Ace Baker Is Getting Desperate

[Walter Ego]

This plea by Ace from the comments on this post (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2008/11/simon-shack-collapse-videos-are-fake.html)on the Screw Loose Change blog was too good not to share.

Thusfar there appear to be zero witnesses to any plane crashes at WTC on 9/11. I have heard many rumors of such witnesses, and see a couple of videos of unnamed people claiming to have seen a plane.

But I've not found a single witness who will talk to me. I have called the fire department in New York, and was told (essentially) to **** the hell off.

Could anyone here please help me contact just one of the million witnesses?

My email is ******

Ace Baker

http://www.haloscan.com/comments.php?user=screwloosechange &comment=1511665426666609140#183354

[dtugg]

If Ace was really serious about finding eyewitnesses, he would go to NYC and start asking people on the street. I guarantee that he would find some. Then of course, he would dismiss them as liars because he knows that all the videos were faked and that it is physically impossible for an aluminum plane to enter a steel building.

I told Ace what I saw a little while ago when he was posting here under a sock. Apparently it wasn't good enough because he doesn't know my identity. As if I am going to reveal my name and contact info to a crazy person that thinks I am a shill for the government.

Nobody is going to go out their way to contact a crazy person who believes that the most traumatic thing they have ever seen was a gigantic hoax.

Ace, I know you are probably reading this: You are insane.

[AJM8125]

Uh, Ace?

But I've not found a single witness who will talk to me. I have called the fire department in New York, and was told (essentially) to **** the hell off.


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[T.A.M.]

HE is not serious about talking to the witnesses. He is sarcastically trying to make a point.

"oh look of the thousands of alleged witnesses, we have no testimony that they actually saw the plane hit the WTC. CGI!!! CGI!!!"

TAM:)

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What about the video used in the BBC film which shows the plane impact, after hearing the engines first and also seeing people react as it flew overhead?

It debunks everything he claims.

[Arus808]

This exactly shows why no one takes people like Ace seriously. HE expects people to contact him? Where is the ground work Ace, You know, you SEARCHING for the truth?

YOU get off your lazy freaking ass and make your way to NEW YORK city, and you go to the 200 odd firestations involved in the search and rescue and ask them point blank what you want to know.


My aunt and uncle were witnesses to both plane crashes, HOwever i will not subject them berating questioning, of blowhard cowards, who will only twist their statements (and because English is a second language to them, their statement will only be twisted more), to fit their agenda.

[CptColumbo]

This plea by Ace from the comments on this post (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2008/11/simon-shack-collapse-videos-are-fake.html)on the Screw Loose Change blog was too good not to share.

Thusfar there appear to be zero witnesses to any plane crashes at WTC on 9/11.
"Don't you love farce?"
I have heard many rumors of such witnesses, and see a couple of videos of unnamed people claiming to have seen a plane.
"My fault, I fear."
But I've not found a single witness who will talk to me.
"I thought that you want what I want."
I have called the fire department in New York, and was told (essentially) to **** the hell off.
"Sorry, my dear."
Could anyone here please help me contact just one of the million witnesses?
"Where are the clowns?"
My email is ******
"Quick, send in the clowns."
Ace Baker
"Don't bother, [he's] already here."

[Brainache]

Ace has been saying the same thing for at least the last two years. He has been given lots of first hand accounts from people who saw the attacks with their own eyes, but he refuses to accept it. If a thousand people responded to his request with their own accounts and home videos never before made public, he would continue to reject them and continue to state that no one saw the planes. He is, as Pomeroo would say, ineducable.

[fullflavormenthol]

Ace is crazy. I mean I lack the qualifications to really have a debate with Ace. Oh not that I can't explain to him why his "research" is incorrect. Oh not that I can't explain to him how he has no idea about how motion tracking really works in After effect. Not that I can't explain to him why creating a special effect in Apple Motion is completely different than live compositing.

No...I am not qualified because I do not have a degree in Psychology and I am not a licensed therapist. Only then would I be able to offer Ace the help he needs.

