Why don't 9-11 Truthers want a New Investigation?

[parky76]

Well, its become painfully obvious to me and to many other folks here, that most 9-11 Truthers actually DO NOT want a new investigation.

I am a little puzzled by this. I know that the more juvenile and insecure folks simply just want to perpetually "debate" and beat their chests about the non-existant soon-to-be revolution. But there seem to also be actual adults who are truthers, who while their ideas may be insane and wacky, they do seem to have an objective in mind.

So, why aren't they doing what really needs to be done for an investigation? Can't the Attorney General of any state do one? What's the hold up?

All they really need to do is gather as much physical, video, audio, and eyewitness evidence as possible, and simply bring it before a lawyer for a civil suit or a prosecutor for a criminal case. So whats the dillio?

[defaultdotxbe]

i think they are worried a new investigation will still show they are wrong, its easy to say "the investigation was a sham" but it becomes progressively more difficult to say 2, 3 or 4 investigations were all shams (thats why its hard to get them to admit that there already have been multiple independent investigations, they need to believe the "official story" was spoonfed by the government)

[twinstead]

It is sad. What if one throws a revolution and nobody shows up?

[parky76]

interesting perspective. the more investigations dont go their way, the harder it is to say it was a sham and a rubber stamp.

do you think this is actually discussed amoungst truther circles? that if they bring their evidence before a prosecutor or judge..they will be laughed out of court..or if there is a different investigation..it will just agree with the first 3?

this leads me to ask..if the truthers KNOW that they will just get laughed out of court or a different investigation will just come to the same conclusion..does that mean that truthers deep down actually know their story just holds no weight?

hmmmm...

[GStan]

All they really need to do is gather as much physical, video, audio, and eyewitness evidence as possible, and simply bring it before a lawyer for a civil suit or a prosecutor for a criminal case. So whats the dillio?

Is is possible that they actually are doing that and getting laughed out of court, or out of the DA's office? And thus, just not publicizing it? I think if I were in their position and I took my rock solid evidence to a judge who proceeded to pee his pants laughing at me, I might not share that publicly. It would automatically become a matter of public record if they took it before a judge wouldn't it? Don't think the same would apply if they just shared it with a DA.

On the other hand, they seem to have no problem just adding people to the list of those who are "in on it." I don't see why they wouldn't take their evidence to the judge, take their lumps and add the judge to the list of conspirators.

[DavidJames]

I've never felt the "truth movement" was about achieving "justice". It is (was?) to a large extent a combination of charlatans, anti-authority, rage against the machine types, and the mentally ill. With few exceptions, none of them have done anything to actually seek justice.

[Trojan]

For most of them, like our 9/11 investigator, investigations are just visits to other truther sites. Very few, if any, even bothter to do first hand investigations or try to check references.

How can one be an investigator if all you do is cut and paste?

[GStan]

For most of them, like our 9/11 investigator, investigations are just visits to other truther sites. Very few, if any, even bothter to do first hand investigations or try to check references.

How can one be an investigator if all you do is cut and paste?

Welcome to the forums Trojan.

We're practically neighbors! (if you actually are where your locaction says you are;)).

[/OT]

[parky76]

There is something very odd about someone who gathers more and more evidence, increases the number of supposed conspirators, but refuses to bring this to the authorities. There may be something we are missing here. Such as profit and delusions of grandeur.

Though maybe they are just like the Communists, Anarchists, and White Supremacists in the USA. They dream daily about their mythical "revolution", yet refuse to act in any way to make it happen, because they know they will get squashed like a bug by the great majority of the nation.

[Bobert]

There is something very odd about someone who gathers more and more evidence, increases the number of supposed conspirators, but refuses to bring this to the authorities. There may be something we are missing here. Such as profit and delusions of grandeur.

Though maybe they are just like the Communists, Anarchists, and White Supremacists in the USA. They dream daily about their mythical "revolution", yet refuse to act in any way to make it happen, because they know they will get squashed like a bug by the great majority of the nation.
I was gonig to post something very similar but then my computer froze up.
It must be the JEWS!!!!!
;)
I also find it odd that very few if any of the truthers even DEMAND that their "leaders" take ANY ACTION upon the evidence they uncover.
For example Aldo from the CIT gets all huffy and tells other people to take his evidence forward.
LOL!

[parky76]

yep...seems to a whooooole lot of passing the buck. everyone wants everyone else to be the deal maker. the buck stops...with anyone but me.

its time for action!!!....what are you gonna do? cause Im staying home.

we need to have 100,000 people march on Washington!! but I cant go cause I have class that day and I cant afford a bus ticket.

we must have a new investigation!! but it must be by someone very important who we will never take seriously, will laugh us out of court, and who we know will come up with a conclusion that we will call a "sham", "whitewash", "rubber stamp" of the OCT.

is that about all?

=)

[Nyarlathotep]

I've never felt the "truth movement" was about achieving "justice". It is (was?) to a large extent a combination of charlatans, anti-authority, rage against the machine types, and the mentally ill. With few exceptions, none of them have done anything to actually seek justice.


I think you hit the nail on the head.

[T.A.M.]

Many debunkers feel (in my opinion rightly) that a new investigation is NOT NEEDED, and as a result, a waste of their tax dollars.

Many truthers put on a front that they "want a new investigation" but in reality, fear what such an investigation would truly reveal, so the secretly do not want such an investigation.

Then there are the many on both sides who just don't give a **** if there is another investigation or not.

TAM:)

[Homeland Insurgency]

Many truthers put on a front that they "want a new investigation" but in reality, fear what such an investigation would truly reveal, so the secretly do not want such an investigation.

Says who but you and your ilk?

[parky76]

we are smart people. we can see through their Jedi mind-tricks.

but honestly, 9-11 was in 2001. its almost 2009. if they REALLY wanted another investigation...there would have been one by now.

it could have been done in any city, any state, even any country. but even till today..

...nothing.

[Bobert]

says who but you and your ilk?
99.99999% of the world

[1337m4n]

You said truthers don't want a new investigation.

You said you don't want a new investigation.

Are you not following your own train of thought?

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/affirmingtheconsequent.html

Take a look at it HI, you might learn something.

[Homeland Insurgency]

Well, its become painfully obvious to me and to many other folks here, that most 9-11 Truthers actually DO NOT want a new investigation.

Why is this obvious to anyone?

What truther claimed to not want a new investigation and how does it reflect the entire truth movement?

Anyone?

[PhantomWolf]

Why would they want another investigation. They just want to keep asking questions. If they had a real investigation they might have to face some answers.

[chillzero]

Bickering and off topic posts removed to AAH. Please remember the MA.

[twinstead]

Why is this obvious to anyone?

What truther claimed to not want a new investigation and how does it reflect the entire truth movement?

Anyone?

Mainly because we are satisfied that the official narrative, while of course not perfect, is the BEST explanation of that event when ALL the evidence is considered, and are confident that any additional investigation would come to a very similar conclusion. As an American taxpayer, the thought of spending my money for another investigation so a tiny minority can try to prove one of their myriad mindless theories makes me angry. I believe deep down most truthers believe it too. It's all just an exorcise. And disgraceful.

If your evidence is indeed as compelling as you constantly whine to us about, then GET THAT INVESTIGATION if you want it. The way you speak about your evidence it should be EASY to get somebody who can make a difference to start pushing for it. Then I suppose I'd have no choice to pay for it. Just quit whining about it for Christ's sake.

[parky76]

Why would they want another investigation. They just want to keep asking questions. If they had a real investigation they might have to face some answers.

or even worse....people might start asking THEM questions.

"why are you so vehement about defending america's enemies?"

"will you protest for the release of all al-qaeda detainees?"

"why do you denounce, attack, and harrass anyone who disagrees with you?"

oh.....if the tables finally got turned.

[thatsmystory]

or even worse....people might start asking THEM questions.

"why are you so vehement about defending america's enemies?"

"will you protest for the release of all al-qaeda detainees?"

"why do you denounce, attack, and harrass anyone who disagrees with you?"

oh.....if the tables finally got turned.

Before another investigation is considered, the government should declassify evidence that would give the public a better understanding of what happened.Why hasn't the government declassified reports from completed investigations? For example, the CIA IG report (the whole thing with rebuttals by the named officials), the redacted pages of the JI report, the closed session testimony of key officials who the "liberal media" have never bothered to interview (for example FBI UBLU chief Rod Middleton). Anyone who honestly wants to know what happened in the lead up to 9/11 should want to know what the chief of the FBI Bin Laden unit had to say about the bizarre conduct of the CIA and the FBI. We recently had a blogger report (based on journalist James Bamford's findings) that two FBI agents assigned to the CIA CTC in the lead up to 9/11 (Mark Rossini and Doug Miller) were ordered to withhold the alHazmi/alMihdhar intel from the FBI and after 9/11 they were told to not to share this episode with the DOJ IG. Again, the "liberal media" didn't follow up at all.

"why are you so vehement about defending america's enemies?"

Since when is dissent considered "defending america's enemies?" Are we to believe that all government officials act in good faith and to think otherwise is to "defend america's enemies?" What would you call the redaction of the 28 pages in the JI which deal with Saudi support for alHazmi/alMihdhar? That sure looks like the US government was defending people associated with 9/11.

"will you protest for the release of all al-qaeda detainees?"

I don't find it at all acceptable to give the President the power to keep someone locked up indefinitely without charges. That is something a dictator would do. If one watches the various documentaries on torture, one finds that many military officials were sickened by the Bush administration's approach. It wasn't about "being soft on terror." It was about American values. Belief in human dignity.

"why do you denounce, attack, and harrass anyone who disagrees with you?"

Why do you call people unpatriotic, al Qaeda sympathizing conspiracy nuts for seeking accountability for 9/11?

