming it on Finland
Soviet Union army
1,000,000 men
6,541 tanks
3,800 aircraft

Finland army
250,000 men
30 tanks
130 aircraft

Result over 400 000 karelians lose their home and Karelia is lost to the Soviet Union. Its funny how many grandfather who was a karelian spent like 5 years in the finnish army because he had no home and no money. He used to live in Impilahti Karelia but he lost everything Because of Joseph Stalin. I wonder if the thought police in this forum will delete my post? I"m just trying to make people understand why I hate communist and the fact that jews got their own country in 1948 but the victims of communism didn"t get anything. :mad:

[moon1969]

Sure look at what jewish Soviet Union did to Finland
Continuation War 25 June 1941–19 September 1944
Soviet Union army
900,000–1,500,000 soldiers

Finland and Nazi Germany
530,000 Finns
220,000 Germans

Also americans should remember the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. :mad:

[quixotecoyote]

If it ever meets a train going the other direction, your mind is screwed, brother.

[defaultdotxbe]

Joseph Stalin starts the winter war on 1939 by shooting The Shelling of Mainila and blaming it on Finland
stalin? didnt see him on your list of jews

[Thunder]

Sure look at what jewish Soviet Union did to Finland
Continuation War 25 June 1941–19 September 1944
Soviet Union army
900,000–1,500,000 soldiers

Finland and Nazi Germany
530,000 Finns
220,000 Germans

Also americans should remember the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. :mad:

you blaim the Molotov-Rippentrof pact..on Jews? do you know what that pact meant for the Jews of Poland??

death. certain and utter death. how in the world can you blaim that on Jews?

you are making no sense my friend. none whatsoever. the number of high position jews in the 1930s was maybe 5. most powerful people in the USSR were non-Jews. so why do you target the jews? please explain.

[MarkCorrigan]

Here is what communism did to my country and my people the karelians
Joseph Stalin starts the winter war on 1939 by shooting The Shelling of Mainila and blaming it on Finland
Soviet Union army
1,000,000 men
6,541 tanks
3,800 aircraft

Finland army
250,000 men
30 tanks
130 aircraft

Result over 400 000 karelians lose their home and Karelia is lost to the Soviet Union. Its funny how many grandfather who was a karelian spent like 5 years in the finnish army because he had no home and no money. He used to live in Impilahti Karelia but he lost everything Because of Joseph Stalin. I wonder if the thought police in this forum will delete my post? I"m just trying to make people understand why I hate communist and the fact that jews got their own country in 1948 but the victims of communism didn"t get anything. :mad:
Umm....why bring the jews into this exactly? What, a few Jewish people prospered under a regime that first accepted and then brutalised them, therefore jews are evil?

Pardon me for being entirely underwhelmed.

[sleeplessdwarf]

moon, can you please explain how those horrible things affect your life today? There are many people in the world that have had horrible things done to their ancestors. There are many more that have things being done to them personally today. You are starting to sound like the black people in america who hate all white because of slavery. Many african americans do not share this hate and lead nice productive lives happy. The ones who live in the past are as miserable as that past. I do not belittle your history, but you will solve nothing by posting anti jewish threads in jref.

[Thunder]

im still waiting for him to justify his obsession with the Jews, considering almost all of the Soviets who killed his people were not Jewish.

The USA was founded by white protestants from England. does that mean that we should blaim white english protestants for the Iraq war? According to Moon's logic, the answer is yes.

[moon1969]

How many of you jews know that Soviet Union sent over 30,000 Ingrian Finns to Siberia after WW2 was over? Oh but it doesn"t matter if FDR or Truman didn"t say anything about that the important thing is that jews victims of the holocaust got Israel in 1948. Who cares about the victims of communism? Do you jews thing that those 30,000 Ingrian Finns enjoyed the Siberian gulag where Joseph Stalin sent them? :mad: It is a fact that many communists were jews.

[MarkCorrigan]

It is a fact that many communists were jews.

As one who studies the Soviet Union on a regular basis....no, it really really isn't.

[Thunder]

How many of you jews know that Soviet Union sent over 30,000 Ingrian Finns to Siberia after WW2 was over? Oh but it doesn"t matter if FDR or Truman didn"t say anything about that the important thing is that jews victims of the holocaust got Israel in 1948. Who cares about the victims of communism? Do you jews thing that those 30,000 Ingrian Finns enjoyed the Siberian gulag where Joseph Stalin sent them? :mad: It is a fact that many communists were jews.

The majority of the people who founded the Soviet Union were Christians. The GREAT majority of the Soviet soldiers and leadership who persecuted the Finns, the Tatars, and all the other persecuted minorities, were CHRISTIANS.

Yet, you blaim the Jews. the 1 or 2 jews in power. why is that? why dont you blaim the Russian Christians who were the overwhelming majority of the Communist Party and the Politburo? why do you ONLY blaim the Jews???

my uncle, jan slava, was a hero in the Czech army during ww2. we have a picture of him recieving a medal from Marshall Zhukov and President Benes. he was given a high position in the Czech Foreign Ministry. in 1952, stalin decided that my great uncle, was really a Nazi spy, and he was killed. should I blaim "the Jews" for killing my Jewish great-uncle?

no. I blaim the authoritarian evil Soviet regime. all soviet leadership is guilty of these crimes. be they jew, christian, russian, pole, german, ukrainian, etc.

blaiming "the jews"...is just pure bigotry....my friend. learn to fight bigotry.

[Doctor Evil]

Are we playing the bigot's favourite game, 'spot the Jew', again??

This is getting very repetitive. How about a different game. Maybe spot the left handed Communists. Or the ones with six fingers?

Give us a break. :mad:

[MarkCorrigan]

Are we playing the bigot's favourite game, 'spot the Jew', again??

