The Sinking of the Titanic

[USAFMXOfficer]

I've been doing some reading on the Titanic Disaster, several what if's about this event. Was wondering if anyone has any insight.

1. Captain Smith - Many point to him calling him negligent for proceeding into a known ice area at high speed. He did "turn the corner" about 15 miles south of the normal point where ocean liners would proceed west, feeling that this would be enough to get out of the worst part of the ice. It seems his biggest error was vacating the bridge about 9:20 pm, just as the Titanic entered the ice field, giving the ship to First Officer Murdoch.

2. First Officer Murdoch - Made the snap decision, upon sighting of the iceberg, to go full reverse and hard port to go around. It didn't work. If he had kept the speed up it might have worked - the ship was actually more manueverable at higher speed. Some have said he should have just gone full reverse to slow down as much as possible and just went straight into the berg. Hindsight but the ship definitely would not have sank in this case.

3. The Californian - Leyland company liner - Was 10-12 miles from the Titanic - and should have seen the distress rockets fired. Why didn't the Californian respond?

4. Design of the Titanic - More lifeboats - only had enough for 1/2 of the full passenger complement per the design rules at the time. Also, double hull would have saved the ship, also emergency bulkhead doors that went higher. All of these were incorporated into the design of the Brittanic - Titanic's sister ship.

[PhantomWolf]

Everyone knows that the Titanic was an inside job. Come one, Steel is stronger than Ice! If I throw an ice cube at a car does it pentrate the steel? Nope. How do they expect us to beleive that ice could possibly have sunk a steel ship? Besides, the Titanic was unsinkable, so it had to be an iside job. (And anyone that disagrees is a Government Shrill or something...)

[gumboot]

I suspect if you took practically any design requirement or compulsory safety measure or standard operating procedure in place today, we only realised we needed it after a tragedy of some type. Hindsight is a beautiful, beautiful thing.

[Old Bob]

Here's old know it all again, Cap.Smith was a Jesuit by trade and they do what they are told. The big T. had all the people who were opposing the forming of the fed. reserve in the USA aboard. England needed US money for the first world war so C, Smith was ordered to sink it. It was sent out with the wrong coloured flares so when the flares were seen, the ship near by thought they were having a party and continued on. Life boats were short and many were sent off half full. After they drowned the invited Americans the federal reserve became law. A Jesuit by trade is as controlled as a Jesuit priest. Wonder if Dan Brown knows that. You may say that they don't think that far ahead, well I have seen the document when the second world war was declared and that was in 1926.

[tsig]

Here's old know it all again, Cap.Smith was a Jesuit by trade and they do what they are told. The big T. had all the people who were opposing the forming of the fed. reserve in the USA aboard. England needed US money for the first world war so C, Smith was ordered to sink it. It was sent out with the wrong coloured flares so when the flares were seen, the ship near by thought they were having a party and continued on. Life boats were short and many were sent off half full. After they drowned the invited Americans the federal reserve became law. A Jesuit by trade is as controlled as a Jesuit priest. Wonder if Dan Brown knows that. You may say that they don't think that far ahead, well I have seen the document when the second world war was declared and that was in 1926.

If you saw that document in 1926 you really are old. Old Bob.

What is a "Jesuit by trade" and why do the Jesuits care about the fed?

[Horatius]

What is a "Jesuit by trade" ...



That's a Rabbi they got from the Jews for a first-round draft pick.

[LibraryLady]

Have you read A Night To Remember (http://www.amazon.com/Night-Remember-Walter-Lord/dp/0805077642/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1227626429&sr=8-3) by Walter Lord? It can answer a lot of questions about the Titanic. I would do some serious reading on this topic before starting a conspiracy thread about it.

[neltana]

Good lord! I had assumed that Old Bob was doing a parody up there...then I Googled "federal reserve titanic." This is apparently a real CT!

Learn something new every day.

So how did three rich guys (Benjamin Guggenheim, Isa Strauss and John Jacob Astor IV, according to the websites I saw) dying on a boat convince the Democratic party to pass the Federal Reserve Act? The Republicans seemed to overwhelmingly oppose it. I'm trying to picture in my mind how this was supposed to have gone down.

