David Dees antisemitic art?

[Trojan_Jockey]

This guy seems to be out there with NWO woo cuckoos, don't know much about him, but is this art antisemtic? Seems to be relevant to some of the debates on here recently. I found some specific examples posted at a forum:

http://www.smeggys.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8107

Then found his website. Seems to be a fully paid up member of the woo clan. If these illustrations were a joke, then it would be hilarious, but it seems he thinks they are political satire. Not only that, the art is horrid!

http://www.rense.com/1.mpicons/dees1.htm

[GreNME]

I thought this one (http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/bushbombs_dees.jpg) was funny, but probably not in the way the 'artist' (I use the term loosely) originally intended.

[tuc0]

:D I lol'd. What a very productive artist. As satire it wouldn't work because it's so ugly and badly done... but it's awesome since it's supposed to be taken as serious political commentary.

Thanks for the link. SuperPutin to the rescue!

[gtc]

but is this art antisemtic?

If he is serious then I think he is.

Unless it is satire on the Holocaust-deniers then the Jews in riot cop gear tasering someone for reading a book that questions the holocaust is way too over the top to be anything but anti-semitic.

[gtc]

I lost track of the number of CTs in those cartoons.

Who is the bigger loser? The jerk who wasted days and days making those cartoons or that smeggypants who likes them enough to host them.

Its a good thing smeggypants isn't on this forum. It means we can say what we like about him.

[thrombus29]

Looks like a humorless Winston Smith (The guy who did all the Dead Kennedy's albums)

http://www.winstonsmith.com/main.html

[Trojan_Jockey]

I lost track of the number of CTs in those cartoons.

Who is the bigger loser? The jerk who wasted days and days making those cartoons or that smeggypants who likes them enough to host them.

Its a good thing smeggypants isn't on this forum. It means we can say what we like about him.

Yes, I'm glad he isn't here too. He'd probably be deeply offended that we were linking him to antisemitism. At least we don't have to worry about that.

The content of these cartoons is almost as vile as the style. Yuck! I mean, at least Third Reich and the Soviet Union had decent looking propaganda posters. These things look like a Nazi monkey has been let loose on photoshop.

[gtc]

Yes. I don't know if it is just the content that is making me feel this way but I found the style to be very disturbing. I am glad I am not the artist and that I don't see those sorts of images in my imagination.

[PhantomWolf]

I lost track of the number of CTs in those cartoons.

Well with all respect to Will Rogers, is there a CT the guy doesn't believe.

I had to giggle about the fact that he seamlessly went frpm depicting that Hillary was the choosen one for '08 to Obama being NWO/Jewish without skipping a beat.

[Trojan_Jockey]

Well with all respect to Will Rogers, is there a CT the guy doesn't believe.

I had to giggle about the fact that he seamlessly went frpm depicting that Hillary was the choosen one for '08 to Obama being NWO/Jewish without skipping a beat.

I find it quite confusing that Zionists and Nazis appear to be the same thing. Arnie is wearing a Nazi lapel badge and a "Zionist" Star of David!

Let me get this straight. It seems the Nazis are bad guys, and Bush et al are all Nazis, but Zionists lied about what the Nazis did to the Jews, yet Bush, who is a Zionist, had a grandfather who funded the Nazis. But the Nazis weren't bad anyway, because they didn't carry out the holocaust!

I am missing something here?

[Biscuit]

Well with all respect to Will Rogers, is there a CT the guy doesn't believe.

I had to giggle about the fact that he seamlessly went frpm depicting that Hillary was the choosen one for '08 to Obama being NWO/Jewish without skipping a beat.

He also has Obama as being born in Kenya and presumably a muslim. A very confused and sad mind created these works of 'art'

[Trojan_Jockey]

He also has Obama as being born in Kenya and presumably a muslim. A very confused and sad mind created these works of 'art'

So that makes Obama a Muslim, Zionist, Nazi.

Now it all becomes clear!

[Skeptic]

So that makes Obama a Muslim, Zionist, Nazi.

Aren't we all.

Of course, we all know the Zionists are "just like the Nazis". So I, having served in the IDF, am a Zionist Nazi, for starters.

Now, there are also Muslim soldiers who serve in the IDF. They, I suppose, are Zionist Muslim Nazis.