This is getting very repetitive. How about a different game. Maybe spot the left handed Communists. Or the ones with six fingers?

Give us a break. :mad:
If you were looking for ones with webbed hands, I can think of a biggie.

(Joseph Stalin)

[Thunder]

you know, the really sad and stupid thing about all this is, one of the best ways to get a cause or agenda to be well known, is to get the Jews on board. talking about persecution of the Tatars, the Finns, the Jews, and others by the Soviets...will get a TON of attention.

blaiming the Jews for these persecutions, and making believe the Jews were responsible and were treated with kid gloves by the USSR, is a road to no where.

[sleeplessdwarf]

moon, my grandfather on moms side is from Czechoslovakia. He told stories of bad things. My real dad is half Saudi. Bad things everywhere. What does having all this hate do for you? Does joining the anti semite bandwagon make you sleep better? If you really feel this much about injustice, go to Darfur and help people who are suffering right now. Get off your soapbox dude.

[defaultdotxbe]

How many of you jews know that Soviet Union sent over 30,000 Ingrian Finns to Siberia after WW2 was over? Oh but it doesn"t matter if FDR or Truman didn"t say anything about that the important thing is that jews victims of the holocaust got Israel in 1948. Who cares about the victims of communism? Do you jews thing that those 30,000 Ingrian Finns enjoyed the Siberian gulag where Joseph Stalin sent them? :mad: It is a fact that many communists were jews.
no i dont think the finns enjoyed the siberian gulag, i dont think my great uncle enjoyed it much either

i dont blame the jews for what happened to my great uncle, nor do i blame the russians, or anyone

[Thunder]

oh, by the way, the Soviets also took my great-grandfather's tobacco farm in Eastern Slovakia/Western Ukraine. and they stole my grandmothers house in Prague.

do i blaim "the jews?" no. do i blaim "the russians"? no.

i blaim the soviet union. i blaim communism. i blaim stalin, and kruschev, and all the other soviet sheep that were "just following orders".

[Cleon]

Result over 400 000 karelians lose their home and Karelia is lost to the Soviet Union. Its funny how many grandfather who was a karelian spent like 5 years in the finnish army because he had no home and no money. He used to live in Impilahti Karelia but he lost everything Because of Joseph Stalin. I wonder if the thought police in this forum will delete my post? I"m just trying to make people understand why I hate communist and the fact that jews got their own country in 1948 but the victims of communism didn"t get anything. :mad:

Uh, you know Stalin wasn't Jewish, right?

In fact, he hated Jews about as much as you do.

[Thunder]

Uh, you know Stalin wasn't Jewish, right?

In fact, he hated Jews about as much as you do.

ahh..thats what "the Jews" WANT you to believe!!!

:D

[JoeyDonuts]

Are we playing the bigot's favourite game, 'spot the Jew', again??

This is getting very repetitive. How about a different game. Maybe spot the left handed Communists. Or the ones with six fingers?

Give us a break. :mad:

I've already played "Spot the Loony" with this thread. Tweren't hard. :D

[Thunder]

Well, I certainly don't see myself as a destroyer.

I've always felt I was more of a light cruiser.

I've planted thousands of trees in my lifetime. Helped trim trails and stabilize paths and roads. Now I help make sure parks are built well and safely and make sure the taxpayer's dollars are well spent. I am certainly no "destroyer".

[Doctor Evil]

I've already played "Spot the Loony" with this thread. Tweren't hard. :D

I don't know why, but the term 'target rich environment' comes to mind.

[gtc]

How many of you jews know that Soviet Union sent over 30,000 Ingrian Finns to Siberia after WW2 was over?

That particular event may or may not be well known but the terrible actions of the Soviet Union within its borders and within its client states is very well known.

Oh but it doesn"t matter if FDR or Truman didn"t say anything about that the important thing is that jews victims of the holocaust got Israel in 1948.

And the Finns have Finland.

You are also overlooking the enormous amount of effort and treasure that the US expended in helping to keep the Soviet Union out of Finland during the Cold War despite the close relationship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finlandization) that President Urho Kekkonen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urho_Kekkonen)enjoyed with the USSR.

And the overall effort that Western Nations put into the Cold War. We weren't on the Soviet side.

[timhau]

And the Finns have Finland.

Yeah, but we wanted something warmer. Something with beaches and a better soccer team.

[Foolmewunz]

That particular event may or may not be well known but the terrible actions of the Soviet Union within its borders and within its client states is very well known.



And the Finns have Finland.

You are also overlooking the enormous amount of effort and treasure that the US expended in helping to keep the Soviet Union out of Finland during the Cold War despite the close relationship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finlandization) that President Urho Kekkonen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urho_Kekkonen)enjoyed with the USSR.

And the overall effort that Western Nations put into the Cold War. We weren't on the Soviet side.

Yeah, we weren't on their side for 'lo those 50 years, but we sure were in the 40s, so that must prove something. Oh, that's right.... The Jews and Commies did it!

Really, Moon... Does every thought in every thread lead back to "Waaaah! How come no one ever says anything bad about the Russians and what they did?" Not only is that rather pathetic, but as has been shown so often, is TOTALLY WRONG. The USA had no love for the USSR. Sure, they may have avoided mention of some major league nastiness back in '44 and '45, but there have been over six decades pass by since then.

Did you not get any of the newspapers of the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s? Seems that whole bunches of idealogues made their careers in America by bashing the Soviet Union - Russia - Communism.

And as GTC wisely notes, maybe you need to start closer to home. Finland hasn't been doing a whole lot to bring this to the daily attention of the media, have they. Are there Jews running Finland? Or might it be that this is from sixty-five frakkin' years ago??!!!