[TriskettheKid]

Good lord! I had assumed that Old Bob was doing a parody up there...then I Googled "federal reserve titanic." This is apparently a real CT!

Learn something new every day.

So how did three rich guys (Benjamin Guggenheim, Isa Strauss and John Jacob Astor IV, according to the websites I saw) dying on a boat convince the Democratic party to pass the Federal Reserve Act? The Republicans seemed to overwhelmingly oppose it. I'm trying to picture in my mind how this was supposed to have gone down.

Your brain's gonna blow a fuse when you realize that the Glass-Owen Act wasn't even conceived until 1913.

[Retrograde]

Fun fact: the Titanic carried more lifeboats than were required by the British Board of Trade at the time! Legally, she only had to carry 16, but took an additional 4 (the so-called collapsible boats).

I want to know more about this "Jesuit by trade" thing: is that like being a Jesuit priest, or can anyone apply? What are the bennies and retirement plan like?

[Loss Leader]

The OP left out the following:

1. Lack of binoculars. It was standard practice at the time, but the Titanic did not have binoculars for the men in the crow's nest.

2. Part-time radio rooms. Radio was already an important part of sea travel. Yet, the closest ship to the Titanic had its radio turned off for the night, putting off rescue for several hours.

3. Cover-up by the shipbuilders - The builders knew at the time that their rivets and plating were weak. They covered it up and sent the ship out anyway.

4. Locking the 3rd class passengers below decks - More people would have survived if the 1st lifeboat (built for 60) hadn't gone out with ten people in it.

5. Naming the ship "Titanic" - They might as well have named it "God Can Go Frak Himself."

[EventHorizon]

It was all the fault of Jack and Rose. If they hadn't momentarily distracted the lookouts they might have seen the iceberg in time. It's a good thing we had James Cameron to point this all out to us! ;):p

[Skeptic]

I've been doing some reading on the Titanic Disaster, several what if's about this event. Was wondering if anyone has any insight.

It was the Jews, of course. Iceberg, Goldberg, Silverberg... they're all the same.

[Old Bob]

If you saw that document in 1926 you really are old. Old Bob.

What is a "Jesuit by trade" and why do the Jesuits care about the fed?

No,(phew) the doc. is still around. Saw it in about 10 years ago and to be honest it was a copy. I am sure it was correct. With out turning this thread into a ct. I have to answer you with--Pope=what the public see and behind the scene we have "The Black Pope" who is the real power. Masons and Jews are really one at the top and Jesuits. What a scary mob the Jesuits are they make the CIA look like play school. Little eg. back in the 50ies a good vet we used damaged a local priest badly for sleeping with his wife. He just disappeared and no police(mason) action was taken. Fun to find out who's who.

[neltana]

Your brain's gonna blow a fuse when you realize that the Glass-Owen Act wasn't even conceived until 1913.

Well, surely, if the Jesuits can foresee the paths of icebergs, they would have no trouble foreseeing a little piece of legislation would be proposed 14 months later.

Oh, you mean, how did those three guys oppose a plan that hadn't been drafted yet, as all the CT web sites attest? Well, the Jesuits could obviously foresee that too. They are pretty much Jedi's with crosses.

[neltana]

With out turning this thread into a ct.

Well, if I'm not mistaken, this is a thread in the CT forum. I'm pretty sure that is what you are supposed to do!

[Retrograde]

You know who was really behind it? Violet Jessop! She was a stewardess on the Titanic, managed to get in a lifeboat and survive. Then a few years later, she worked on the Titanic's sister ship, the Britannic. Long story short, ship hits a mine, sinks, massive loss of life - but yet again Violet escapes unscathed, with the presence of mind to grab her toothbrush as she's abandoning ship. But wait - she was on the 3rd ship of the same design, the Olympic, when it just happened to collide with another ship.

Coincidence or conspiracy - you decide!


3. Cover-up by the shipbuilders - The builders knew at the time that their rivets and plating were weak. They covered it up and sent the ship out anyway.


Maybe. OTOH, the Olympic was built at the same shipyard according to essentially the same plans, and she sailed for nearly a quarter of a century. Still, they could have gotten a bad batch of steel, or the riveters had some bad days.