[parky76]

Before another investigation is considered, the government should declassify evidence that would give the public a better understanding of what happened.Why hasn't the government declassified reports from completed investigations? For example, the CIA IG report (the whole thing with rebuttals by the named officials), the redacted pages of the JI report, the closed session testimony of key officials who the "liberal media" have never bothered to interview (for example FBI UBLU chief Rod Middleton). Anyone who honestly wants to know what happened in the lead up to 9/11 should want to know what the chief of the FBI Bin Laden unit had to say about the bizarre conduct of the CIA and the FBI. We recently had a blogger report (based on journalist James Bamford's findings) that two FBI agents assigned to the CIA CTC in the lead up to 9/11 (Mark Rossini and Doug Miller) were ordered to withhold the alHazmi/alMihdhar intel from the FBI and after 9/11 they were told to not to share this episode with the DOJ IG. Again, the "liberal media" didn't follow up at all.

"why are you so vehement about defending america's enemies?"

Since when is dissent considered "defending america's enemies?" Are we to believe that all government officials act in good faith and to think otherwise is to "defend america's enemies?" What would you call the redaction of the 28 pages in the JI which deal with Saudi support for alHazmi/alMihdhar? That sure looks like the US government was defending people associated with 9/11.

"will you protest for the release of all al-qaeda detainees?"

I don't find it at all acceptable to give the President the power to keep someone locked up indefinitely without charges. That is something a dictator would do. If one watches the various documentaries on torture, one finds that many military officials were sickened by the Bush administration's approach. It wasn't about "being soft on terror." It was about American values. Belief in human dignity.

"why do you denounce, attack, and harrass anyone who disagrees with you?"

Why do you call people unpatriotic, al Qaeda sympathizing conspiracy nuts for seeking accountability for 9/11?

you didnt answer my question: why do you denounce, attack, and harrass anyone who disagrees with you? why do you call those who dont corroborate your theories "shills", "agents", and "paid disinfo"??

i will glady answer every single one of your questions, ONLY after you first answer mine. thats how its gonna work buddy boy.

[ULTIMA1]

but honestly, 9-11 was in 2001. its almost 2009. if they REALLY wanted another investigation...there would have been one by now..

Why do you guys seem so afraid of a new investigation?

Whats wrong with asking for a new investigation, speacilly since their has not been a proper investigation done and findings released? I will keep asking for a new investigation for as long as the family members do.

Why was their no proper investigation into the 4 hijackings on 9/11, only the buildings?

[dtugg]

Why do you guys seem so afraid of a new investigation?

Whats wrong with asking for a new investigation, speacilly [sic] since their [sic] has not been a proper investigation done and findings released? I will keep asking for a new investigation for as long as the family members do.

Why was their no proper investigation into the 4 hijackings on 9/11, only the buildings?

I am not afraid of a new investigation. The case is solved so there is no need. A new one would be a waste of time, resources, and money. Plus, it would distract from real issues.

And there has been a proper investigation into the hijackings. Ever heard of PENTBOM? It was the largest criminal investigation of all time, using at one point 7,000 FBI agents. They concluded, correctly, that 19 al Qaeda terrorists did it. Al Qaeda themselves confirm it. End of story.

[ULTIMA1]

And there has been a proper investigation into the hijackings.


Just to bad there is no real , actual evidence that has been released to support this theory called the offical story.

[Brainache]

Why do you guys seem so afraid of a new investigation?

Whats wrong with asking for a new investigation, speacilly since their has not been a proper investigation done and findings released? I will keep asking for a new investigation for as long as the family members do.

Why was their no proper investigation into the 4 hijackings on 9/11, only the buildings?

Just to bad there is no real , actual evidence that has been released to support this theory called the offical story.

What's this then? : http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/index.html

[dtugg]

Just to [sic] bad there is no real , actual evidence that has been released to support this theory called the offical [sic] story.

Only if you ignore things like the flight manifests or phone call transcripts.

[ULTIMA1]

What's this then? : http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/index.html

Please explain to me what the Zacarias Moussaoui trail has to do with the FBI and NTSB investigating the 4 hijackings.

[ULTIMA1]

Only if you ignore things like the flight manifests or phone call transcripts.

So what about all the other facts and evidence we should have but has not been released?

[dtugg]

So what about all the other facts and evidence we should have but has not been released?

Like what?

And since when does the FBI release all evidence that it has to the general public? Name one instance that this has happened in past investigations.

[Brainache]

Please explain to me what the Zacarias Moussaoui trail has to do with the FBI and NTSB investigating the 4 hijackings.

Look at the evidence presented in that case and you may learn the answer to your idiotic question.

[dtugg]

Please explain to me what the Zacarias Moussaoui trail [sic] has to do with the FBI and NTSB investigating the 4 hijackings.

Do you know how trials work? Moussaoui was charged as a co-conspirator to 9/11. For them to prove these charges they also have to prove that al Qaeda did 9/11. They did and he was found guilty.

[PhantomWolf]

Why was their no proper investigation into the 4 hijackings on 9/11, only the buildings?

I suggest you go and tell the 3,000 FBI Agents assigned to PENTABOM that they didn't do their jobs right.

[JoeyDonuts]

Please explain to me what the Zacarias Moussaoui trail has to do with the FBI and NTSB investigating the 4 hijackings.

Zacarias Moussaoui's trails have nothing to do with the investigations.

And honestly, the man should really learn to clean up after himself.

[JoeyDonuts]

So what about all the other facts and evidence we should have but has not been released?

Crackerjack reasoning there, boss.

With that line of thinking, why the heck haven't those darn E.T.'s just landed a spaceship in the middle of Times Square and put the theories to rest once and for all?!?

Why hasn't the evidence of the faked moon landing ever surfaced?!?

...and how come the real perpetrators of 9/11 haven't ever done the right thing and taken responsibility for the...

Oh, wait.

I think what you have a problem with is that the evidence supporting YOUR conclusion hasn't come out. Not existing makes that a bit of a bother, you see.

[parky76]

So what about all the other facts and evidence we should have but has not been released?

what "facts" are we missing? they had enough facts to convict Moussoui and the folks in Spain.

[parky76]

Why do you guys seem so afraid of a new investigation?

Whats wrong with asking for a new investigation, speacilly since their has not been a proper investigation done and findings released? I will keep asking for a new investigation for as long as the family members do.

Why was their no proper investigation into the 4 hijackings on 9/11, only the buildings?

why do we need ANOTHER investigation??

the fbi, NIST, and other agencies already looked into the events.

we know who did 9-11..how they did it..and why they did it.

if the only reason there is to have another investigation, is to satisfy the silly and rhetorical questions of paranoid conspiracy theorists, then we really do not need another investigation.

do we need another investigation into Lincoln's assassination to see if the Zionost bankers did it? sure why not!!!

:mad:

[johnny karate]

So what about all the other facts and evidence we should have but has not been released?

You should probably take your concerns to your bosses at the NSA, or Omega Sector, or whatever intelligence service you're claiming to work for this week.

[JamesB]

I thought he worked for SHIELD.

[ULTIMA1]

why do we need ANOTHER investigation??

the fbi, NIST, and other agencies already looked into the events.


NO they did not.

You cannot show any official FBI or NTSB reports into 4 hijackings on 9/11.

You cannot show any real photos or videos of AA77 hitting the Pentagon.

You cannot show the 40,000 photos the FBI took of the crime scenes.

[dtugg]

NO they did not.

You cannot show any official FBI or NTSB reports into 4 hijackings on 9/11.

You cannot show any real photos or videos of AA77 hitting the Pentagon.

You cannot show the 40,000 photos the FBI took of the crime scenes.

Tell that to the 7,000 FBI agents that investigated it.

And since when does the FBI release their reports to the general public? Name one time that they have ever done that. Find one instance. I dare you.

I don't need a photo or video of AA77 hitting the Pentagon to know that it did. RADAR tracks, calls from people on the plane, the FDR, eyewitnesses, plane wreckage, and most importantly, remains of people that were on the flight found in the building and conclusively linked through DNA is plenty. At least plenty for any rational person. Anybody that doubts that AA77 hit the Pentagon is an idiot. Let me repeat that. Every single person that doubts AA77 hit the Pentagon is an idiot.

Since when does the FBI release all photos that they have a crime scene? Name one instance where they have ever. Do it.

And off topic. Now that you are back from suspension, can we expect you to plagiarize stuff in order to explain things that you should intimately know on your own again?

[nicepants]

Is is possible that they actually are doing that and getting laughed out of court, or out of the DA's office? And thus, just not publicizing it? I think if I were in their position and I took my rock solid evidence to a judge who proceeded to pee his pants laughing at me, I might not share that publicly. It would automatically become a matter of public record if they took it before a judge wouldn't it? Don't think the same would apply if they just shared it with a DA.

On the other hand, they seem to have no problem just adding people to the list of those who are "in on it." I don't see why they wouldn't take their evidence to the judge, take their lumps and add the judge to the list of conspirators.

Exactly. The fact that they refuse to come out with the names of Judges, Attorneys, Government Workers, etc who are "deliberately covering up the evidence" indicates to me that they haven't bothered to present their evidence to anyone.

A similar case was made about CIT over at the LCF not long ago. Someone asked who they had presented their "irrefutable, scientifically-corroborated evidence" to, and their response was something like "that's none of your business, we don't have to answer to you".


What truther claimed to not want a new investigation ..?

Its not their claims, but their actions which reflect this.

Why do you guys seem so afraid of a new investigation?

I can't speak for everyone here, but I'm not afraid of a new investigation....get to it. (Just don't waste my tax dollars on it)

[funk de fino]

Why do you guys seem so afraid of a new investigation?

This is one of the biggest lies any truther posts on any board.

[ULTIMA1]

Tell that to the 7,000 FBI agents that investigated it.

Thanks for showing you cannot answer a simple question. Still waiting for evidence of the investigation into the 4 hijackings on 9/11.

And since when does the FBI release their reports to the general public? Name one time that they have ever done that. Find one instance. I dare you.