[dtugg]

I wonder if Ace is going to waste his entire life trying to prove that his ridiculous fantasy is true.

[Alareth]

Witness: "Ace Baker, I swear that I witnessed a commercial airliner strike the WTC tower."

Ace Baker: "You are mistaken, you couldn't have seen it. Why can't I get any real witnesses that will state on the record they saw a plane hit the towers?"

[UNLoVedRebel]

Now we know where the CIT douches got their game plan. All the witnesses who agree with us are right, all the witness who don't were either fooled, or are paid shills. Go get 'em Colombo.

[Thunder]

my aunt saw the 2nd plane hit. my parents neighbor saw the 2nd plane hit. their friend in another building saw the 2nd plane hit.

i was showed great photos of the 2nd plane in 2002..but at the time i just saw them as sad and i wanted to have nothing to do with them. now i wish i had made copies cause he has misplaced them. =(

all he would have to do is post an ad in the Village Voice, NY Daily News, or NY Post, offering $20 to anyone who saw the planes to contact him. its that simple.

[Horatius]

all he would have to do is post an ad in the Village Voice, NY Daily News, or NY Post, offering $20 to anyone who saw the planes to contact him. its that simple.



At which point he could ignore them all, as every single one of them would automatically be a paid shill.


Giving him advice on how to find witnesses is only useful if he honestly wants to find witnesses.

[Thunder]

At which point he could ignore them all, as every single one of them would automatically be a paid shill.


Giving him advice on how to find witnesses is only useful if he honestly wants to find witnesses.

oh, come on, give the man the benefit of the doubt.

:D

[fullflavormenthol]

Seriously. Steven Wright showed him. I argued with him, and explained why he was mistaken; and the whole time understood that I was not talking to an equal on the whole digital effects issue. Ace has his ideas, and he isn't going to change. Lets just hope he stays non-violent about things waiting for another Melrose Place show to come about. He might have hope given the 90210 was brought back.:D

[JihadJane]

Ace, I know you are probably reading this: You are insane.

The majority of the comments on the Screw Loose Change blog are insane. It's the sewer of the 911'sTwoo Movement. Why focus on Ace?

[UNLoVedRebel]

The majority of the comments on the Screw Loose Change blog are insane. It's the sewer of the 911'sTwoo Movement. Why focus on Ace?

Because he's actually smart compared to the diaper wearing conspiracy theorists like Zakir Naik.

[JihadJane]

Because he's actually smart compared to the diaper wearing conspiracy theorists like Zakir Naik.

Who changes Zakir Naik's diapers?

[UNLoVedRebel]

Who changes Zakir Naik's diapers?

No one, by the looks of it. http://static.dailymotion.com/dyn/preview/320x240/6028137.jpgTwoofers aren't known for their spectacular hygiene. Take a look at Jim Hoffman too.

[Jonnyclueless]

It sure was lucky that so many people just left their cameras on tripods filming that day. And it sure is lucky for those daring capers that there just happened to be no one in a city of millions noticing a building burning after being hit by a plane while making the biggest news headlines that morning ever.

[JihadJane]

No one, by the looks of it. http://static.dailymotion.com/dyn/preview/320x240/6028137.jpgTwoofers aren't known for their spectacular hygiene. Take a look at Jim Hoffman too.

:confused:

But you can't even see his pants. What are you on about?

[WildCat]

:confused:

But you can't even see his pants. What are you on about?
The diarrhea spewing from his mouth.

[UNLoVedRebel]

:confused:

But you can't even see his pants. What are you on about?

The diaper is on his head.

[cyclonic]

Because he's actually smart compared to the diaper wearing conspiracy theorists like Zakir Naik.

This is real funny 911woo, done with an accent,lol.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=G-fDgXzAj_o

[UNLoVedRebel]

I shouldn't feed trolls. This was pomeroo's (may he rest in peace) demise. [/back to our regularly scheduled programming]

[Foolmewunz]

Diaper-wearing, e.g. on his head???!!!