In fact, through the height (depth?) of the Cold War, Finland basically ran an offshore department store, through Kotka, for the Soviets, being the staging area and holding pen for all the luxury goods that the Commissars and other privileged comrades got from The West.

As to the Jewish Communists train of thought? Huh? So what?!!? There are also Jewish Democrats, Jewish Socialists, Jewish Republicans, Jewis Conservatives, Jewish Labourites, etc... etc... etc... ad nauseum. And school teachers, and merchants, and bricklayers, and farmers, and actuaries, and Mets fans, and ice skaters and go kart owners, and, well... members of all kinds of professions and jobs and sections of society. So What??!!!

[timhau]

Are there Jews running Finland?

Well, one of our 200 MPs is Jewish, so...

[JoeyDonuts]

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz
Are there Jews running Finland?

Originally Posted by timhau
Well, one of our 200 MPs is Jewish, so...

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[timhau]

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[Travis]

Funny how the Jews are supposedly simultaneously responsible for fascism and communism.

If it were true it'd actually be a huge accomplishment.

[Disenchanted]

Funny how the Jews are supposedly simultaneously responsible for fascism and communism.

If it were true it'd actually be a huge accomplishment.

Even funnier is that Moon69 included Emma Goldman on his list, who was an anarchist. So would that mean Jews are responsible for anarchism as well?

[JoeyDonuts]

Divide By Zero = Jews.

[Thunder]

Those damn Jews are responsible for ___________!!!!!! (enter your disliked political movement or event here).

[Baby Nemesis]

Most people know it's not really the Jews who cause the world's problems. It's ...

Well, if it said it in a South Park song, it must be true:

Sheila: Times have changed
Our kids are getting worse
They won't obey their parents
They just want to fart and curse! ...
Everyone: Blame Canada
Sheila: With all their beady little eyes
And flapping heads so full of lies
Everyone: Blame Canada ...
Sheila: It seems that everything's gone wrong
Since Canada came along
Everyone: Blame Canada ...
We must blame them and cause a fuss
Before somebody thinks of blaming uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus!!!!

[Horatius]

Most people know it's not really the Jews who cause the world's problems. It's ...

Well, if it said it in a South Park song, it must be true:



Look buddy, our government has apologized for Bryan Adams on several occasions!

[timhau]

Look buddy, our government has apologized for Bryan Adams on several occasions!

Sure, but now you're trying to bring back Claude Lemieux, you bastards!

[quarky]

I blame Sammy Davis Jr for almost everything. Because he only had one eye.

[LibraryLady]

Those damn Jews are responsible for ___________!!!!!! (enter your disliked political movement or event here).

Men's shirts buttoning on the wrong side. Garment industry=Jews=sartorial conspiracy.

Dammit.

[Cleon]

Look buddy, our government has apologized for Bryan Adams on several occasions!

What about William Shatner, eh? Canadian and Jewish!

[headscratcher4]

And, he grew up in French Canada...if that doesn't say it all...

[Horatius]

What about William Shatner, eh? Canadian and Jewish!



So let the Jews apologize for that one!


Then they can do communism! :boxedin:

[defaultdotxbe]

Men's shirts buttoning on the wrong side. Garment industry=Jews=sartorial conspiracy.

Dammit.
pfft, womens shirts are the ones that button on the wrong side

[Tin Foil Timothy]

When you are ready MaGZ .....

MaGZ, I'd like to ask you a question.

Why are you anti-semitic? You seem to be quoting what you think is Jewish Supremacist stuff and blaming it on all Jews. It doesn't make sense.

Every race has racists who think their race is the supreme race above all others. There's plenty of white supremacists and people who criticize them aren't racist against white people. And they are not accused of being racist against whites either.

I'm sure there are Jewish Supremacists out there, just as there are white Supremacists, and it's OK to criticize either.

But why the Anti-semitism? Why are all Jews bad or inferior? Or what other negative traits you accuse them of?

[quarky]

Capt. Kirk morphed into Denny Crane for me. I had no idea he's a Jew. Another point for the 'radical jew agenda camp'.

The radical gay agenda is bad enough, but god forbid it ever merge with the Jew agenda.
A radical gay jew agenda could tear the moral fabric into shreds

(and then use the shreds of fabric to create some fabulous new look)

[dudalb]

And, he grew up in French Canada...if that doesn't say it all...


Ever see a movie called "The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz" starring Richard Dreyfuss as a Jewish Kid growing up in Montreal? Great movie.

[Corsair 115]

Look buddy, our government has apologized for Bryan Adams on several occasions!


But did we apologize for Celine Dion too? I can't remember.

[LibraryLady]

Irving Berlin-Jew
George Gershwin-Jew
Dinah Shore-Jew
Herb Alpert-Jew
Bette Midler-Jew
Bob Dylan-Jew
Leonard Bernstein-Jew
Mama Cass Elliot-Jew
Kinky Friedman-Jew
Sammy Davis, Jr. -Jew
Paul Simon-Jew
Art Garfunkel-Jew
Ringo Starr’s Stepfather-Jew


OMG! The Jews invented music!

[LibraryLady]

But did we apologize for Celine Dion too? I can't remember.

Well, somebody needs to.

[Thunder]

:DIrving Berlin-Jew
George Gershwin-Jew
Dinah Shore-Jew
Herb Alpert-Jew
Bette Midler-Jew
Bob Dylan-Jew
Leonard Bernstein-Jew
Mama Cass Elliot-Jew
Kinky Friedman-Jew
Sammy Davis, Jr. -Jew
Paul Simon-Jew
Art Garfunkel-Jew
Ringo Starr’s Stepfather-Jew


OMG! The Jews invented music!

no....but we perfected it. :D

[Foolmewunz]

Ever see a movie called "The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz" starring Richard Dreyfuss as a Jewish Kid growing up in Montreal? Great movie.