Finally, recently, a clan of some 8000 Arabs who live in the Galilee claimed for some reason that Obama is a distant relative (for all I know they're right--we're ALL not-so-distant relatives of each other, after all; the trick is only to find how we are distantly related to each other.) If there are some IDF soldiers among those 8000, they're Zionist Muslim Nazi relatives of Obama.

With such relatives, no doubt he's a Muslim Zionist Nazi himself, as well.

I mean, what more proof do you need!

[Thunder]

yup. looks pretty anti-Semitic to me. why else would the FEMA camp guards be israelis?

[Skeptic]

I thought this one (http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/bushbombs_dees.jpg) was funny, but probably not in the way the 'artist' (I use the term loosely) originally intended.

I wonder whether the "Dr. Strangelove" reference there is intended or accidental.

[tomwaits]

That's not art, it's just badly photoshopped nonsense.

[Foolmewunz]

David Dees is a blatant anti-semite. He keeps his more toned down stuff at his own website, as I doubt that he really wants his commercial clients to see the Auschwitz Train illustration.

It does seem that he's done legitimate work (for production companies, not necessarily directly) for Home Entertainment, Disney, and even Sesame Street (today's show is brought to you by the letter Z and the number "not 6 million").

http://www.deesillustration.com/


I can't access Rense or that Smeggy schmuck from the office, so I don't know if any of the ones you've cited above are his more blatant ones. (Don't anyone tell TinFoilTim, but the dreaded ADL has some of them for you.... http://www.adl.org/main_Extremism/David_Dees.htm )


In his defense.... Stormfront seems to believe the ADL are persecuting the poor man.

[skepticalcriticalguy]

I thought this one (http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/bushbombs_dees.jpg) was funny, but probably not in the way the 'artist' (I use the term loosely) originally intended.

You actually find that funny? Wow.

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Is the definition of "anti-semite" --- one who hates Jews and wants to see them all dead in a pile?

If so, I don't think Dees is one. He's more an anti-corrupt-Israeli-government-run-by-criminals kind of guy.

[Trojan_Jockey]

Is the definition of "anti-semite" --- one who hates Jews and wants to see them all dead in a pile?

If so, I don't think Dees is one. He's more an anti-corrupt-Israeli-government-run-by-criminals kind of guy.

No, I don't think has ever been the definition of antisemite.

Anyway, what has holocaust denial got to do with the Israeli government or indeed Israel?

[Seanette]

I find it quite confusing that Zionists and Nazis appear to be the same thing. Arnie is wearing a Nazi lapel badge and a "Zionist" Star of David!

Let me get this straight. It seems the Nazis are bad guys, and Bush et al are all Nazis, but Zionists lied about what the Nazis did to the Jews, yet Bush, who is a Zionist, had a grandfather who funded the Nazis. But the Nazis weren't bad anyway, because they didn't carry out the holocaust!

I am missing something here?

What you seem to be missing is probably either a serious mental illness or a very strange mix of recreational drugs.

[Foolmewunz]

Is the definition of "anti-semite" --- one who hates Jews and wants to see them all dead in a pile?

If so, I don't think Dees is one. He's more an anti-corrupt-Israeli-government-run-by-criminals kind of guy.

That's why he finds it humorous to put pictures of the Auschwitz train in his political cartoons. Yeah, that's certainly an Israel issue - to conspiradroids!

[Trojan_Jockey]

What you seem to be missing is probably either a serious mental illness or a very strange mix of recreational drugs.

Indeed, yet this is a serious mental illness that appears to be contagious. Is it just that the internet now allows schizophrenics to fuel each other's paranoid fantasies from the comfort of their own home? I remember the good old days when schizophrenics would wander around bus stations shouting about the end of the world, now they use the internet to whip each other up into a frenzy.

To bring this back to the original post. I think David Dees may well not be an antisemite, reason being that he is so detached from reality he can't tell what antisemitism is. He probably just latches on to any conspiracy theory (be it from the extreme right or extremne left) which supports his paranoid vision of a corrupt and scheming elite. I think that pretty much applies to a few members of this forum too.

[Foolmewunz]

Indeed, yet this is a serious mental illness that appears to be contagious. Is it just that the internet now allows schizophrenics to fuel each other's paranoid fantasies from the comfort of their own home? I remember the good old days when schizophrenics would wander around bus stations shouting about the end of the world, now they use the internet to whip each other up into a frenzy.