5. Naming the ship "Titanic" - They might as well have named it "God Can Go Frak Himself."

Well, they did change the name of the Gigantic to Britannic after the sinking!

Masons and Jews are really one at the top and Jesuits.


I think he actually believes this. But where do the KGB and MI-5 fit into the Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory?

[ktesibios]

No,(phew) the doc. is still around. Saw it in about 10 years ago and to be honest it was a copy. I am sure it was correct. With out turning this thread into a ct. I have to answer you with--Pope=what the public see and behind the scene we have "The Black Pope" who is the real power. Masons and Jews are really one at the top and Jesuits. What a scary mob the Jesuits are they make the CIA look like play school. Little eg. back in the 50ies a good vet we used damaged a local priest badly for sleeping with his wife. He just disappeared and no police(mason) action was taken. Fun to find out who's who.

This says nothing at all about what you mean by referring to Captain Smith as a "Jesuit by trade". It is merely a litany of your bizarre personal beliefs.

To repeat: what, exactly does "Jesuit by trade" mean in reference to E.J. Smith?

[Orac voice]
Be specific!
[/Orac voice]

[Old Bob]

Well, if I'm not mistaken, this is a thread in the CT forum. I'm pretty sure that is what you are supposed to do!

Sorry, forgot which thread I was on. Smiths underlings warned him a number of times to slow down. I lack the explainity skills to lace it all together for you but trinity is a factor in all directions, even down too - eg the CIA, MI5 NSA and so on. Symbolism is all around us if you care to look even down to date's for important events. 911 stands out, reeks of Mason with all the right numbers. The UK(masonic Jew controlled) is behind world events and to most Americans surprise they even own Coco-Cola, track the original "Virginia Company" The two Crown's of England more interesting stuff. Somehow these world planners can see ahead or follow a script. Just to confuse the issue a bit more the code in our language fits in. Any comments on the "Black Pope"?

[PhantomWolf]

1. Lack of binoculars. It was standard practice at the time, but the Titanic did not have binoculars for the men in the crow's nest.

This isn't entirely true. The Titanic DID have binoculars for the men in the crow's nest. They were in a box in the crow's nest, nice and safety locked away. That was the problem. The man who had the key wasn't on board. He was supposed to be, but due to last minute crew changes he wasn't, so they didn't have the key to get the binoculars out and use them.

[PhantomWolf]

they even own Coco-Cola

This is always intriguing when someone says something like this. Coca Cola is a publically registered company and therefore to "own" it, a person or group requires over 50% of the shares. What evidence do you have that your so-called conspriators own over 50% of Coca Cola?

[Old Bob]

This says nothing at all about what you mean by referring to Captain Smith as a "Jesuit by trade". It is merely a litany of your bizarre personal beliefs.

To repeat: what, exactly does "Jesuit by trade" mean in reference to E.J. Smith?

[Orac voice]
Be specific!
[/Orac voice]
Ok at a risk of hogging the thread, A Jesuit Priest is pledged with his life and trained to take orders from the Vatican, the same goes for a "Jesuit in Trade" eg Captian Smith to the point of suicide. These people are trained to a level we have trouble taking in. I havn't been privileged to any of how they are trained only what I have been told a have read. All those guards in the funny coloured suits that protect the two popes would all give there lives if told too. Also C.Smith would have been prosecuted if he had of survived.

[dudalb]

Masons and Jews are really one at the top and Jesuits.

Considering the history between the Catholic Church and the Freemasons,this is the funniest thing ever.

[Gurdur]

Oh dear god, sometimes I cannot believe what gets said on JREF sometimes.

[PhantomWolf]

Ok at a risk of hogging the thread, A Jesuit Priest is pledged with his life and trained to take orders from the Vatican, the same goes for a "Jesuit in Trade" eg Captian Smith to the point of suicide. These people are trained to a level we have trouble taking in. I havn't been privileged to any of how they are trained only what I have been told a have read. All those guards in the funny coloured suits that protect the two popes would all give there lives if told too. Also C.Smith would have been prosecuted if he had of survived.

And funnily enough nothing about his being a Jesuit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Smith)......