Better book, by the way.

And read his (Mordecai Richler) "St. Urbain's Horseman" once you've finished Duddy... it's a great work.

[timhau]

OMG! The Jews invented music!

And then they destroyed it.

z7oU9cdBHd8

[dudalb]

Irving Berlin-Jew
George Gershwin-Jew
Dinah Shore-Jew
Herb Alpert-Jew
Bette Midler-Jew
Bob Dylan-Jew
Leonard Bernstein-Jew
Mama Cass Elliot-Jew
Kinky Friedman-Jew
Sammy Davis, Jr. -Jew
Paul Simon-Jew
Art Garfunkel-Jew
Ringo Starr’s Stepfather-Jew


OMG! The Jews invented music!



"They Ain't Making Jews Like Jesus Anymore".....

[Tin Foil Timothy]

MaGZ, I'd like to ask you a question.

Why are you anti-semitic? You seem to be quoting what you think is Jewish Supremacist stuff and blaming it on all Jews. It doesn't make sense.

Every race has racists who think their race is the supreme race above all others. There's plenty of white supremacists and people who criticize them aren't racist against white people. And they are not accused of being racist against whites either.

I'm sure there are Jewish Supremacists out there, just as there are white Supremacists, and it's OK to criticize either.

But why the Anti-semitism? Why are all Jews bad or inferior? Or what other negative traits you accuse them of?

[Skeptic]

TFT:

MaGZ believes Jews are inferior subhumans... AND that they somehow manage to control the entire planet. Also, MaGZ believes that might makes right and that morality is a tool invented by the Jews to pervert the natural order where the stronger rules... AND that it evil of the Jews to destroy other nations.

Yes, I don't get it, either.

If the Jews are so subhuman, how come they control the planet in the first place? If they do control the planet, doesn't that mean they're stronger, so they should destroy those who are weaker? But here I go again, expecting logic from a holocaust denier. The old "I hate Jews because they deny the divinity of Jesus" antisemitism was, at least, internally consistent.

[Tin Foil Timothy]

TFT:

MaGZ believes Jews are inferior subhumans... AND that they somehow manage to control the entire planet. Also, MaGZ believes that might makes right and that morality is a tool invented by the Jews to pervert the natural order where the stronger rules... AND that it evil of the Jews to destroy other nations.

Yes, I don't get it, either.

If the Jews are so subhuman, how come they control the planet in the first place? If they do control the planet, doesn't that mean they're stronger, so they should destroy those who are weaker? But here I go again, expecting logic from a holocaust denier. The old "I hate Jews because they deny the divinity of Jesus" antisemitism was, at least, internally consistent.

MaGZ should pony up and tell us why he is anti-semitic. He is obviously avoiding the questions. I am surprised as he wasn't shy about declaring the Holocaust a fake.

[Thunder]

MaGz avoids any question that requires an actual opinion.

[LibraryLady]

MaGz avoids any question that requires an actual opinion.

Or actual information.

[firecoins]

MagZ is done. Ispoke with the Israeli Jewish mafia. Once they are done destroying India, they will work on MagZ.

Yitzacka Dov - Jew, CPA, Lawyer, MD, MPH and Real Estate Guru.

Its a joke. Because I am a Jew I am also a comedian. Any good ideas on what comedy club I could destroy?

[Baby Nemesis]

They won't want to bother with the little people. Here's the scoop! (http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/tandem.html) Someone knows the truth. They wrote all about Jews destroying the world via weapons lobbed from alien spaceships. Yep, the Jews are coming! Jews from other planets! We're doomed!

[MaGZ]

TFT:

MaGZ believes Jews are inferior subhumans... AND that they somehow manage to control the entire planet. Also, MaGZ believes that might makes right and that morality is a tool invented by the Jews to pervert the natural order where the stronger rules... AND that it evil of the Jews to destroy other nations.

Yes, I don't get it, either.

If the Jews are so subhuman, how come they control the planet in the first place? If they do control the planet, doesn't that mean they're stronger, so they should destroy those who are weaker? But here I go again, expecting logic from a holocaust denier. The old "I hate Jews because they deny the divinity of Jesus" antisemitism was, at least, internally consistent.

Prove that I have said these things.

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Prove that I have said these things.


Well Skeptic did once make a post accusing me of hating all kinds of flavors of Jews (Which is now in AAH). But he did apologise in the end.

Anyway MaGZ ... you may have missed my earlier post so I'll try again ....

MaGZ, I'd like to ask you a question.

Why are you anti-semitic? You seem to be quoting what you think is Jewish Supremacist stuff and blaming it on all Jews. It doesn't make sense.

Every race has racists who think their race is the supreme race above all others. There's plenty of white supremacists and people who criticize them aren't racist against white people. And they are not accused of being racist against whites either.

I'm sure there are Jewish Supremacists out there, just as there are white Supremacists, and it's OK to criticize either.

But why the Anti-semitism? Why are all Jews bad or inferior? Or what other negative traits you accuse them of?

[Thunder]

i would not hold your breath, waiting for a response.

[Oliver]

Well, just for the fun of it: I blame the Jews for destroying the nation of Israel at some point in the future.

[timhau]

I blame Jews for pastrami.

[LibraryLady]

I blame Jews for pastrami.

As the daughter of a deli man, I deeply resent that remark!

[timhau]

As the daughter of a deli man, I deeply resent that remark!

Pastrami is addictive. It's a diabolical plot to take over the tastebuds of the world.

I also blame our minute Jewish minority for not importing or making pastrami over here.

[Oliver]

Pastrami is addictive. It's a diabolical plot to take over the tastebuds of the world.

I also blame our minute Jewish minority for not importing or making pastrami over here.