Guess you never heard of Flight 800? Its so fun and easy to prove you guys wrong.

I don't need a photo or video of AA77 hitting the Pentagon to know that it did. eyewitnesses, plane wreckage, and most importantly, remains of people that were on the flight found in the building and conclusively linked through DNA is plenty.

You have no real, physical evidence of AA77 hitting the Pentagon.

1. Between all the eyewitnesses they could not agree on what they saw.

2. NO official reports mataching parts or debris found to AA77.

3. NO official DNA reports of bodies from AA77 being in the building.

[dtugg]

Thanks for showing you cannot answer a simple question. Still waiting for evidence of the investigation into the 4 hijackings on 9/11.

I guess the 9/11 Commission Report and the Moussoui trial exhibits do not count. Right?


Guess you never heard of Flight 800? Its so fun and easy to prove you guys wrong.

TWA800 wasn't a crime, genius. Apples and oranges.


You have no real, physical evidence of AA77 hitting the Pentagon.

Except for all the physical evidence.


1. Between all the eyewitnesses they could not agree on what they saw.

They all saw a plane fly into the Pentagon. And it is to be expected that they would not all agree on the exact details. It was a plane flying at very high speed and they saw it for at most a few seconds.


2. NO official reports mataching [sic] parts or debris found to AA77.

The FDR data was released. It was found in the Pentagon and is positively linked to AA77, unless you want to claim the FBI and NTSB fabricated it.


3. NO official DNA reports of bodies from AA77 being in the building.

What are you getting at? Do you think that the FBI fabricated it all? And when in any crime do they release the actual reports to the general public? There was the chart in the Moussoui trial that shows exactly where the body parts were found. It was allowed into evidence so it can be assumed as valid unless you can prove otherwise.

I'll repeat it again. Anybody that doubts AA77 flew into the Pentagon is an idiot.

Yet another epic fail on your part.

Oh, and are you going to continue plagiarizing stuff now that you are back?

[parky76]

Thanks for showing you cannot answer a simple question. Still waiting for evidence of the investigation into the 4 hijackings on 9/11.
Guess you never heard of Flight 800? Its so fun and easy to prove you guys wrong.
You have no real, physical evidence of AA77 hitting the Pentagon.

1. Between all the eyewitnesses they could not agree on what they saw.

2. NO official reports mataching parts or debris found to AA77.

3. NO official DNA reports of bodies from AA77 being in the building.

Name one witness who saw a missile hit the Penagon. Name one witness who saw the plane fly over the Pentagon.

They found tons of plane parts and the FDR at the Pentagon. But oh, I forgot, the Zionists planted them. Silly me.

The FBI identified DNA of passengers from body parts found inside the Pentagon. What more do you want?

[parky76]

Why do you guys seem so afraid of a new investigation?

This is one of the biggest lies any truther posts on any board.

I dont want another 9-11 investigation. i am satisfied by the first 2 and the criminal trials.

if truthers want another investigation..they are welcome to do it. but dont ask for my tax dollars or support.

why are Truthers soo desperate for debunkers to support their "new investigation"?? why cant they just do it??

what do they want from us? do they want us to do it for them? it does seem that way.

[PhantomWolf]

I'd have to point out that even with TWA800 the FBI hasn'r released a lot of the case files information. Just take a dip into the CT sites about it and see all the things they are claiming the FBI is hiding about it.

[Sparky]

Why do you guys seem so afraid of a new investigation?

Whats wrong with asking for a new investigation, speacilly since their has not been a proper investigation done and findings released? I will keep asking for a new investigation for as long as the family members do.

Why was their no proper investigation into the 4 hijackings on 9/11, only the buildings?

Go ahead. Have a new investigation. I double-dog dare you.

I'll even contribute $200. See how far you get.

[ULTIMA1]

Name one witness who saw a missile hit the Penagon.

Why do you have to change subjects instead of just answering a question. I never stated anything about a missile. PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC.

They found tons of plane parts

But no reports to match them to AA77.

The FBI identified DNA of passengers from body parts found inside the Pentagon. What more do you want?

Please show me DNA or cornor reports that state passengers from AA77 were inside the Pentagon.

[ULTIMA1]

I dont want another 9-11 investigation. i am satisfied by the first 2 and the criminal trials..

How can you be satisfied when after 7 years we still do not have most of the facts and evidence of what happened that day?

[parky76]

Why do you have to change subjects instead of just answering a question. I never stated anything about a missile. PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC.
But no reports to match them to AA77.
Please show me DNA or cornor reports that state passengers from AA77 were inside the Pentagon.

Do you think the FBI investigators told each other "hey guys, lets make sure the plane parts inside the Pentagon come from AA77 and not that OTHER airplane that crashed into the Pentagon"?? :D

Coroner reports proving that the body parts inside the Pentagon came from the passengers on 77 and not the OTHER plane? That might take some time.

:p

[parky76]

How can you be satisfied when after 7 years we still do not have most of the facts and evidence of what happened that day?

how can I be satisfied??? i am. you got a problem with that?

at least 2 investigations. multiple criminal trials in the USA and Spain. More to come.

the real question is:....how can I NOT be satisfied???? how can you NOT be satisfied?

[UNLoVedRebel]

Please show me DNA or cornor reports that state passengers from AA77 were inside the Pentagon.

Forensic Radiology: Response to the Pentagon Attack on September 11, 2001.
Harck, Bifano, Koeller

[parky76]

oooooh!!!! link link!!!

=)

[UNLoVedRebel]

oooooh!!!! link link!!!

=)

I found it on my University's database, but just copy and paste the title and google it. You don't need to be a subscriber to any particular database to access it.

[parky76]

http://radiology.rsnajnls.org/cgi/reprint/223/1/7.pdf

and there is the evidence. Ultima1.

[ULTIMA1]

how can I be satisfied??? i am. you got a problem with that?

Yes i have a big problem (along with most people with basic intelligence) that there has not been a release of the facts and evidence we should have.

What do trails have to do with a proper investigation into the 4 hijackings on 9/11?

[ULTIMA1]

[URL]
and there is the evidence. Ultima1.


Still waiting for a proper, official DNA or coroner report that states passengers from AA77 were in the Pentagon.

[dtugg]

Still waiting for a proper, official DNA or coroner report that states passengers from AA77 were in the Pentagon.

I assume that you want every single person convicted of a crime based on DNA to be released from prison because you don't have the actual coroner's report in your hands, correct?

[dit=chillzero]Edited for civility[/edit]

[UNLoVedRebel]

Still waiting for a proper, official DNA or coroner report that states passengers from AA77 were in the Pentagon.

You were given a report that states passengers from AA77 were in the pentagon. If you're not interested, don't pretend you are.

[ULTIMA1]

I assume that you want every single person convicted of a crime based on DNA to be released from prison because you don't have the actual coroner's report in your hands, correct?


Please do not misquote me, and stay on topic.

[ULTIMA1]

You were given a report that states passengers from AA77 were in the pentagon. If you're not interested, don't pretend you are.

Sorry but that was not a proper or official report.

Please try again.

[dtugg]

Please do not misquote me, and stay on topic.

I didn't misquote you, genius. You must no know what that means.

Anyway it follows that if you don't accept the coroners word on AA77, then you cannot accept it for any other case where DNA is used. So you must want everybody that is convicted based on DNA released from prison unless you have the actual reports in your hand.

[Whiplash]

I recently have gone back to watch an old TV show I used to enjoy, that got canceled after one season. It was called Nowhere Man. It is very obviously inspired by shows such as The Prisoner and The Fugitive.

The reason I bring it up is I think the storyline of the show is similar to how many truthers think. In the show, the protaganist is a photo journalist who took a picture of a military execution, and ends up having his entire life "erased" and he is sent on the run, alone, to try to stay alive, figure out who is out to get him, and keep them from getting the negatives to the picture.

In the show, the protaganist becomes increasingly paranoid and not sure who to trust because he can't be sure if he's dealing with some shadowy group that runs things behind the curtain, or if the entire government is corrupt. So he has no idea where he can even go for help or to get any kind of investigation. Over time it becomes clear he can trust no one, because the corruption reaches all levels of society and government. So who can he even go to? Who can help him?

I think truthers feel the same way about this whole thing. That the NWO or whatever shadow government is so deeply entrenched and controlling things behind the scenes that there can never be real justice from any of them. That no one in current power circles can do anything at all, either because they are in on it, or are unable to do anything for fear of getting their own lives destroyed by those above.

I think truthers push for "revolution" so much because they feel the only way "justice" will ever be done would be for a full blown revolution of the people, and then those very same people sit on the panels that judge these people. That it cannot be handled by anyone currently in power. That it will never be properly handled by anyone in power. That it will always be a whitewash. That only a true revolution of the people can uncover this evil, giagantic conspiracy that controls the entire world!

EDIT: there is a simliar theme in "The Prisoner". In the episodes such as "The Chimes of Big Ben" and "Many Happy Returns" he either escapes, or thinks he escaped, and talks with people he knows and thinks he can trust, but in the end, is returned to the village. Even he can trust no one, the corruption/conspiracy runs too deep.

[Grizzly Bear]

Anyway it follows that if you don't accept the coroners word on AA77, then you cannot accept it for any other case where DNA is used.
HEY! Didn't you know that coronors are only right when they say they "stopped being [a] coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there"

[UNLoVedRebel]

Sorry but that was not a proper or official report.

Please try again.

Yes it was. If you can't explain what's not proper about it, don't comment. You are flooding the forum with your repetitive and irrelevant posts.

To everyone else, I started another thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=129647) about ULTIMA1's constant breeching of rule 6. Comment if you feel he's "flooding" the forums. Thank you for your attention.

[ULTIMA1]

Anyway it follows that if you don't accept the coroners word on AA77, then you cannot accept it for any other case where DNA is used.


Let me make this simple as i can since you seem to have a hard time understanding.

I am waiting for a proper, official DNA report that shows passengers from AA77 were in the Pentagon.