[PhantomWolf]

In fact the only places I can find anything that says he was are conspriacy sites. Funny that.

[1337m4n]

Passengers aboard the titanic said that they heard explosions! That must mean it was thermite!

[ktesibios]

Something that probably contributed to the high death toll was the lack of crew training in loading, lowering and handling the lifeboats. Lightoller's testimony before the Senate Subcommittee investigating the disaster showed that he didn't think that the lifeboats could safely be lowered fully loaded- although the lifeboats and davits were in fact designed for this, the ship's officers were unaware of it and sent many boats off only partially filled.

Had the crew been drilled so that every man knew in advance exactly where he was assigned and what his job would be if the abandon ship order was given and had practiced doing it until he could do it in an emergency without having to think about it many more lives could have been saved. Instead this was left to ad hoc improvisation.

[Thunder]

I heard that the Jew Zionists sunk the Titanic, cause all the passengers were against the Federal Reserve Act. Naturally, they had to be eliminated.

=)

[GooseGrl172]

4. Design of the Titanic - More lifeboats - only had enough for 1/2 of the full passenger complement per the design rules at the time. Also, double hull would have saved the ship, also emergency bulkhead doors that went higher. All of these were incorporated into the design of the Brittanic - Titanic's sister ship.

More life boats wouldn't have made a difference since they barely had enough time to launch the ones they had.
However, if they'd had the higher bulkheads and/or a double hull, this might have allowed the ship to stay afloat longer, allowing time for a rescue (and if more life boats had been present, for them to be launched).

[GooseGrl172]

Passengers aboard the titanic said that they heard explosions! That must mean it was thermite!

Yes! This explains the big hole in the bow of the ship where one giant squib blew out when the ship was compressed as it went into the ocean floor!:p

[AJM8125]

Brittanic didn't fare much better than Titanic, despite the benefit of hindsight.

http://www.starway.org/Titanic/Sister_Ships.html

[X]

I used to be really interested in the Titanic. Than that movie came out...

But never mind that. I still have my resources on the ship. If you do have any questions, ask and I shall try to dig out an answer.

There's no shortage of woo about that girl.

[Donal]

Ok at a risk of hogging the thread, A Jesuit Priest is pledged with his life and trained to take orders from the Vatican,

Didn't you earlier imply that Jesuits outranked the Vatican?

the same goes for a "Jesuit in Trade" eg Captian Smith to the point of suicide. These people are trained to a level we have trouble taking in.

That would be what is commonly referred to as a "sleeper agent". We actually have a real good idea about what you are implying. We've seen them in practice in a certain hot a dusty part of the world. You just have provided no proof that the Jesuits have such a program.

I havn't been privileged to any of how they are trained only what I have been told a have read.

Que?

All those guards in the funny coloured suits that protect the two popes would all give there lives if told too.

You mean the Swiss Guard? I don't know if they are responsible for the Superior General of the Jesuits (they may be since he is a close aid to the Pope), but they are very well known for their dedication to the safety of the Pontiff himself.

Also C.Smith would have been prosecuted if he had of survived.

He should have been for such a lousy plot. Sheer luck that all the targets went down.

[Dave Rogers]

I used to be really interested in the Titanic. Than that movie came out...

And I felt the same way about Pearl Harbor. Is there a Hollywood conspiracy to divert attention away from suspicious events by making excruciatingly bad films about them?

Dave

[Travis]

Remember that it wasn't really the Titanic but an older obsolete ship that swapped names for insurance purposes......though it is strange how none of the elite passengers sent out a telegram like, "ship not as opulent as advertised stop seems much smaller stop in fact there are leaks everywhere and rust in the one toilet we have to share with twenty other passengers stop"

[Corsair 115]

Remember that it wasn't really the Titanic but an older obsolete ship that swapped names for insurance purposes......though it is strange how none of the elite passengers sent out a telegram like, "ship not as opulent as advertised stop seems much smaller stop in fact there are leaks everywhere and rust in the one toilet we have to share with twenty other passengers stop"Well, that's easily explained: the radio operators were paid off to not send such messages!