Since I have no Idea what Pastrami is, I also blame the Jews for making
such a secret out of it.

[BirdStrike]

Wow. I must watch out for the jews. They seem to be able to do just about anything from controlling the media, to orchestrating 9-11, to destroying nations, to causing tsunamis.

They are like Xmen with super powers! Next thing you know they will have us all wearing "Happy Madonnakah" T-shirts and listening to klezmer muzak in elevators! ;)

[LibraryLady]

Since I have no Idea what Pastrami is, I also blame the Jews for making
such a secret out of it.

Hey, pastrami (http://www.howstuffworks.com/question298.htm) paid the bills in my family, no secret at all!

Hot pastrami on rye with Russian dressing. Maybe there is a god.

[moon1969]

I heard that Joseph Stalin was a jew.

[Cleon]

I heard that Joseph Stalin was a jew.

You heard incorrectly.

The guy studied for the Orthodox priesthood, for crying out loud. And he hated Jews.

[BirdStrike]

You heard incorrectly.

The guy studied for the Orthodox priesthood, for crying out loud. And he hated Jews.

Or do the jews just want you to think that? ;)

[Dubbi]

I heard that Joseph Stalin was a jew.

I heard that you're a Jew.

[Thunder]

I heard that Joseph Stalin was a jew.

do you think about anything else other then Jews?

and no, Stalin was NOT a Jew. he hated jews. thats why he killed my great-uncle.

[timhau]

I heard that Joseph Stalin was a jew.

I heard he had X-ray vision and could jump over tall buildings. I also read that he has a son that is a spitting image of his father, and that they found him in Arkhangelsk a few years ago.

[MaGZ]

do you think about anything else other then Jews?

and no, Stalin was NOT a Jew. he hated jews. thats why he killed my great-uncle.

Was your great-uncle on of these hanged Jews?

WHAT IS BEHIND THE HANGING OF THE ELEVEN JEWS IN PRAGUE ?
http://home.alphalink.com.au/~radnat/fpyockey/prague.html

[applecorped]

Why? Do you want to applaud or something?

[MaGZ]

Why? Do you want to applaud or something?

I’m not a Stalinist.

[Thunder]

Was your great-uncle on of these hanged Jews?

WHAT IS BEHIND THE HANGING OF THE ELEVEN JEWS IN PRAGUE ?
http://home.alphalink.com.au/~radnat/fpyockey/prague.html

no. he was not one of the 11 of the Slansky Trials. he was, however, sent to a coal mine for life. he died one year later.

his crime? "Zionism", "Cosmopilitanism", "Nazism".

this is why i hate both fascists and communists. they all killed my relatives.

[1337m4n]

I’m not a Stalinist.

That's good to know.

What I'm more interested in, however, is what you think should be done about this "problem" you have brought up.

[Dubbi]

Was your great-uncle on of these hanged Jews?

WHAT IS BEHIND THE HANGING OF THE ELEVEN JEWS IN PRAGUE ?
http://home.alphalink.com.au/~radnat/fpyockey/prague.html

Time to ban?

[moon1969]

Joseph Stalin killed a great uncle of a jew? Then how come you don"t hear movies or the media talking about what happend to the and all victims of Joseph Stalin are important no just the jews. My grandfather lost his brother during the Winter War that Joseph Stalin started and my grandfather lost his home in Impilahti Karelia because of Stalin. So my grandfather is a goy and not as important as the jewish victims of Joseph Stalin?

[moon1969]

I respect all the jews who were victims of Joseph Stalin. I just hate the way victims of Stalin get alot less publicity then the victims of Adolf Hitler. Media always talks about the holocaust but never Holodomor. How many americans even know what a Holodomor was? By the way Holodomor was done by a jew
Lazar Kaganovich.

[Dr Adequate]

I respect all the jews who were victims of Joseph Stalin. I just hate the way victims of Stalin get alot less publicity then the victims of Adolf Hitler. Media always talks about the holocaust but never Holodomor. How many americans even know what a Holodomor was? By the way Holodomor was done by a jew
Lazar Kaganovich. Of course! It was done by "a jew"! Armed, presumably, with the jawbone of an ass.

[moon1969]

Important thing is that there must never be people like Joseph Stalin or Lazar Kaganovich. Lazar Kaganovich was a jew. So you people are saying that jews did not invent communism? Communism isn"t somekind of a jewish plot invented by Karl Marx? Since I will never leave from my home like my grandfather had to leave after the Winter War on 1939 because of Joseph Stalin.

[Pardalis]

You'll probably never leave your basement as well.

[gtc]

Then how come you don"t hear movies or the media talking about what happend to the and all victims of Joseph Stalin are important no just the jews.

Indeed. I can't think of a single movie that is at all critical of Stalin.

[Tin Foil Timothy]

I’m not a Stalinist.

MaGZ, I'd like to ask you a question.

Why are you anti-semitic? You seem to be quoting what you think is Jewish Supremacist stuff and blaming it on all Jews. It doesn't make sense.

Every race has racists who think their race is the supreme race above all others. There's plenty of white supremacists and people who criticize them aren't racist against white people. And they are not accused of being racist against whites either.

I'm sure there are Jewish Supremacists out there, just as there are white Supremacists, and it's OK to criticize either.

But why the Anti-semitism? Why are all Jews bad or inferior? Or what other negative traits you accuse them of?

[Baby Nemesis]

I respect all the jews who were victims of Joseph Stalin. I just hate the way victims of Stalin get alot less publicity then the victims of Adolf Hitler. Media always talks about the holocaust but never Holodomor. How many americans even know what a Holodomor was? By the way Holodomor was done by a jew
Lazar Kaganovich.