I AM NOT ASKING ABOUT PRISONERS..can you understand that?

[ULTIMA1]

Yes it was. If you can't explain what's not proper about it, don't comment.

What offical agency is the report from?

Also please show me where it states passengers from AA77 were in the Pentagon.

[dtugg]

Let me make this simple as i can since you seem to have a hard time understanding.

I am waiting for a proper, official DNA report that shows passengers from AA77 were in the Pentagon.

I AM NOT ASKING ABOUT PRISONERS..can you understand that?

What makes you think that you should have the official report? Do they ever release such reports to the general public? Do you think that the coroner is lying?

[UNLoVedRebel]

What offical agency is the report from?

Armed Forces Institute of Pathology.

Also please show me where it states passengers from AA77 were in the Pentagon.

Read it yourself.

[ULTIMA1]

Read it yourself.

I did, nowhere does it state passengers from AA77 were in the Pentagon.

[ULTIMA1]

Do they ever release such reports to the general public?

Yes, there is someting called a FIOA request.

[parky76]

Yes i have a big problem (along with most people with basic intelligence) that there has not been a release of the facts and evidence we should have.

What do trails have to do with a proper investigation into the 4 hijackings on 9/11?

the word is "trials"...not trails...my friend. are you suggesting chemtrails had something to do with 9-11?

what do the trials have to do with 9-11? oh, just that a jury of 9 men and women decided, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the govenment evidence for 9-11 was accurate and sufficient to put a man behind bars for the rest of his life.

but what do you care about evidence.

[ULTIMA1]

the word is "trials"...not trails...my friend. are you suggesting chemtrails had something to do with 9-11?

what do the trials have to do with 9-11? oh, just that a jury of 9 men and women decided, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the govenment evidence for 9-11 was accurate and sufficient to put a man behind bars for the rest of his life..

Yes that was a trial for a person not a trial to decide if the official story was all there and correct.

So lets get back to the facts (or lack of) of the officail story not the trials.

[dtugg]

Yes that was a trial for a person not a trial to decide if the official story was all there and correct.

So lets get back to the facts (or lack of) of the officail [sic] story not the trials.

I explained this to you already. He was tried as a co-conspirator to 9/11. In order to prove those charges, the government also had to prove that al Qaeda did 9/11. He was convicted, therefore, the official story that al Qaeda did 9/11 has been held up in court.

[ULTIMA1]

He was convicted, therefore, the official story that al Qaeda did 9/11 has been held up in court.

WRONG, Only the few aspects of the officail story were used in the trial.

Their is still most of the facts and evidence about 9/11 not released.

Their are still dozens of questions about the officail story that need to be answered.

[dtugg]

WRONG, Only the few aspects of the officail [sic]story were used in the trial.

Their [sic] is still most of the facts and evidence about 9/11 not released.

Their are still dozens of questions about the officail [sic] story that need to be answered.

They usually don't use all the evidence they have in a trial. Otherwise it could take forever. They used some of the strongest they had and it held up. The official story held up in court otherwise brother Moussoui wouldn't be locked up in Florence ADX. If his lawyer was able to cast any kind of reasonable doubt that al Qaeda didn't do it, he wouldn't be in prison for the rest of his life.

And I ask again, when in the history of the FBI do they release all evidence that the have in a criminal investigation to the general public. Name one time, ever.

Any questions about the official story have been answered sufficiently. The fact that some morons refuse to accept that is nobody's problem but their own.

[PhantomWolf]

I imagine that ULTIMA1 will reject this too, but here is a report (http://www.911myths.com/images/f/f1/Edson2004.pdf) by the Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory discusing how they identified the passangers at the Pentagon along with other cases they have dealt with.

[ULTIMA1]

The official story held up in court otherwise brother Moussoui wouldn't be locked up in Florence ADX.

No the official story did not hold up in court, only a small part of the evidnece that was released that was used in court.

And I ask again, when in the history of the FBI do they release all evidence that the have in a criminal investigation to the general public. Name one time, ever.

Well if you go to this site you will find a whole page of CVR and FDR transcripts. http://aviation-safety.net/investigation/cvr/transcripts/


Any questions about the official story have been answered sufficiently. .

No they have not been answered. Since most of the facts and evidence has still not been released.

[parky76]

No they have not been answered. Since most of the facts and evidence has still not been released.

what "facts" and "evidence" would you like to see?

[funk de fino]

No the official story did not hold up in court, only a small part of the evidnece that was released that was used in court.

That evidence had been verified.

Well if you go to this site you will find a whole page of CVR and FDR transcripts. http://aviation-safety.net/investigation/cvr/transcripts/

Are those are FBI reports? Please read things before replying.

No they have not been answered. Since most of the facts and evidence has still not been released.

When are they ever?

[ULTIMA1]

what "facts" and "evidence" would you like to see?

Well mainly the The FBI and NTSB crime scene reports.

The FBI and NTSB report on all the parts found matching the 9/11 planes.

Security camera videos from the Pentagon and nearby buldings and highway camera.

The rest of the 40,000 photos that the FBI took of the crime scenes.

You know the actual reports, facts and evidence of what happened that day.

[ULTIMA1]

That evidence had been verified.

Only the small part that was used in court not the whole official story.

Are those are FBI reports? Please read things before replying.

I guess you cannot tell that some of those transcripts were from crime scenes.

When are they ever?

Funny how i can find other crime scene reports but nothing on 9/11, specially the 4 hijackings.

[parky76]

Well mainly the The FBI and NTSB crime scene reports.

The FBI and NTSB report on all the parts found matching the 9/11 planes.

Security camera videos from the Pentagon and nearby buldings and highway camera.

The rest of the 40,000 photos that the FBI took of the crime scenes.

You know the actual reports, facts and evidence of what happened that day.

since when has the FBI EVER released every single ounce of data and evidence they ever came up with.....from a criminal investigation?

what makes you think you deserve to see these things?

"hi...my name is Ultima1. i believe you are complicit in the murder of 3,000 civilians. i think you are co-conspirators in a horrible mass-murder. but id still like to see ALL the evidence you collected..not that it will ever change my mind about the FBI being NWO traitor scum. thank you for your time"

:D

[ULTIMA1]

"hi...my name is Ultima1. i believe you are complicit in the murder of 3,000 civilians. i think you are co-conspirators in a horrible mass-murder.

So funny how you guys have to misquote me and twist what i post.

[funk de fino]

Only the small part that was used in court not the whole official story.

Enough to convince a jury.

I guess you cannot tell that some of those transcripts were from crime scenes.

Show us them and show where it says they were part of an FBI investiagtion that the FBI released.

Funny how i can find other crime scene reports but nothing on 9/11, specially the 4 hijackings.

Are all crime scene reports for all crimes released to the general public? Yes or No?

[ULTIMA1]

Enough to convince a jury.

But not enough to prove the whole official story correct.

Show us them and show where it says they were part of an FBI investiagtion that the FBI released.

You really do dnot know much do you? Anytime a plane crash is considered a crime the FBI becomes the main investigating agency.

Are all crime scene reports for all crimes released to the general public? Yes or No?

Yes, most are after completed or by FOIA requests.

[twinstead]

This is stupid. Why on Earth would the FBI release information to a tiny paranoid group of couch investigooglers who aren't 'satisfied' with the FBI's investigation?

[dtugg]

I would like to note that the link he gave included three of the four 9/11 flights and they were the only ones on the list that involve crimes in the US. Too funny. Yet another epic failure on his part.

[dtugg]

Yes, most are after completed or by FOIA requests.

Tell me one major FBI investigation where they released all the information they had. Ever.

[ULTIMA1]

This is stupid. Why on Earth would the FBI release information to a tiny paranoid group of couch investigooglers who aren't 'satisfied' with the FBI's investigation?

Well if you knew anything about FOIA requests you would not ask that question.

Also it does not look good for them if they fail to release information that should be released.

[ULTIMA1]

Tell me one major FBI investigation where they released all the information they had. Ever.

Well i can find almost all the information on Flight 800 and KAL 007.

[~enigma~]

Well i can find almost all the information on Flight 800 and KAL 007.
Read what you quoted and explain how you equate all with almost all. you claim to work for the NSA but you can't even understand english!!!!!

[ULTIMA1]

Read what you quoted and explain how you equate all with almost all. you claim to work for the NSA but you can't even understand english!!!!!

Well i can find a lot of information on most all crime scenes excpet for 9/11. Why is that?

[dtugg]

Well i can find almost all the information on Flight 800 and KAL 007.

TWA800 wasn't even a crime. Anyhow, I would like to see the official DNA reports from the coroner IDing everyone on board. Otherwise how do I know they really died there? Also, photographs with serial numbers, otherwise it could have been a different plane.

KAL007 happened in the Soviet Union. Kind of out of the FBI's jurisdiction. Anyway, I would like to see official reports IDing everyone on board. Otherwise, how do I really know they died there? Also photographs with serial numbers, otherwise it could have been a different plane.



Guys, I doubt the official story that Ted Kaczynski was really the Unabomber. No matter that he confessed and was convicted. I haven't seen all the official reports from the FBI. Unless they release every scrap of evidence that they have, we can't be sure of the official story.

[funk de fino]

But not enough to prove the whole official story correct.

yes it is.

You really do dnot know much do you? Anytime a plane crash is considered a crime the FBI becomes the main investigating agency.

Then you should have no problem giving me a list of those crashes which were designated crimes, that are in your link, and show me that the FBI released the crime scene reports.

Yes, most are after completed or by FOIA requests.

That is incorrect.

[~enigma~]

Well i can find a lot of information on most all crime scenes excpet for 9/11. Why is that?
Unless you can answer the question I asked you why do you think I am going to waste my time answering a diversionary piece of tripe from you?

[A W Smith]

Ultima, you ignored this post
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4230826&postcount=81
why?