[fromdownunder]

I have on good authority that the destruction of Titanic was not caused by Thermite, but by Dihydrogen Monoxide. Captain Smith and other key Masons did of course survive. They were ferried off in secret by Black Helicoptors and secret NWO minature submarines.

Norm

[richardm]

A Jesuit Priest is pledged with his life and trained to take orders from the Vatican, the same goes for a "Jesuit in Trade" eg Captian Smith to the point of suicide.

Smith was a Victorian sea captain, who would have regarded "going down with his ship" as being the honourable and only thing to do. I doubt if he needed special orders from the pope regarding the matter.

I've heard the claim about weak plating and riveting before. On the face of it I have my doubts. Surely under such an impact any cast iron plates would break and any iron rivets stretch and snap? Is there any credible reading that anyone can point me to about this?

Edit: I think what everyone's forgetting about the Titanic incident is that it was cursed by the Egyptian Mummy being transported to America in the hold. An Egyptian Mummy in a sarcophagus made out of purest Thermite. Oh yes. And Ancient Egyptians are known to have been the first Jesuits, although naturally Mossad tries to cover this up.

[bje]

Show me proof the Titanic hit an iceberg. Show me the video.

[Horatius]

Show me proof the Titanic hit an iceberg. Show me the video.



Don't any of you people ever do your own research?


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:rolleyes:

[richardm]

Don't any of you people ever do your own research?


Amazing footage. It's a little known fact that Fly-On-The-Wall reality shows were just as popular in 1912 as they are today. Sadly most of the Titanic footage was lost when Robert "Digby" Bolsover (Continuity), attempted to lash the film cans together and paddle to safety, but Arnold "PowderPuff" Groves (the makeup artist) managed to splice together a credible synopsis of the voyage from the remaining reels while drifting eastwards in the Number 4 lifeboat disguised as the chief maid of Lady Cynthia Watchwood (actually the senior lighting cameraman improvising an evening gown out of an outsize focussing hood and a fascinator made from a bag that had formerly contained tangerines).

Their efforts nearly came to naught when a US Customs officer attempted to confiscate the reels when they disembarked from the Carpathia, but the resourceful Groves distracted him by flashing an ankle and the rest, of course, is history.

[fromdownunder]

It is interesting that the original verson of Poseidon Adventure was being shown in the theatre on Titanic at the time it hit the iceburg (verified by Snopes, and has a link to IMDb which gives the cast and crew of the original). Obviously this was all part of the super dooper plan to ensure that many of the passengers would not make it to the lifeboats.

While IMDb no longer lists the movie (obviously the Hollywood Jewish Masonic NWO got to them, or they are part of it), Snopes still has a mirror of the original

I also suspect that certain passengers who had to be "got out of the way" were invited to this specific showing. The whole thing was so obviously an inside job that I am surprised that anyone else thinks otherwise..

http://www.snopes.com/lost/poseidon.asp

Norm

[X]

Smith was a Victorian sea captain, who would have regarded "going down with his ship" as being the honorable and only thing to do. I doubt if he needed special orders from the pope regarding the matter.

I've heard the claim about weak plating and riveting before. On the face of it I have my doubts. Surely under such an impact any cast iron plates would break and any iron rivets stretch and snap? Is there any credible reading that anyone can point me to about this?

Edit: I think what everyone's forgetting about the Titanic incident is that it was cursed by the Egyptian Mummy being transported to America in the hold. An Egyptian Mummy in a sarcophagus made out of purest Thermite. Oh yes. And Ancient Egyptians are known to have been the first Jesuits, although naturally Mossad tries to cover this up.


Oohh... I can provide you with some stories.



Capt. Smith is reported to have rescued a toddler from the frigid Atlantic (http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/how-captain-smith-died.html)
He's also reported to have committed suicide (http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/captains-suicide-bridge.html)

Stories about a worker sealed within the double hull, and more (yes, even a conspiracy or two!) (http://www.geocities.com/ancient_wonderer/myths.html)

First SOS call in history? (http://www.snopes.com/history/titanic/sos.asp)

And then there is the whole thing about the engine-order telegraphs showing the wrong signals. But I strangely can't find anything about that online. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places.