The reason Hitler gets talked about a lot more than Stalin is just because most of Stalin's atrocities were committed in his home country, and in the 1930s, I don't think many people outside it even knew about them. But Hitler's actions led to lots of other countries getting involved, so he had more worldwide impact.

It's true there are a lot more films and documentaries about Hitler. But I think there are some well-known and revered books about what happened to people in the time of Stalin.

Parky76 said a Jewish great uncle of his was killed by the Stalin regime, mentioning it because he was a relative. But nowhere has he ever said that was more important than any Gentile getting killed. No Jews on this thread have said the killing of Jews is worse than the killing of Gentiles.

[1337m4n]

Important thing is that there must never be people like Joseph Stalin or Lazar Kaganovich. Lazar Kaganovich was a jew. So you people are saying that jews did not invent communism? Communism isn"t somekind of a jewish plot invented by Karl Marx?

Jews did not invent communism, dipstick. A Jew invented communism.

Why are you unable to grasp the difference?

A Jew does not equal all Jews.

I can't tell if your posts are driven by racism or just mind-numbing stupidity. Either way, let me say kindly that people like you shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.

[MarkCorrigan]

Jews did not invent communism, dipstick. A Jew invented communism.

Why are you unable to grasp the difference?

A Jew does not equal all Jews.

I can't tell if your posts are driven by racism or just mind-numbing stupidity. Either way, let me say kindly that people like you shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.

Technically it was a join effort between a Jew and Friedrich Engels, who I'm pretty damn sure was NOT Jewish.

[timhau]

Technically it was a join effort between a Jew and Friedrich Engels, who I'm pretty damn sure was NOT Jewish.

See? Jews couldn't even invent communism by themselves!

[Baby Nemesis]

Technically it was a join effort between a Jew and Friedrich Engels, who I'm pretty damn sure was NOT Jewish.

The Communism Marx invented was nothing like the corrupt killer-Communism of the Stalin era. If true Communism had been put into practice in Russia, the climate would have been very different. Marx and Engels were motivated by concern about the deprivation they saw all around them and the cruel exploitation of workers by capitalist businessmen, who would, for example, make workers work for long hours in their factories without even doing their best to make sure they were safe. So lots of people had serious accidents. Marx and Engels wanted more equality. Their ideas were totally corrupted by the likes of Stalin, who obviously didn't have any real concern for equality, or he wouldn't have allowed famine conditions to run rampant in the Eucraine, or ordered the killing of so many people.

[MarkCorrigan]

The Communism Marx invented was nothing like the corrupt killer-Communism of the Stalin era. <snip>.

I'm very, very, VERY much aware of this. Actually, I continually bring it up in any thread whereby someone attacks Communism, and even more irritating/disturbing to me, Socialism, because of the USSR and/or China. (I'm a Socialist)

[SDC]

Technically it was a join effort between a Jew and Friedrich Engels, who I'm pretty damn sure was NOT Jewish.

No, Engels wasn't Jewish. Neither in fact was Marx, except to racists. His father converted to Lutheranism, I believe before KM was born.

[dudalb]

I heard he had X-ray vision and could jump over tall buildings. I also read that he has a son that is a spitting image of his father, and that they found him in Arkhangelsk a few years ago.


DC comics, as part of it's What If ?"ELsewhen" series, did one called "Red Son" about what if that rocket from Krypton has landed in Russia rather then the US.

[Tin Foil Timothy]

No, Engels wasn't Jewish. Neither in fact was Marx, except to racists. His father converted to Lutheranism, I believe before KM was born.

Interesting. So being jewish is just about religion then? Well if that's the case it wouldn't be racist thing would it?

Of course being Jewish is not just about Religion. Marx was an Ashkenazi Jew. He was a Jewish Atheist in fact. There are lots of Jewish Atheists. Woody Allen is one for example.

Can I suggest you educate yourself?

[Doctor Evil]

Interesting. So being jewish is just about religion then? Well if that's the case it wouldn't be racist thing would it?

Of course being Jewish is not just about Religion. Marx was an Ashkenazi Jew. He was a Jewish Atheist in fact. There are lots of Jewish Atheists. Woody Allen is one for example.

Can I suggest you educate yourself?

Being a Jew is not only a matter of religion. Jews are a people. The concept of a people is based on culture and identity, and not on genes. If someone, such as Allen sees himself as part of this group. If he self identifies as a Jew, then he is one.

On the other hand, you seem to base your argument that Marx was a Jew on the fact that his Father was born a Jew. However, his Father clearly did not self identify as part of the Jewish people. Otherwise he would not have converted. As far as I know Marx have never considered himself as being Jewish.

So we are left with your claim that Marx is a Jew because some of his genes came from a Jew. This is a race based view.

[gtc]

There are many reasons to dislike Marx's writings (and even some reasons to like them).

Disliking him for being Jewish is just plain nutty, particularly as it doesn't seem like he thought of himself as being Jewish.

[moon1969]

"and no, Stalin was NOT a Jew. he hated jews."

from wikipedia:

"The region was established in 1934. It was the result of Joseph Stalin's nationality policy, which allowed for the Jewish population of the Soviet Union to receive a territory in which to pursue Yiddish cultural heritage within a socialist framework"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

He hated the jews did he? Or did you lie? Stalin didn"t hate jews.

[SDC]

Interesting. So being jewish is just about religion then? Well if that's the case it wouldn't be racist thing would it?

Of course being Jewish is not just about Religion. Marx was an Ashkenazi Jew. He was a Jewish Atheist in fact. There are lots of Jewish Atheists. Woody Allen is one for example.

Can I suggest you educate yourself?

So who decides who is "Jewish"? You?

Your suggestion is not accepted, by the way.

Marx was, in so far as he had a nominal religious affiliation, Lutheran. In his writings, he also was quite anti-semitic.