[Dave Rogers]

I imagine that ULTIMA1 will reject this too, but here is a report (http://www.911myths.com/images/f/f1/Edson2004.pdf) by the Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory discusing how they identified the passangers at the Pentagon along with other cases they have dealt with.

I see it contains the disclaimer:


The views presented in this paper are those of the authors and are not necessarily those of the United States Department of the Army, the United States Department of Defense, the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, the American Registry of Pathology, or the Department of Justice.


I suspect this will be more than sufficient grounds for ULTIMA1 to reject it.

Dave

[parky76]

If it in ANY way corresponds to the OCT...then he will disregard it.

thats..the truther way.

evidence= supportive of OCT ----> disregard!!!!

evidence = supportive of 9-11 conspiracy theories----> accept accept!!!!

[ULTIMA1]

TWA800 wasn't even a crime.

If it was not a crime scene why was the FBI working the case?

Actually Flight 800 was a crime scene twice.

It was originally thought that a bomb caused it to explode in mid-air.

Then witnesses came forward about seeing a missile.

[ULTIMA1]

Why is it that i can find investigations into all hijackings excpet the 4 on 9/11?

Why has there not been a proper investigation into the 4 hijackings on 9/11?

[240-185]

Why do you keep lying and NOT doing research?

[ULTIMA1]

Why do you keep lying and NOT doing research?

Thats funny, i seem to be the only 1 on here doing any real research. Everyone else seems to be brainwashed by the media.

[twinstead]

Thats funny, i seem to be the only 1 on here doing any real research. Everyone else seems to be brainwashed by the media.

Of course. That just HAS to be it. Intrepid ULTIMA1 valiantly trying to bring the truth to us unthinking automatons, huh?. LOL whatever gets you through the night.

[jhunter1163]

Delusions of grandeur ROCK!

[parky76]

Thats funny, i seem to be the only 1 on here doing any real research. Everyone else seems to be brainwashed by the media.

wow....you're a God!!!

how does it feel to be the only one who is not still plugged into..the Matrix?

:D

[Horatius]

If it was not a crime scene why was the FBI working the case?





Because, maybe just possibly, when a plane explodes in mid-air, the FBI might adopt the working theory that it's a crime, just in case it turns out to actually be a crime, so that any potential evidence isn't contaminated?

If the police were to find a dead body lying on the floor of a house, with a bullet wound, would you expect them to assume that it was a crime, or an accident? Why would this answer be any different from the FBI investigating a mid-air explosion?

[ULTIMA1]

Why do you keep lying and NOT doing research?

If i am lying then you should be able to show the official investigations into the 4 hijackings on 9/11.

I will be waiting for your response.

[ULTIMA1]

Of course. That just HAS to be it. Intrepid ULTIMA1 valiantly trying to bring the truth to us unthinking automatons, huh?.

Well if you still believe the official story even though most of the evidence has not been released and you do not do any research to find the truth then yes you are a unthinking automation.

[A W Smith]

Well if you still believe the official story even though most of the evidence has not been released and you do not do any research to find the truth then yes you are a unthinking automation.


I warn you. i am running out of space on my signature.

[ULTIMA1]

Because, maybe just possibly, when a plane explodes in mid-air, the FBI might adopt the working theory that it's a crime, just in case it turns out to actually be a crime, so that any potential evidence isn't contaminated?

Fact remains FLight 800 was a crime scene for at least a few months.

Please do research before responding.

[240-185]

If i am lying then you should be able to show the official investigations into the 4 hijackings on 9/11.

http://911guide.googlepages.com/cs

But I have better things to do than explaining something to someone who will ignore the answers he will dislike.

Well if you still believe the official story even though most of the evidence has not been released

Yet another lie.

[ULTIMA1]

[url]But I have better things to do than explaining something to someone who will ignore the answers he will dislike.

In other words you have no facts or evidence.

Yet another lie.

If i am lying then show me the FBI and NTSB crime scene reports.

Show me the Pentagon CCTV security videos.

Show me the 40,000 photos the FBI took.

Show me the reports that match asll the parts found to the 9/11 planes.

If you cannot then it will show who is being dishonest.

[Grizzly Bear]

If it was not a crime scene why was the FBI working the case?

Actually Flight 800 was a crime scene twice.

It was originally thought that a bomb caused it to explode in mid-air.

Then witnesses came forward about seeing a missile.

There were several speculated claims floating around in the aftermath of the flight 800 crash, between a bomb, a missile, and ultimately their final conclusion that fuel tank exploded after a wiring short circuit however, I would gather that the reason why it was investigated to begin with was because nothing was known about the crash to begin with.

On 9/11 three planes were purposely slammed into buildings, it was blisteringly obvious when the second plane crashed. Nothing was wrong mechanically with any of the planes, and phone calls were made from the planes conveying the information that they were hijacked. The cause of the crashes were self explanatory, and the culprits are dead...

There's nobody to convict, other than perhaps people who had the incompetence in handling intelligence prior to the attacks that might have lead to their prevention.

[240-185]

In other words you have no facts or evidence.
*virtual shake*
JesusChristSuchAHighLevelOfUnabilityToUnderstandEn glishShouldBeSeverelyPunished...

I don't want to "debate" with you because I know your method of... "discussion". Don't even write that you read my link (since you were abusing of reporting posts here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4234149#post4234149)). It takes more than 4 minutes to read this article.

If i am lying then show me the FBI and NTSB crime scene reports.
If you want what you're asking for, move up your arse.

[edit] As I'm in a good mood: here are some links:

http://www.ntsb.gov/info/foia_fri.htm
http://www.sptimes.com/News/091501/Worldandnation/FBI_analyzing_voice__.shtml

If they lead to a 404, just go to archive.org

[ULTIMA1]

There were several speculated claims floating around in the aftermath of the flight 800 crash, between a bomb, a missile, and ultimately their final conclusion that fuel tank exploded after a wiring short circuit however, I would gather that the reason why it was investigated to begin with was because nothing was known about the crash to begin with.

Fact remains FLight 800 was a crime scene for at least a few months.

Please do research before responding.

The cause of the crashes were self explanatory, and the culprits are dead...

So if we go by your logic if the cops find a body with a knife in it they do not need to have CSI do an investigation. Is that correct?

You do know that by law when a plane crash is considered a crime the FBI and NTSB have do an investigation?

[ULTIMA1]

If you want what you're asking for, move up your arse.


Thanks for proving i am not the one being dishonest.

[240-185]

[edit] As I'm in a good mood: here are some links:

http://www.ntsb.gov/info/foia_fri.htm
http://www.sptimes.com/News/091501/Worldandnation/FBI_analyzing_voice__.shtml

[ULTIMA1]

[edit] As I'm in a good mood: here are some links:

So where are the links for the investigations into the hijackings?

At least try to post evidence i ask for and not just post general infomration.

[parky76]

ultima1- have you actually looked for these links yourself...ever??

[240-185]

:bwall

Why did I remove the ignore filter... Oh, I remember now, "Suspended" != "Banned"

[ULTIMA1]

ultima1- have you actually looked for these links yourself...ever??

Yes i have, have you?

[ULTIMA1]

[QUOTE=240-185;4234211]:bwall

So where are the links for the investigations into the hijackings?

[parky76]

Yes i have, have you?

yes..i have. i looked at the 9-11 Commission, the evidence in the Moussoui trial, the NIST reports, and other sources. this is where I got most of my official details about what happened on 9-11.

what I did not understand, I was further convinced by various sources available at JREF, on Wikipedia, the various BBC specials, etc. plus I talked to my friend at the State Department, who thinks the conspiracy theories are just silly. and he looooves stupid theories.

and i was utterly and forever convinced that the No Plane Theory is lies...when I saw my neighbor's photos of the plane coming in to hit the second tower.

[ULTIMA1]

yes..i have. i looked at the 9-11 Commission, the evidence in the Moussoui trial, the NIST reports, and other sources. this is where I got most of my official details about what happened on 9-11.
.


So you should have no problem showing a few of the following.

1. Official reports matching all parts found to the 9/11 planes.

2. Official reports on the investigations in the 9/11 hijackings.

We know the 9/11 commisison did not have enough time or money to do a proper investigation.

The Moussoui trial has nothing to do with all the missing evidnece from the official story.

The NIST report for building 7 has been shown to be inproper. Plust the fact that several other agencise disagree with the WTC final report.

Do you have any real evidence from research sites?

[parky76]

i do not believe that you really care about the truth regarding 9-11. i think you are just here for fun and games.

maybe after posting for a few more weeks, and you avoid all personal attacks, in emails and posts, I might be willing to entertain your supposed curiosities. but not now.

until that time, you can find pretty much ANYTHING and EVERYTHING you need at the 9-11 Conspiracy Debunking resources section and at the Moussoui trial evidence.

Good luck.

[ULTIMA1]

until that time, you can find pretty much ANYTHING and EVERYTHING you need at the 9-11 Conspiracy Debunking resources section and at the Moussoui trial evidence.

I just hope i can have an adult disscussion on here without beleivers insulting me every couple of post.

Funny how you bring up the trial when its already been explained that not all the evidence was at the trial, because most of it has not been released. Also you do understand the trial was for a Moussoui not the official story?

So again the trial has nothing to do with the fact of the missing evidence for the the official story.

You do understand that there is a large amount of evidence that has not been released correct?

[PhantomWolf]

ULTIMA1, you do realize that the FBI has never released it's case file on TWA 800 either?

Also can you answer this...

Why have the 9/11 Truthers put their money togther, hired some professionals in the right feilds and done their own investigation in the last 7 years?

[ULTIMA1]

ULTIMA1, you do realize that the FBI has never released it's case file on TWA 800 either?

But i can find most of the information on Flight 800. A whole lot more then on any of the 9/11 planes.

Why have the 9/11 Truthers put their money togther, hired some professionals in the right feilds and done their own investigation in the last 7 years?

Gee with all the insults and attacks we get on here and you have to ask that question?