To bring this back to the original post. I think David Dees may well not be an antisemite, reason being that he is so detached from reality he can't tell what antisemitism is. He probably just latches on to any conspiracy theory (be it from the extreme right or extremne left) which supports his paranoid vision of a corrupt and scheming elite. I think that pretty much applies to a few members of this forum too.

Do me a favor and actually click this link and take a look at some of his more infamous works. http://www.adl.org/main_Extremism/David_Dees.htm His commercial site and the stuff that Prison Planet has are the milder items. (ADL is not everyone's cup of tea, but they don't forget artwork. They've collected these, and they are Dees' work!)

This is a "mere" garden variety total conspiracist? He is a raving anti-semite. Period.

[Trojan_Jockey]

Do me a favor and actually click this link and take a look at some of his more infamous works. http://www.adl.org/main_Extremism/David_Dees.htm His commercial site and the stuff that Prison Planet has are the milder items. (ADL is not everyone's cup of tea, but they don't forget artwork. They've collected these, and they are Dees' work!)

This is a "mere" garden variety total conspiracist? He is a raving anti-semite. Period.

Oh I agree that the art he creates is horrendously antisemitic, what I am questioning is whether Dees himself is clued up enough to even know what antisemitism is. I saw some of those images, such as the "Did 6 million really die" poster, on Smeggys web site recently:

http://www.smeggys.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8107

He too is a rapid conspiracy theorist who passionately claims not to be antisemitic. I believe these people don't actually think of themselves as racist, because in order to know and recognise racism you have to have at least one foot in the real world. Theirs is an existence detached from such concepts. All that matters to them is that you take a stance that is opposed to "the establishment".

I may be wrong, but it would explain what appear to be heartfelt denials of antisemtism from folk who embrace such vile images.

[Roadtoad]

See, this is partly the reason I don't waste my time with Rense. Rense spews crap, then hosts this anti-semitic crap to bring in the mouth-breathers, the people who can't read, and wouldn't be interesting in anything so bland as "facts."

[Foolmewunz]

Oh I agree that the art he creates is horrendously antisemitic, what I am questioning is whether Dees himself is clued up enough to even know what antisemitism is. I saw some of those images, such as the "Did 6 million really die" poster, on Smeggys web site recently:

http://www.smeggys.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8107

He too is a rapid conspiracy theorist who passionately claims not to be antisemitic. I believe these people don't actually think of themselves as racist, because in order to know and recognise racism you have to have at least one foot in the real world. Theirs is an existence detached from such concepts. All that matters to them is that you take a stance that is opposed to "the establishment".

I may be wrong, but it would explain what appear to be heartfelt denials of antisemtism from folk who embrace such vile images.

Well, I'm sure TFT will concur. I don't. If you check Dees own website, he's doing artwork for major corporations. I can't imagine he'd accidentally slip Hitler with a halo into something for Disney, for instance. If he was really so totally amoral that he's got a schizoid split going, he'd be unable to rein it in when he has to produce commercial work. (All, of course, IMHO.)

[Skeptic]

You actually find that funny? Wow.

Er, it's funny because it is -- probably unintentionally -- a reference to the last scene in "Dr. Strangelove".

[Skeptic]

I would give these guys the benefit of the doubt in the same sense I gave the late Bobby Fisher the benefit of the doubt: they're too insane to form intent. For them, "the Jews" or "the Zionists" are just faceless bogeymen. They have little relation to any actual Jew.

[Foolmewunz]

Is the definition of "anti-semite" --- one who hates Jews and wants to see them all dead in a pile?

Well, that would be one of them, yeah. Not so much a definition of, but more an example of, I'd say.



If so, I don't think Dees is one. He's more an anti-corrupt-Israeli-government-run-by-criminals kind of guy.

Who happens to get his jollies by drawing cartoons showing inmates en route to Auschwitz questioning The Holocaust, and present day girls getting tasered by Zionist police for reading famous Holocaust Denial books. What exactly does current day Israel have to do with The Holocaust. And if I may cite Nick Terry.... ain't no Holocaust Deniers who are NOT anti-semites.

[Harpyja]

Idiots. The art is very clearly Photoshopped.

... But, yeah. It doesn't seem that a lot of time or effort was put into making this.

[Roadtoad]

Idiots. The art is very clearly Photoshopped.

It's worse than that. It isn't even GOOD art. Hell, it would have to improve exponentially to even become mediocre.