Tim foil timothy, I'd say your prejudices are showing. (Sorry about lower case, keyboard issues.)

[Cleon]

He hated the jews did he? Or did you lie? Stalin didn"t hate jews.

The only lie here is the idea that Stalin didn't hate Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin%27s_antisemitism).

Read a frakking book once in a while, will you?

[Dr Adequate]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast "Efforts in this direction ended, however, with the Doctors' plot, the establishment of Israel as a Jewish state, and Stalin's second wave of purges shortly before his death. Once again, the Jewish leadership was arrested and efforts were made to stamp out Yiddish culture—even the Judaica collection in the local library was burned. In the ensuing years the idea of an autonomous Jewish region in the Soviet Union was all but forgotten."

[abenja1]

I think I have to offer the anti-semities on this thread a shovel. The hole they are digging themselves into just keeps getting bigger (along with their lies)

[Thunder]

The engineer for the Golden Gate Bridge....was a Jew. Was he a destroyer..or a creator?

[Thunder]

He hated the jews did he? Or did you lie? Stalin didn"t hate jews.

Stalin did hate Jews. He removed all Jews from high positions. He made practising of Judaism illegal, teaching and reading Hebrew illegal, and turned Synagogues into warehouses. He would have sent all Jews to live just north of Manchuria, if he didnt die when he did.

[moon1969]

I have heard some jews argument that Stalin arrested and jailed the wife of Vyacheslav Molotov because she was a jew. How ever there is no proof that Stalin arrested the wife of Vyacheslav Molotov because she was a jew and if Stalin hated jews so much then why nothing happend to his jewish henchman Lazar Kaganovich? Fact is that Joseph Stalin did not hate the jews like Adolf Hitler did. Stalin was not an anti-semite like Adolf Hitler was. Stalin was only paranoid about some so called zionist conspiracy but Stalin did not hate jews as a race.

[Thunder]

Stalin singled out Jews for persecution and cleansed the Soviet hierarchy of almost all Jews. The only folks who say that Stalin did not hate Jews..are those who think that the Communists were all Jewish.

[Cleon]

Fact is that Joseph Stalin did not hate the jews like Adolf Hitler did.

Well, of course not. Only one person ever hated Jews as much as Hitler--Hitler. Hating Jews enough to the point of industrialized genocide is a level of fanatical Jew-hatred that, fortunately, is rather rare.

But one doesn't have to rise to Hitler-level to be classified as someone who hates Jews. Stalin did, and he most certainly wasn't one himself (as you postulated earlier).

[Thunder]

yes. stalin was not as bad a jew-hater as hitler was. but stalin hated jews and made it very clear to everyone....but...people who want to blaim all the crimes of the USSR on Die Juden.

[gtc]

Fact is that Joseph Stalin did not hate the jews like Adolf Hitler did. Stalin was not an anti-semite like Adolf Hitler was. Stalin was only paranoid about some so called zionist conspiracy but Stalin did not hate jews as a race.

And yet you have defended Finland's alliance with Nazi Germany.

[dafydd]

"and no, Stalin was NOT a Jew. he hated jews."

from wikipedia:

"The region was established in 1934. It was the result of Joseph Stalin's nationality policy, which allowed for the Jewish population of the Soviet Union to receive a territory in which to pursue Yiddish cultural heritage within a socialist framework"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

He hated the jews did he? Or did you lie? Stalin didn"t hate jews.

Wikipedia? If Wikipedia was on paper I wouldn't wipe my arse with it.

[SDC]

I guess in another thread I posted the information that, in the Soviet Union, there was a "Karelian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic." This most certainly did not mean that Stalin supported autonomy for Karelian Finns; it was, like the creation of the Birobidzhan Jewish region of farthest Siberia, a cynical political maneuver by Stalin and the Soviet leadership aimed at the international market.

I gather Moon1969 doesn't acknowledge that point. So it goes.

[tomwaits]

The Communism Marx invented was nothing like the corrupt killer-Communism of the Stalin era. If true Communism had been put into practice in Russia, the climate would have been very different. Marx and Engels were motivated by concern about the deprivation they saw all around them and the cruel exploitation of workers by capitalist businessmen, who would, for example, make workers work for long hours in their factories without even doing their best to make sure they were safe. So lots of people had serious accidents. Marx and Engels wanted more equality. Their ideas were totally corrupted by the likes of Stalin, who obviously didn't have any real concern for equality, or he wouldn't have allowed famine conditions to run rampant in the Eucraine, or ordered the killing of so many people.

I'm very, very, VERY much aware of this. Actually, I continually bring it up in any thread whereby someone attacks Communism, and even more irritating/disturbing to me, Socialism, because of the USSR and/or China. (I'm a Socialist)



At the risk of completely derailing this thread, it is pretty clear that Marxism inevitably leads to oppression and economic destruction. Marx may not have intended that, but he certainly didn't fully consider the consequences of his fantasies.

[dudalb]

At the risk of completely derailing this thread, it is pretty clear that Marxism inevitably leads to oppression and economic destruction. Marx may not have intended that, but he certainly didn't fully consider the consequences of his fantasies.


I agree, but you will never convince the True Believers of that. It is always a case ,when discussing how every attempt to put a Marxist system in place has ended up a failure of
A. "That was not really Marxism" or
B. "The right people were not in charge".

To be fair, some Socialists have pretty much left Marxist Doctrine behind.
On the other hand, one guy here a few weeks ago was still pushing the "Surplus Value" woo, possibly the most inane of Marx's theories.

[Baby Nemesis]

I agree, but you will never convince the True Believers of that. It is always a case ,when discussing how every attempt to put a Marxist system in place has ended up a failure of
A. "That was not really Marxism" or
B. "The right people were not in charge".