[parky76]

You do understand that there is a large amount of evidence that has not been released correct?

All that really needs to be released, to prove who did it, has been released. the rest is just mostly inconsequential details.

[ULTIMA1]

All that really needs to be released, to prove who did it, has been released. the rest is just mostly inconsequential details.

Yes we do need the evidence to be released to find out what really happened.

What has been released is not very good evidence. We need actual evidence that can be verified.

I mean do you see a 757 at the Pentagon in the security gate video that was released?

[parky76]

yes...i do. it is at an angle. i see the nose and the tail fin.

[ULTIMA1]

yes...i do. it is at an angle. i see the nose and the tail fin.

Please show me a frame that shows a AA 757 in that video.

[parky76]

oh for christ's sake.....look for yourself. you do have access to Google dont you?

why do i even bother. you will just accuse me of "failing to provide evidence".

=(

[ULTIMA1]

oh for christ's sake.....look for yourself. you do have access to Google dont you?

I have looked at the video many times, even by frames. There is no AA757 in that video.

Its only believers that see one there becasue they have been told its there.

[PhantomWolf]

But i can find most of the information on Flight 800. A whole lot more then on any of the 9/11 planes.

Can you give me the documentation that shows that the engine serial numbers were checked agianst those claimed to be TWA 800's?

Can you give me the evidence on how the wreckage claimed to be TWA 800 was proven to be TWA 800?

Can you give me the coroner's report on finding the bodies in the wreckage of TWA 800 and determiniung who they were via DNA thus preoving they were passangers on TWA 800?

Gee with all the insults and attacks we get on here and you have to ask that question?

Oh wow, someone here insulted you so you aren't able to conduct your own Investigation... How does that work?

[ULTIMA1]

Oh wow, someone here insulted you so you aren't able to conduct your own Investigation... How does that work?

Well and when the government / military state that questioning 9/11 is disloyal.

[ULTIMA1]

Can you give me the documentation that shows that the engine serial numbers were checked agianst those claimed to be TWA 800's?

We have a complete reconstrucion of Flight 800. Something we do not have for any of the 9/11 planes.

Oh wow, someone here insulted you so you aren't able to conduct your own Investigation... How does that work?

Well the fact that the government / military states that questioning 9/11 is disloyal.

[parky76]

http://www.bedoper.com/eastman/ldsxox1.gif

zoom in on the plane. you can pretty clearly see a tail fin.

ignore the animation. the tail fin is very clear. you can almost make out the "AA".

[ULTIMA1]

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2006/911-Pentagon-Crash18may06b.jpg

zoom in on the plane. you can pretty clearly see a tail fin.

Sorry it did not open. So is it a 757 tail fin?

[PhantomWolf]

I have looked at the video many times, even by frames. There is no AA757 in that video.

Its only believers that see one there becasue they have been told its there.

Look again.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1557949308c0a3f06b.gif

[ULTIMA1]

Look again.

Yes, so what am i supposed to see?

Their is no AA757 in that video no matter how hard you want there to be.

[applecorped]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOU8GIRUd_g

[PhantomWolf]

Yes, so what am i supposed to see?

Their is no AA757 in that video no matter how hard you want there to be.

Well here's a question. What are you expecting to be able to see? A nice clear shot of a plane? Not going to happen since the plane is well away from the focus point of the camera. Try working out what a plane in the frame would actually look like and then see if it's there.

[parky76]

Yes, so what am i supposed to see?

Their is no AA757 in that video no matter how hard you want there to be.

u must admit, that triangle shaped thing does look a lot like an airplane tail fin.

[PhantomWolf]

u must admit, that triangle shaped thing does look a lot like an airplane tail fin.

The tail fin isn't the best shot, the best one is the shot I have above which shows the entire plane. The issue with that shot is most people don't have a clue what the plane would actually look like when caught on a frame so they don't recognise it. That and the media all pointed to the wrong thing because they didn't have a clue what the plane would look like. Once you work out what the plane should look like in the shoot, it leaps out at you and smacks you between the eyes with a hammer.

[parky76]

Ultima is consciously ignoring the fact that the Pentagon CCTV camera was not a high speed camera, and along with the speed of the plane, it is impossible to get a clear image. but, amazingly, the tail is pretty clear.

[PhantomWolf]

Ultima is consciously ignoring the fact that the Pentagon CCTV camera was not a high speed camera, and along with the speed of the plane, it is impossible to get a clear image. but, amazingly, the tail is pretty clear.

True, though it's pretty clear in the one I posted too, well for a fuzzy blurred blob, but anyone that expects a perfect infocus plane is an idoit of the 9th degree. I honestly doubt that he'll answer my question about what the plane would look like in a frame taken by the camera because when he starts to work it out he'll either get it right, realise it is there and refuse to acknowledge such a thing, or he'll realise he doesn't have a clue, and thus has no way to determine if the plane is there or not.

[CHF]

ULTIMA1:

I'm not afraid of a new investigation and I don't think any other debunkers are either. The problem is that we don't see the need for one simply to satisfy the rantings of crazy people on the internet.

But for the sake of argument, let's say there was a need for a new investigation. You'd still be faced with the problem that twoofers continue to dodge: who should conduct this new investigation?

Who funds it?

Who testifies?

Which engineers and aviation experts can we trust?

Who passes final judgment?

I get the feeling that these questions (along with that pesky lack-of-evidence thing) is what really prevents twoofers from doing anything productive towards their supposed goal.

[CHF]

Yes, so what am i supposed to see?

Their is no AA757 in that video no matter how hard you want there to be.

There's also no clear video of me posting this message. In fact there's no video of it at all!

Does that mean I didn't just post it?

Or does other evidence (such as the post itself) sort of make the case anyway?

[ULTIMA1]

Well here's a question. What are you expecting to be able to see? A nice clear shot of a plane? .

But that is why we need to see all the other CCTV videos that the FBI confiscated.

So far there is no actual evidence of AA77 hitting the Pentagon.

[ULTIMA1]

u must admit, that triangle shaped thing does look a lot like an airplane tail fin.

But from what airplane? How can you state it was AA77 if all you can see is what looks like a tail?

[ULTIMA1]

The problem is that we don't see the need for one simply to satisfy the rantings of crazy people on the internet.

NO the problem is not to satisfy crazy people but to find the truth about what actually happened that day.

I mean after 7 years the official story is still missing the majority of evidence to support it.

As far as who should do the investigation we just need the FBI and NTSB to do the proper investigations they were supposed to do to begin with.

[CHF]

NO the problem is not to satisfy crazy people but to find the truth about what actually happened that day.

I mean after 7 years the official story is still missing the majority of evidence to support it.

No the problem is that twoofers refuse to acknowledge or accept evidence when its presented to them.

As far as who should do the investigation we just need the FBI and NTSB to do the proper investigations they were supposed to do to begin with.

They did their investigations and reached their conclusions using the very evidence that twoofers refuse to accept, so I'm not sure what you expect them to do at this point.

Is the FBI and NTSB supposed to scrap the phone calls, DNA and plane wreckage and start from scratch using only DR Griffin books?

[ULTIMA1]

No the problem is that twoofers refuse to acknowledge or accept evidence when its presented to them.

What evidence? I have been waiting for someone to post actual eviddnece to support the official story.

They did their investigations and reached their conclusions using the very evidence that twoofers refuse to accept, so I'm not sure what you expect them to do at this point.

NO they did not do proper investigations. The FBI only spent 5 days on the Pentagon crime scene. NIST failed to recover steel from building 7 for testing. There have been no investigations into the 4 hijackings.

Is the FBI and NTSB supposed to scrap the phone calls, DNA and plane wreckage ?

The phone calls have nothing to do with doing a proper investigation.

There is still no DNA reports about bodies from AA77 being in the Pentagon.

There are no reports matching the parts found to the 9/11 planes.

[CHF]

I get the impression that you're waiting for someone to place pieces of human bodies in your hands, along with the actual DNA reports that match those body parts to actual people.

Back in the real world, no one cares whether the FBI or NTSB reaches your absurd standards of proof.

So feel free to keep insisting that no DNA evidence exists.

Only the mentally ill hold-outs of the TM still cling to the no Flight 77 at the Pentagon theory anyway.

[ULTIMA1]

Back in the real world, no one cares whether the FBI or NTSB reaches your absurd standards of proof..


Actually back in the real world of doing proper investigations why have there not been propoer investigations done?

Why are you so afraid of a proper investigation being done?

[CHF]

Actually back in the real world of doing proper investigations why have there not been propoer investigations done?

Why are you so afraid of a proper investigation being done?

Because your idea of a "proper" investigation would likely involve you, Alex Jones and DR Griffin wandering around crash scenes looking for the spooks who planted all the body parts and plane wreckage.

[ULTIMA1]

Because your idea of a "proper" investigation would likely involve you, .

NO it involves actual, proper investigations that the FBI and NTSB should be doing.

[PhantomWolf]

But that is why we need to see all the other CCTV videos that the FBI confiscated.

So far there is no actual evidence of AA77 hitting the Pentagon.

I predicted you wouldn't answer the question. You don't need any other CCTV footage, and the FBI didn't confiscate any CCTV footage that hasn't been released anyway, the rest of the 85 videos which haven't been released were taken post crash or weren't pentagon videos (some were from NYC and some from Florida), the CCTV ones from the Doubletree, the Parking lot, the Citgo Station and the Traffic cam have all been released. All you need to do is consider the type of camera, the distance the plane was from the camera, and what the plane's paint job (or more importantly lack of paint) would make it look like, and then put those things together to predict what the plane would appear like in one of the frames. This isn't a trick question, nor is it a hard question. What do you expect the plane to look like if captured in the parking lot camera footage?

[ULTIMA1]

the CCTV ones from the Doubletree, the Parking lot, the Citgo Station and the Traffic cam have all been released. ?

Then show me all these vidoes that have been released.

What about the videos from the cameras on top of the Pentagon?