[stilicho]

So how did three rich guys (Benjamin Guggenheim, Isa Strauss and John Jacob Astor IV, according to the websites I saw) dying on a boat convince the Democratic party to pass the Federal Reserve Act? The Republicans seemed to overwhelmingly oppose it. I'm trying to picture in my mind how this was supposed to have gone down.

The idea was that Astor was related to a prince in the Romanov's court and that it was a "signal" by the conspirators who were plotting to overthrow the Czar. I can't remember where I'd read that but there was some kind of anti-Czarist plot involved in the CT version of the disaster.

Connect the dots!

[neltana]

The idea was that Astor was related to a prince in the Romanov's court and that it was a "signal" by the conspirators who were plotting to overthrow the Czar.

You see, this is why I would make a lousy conspirator. I would probably have the signal be something really cheap and easy, like a coded telegram or a newspaper advertisement saying "Dmitry, Cousin Vlad has a platypus." It would never occur to me to sink an ocean liner in the North Atlantic!

[stilicho]

You see, this is why I would make a lousy conspirator. I would probably have the signal be something really cheap and easy, like a coded telegram or a newspaper advertisement saying "Dmitry, Cousin Vlad has a platypus." It would never occur to me to sink an ocean liner in the North Atlantic!

Ahhh, and possibly your world-view doesn't see all human endeavours as intrinsically linked, productive, and rational. I don't really see the world that way either but it's absolutely necessary if you're a conspiracy theorist.

Expect a burgeoning of conspiracy theories with the advent of the internet, too. Now, to fuel your particular pet theory, all you have to do is Google and Wiki your way through endless "resources" to add meat to the bones of any "theory" that strikes your fancy.

In fact, I did have the opportunity to Google a few things about Astor. I was right (in a way). Astor's daughter married a Russian prince who had been married once before to a daughter of Czar Alexander II. Nicholas II, of course, was a grandson of that same czar.

Alexander II had been a fierce sponsor of Bulgarian independence which came to limited fruition under the terms of the Berlin Congress and the Treaty of San Stefano in 1878. Her first prince was a Ferdinand of the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family, a name you will undoubtedly recognise as the same as that of the British royal family. Prince Ferdinand achieved complete independence for Bulgaria in 1908 at Tornova, taking advantage of internal turmoil in the Ottoman Empire that year. A bureaucrat named Andrei Liapchev was instrumental in this final break with the Turks.

Liapchev studied in Zurich, Paris and Berlin in 1893 before serving in the Bulgarian government intermittently between 1908 and the end of the Great War. He eventually served as Prime Minister in 1926.

I could go on but you get the idea. It's a type of exposition popularised by Eustace Mullins. There's already a "connection" to the Romanovs, the British royal family and Zurich. You have enough legitimate names, dates and places that you can then "connect" to someone or something else.

[fromdownunder]

I could go on but you get the idea. It's a type of exposition popularised by Eustace Mullins. There's already a "connection" to the Romanovs, the British royal family and Zurich. You have enough legitimate names, dates and places that you can then "connect" to someone or something else.

The 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon.

Norm

[jhunter1163]

Captain Rostron of the Carpathia had to be in on it too. There's no way that a 14-knot ship can make 17.5 knots for four hours. He must have been tipped off that Smith was going to crash into the berg and started his hero run early just in time to save the women and children, but late enough that the three rich dudes were offed.

This is bigger than you thought, isn't it?

[JohnG]

Oh, please. Of course it was a CD! Show me one other luxury ocean liner that sank after hitting an iceberg! It's a slam dunk!

[PhantomWolf]

Oh, please. Of course it was a CD! Show me one other luxury ocean liner that sank after hitting an iceberg! It's a slam dunk!

Not to burst the funny bubble, but....

Here's one (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article499543.ece)

[JohnG]

Not to burst the funny bubble, but....

Here's one (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article499543.ece)

Shill! That was clearly a false flag that was meant to provoke...um, something.

[desertgal]

4. Design of the Titanic - More lifeboats - only had enough for 1/2 of the full passenger complement per the design rules at the time.

In all fairness, Thomas Andrews did attempt to install more lifeboats, as the davits were designed to hold two rows, but White Star shot him down, since the number of lifeboats, as required by maritime law (which was insufficient) had already been met. I think that mistake can be laid at Bruce Ismay's feet.