Perhaps I ought to clarify that I'm not a Marxist. He may have been misguided in thinkking his ideas would work out for the best. But it's logical to assume that if he saw what happened under Stalin, he wouldn't have approved, since many of the people worst affected were the types of people whose well-being he wanted to promote. That was my point.

[peteweaver]

Magz Magz Magz, there's nothing wrong with Jews. They're not out to destroy nations, most aren't even out to do a spot of banking. They're just people.

[MarkCorrigan]

I agree, but you will never convince the True Believers of that. It is always a case ,when discussing how every attempt to put a Marxist system in place has ended up a failure of
A. "That was not really Marxism" or
B. "The right people were not in charge".

To be fair, some Socialists have pretty much left Marxist Doctrine behind.
On the other hand, one guy here a few weeks ago was still pushing the "Surplus Value" woo, possibly the most inane of Marx's theories.

Well two points (OT, I know)

1. IT really isn't ever Marxism. This is mostly to do with how badly Marx wrote everything.

2. I'm a Socialist, and I'm not a Marxist. I like SOME of his ideas, but...well a lot of it is either impossible, impractical or out and out la la land stuff. Some of it however, isn't.

[Alareth]

It's worse than we thought, apparently 1 in 5 Spaniards are actually Secret Jews ... (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article5295627.ece)

[Belz...]

A REAL CASE AGAINST THE JEWS
Their worst crime against the West: Christianity

Gee, MaGZ1, would you mind making sense for a change ?

1: which I'd like to remind everyone means "Missiles at Ground Zero".

[Belz...]

The Jew of today is the same as the Jew two thousand years ago. [/URL]

In other words Jewish people don't have kids... they're just immortal ?

[Belz...]

It is a fact that many communists were jews.

Indeed. At least 2 :rolleyes:

[Belz...]

I respect all the jews who were victims of Joseph Stalin. I just hate the way victims of Stalin get alot less publicity then the victims of Adolf Hitler. Media always talks about the holocaust but never Holodomor. How many americans even know what a Holodomor was? By the way Holodomor was done by a jew
Lazar Kaganovich.

So it's an attention thing... ?

[SDC]

So it's an attention thing... ?

Some people just don't know when to hire the best ... Like Swifty Lazar.

[Skeptic]

I respect all the jews who were victims of Joseph Stalin.

In fact, you respect all dead Jews. It's just those who insist on living you can't stand.

[Skeptic]

do you think about anything else other then Jews?

I can just see moon1969 and MaGZ in an hotel room during a "Institute for Historical Review" holocaust-denying conference:

[It-was-a-dark-and-stormy-night weather: raining hard, freezing, lightning, thunder, etc.]:

--"Hey bud, should we walk down to the diner, or order a takeout?"
--"Nah, I'm not walking outside. The weather's really Jewish right now."

[Skeptic]

By the way, a true story:

One day I was in the elevator (I'm 6' 4" and none-of-your-business pounds) and the only other person there was a petite little old black lady. She looked at me with some trepidation, as I was unshaved and not dressed too well.

As I got out, I told her that we've just made history.

--"Why?"
--"For the first time, a black person can go home and tell their children: I was alone in the elevator with a big Jew -- I was SO SCARED! I don't even think he lives in the building..."

[LibraryLady]

Did she slap you?

[Chaos]

In fact, you respect all dead Jews. It's just those who insist on living you can't stand.

Actually, he respects only jews who died under the right circumstances. I haven´t seen him being respectful towards Holocaust victims, for example.

For what it´s worth, he shares that peculiarity with the Holocaust deniers... they tend respect Stalin´s victim like hell, because "now, look, THERE is a real villain, not at all like Saint Adolf!"

[zaphod2016]

ROFL @ Skeptic: "Nah, I'm not walking outside. The weather's really Jewish right now."

@MaGZ: You know the saddest thing of all? You consider this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvuzCgoITBE) to be the greatest threat to your freedom.

Behold: Public enemy #1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrxlfvI17oY)

[Skeptic]

Did she slap you?


Nah, she laughed. I am not really a threathening person in my behavior... though I have insulted people unintentionally with jokes that weren't understood.

[Baby Nemesis]

Actually, I can fully understand where the idea that Jews want to destroy the world comes from, and I think it's perfectly understandable. Here's where it comes from and who's to blame:

Think of this sentence:

"Every night, the dew comes down and settles all over the ground, and lands on everything in sight."

Now, if you just change one single letter and misspell dew Jew, it completely changes the meaning of the whole sentence - it sounds like the biblical descriptions of invading marauding armies coming to plunder a country.

Here's who to blame for instilling the idea that Jews want to destroy the world in people's minds: Primary/elementary school teachers! You see, what obviously happens is that kids are asked to write out sentences to practice their writing and grammar, and some write the sentence above and misspell the word dew, and then the children's work is passed around the class for other children to look. So that's where the worrying idea that Jews want to destroy the world gets disseminated! Because children are young and impressionable, the idea just sinks straight in, and stays there forever.

Yes. It's all the fault of teachers of small children! They must be held culpable and punished! Or taken to cultural awareness classes where they must be warned that their actions are leading to all the anti-semitism in the world, and told to stop.

:D

[Smackety]

I must have missed it. Which nation did the Jews destroy?

[Baby Nemesis]

Well, no one recently. But it's not that they have destroyed anything that's the problem; it's the fearful image of them doing it that causes all the problems, playing havoc with people's minds. I mean, even some politicians seem to think like that regarding other nations, so maybe there really is something in what I say. :)

[Belz...]

Nah, she laughed. I am not really a threathening person in my behavior... though I have insulted people unintentionally with jokes that weren't understood.

Story of my life.

[Tricky]

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