[240-185]

Then show me all these vidoes that have been released.

http://fligh...

WARNING! Here's the proof that ULTIMA1 does NOT read the links that are given to him!

[ULTIMA1]

WARNING! Here's the proof that ULTIMA1 does NOT read the links that are given to him!

Nice BS link.

Now why don't you try posting a real link with what i asked for or admit you are wrong.

[240-185]

If you knew what "humor" means, you would have understood that I was going to give you the link, until I realized I have ALREADY given that link TO YOU, and all you answered is that you were looking for pictures that didn't exist of cameras that didn't exist and you kept repeating your request like a child, ignoring right away the link of the videos at the Pentagon. And that's why I put you on ignore a first time.

If you don't remember this, I do. I can perfectly remember stupid behaviors.

[ULTIMA1]

and all you answered is that you were looking for pictures that didn't exist of cameras that didn't exist and you kept repeating your request like a child, .

Too bad i have shown photos of the camers on the roof of the Pentagon and other camers that were around the Pentagon. So i have proven the cameras exist.

So where are the videos to these cameras. Please be adult enough to have a normal discussion.

[240-185]

Too bad i have shown photos of the camers on the roof of the Pentagon. And other camers that were around the Pentagon.

I perfectly remember that you've shown some cameras that didn't clearly have the focus on the Pentagon itself, or didn't have the focus on the damaged wall (because they were watching cameras pointed to the ground), and you didn't do any research in order to know when these cameras have been installed.

[ULTIMA1]

because they were watching cameras pointed to the ground .

But the plane that hit the Pentagon was not up in the air was it? It hit at ground level. (at least according to the official story that you believe in)

There were at least 3 cameras on the roof of the Pentaogn at the section that was hit.

WHERE ARE THE VIDEOS FROM THESE CAMERAS?

[parky76]

maybe the Pentagon doesnt show it because only annoying 9-11 truthers are asking to see it.

[parky76]

Actually back in the real world of doing proper investigations why have there not been propoer investigations done?

Why are you so afraid of a proper investigation being done?

why are you so afraid of the truth?

[ULTIMA1]

why are you so afraid of the truth?

I am the one looking for the truth.

You just go by what you are told like a good little brainwashed media robot.

[parky76]

23 posts since 6:29 am.

[Pinch]

WHERE ARE THE VIDEOS FROM THESE CAMERAS?

Prove first that those cameras installed on the Pentagon roof a) were working, b) were recording and c) captured something worthwhile.

Simply having cameras installed does not mean they a) were working, b) were recording or c) captured anything worthwhile.

The renovated wedge was just barely open - what makes you think those security cameras were operating and if they were, what makes you think they were recording anything, and if they were recording anything, what makes you think they recorded anything of value?

You claim to work for the NSA. Surely you can find out the above.

PS. I worked in the Pentagon. I've been briefed on the security surrounding the building, including the surveillance. Remember that before you throw out some BS line you think sounds good.

[ULTIMA1]

23 posts since 6:29 am.

Well its bad when believers like you will not accept the facts and evidence shown that i have to keep posting more facts and evidence untill you are able to face reallity.

[ULTIMA1]

PS. I worked in the Pentagon. I've been briefed on the security surrounding the building, including the surveillance. .


Then you should know the cameras at the new wedge would have been up and running first thing as soone as the new wedge was open.

[dtugg]

Well its bad when believers like you will not accept the facts and evidence shown that i have to keep posting more facts and evidence untill [sic] you are able to face reallity. [sic]

I promise that the more you post, the more that you just convince everybody that you are a troll who doesn't know what he is talking about. You will never convince anybody of anything.

[240-185]

A picture is better than words:

http://gilou82.free.fr/debunk/PENTACAM.png

Not representing the real world, but gives an idea (<- precisions for ultima1)

[ULTIMA1]

I promise that the more you post, the more that you just convince everybody that you are a troll who doesn't know what he is talking about. You will never convince anybody of anything.

Why do you refuse to accept the facts and evidence shown?

Also the fact that most of the evidence has not been released so the official story has nothing to support it but you still believe it.

[parky76]

Ultima- why do you refuse to accept all the evidence showing that 9-11 was NOT an inside job, and instead just listen to whatever you are told by Alex Jones, Dylan Avery, and Jeff Rense?

why do you deny the truth?

how can you work for the NSA...and at the same time believe they are guilty of murdering 3,000 innocent people?

[ULTIMA1]

Not representing the real world,

Yes what you posted really shows how much of a fantasy world you live in..

How about the actual photos of the actual cameras.

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n268/phixer6/911/pcam1.jpg?t=1227966088

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n268/phixer6/911/pcam2.jpg?t=1227966120

As you can clearly see the cameras have a 360 view not just staright down.

[dtugg]

Why do you refuse to accept the facts and evidence shown?

Also the fact that most of the evidence has not been released so the official story has nothing to support it but you still believe it.

In 1100 posts you have yet to grace us with any facts or evidence, so yeah I don't accept what you say.

There is plenty of evidence to support the official story. In fact a co-conspirator is in prison for the rest of his life (and one vote away from getting the death penalty) because of it. And yes, the did have to prove that al Qaeda did 9/11 to convict him. Not all evidence that the FBI has has been released but they never release all the evidence they have in criminal investigations. By your standard, we should doubt that everybody that the FBI has put in prison was guilty because not all their evidence is available to the general public.

[ULTIMA1]

Ultima- why do you refuse to accept all the evidence showing that 9-11 was NOT an inside job,

Maybe because i have never stated that 9/11 was an inside job.

how can you work for the NSA...and at the same time believe they are guilty of murdering 3,000 innocent people?

Becasue NSA was not involved, NSA was one of the agencies that warned the government about the attacks.

[parky76]

no...my good friend. just because there is a globe around the camera DOES NOT mean it has a 360 degree view. that is a security mechanism to protect the lense and to keep people from knowing which direction the camera is pointing.

we have globe covers at cameras where i work..and the cameras cannot move. they have about a 45 degree view.

[ULTIMA1]

There is plenty of evidence to support the official story..

You have no evidnece to suport the official story since most of it has not been released and what had been released questions the official story.

[parky76]

Maybe because i have never stated that 9/11 was an inside job.

Becasue NSA was not involved, NSA was one of the agencies that warned the government about the attacks.

haa!!

9-11 was an inside job..and the National Security Agency was NOT involved?

thats funny.

[ULTIMA1]

. that is a security mechanism to protect the lense and to keep people from knowing which direction the camera is pointing.


Yes exactly so you cannot tell were the camera is pointing when it moves.

Thanks for admtting that.

[ULTIMA1]

9-11 was an inside job..and the National Security Agency was NOT involved?

Why do you have to be so immature and misquote me.

It only makes you look more immature.

[Mr.Herbert]

You just go by what you are told like a good little brainwashed media robot.

I am a robot

WARNING WILL ROBINSON

[parky76]

You have no evidnece to suport the official story since most of it has not been released and what had been released questions the official story.

no evidence?

here is ALL the evidence.


http://www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/

read up.

[Homeland Insurgency]

Has anyone found any truthers yet never mind a majority who don't want a new investigation into 9/11?

[dtugg]

You have no evidnece [sic] to suport [sic]the official story since most of it has not been released and what had been released questions the official story.

I doubt the official story that Ted Kaczynski was the Unabomber. The FBI investigation into the Unabomber was one of the most extensive ever. Yet, they refuse to release most of their evidence. Why is this? I think that it is because they are hiding something. It doesn't matter that it was proven in a court of law and that he confessed. There is still no real evidence that he was the Unabomber.

I know that you probably don't understand this, but it is an analogy. It applies perfectly to 9/11.

[240-185]

no evidence?
here is ALL the evidence.
http://www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/
read up.

No, he wants SOURCED evidences :D
"No source" == "faked" for U1

[ULTIMA1]

It applies perfectly to 9/11.

Yes it does, just because there was a trial and someone was conficted does not mean the official story was proven correct. Specially since most of the evidence has still not been released.

[Mr.Herbert]

Why do you have to be so immature and misquote me.

It only makes you look more immature.

Ultima,

YOU made the claim the YOU read a classified document from the NSA in regards to flight 93 being intercepted.

viola! The NSA is involved.

Caught again sir. Your disingenuous posts are adding up here.

[Mr.Herbert]

Yes it does, just because there was a trial and someone was conficted[sic] does not mean the official story was proven correct.

He was proven GUILTY in a court of law beyond reasonable doubt. If you ever bothered to read through the abundance of evidence you will see it does in fact prove that it was correct.

[ULTIMA1]

YOU made the claim the YOU read a classified document from the NSA in regards to flight 93 being intercepted.

viola! The NSA is involved. .


Please explain to me how that makes NSA involved?

Just becasie NSA has a document that proves the official story wrong you have to attack NSA?

[dtugg]

Yes it does, just because there was a trial and someone was conficted [sic] does not mean the official story was proven correct. Specially [sic] since most of the evidence has still not been released.

Yes it does. They had to prove that al Qaeda did 9/11 to convict Moussoui. Oddly enough he is serving a life term in prison.

[ULTIMA1]

He was proven GUILTY in a court of law beyond reasonable doubt. .

Yes it does. They had to prove that al Qaeda did 9/11 to convict Moussoui. Oddly enough he is serving a life term in prison.

Look at this quote and then compare it 9/11.

It doesn't matter that it was proven in a court of law and that he confessed. There is still no real evidence that he was the Unabomber.

It does not matter that he was proven guilty in a court of law there is still no real evidence to support the official story.

[parky76]

It does not matter that he was proven guilty in a court of law there is still no real evidence to support the official story.

the evidence for the "official story" is what convicted him.

you must think the folks on the jury were all paid or threatened.

[Mr.Herbert]

Please explain to me how that makes NSA involved?

Just becasie[sic] NSA has a document that proves the official story wrong you have to attack NSA?