[desertgal]

I've heard the claim about weak plating and riveting before. On the face of it I have my doubts. Surely under such an impact any cast iron plates would break and any iron rivets stretch and snap? Is there any credible reading that anyone can point me to about this?


One of the books by Dr. Ballard discusses this at some length, and his arguments are credible. (I'm sorry, I can't remember which one - he wrote several - but I believe it was "The Discovery of the Titanic".) As well, he provided several sonogram pictures which possibly indicated areas where the rivets had popped and the plates had separated to allow water in. The pictures aren't entirely convincing - Ballard took them on his second voyage in 1988, and, given the sonogram equipment at the time, the images aren't as clear as you might find today - but they are an interesting piece of evidence nonetheless.

[Belz...]

No,(phew) the doc. is still around. Saw it in about 10 years ago and to be honest it was a copy. I am sure it was correct. With out turning this thread into a ct. I have to answer you with--Pope=what the public see and behind the scene we have "The Black Pope" who is the real power. Masons and Jews are really one at the top and Jesuits. What a scary mob the Jesuits are they make the CIA look like play school. Little eg. back in the 50ies a good vet we used damaged a local priest badly for sleeping with his wife. He just disappeared and no police(mason) action was taken. Fun to find out who's who.

Quick question: what in the blue hell are you talking about ?

[zaphod2016]

Oohh... I can provide you with some stories.

...

And then there is the whole thing about the engine-order telegraphs showing the wrong signals. But I strangely can't find anything about that online. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places.

Thanks for the links. Fascinating stuff.

I had never heard of the Federal Reserve CT before, and I consider myself a connoisseur of Fed CT.

What about this original question:

The Californian - Leyland company liner - Was 10-12 miles from the Titanic - and should have seen the distress rockets fired. Why didn't the Californian respond?

Was there any good reason for this? Did they simply not see the Titanic?

[jimmygun]

My grandfather and my wife's grandfather both sailed on the Titanic's sister ship, the Olympic when it was used as a troop carrier during the First World War.

Both grandfathers are dead!
Every male child of both grandfathers are dead!

Does that tell you anything? I'm just saying.

[Bell]

My grandfather and my wife's grandfather both sailed on the Titanic's sister ship, the Olympic when it was used as a troop carrier during the First World War.

Both grandfathers are dead!
Every male child of both grandfathers are dead!

Does that tell you anything? I'm just saying.

And then there are those who believe that Olympic's sister ship was in fact... the Olympic (http://www.titanicconspiracy.com/)...

Can it get more complicated?

[moon1969]

The jews did it? :D Titanic was not an inside job. Man it seems like everything is a conspiracy to some people. :D

[desertgal]

Was there any good reason for this? Did they simply not see the Titanic?

Two of the watch crew on board the Californian are believed to have seen the Titanic right around the time she hit the iceberg. Their reports said that they saw the lights of a large steamer off the starboard side of the Californian, coming from the east, and then they saw the ship stop. They thought, and reported to the captain, that the larger ship had stopped for the night for the same reason the Californian was stopped - because the icebergs, the calm sea, and the dark made passage too dangerous. They didn't realize the Titanic had stopped because she was sinking, and they thought the flares were fireworks, since the size of the Titanic indicated a luxury passenger liner, aboard which celebratory fireworks would be unusual, but not unheard of. It's never been clear if they informed Captain Rostron the fireworks were only white-but I'm guessing they didn't, since, if they had, he would have reacted differently, as white flares were reserved for distress signals. Something I don't think the two crew members were aware of, but Rostron certainly would have been. When he heard their reports, Captain Rostron saw no reason for alarm and, since the Marconi on the Californian was switched off, they never received the QED and SOS messages. They also said the lights of the liner eventually disappeared, but they thought she had either turned to starboard, away from them, or moved off.

Strangely, though, one of the crew members mentioned to Captain Rostron that he thought there was something odd about the distant liner - she was either "sitting odd" or "sitting low" in the water, but Rostron brushed it off. It's not clear why. Perhaps he thought that the calm sea and the dark had fooled the crewman's eyes.

