Operation Keelhaul

[moon1969]

Was Operation Keelhaul a conspiracy and why doesn"t the USA media ever talk about Operation Keelhaul?

[Silly Green Monkey]

Any more information about this? dates, places, names?

[sleeplessdwarf]

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn called this operation "the last secret of World War II." He contributed to a legal defence fund set up to help Nikolai Tolstoy, who was charged with libel in a 1989 case brought up by Lord Aldington over war crimes allegations made by Tolstoy related to this operation. Tolstoy lost the case.

Tolstoy described the scene of Americans returning to the internment camp after having delivered a shipment of people to the Russians:

The Americans returned to Plattling visibly shamefaced. Before their departure from the rendezvous in the forest, many had seen rows of bodies already hanging from the branches of nearby trees. On their return, even the SS men in a neighbouring compound lined the wire fence and railed at them for their behaviour. The Americans were too ashamed to reply.[2]

In 1957 a Polish anti-communist writer Józef Mackiewicz published Kontra, a narrative account of this event.

Some critics addressing the subject have claimed that Operation Keelhaul, if it happened today, would currently be classified a crime of war punishable under international law, because of the summary executions which took place as the consequences of turning over military prisoners, and also because of the alleged murder and rape of refugee women and children from anti-communist eastern European, Russian and Cossack families.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Keelhaul

Doesn't seem like a CT. It may be another dark moment in USA past, that is not spoken of in the media, but then again, does your news often report on all the bad stuff that happend at some point in hisory? Mine doesn't.

[Alareth]

Was it port to starboard keelhauling or stem to stern keelhauling?

[PhantomWolf]

Was Operation Keelhaul a conspiracy and why doesn"t the USA media ever talk about Operation Keelhaul?

Probably because it happened 63 years ago! Stop living in the past man.

[Zep]

So who exactly did the killings? The British and American troops handing the prisoners over alive? Or the Russian troops who received them.

Once we determine that exactly, doesn't that then point clearly to the perpetrators?

[PhantomWolf]

The Soviets did it. Moon1969 seems to have an irrational hatred of a country that no longer exists.

[WildCat]

Can't we find a way to blame Bush for this?

[Zep]

Da! Tovarich Buschski!

[dudalb]

The Soviets did it. Moon1969 seems to have an irrational hatred of a country that no longer exists.


As a Finn, Moon1969 has very good reasons for not likeing the ex Soviet Union, and being a little concerned about the current path that Russia seems to be taking .
Where he goes off the tracks is his apparent Anti Semitism and attempts to peddle World War 2 "Moral Equivilency" on us.
And, yes, operation Keelhaul was reprehensible. I think it was pretty clear to the allies what would happen to the Russians they turned over to the Soviets.
The tragedy is that , apparetnly, Stalin made little distinction between Russians who went over the Germans, and those who has the misfortune to be taken prisoner (laregly because of Stalin';s inept military leadership in the early stages of the war).

[Pardalis]

And, yes, operation Keelhaul was reprehensible. I think it was pretty clear to the allies what would happen to the Russians they turned over to the Soviets.

Not that I want to excuse what we did, but we just went through a disastrous and costly world war, we just simply didn't want to antagonize one of our allies and start another war.

[PhantomWolf]

Not that I want to excuse what we did, but we just went through a disastrous and costly world war, we just simply didn't want to antagonize one of our allies and start another war.

What do you mean we Kemosabe?

[PhantomWolf]

As a Finn, Moon1969 has very good reasons for not likeing the ex Soviet Union, and being a little concerned about the current path that Russia seems to be taking.

I can understand not liking the old Soviet Union, but living in the past gets you nowhere and 700 years later you desendants are at war because 700 years ago you lot invaded us. Complaining that the US Media isn't covering 60 year old attrocities on a daily basis seems utterly daft to me. They don't seem to mention Cambodia either, and that was far more modern history. Heck if it wasn't for the fact a new war had broken out next door, I doubt they'd even be mentioning Rwanda.

[dudalb]

I can understand not liking the old Soviet Union, but living in the past gets you nowhere and 700 years later you desendants are at war because 700 years ago you lot invaded us. Complaining that the US Media isn't covering 60 year old attrocities on a daily basis seems utterly daft to me. They don't seem to mention Cambodia either, and that was far more modern history. Heck if it wasn't for the fact a new war had broken out next door, I doubt they'd even be mentioning Rwanda.


To a lot of us, the "New" Russian Federation is beginning to look, at least as far as it's attiudes towards it neighbors goes, like the Old Soviet Union.
But moon is taking it beyond leigitimate concern to silliness.