Um? Hello? Read your post Roger.

They have documentation.

They are keeping it secret.

They are part of the cover up.

[dtugg]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

I knew you wouldn't understand what I was trying to say with the Unabomber analogy. Of course Kaczynski was the Unabomber. One would have to be stupid to doubt it just because all the evidence that the FBI has hasn't been released to the general public. Just like one would have to be stupid to doubt that al Qaeda did 9/11 just because all the evidence that the FBI has hasn't been released to the general public.

[ULTIMA1]

They are keeping it secret..


They are not keeping it secret, it has been mentioned on many sites. But then you would know that if you read my post or did any research.

I am also getting a copy of the document through FOIA.

[ULTIMA1]

I knew you wouldn't understand what I was trying to say with the Unabomber analogy.

Oh so now you have to hurry up and back peddle since you have stated something that i agree with and shows exactly how the official story does not have enough evidence to support it.

[dtugg]

Oh so now you have to hurry up and back peddle since you have stated something that i agree with and shows exactly how the official story does not have enough evidence to support it.

I was being sarcastic, genius, that was obvious to everybody but you. I don't need to back peddle. I take it you actually doubt that Kaczynski was the Unabomber?

[ULTIMA1]

. I take it you actually doubt that Kaczynski was the Unabomber?

NO, but the point was proven about the official story not having the evidence to support it.

The trail has nothing to do with the fact of all the missing evidence to support the official story.

[dtugg]

NO, but the point was proven about the official story not having the evidence to support it.

The trail [sic] has nothing to do with the fact of all the missing evidence to support the official story.

So you don't doubt that Kaczynski was the Unabomber even though the FBI hasn't released all the evidence of their very large investigation but you doubt that al Qaeda did 9/11 because they haven't released all the evidence of their very large investigation? Do I have this correct?

[twinstead]

So you don't doubt that Kaczynski was the Unabomber even though the FBI hasn't released all the evidence of their very large investigation but you doubt that al Qaeda did 9/11 because they haven't released all the evidence of their very large investigation? Do I have this correct?

Of course we all know the reason this double standard exists has nothing to do with evidence, or lack thereof, but is all about ideology and world view. I'm sure ULTIMA1 could very well declare the Unabomber to be an inside job because the FBI hasn't released all their evidence in that case too; he just doesn't have any vested interest in it.

[Sparky]

Yes what you posted really shows how much of a fantasy world you live in..

How about the actual photos of the actual cameras.

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n268/phixer6/911/pcam1.jpg?t=1227966088

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n268/phixer6/911/pcam2.jpg?t=1227966120

As you can clearly see the cameras have a 360 view not just staright down.

Now I have to step in and tell you that you have absolutely no clue as to what you are talking about. Having installed many of those cameras in the past I can tell you that they have a range of view of 2.2-58 degrees depending on the focal length of the selected lens and the zoom settings. Therefore, the camera would still have to be pointed in the correct direction at the time of the crash.

http://computarganz.com/product_view.cfm?product_id=239

FAIL!

[johnny karate]

They are not keeping it secret, it has been mentioned on many sites. But then you would know that if you read my post or did any research.

I am also getting a copy of the document through FOIA.

Clearly, those websites and any released documents serve as a smokescreen to hide the NSA's true culpability. They are guilty of taking part in a heinous crime and covering it up, and will hopefully be brought to justice.

[dtugg]

Clearly, those websites and any released documents serve as a smokescreen to hide the NSA's true culpability. They are guilty of taking part in a heinous crime and covering it up, and will hopefully be brought to justice.

I think that ULTIMA1 was actually the mastermind behind 9/11. He is now spending a bunch of time trolling message boards to trow everybody off the trail. Nobody would suspect that an NSA intelligence analyst who claims to questions the official story was actually behind 9/11. Disinfo!

[PhantomWolf]

Then show me all these vidoes that have been released.

What about the videos from the cameras on top of the Pentagon?

And once more you play dodgeball and refuse to answer my question. Stop being lazy and go look the videos up on YouTube. They are there because I have seen them on it and unless you are actually willing to answer my question I don't see why I should bother to do diddly squat for you.

What do you expect the plane to look like if captured in the parking lot camera footage?

Until you answer this question then your claim that there is no plane in it is invalid because until you can show what a plane in the footage would actually look like, how can you be so sure it's not there? Merely saying it isn't there because you don't see it because you have no idea what you're looking for is not evidence it isn't really there.

As to the video cameras on the Pentagon roof. How about you prove that said camera actually were connected to recording devices rather than just providing live footage? But do this after you explain what you expect the plane to look like if captured in the parking lot camera footage cause I'd hate to see you hurt yourself doing all this dodging.

[parky76]

The Pentagon isnt going to release any more videos. Deal with it.

[Whiplash]

I am a robot

WARNING WILL ROBINSON

Psst, I think it's "Danger" ;)

[1337m4n]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1680347e30cae71f0c.gif

For reference I believe the original topic was "Why don't 9-11 Truthers want a New Investigation?"

I thought it was a really good question. Why don't they? They sure talk about it enough. But they've never done anything to bring it about.

What do you think ULTIMA?

[parky76]

avoid...rerail...deny....filibuster....

this is the way...of the Truth.

:D

[ULTIMA1]

They are guilty of taking part in a heinous crime and covering it up, and will hopefully be brought to justice.

Oh so are you saying 9/11 was an inside job?

[ULTIMA1]

The Pentagon isnt going to release any more videos. Deal with it.

There is no reason for the videos not to be released unless they are hiding something.

[parky76]

why should they release videos that have nothing on them? isnt that kind of a useless request?

[parky76]

Oh so are you saying 9/11 was an inside job?

if we agree it was an inside job..will you limit yourself to the Puzzles section?

[ULTIMA1]

why should they release videos that have nothing on them? isnt that kind of a useless request?

Oh, so you know for a fact there is nothing on them?

Where is your evidence of this?

[ULTIMA1]

if we agree it was an inside job..will you limit yourself to the Puzzles section?

Only if you can prove it was an inside job.

I am still looking for the truth of what happened that day.

[parky76]

:eye-poppi

[ULTIMA1]

:eye-poppi

So can you prove it was an inside job or not?

[dtugg]

Where were you on 9/11, ULTIMA1?

[MIKILLINI]

So Ultima, what was discovered in the damaged area of the Pentagon?

[ULTIMA1]

Where were you on 9/11, ULTIMA1?

Working in a government building that was evacuated becasue we might have been a target.

[chillzero]

Please don't just move the bickering from one closed thread to the next.

[Mr.Herbert]

So can you prove it was an inside job or not?


It has been proven that it was not. You, Roger fail to look at any evidence that contradicts your wishful thinking of a conspiracy. This is typical of all truthers.

Your posts clearly show that you are not looking for answers, you are looking for arguments. There are many folks in here that have attempted to answer your question, but you ignore them, call them "believers," and continue your merry-go-round of ignorant posts.

[ULTIMA1]

So Ultima, what was discovered in the damaged area of the Pentagon?

Not much according to what photos and evidence that has been released, also since the FBI only worked the crime scene for 5 days.

Funny 1 of the biggest crime scenes in FBI histroy and the were only worked it 5 days.

[dtugg]

Working in a government building that was evacuated becasue [sic] we might have been a target.

Can you prove that? How do I know you weren't directing the attacks from a bunker deep under Ft. Meade?

[ULTIMA1]

It has been proven that it was not. You, Roger fail to look at any evidence that contradicts your wishful thinking of a conspiracy.

Well i have never stated it was a inside job or a conspiracy, i am looking for the truth of what really happened.

The only conspiracy is the official story since it is based on a conspiracy.

[ULTIMA1]

Can you prove that? How do I know you weren't directing the attacks from a bunker deep under Ft. Mead?

Can you prove you are older then 12?

Actaully you answered you own queston when you stated Ft. Meade.

[MIKILLINI]

Not much according to what photos and evidence that has been released, also since the FBI only worked the crime scene for 5 days.

Funny 1 of the biggest crime scenes in FBI histroy and the were only worked it 5 days.

Not much, meaning...what? In terms of your investigating, have you a list of noun type items that were discovered in the debris of the Pentagon?

[dtugg]

Can you prove you are older then 12?

Actaully [sic] you answered you own queston [sic] when you stated Ft. Meade.

Ft. Meade is where NSA headquarters is, right? How do I know you guys don't have some sort of super secret bunker deep underground where you carry out false flag terror attacks?

[ULTIMA1]

How do I know you guys don't have some sort of super secret bunker deep underground where you carry out false flag terror attacks?

So are you saying that 9/11 was an inside job then?

Do you have any evidence or is this another fantasy from the beleivers who do not do research?

[dtugg]

So are you saying that 9/11 was an inside job then?

Do you have any evidence or is this another fantasy from the beleivers [sic] who do not do research?

I think it was an ULTIMA1 job. Prove me wrong.

[chillzero]

dtugg and ultima1. Stop bickering. Either place each other on ignore, or learn to discuss matters in a civil fashion. If you cannot, you will both be subject to further moderator action.

[chillzero]

Posts moved to AAH. Stop it now.

[MIKILLINI]

Not much, meaning...what? In terms of your investigating, have you a list of noun type items that were discovered in the debris of the Pentagon?

*Bump* for Ultima.

[johnny karate]

Oh so are you saying 9/11 was an inside job?

Unfortunately, we don't have enough information to make that determination because the NSA has been destroying evidence and spreading disinformation.

If 9/11 was an inside job (and that's a big "if"), it was almost certainly carried out by agents of the NSA, and is now being covered up by them.

[PhantomWolf]

When you return ULTIMA1, could you get around to answering this questiom, I'm sure you were about to before you got yourself suspended.

What do you expect the plane to look like if captured in the parking lot camera footage?

[PhantomWolf]

There is no reason for the videos not to be released unless they are hiding something.

Unless the videos don't exist, something you are yet to show.