[Polaris]

Of course it was the Joooooos! (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=af07)

This may be NSFW. Can't believe it isn't already posted.

[ktesibios]

Umm, desertgal, Arthur Rostron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Rostron) was the captain of the Carpathia, which received the Titanic's wireless distress calls and was the first ship on the scene, rescuing all of the Titanic's survivors.

You're thinking of Stanley Lord (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Lord), the captain of the Californian. His career was ruined after the Titanic sinking.

While the position transmitted by the Titanic's wireless operators is now know to have been off by some 13 miles, which raises doubts about how close the Californian actually was, members of the Californian's crew did testify to having seen white rockets. One of the half-dozen or so books on the Titanic that I've read said that one of the Californian's officers, concerned about the sightings, tried to listen for wireless messages (the Californian's operator having already gone to bed), but his lack of technical knowledge, specifically that the Californian's receiver used one of Marconi's magnetic detectors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_detector), which was driven by clockwork and had to be wound up to operate, prevented him from picking anything up.

[desertgal]

Umm, desertgal, Arthur Rostron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Rostron) was the captain of the Carpathia, which received the Titanic's wireless distress calls and was the first ship on the scene, rescuing all of the Titanic's survivors.

You're thinking of Stanley Lord (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Lord), the captain of the Californian. His career was ruined after the Titanic sinking.



Sorry, got my surnames mixed up. My facts are still accurate, though. :)

members of the Californian's crew did testify to having seen white rockets.

Yes, but it is unclear whether they informed Captain Lord of that fact. In other words, not sure is they told him they saw "all white" rockets, or just rockets. I'm guessing they didn't mention the "all white" specifically, because he would have reacted to that.

[neltana]

And then there are those who believe that Olympic's sister ship was in fact... the Olympic (http://www.titanicconspiracy.com/)...

Can it get more complicated?

The plot is so complicated, some of it is in Latin. If only I could decipher what "Lorem ipsum dolor Sit amet, elit sed diam nonummy nibh euismod tincidunt." means, all would be clear! Must be some sort of NWO code.

Although, to be serious, does anyone have any references that specifically address the assertion that the Titanic was actually the Olympic? The website makes a number of claims that I assume researchers could easily check out.

I'm not buying the argument, but I figure that falsifiable claims should be falsified, if possible. Preferably, by someone other than me.

Would be wild if it checked out though.

[Bell]

The plot is so complicated, some of it is in Latin. If only I could decipher what "Lorem ipsum dolor Sit amet, elit sed diam nonummy nibh euismod tincidunt." means, all would be clear! Must be some sort of NWO code.

Lorum Ipsum is a secret NWO coded passage about the purposes of Good and Evil. It serves as a blueprint to every conspiracy since the Serpent made Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit.

Although, to be serious, does anyone have any references that specifically address the assertion that the Titanic was actually the Olympic? The website makes a number of claims that I assume researchers could easily check out.

I'm not buying the argument, but I figure that falsifiable claims should be falsified, if possible. Preferably, by someone other than me.

Would be wild if it checked out though.

I knew about this conspiracy, but can't be bothered by it. I did read some snippets about the Titanic's lifeboats, where the name Olympic was painted over with the name Titanic. Which seems quite possible to me (maybe there was not enough time to issue for more lifeboats, or there was no use for those Olympic lifeboats at that time?) and does not at all proofs that the Titanic was the Olympic.

[desertgal]

or there was no use for those Olympic lifeboats at that time?) and does not at all proofs that the Titanic was the Olympic.

I agree. My guess is that the Olympic had enough lifeboats to meet the requirements, and these were extras diverted to the Titanic, which was being outfitted in the next slip.

What it really means is that there was a conspiracy among the icebergs to sink the Olympic, too. :D

[Dave Rogers]

The plot is so complicated, some of it is in Latin. If only I could decipher what "Lorem ipsum dolor Sit amet, elit sed diam nonummy nibh euismod tincidunt." means, all would be clear!

The original quotation, of which this is a corruption, is "There is no one who loves pain itself, who seeks after it and wants to have it, simply because it is pain." Clearly Cicero didn't know any conspiracy theorists.

Dave