Do we really need to be on that particular level?

What's that old line about wrestling with a pig?

[Stupid]

'Diaper on head' is childish, and has nothing to do with the subject.

...back to subject.....

No doubt many, many people were watching the pertinent side of the tower and the second hit, and many several were video taping it.

What the no-planers refuse to acknowledge, is that there is no documentation or witnesses that DID NOT see a plane.
One would expect that if many, many New Yorkers did NOT see a plane...just an explosion suddenly appearing on the building's facade....and then those people later saw a jet on TV....those people would certainly make a BIG stink about it. In fact, if the no-planer claim's were true, we would expect to see MORE people who DIDN'T see a plane, than those who did, right?

What the live witnesses saw in person, and what they saw on TV later in the day, certainly coincided, which is why there is dead silence in the empty hall at the "I saw nothing on 911" convention.
The no-planers like Ace, haven't even trickled an ooze of logic on their favor, concerning this aspect.

=S=

[Dr Adequate]

The majority of the comments on the Screw Loose Change blog are insane. It's the sewer of the 911'sTwoo Movement. Why focus on Ace? 'Cos most of you are as dull as watching paint dry. That's the trouble, you see, with most monomaniacs: by their very nature, they end up stale, boring, and repetitive. And, in your case, whiney.

At least Ace isn't a one-trick pony.

[JihadJane]

'Cos most of you are as dull as watching paint dry. That's the trouble, you see, with most monomaniacs: by their very nature, they end up stale, boring, and repetitive. And, in your case, whiney.

At least Ace isn't a one-trick pony.

I assume your "you" refers to twoofy woofers. Very few of them seem to bother with SLC. Whenever I visit, if they are not fantasising about their twoofer pets' personal hygiene and living conditions (see above) the enlightened ones are having conversations about, pretending to be or pretending that all twoofers posting there are ... Boris Epstein sockpuppets.

It's one of the weirdest places on the web even compared with other fringe special interest celebrity gossip columns.

[Walter Ego]

'Cos most of you are as dull as watching paint dry. That's the trouble, you see, with most monomaniacs: by their very nature, they end up stale, boring, and repetitive. And, in your case, whiney.

At least Ace isn't a one-trick pony.

Which is why I pulled the quote. I rate truthers on their entertainment value which is the only value they have. Speaking of entertainment, read this from the same comment thread.

I'm paranoid for thinking Steven Jones is an insider? Guess what? I happen to pretty much agree with the debunking of his thermite theory. It's ridiculous, and his iron spheres and sulphur are pretty easily explained innocently.

But can anyone honestly say that Steven Jones is dumb? Come on. He is a nuclear physicist. He is not mistaken, he is lying. His job was to destroy the case for molten metal, and to push a weak theory about thermite that he KNOWS is debunkable.

I suspect Jones knows the type of explosives that were used, it was something highly exotic, some highly efficient, low radiation nuclear reaction. I'll bet the kindly Dr. Jones had a big hand in developing the stuff during his years at Los Alamos.

-Ace Baker

[Dave Rogers]

Just out of interest, how many people on this forum have made posts directed at truthseeker1234 or Steven Lupo Grossi (Ace and his sock puppet), that he has acknowledged having read? I'm sure I remember a few. Does he say why they don't count?

Dave

[dtugg]

LOL. Thermite is ridiculous but some sort of super secret mini-nuke is perfect reasonable. Sure.

[dtugg]

Just out of interest, how many people on this forum have made posts directed at truthseeker1234 or Steven Lupo Grossi (Ace and his sock puppet), that he has acknowledged having read? I'm sure I remember a few. Does he say why they don't count?

Dave

I have. It doesn't count because he doesn't know my identity, pretty much.

[calebprime]

Because he's actually smart compared to the diaper wearing conspiracy theorists like Zakir Naik.

I shouldn't feed trolls. This was pomeroo's (may he rest in peace) demise. [/back to our regularly scheduled programming]

Yeah, Ace is one of the strangest combinations of a-little-bit-smart (he's competent with language and some technology) and completely-bat-guano-nuts that I've ever encountered. It's still faintly puzzling.

Calling him crazy or deluded is almost an insult to crazy and deluded people who don't believe The Most Impossible Thing Ever.

opinion about JJ: not a troll, not irredeemable, intelligent but perverse? as ornery as the next person at JREF?
:boxedin:

Oh, and good call about the diaper remark. That was pathetic.

[Alareth]

LOL. Thermite is ridiculous but some sort of super secret mini-nuke is perfect reasonable. Sure.

Thermonuclear Thermite!!!!!!!! :eye-poppi :jaw-dropp :boxedin:

[T.A.M.]

Just out of interest, how many people on this forum have made posts directed at truthseeker1234 or Steven Lupo Grossi (Ace and his sock puppet), that he has acknowledged having read? I'm sure I remember a few. Does he say why they don't count?

Dave

I had a lengthy discussion going with his alter ego, S.L.G., about the The Thoracic Surgery Error based condition he was trying to have promoted to "disease" status.

Everything was fine until I questioned whether the condition would meet the qualifications for a "disease" and then I became "one of them" I guess.

Oh well.

TAM:)

[JamesB]

I assume your "you" refers to twoofy woofers. Very few of them seem to bother with SLC. Whenever I visit, if they are not fantasising about their twoofer pets' personal hygiene and living conditions (see above) the enlightened ones are having conversations about, pretending to be or pretending that all twoofers posting there are ... Boris Epstein sockpuppets.

It's one of the weirdest places on the web even compared with other fringe special interest celebrity gossip columns.

Well we don't monitor comments for the most part, so we get every nut on the Internet posting. On troofer sites like 9/11 Blogger they ban you the moment you dissent, which is why most of their posts don't get any more than 2 comments, desipite claiming that 84% of the population supports them.

[fullflavormenthol]

A thought. The no-planers would have us believe that in the entire metro area, that there was no one around was a video camera to film the events that wasn't secretly in on the conspiracy. If Ace and his ilk are right wouldn't it be expected for them to have at least one video of the tower exploding without a plane hitting it?

[Confuseling]

The diaper is on his head.

Might I suggest apologising for this mindless racism?

[Dog Town]

It's one of the weirdest places on the web even compared with other fringe special interest celebrity gossip columns.

Yet you can't stay away, just like here.

Hi D'oh P. *snicker*

[JihadJane]

opinion about JJ: not a troll, not irredeemable, intelligent but perverse? as ornery as the next person at JREF?
:boxedin:



Thanks for believing in the possibility of my redemption. I wil pray harder and maybe it will happen!


Well we don't monitor comments for the most part, so we get every nut on the Internet posting. On troofer sites like 9/11 Blogger they ban you the moment you dissent, which is why most of their posts don't get any more than 2 comments, desipite claiming that 84% of the population supports them.

Your moderation policy is good and provides a useful resource for observing thuggish Twoofer Basher psychology in the raw. All the “nuts” appear to get on very well together as well as with you and Pat!



On troofer sites like 9/11 Blogger they ban you the moment you dissent, which is why most of their posts don't get any more than 2 comments, desipite claiming that 84% of the population supports them.

Irrelevant.


Yet you can't stay away, just like here.

Hi D'oh P. *snicker*

Snicker,snicker! I generally like weird places but, no, a couple of months engaging with the toxic SLC bots was enough. The naked, quasi-psychotic malice gave me a rash.

JREF is more civilised and diverse and I enjoy the intelligent dialogue and banter that is sometimes possible. Some very lovable people have found a home here. Even WalterEgo has good manners on JREF!

ETA: By chance, the last time I dropped into SLC (November 2nd) Adversity1 was digging a deep hole for him/herself partly from having assumed that I am more of an idiot than I actually am...

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