Mumbai Attacks inside Job Countdown

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Also some of the family members talked to have left more recently, for instance OBL's first wife and her children left him in around 2000, just a year or so before 9/11 and so were privvy to some of that information.

I somehow doubt that OBL let the missus in on all the secret inner workings. Being from a mafia family, I know that the women are only told so much. :p

[skepticalcriticalguy]

All the evidence points to the terrorists being from Pakistan and inspired, trained, and supplied by Pakistani groups. There is no evidence of anyone else being involved, including Middle Eastern terror groups, Iran, etc.

But which Pakistani groups?

I know, I know; the ones the news tells you did it. Pretty quick investigation, considering the history of false-flags, but OK, I'll buy it.

[skepticalcriticalguy]

You'd be surprised. Of all the world's western media, the US and Australia's are the most inward looking, the rest tend to take a lot of notice about what is happening outside their own country.

Australia's news media looks inward? What is there to report? The occasional boomerang accident? Or kangaroo attack?

:D

[skepticalcriticalguy]

He may not be as open about it as some, but he does have his moments. In fact after he received some of that criticism you mentioned, he made up for it. I don't have a link because it was during one of his 3 hour rants/shows. He also did not believe Obama was nwo and that Hilary/McCain was the designated winner. Webster Tarpley managed to convince him otherwise in just one episode.

As I mentioned, I've never heard Webster Tarpley use the term "NWO," or "New World Order" even. Has anybody else here ever heard him use it? If so, let me know where and when. I could be wrong, but I doubt you'll find it.

[Jonnyclueless]

But which Pakistani groups?

I know, I know; the ones the news tells you did it. Pretty quick investigation, considering the history of false-flags, but OK, I'll buy it.


You know when the news reports something, the news is not making the claim, they are reporting it. And this notion that something is incorrect because the news reports it is idiotic as is claims of how there have been false flags in the past proves anything the news says is untrue.

You seem to think the false flag cry is a free pass to insert anything you want without any evidence and get away with it. The news reports something you don't want to hear? Call false flag. Can you prove the reports that the news is reporting are wrong?

so what's really going on here? What's going on is that the tabloids you use to get your conspiracy information are not legitimate news sources oar even news and they aren't taken seriously. So you have to try to pretend anything from the REAL news is false so you can pretend your little tabloids aren't a bunch of bogus (which they really are).

now to people who actual pay attention to the news instead of bashing it without even reading it because they already know the real news is not going to tell them made up conspiracy tales....They know that the news agencies are reporting what is known. And that is that no one is certain exactly yet who is responsible. As opposed to the tabloids who 5 minutes after the incident seem to already know its the Jews. Wow, what a surprise.

They do have suspects like in all crimes. One of them is the Al Qaeda member who did the Bali bombings. What information do they base this suspicion on? And informant. They have also captured one of the terrorists who was involved and provided them with information about the attacks. How the terrorists were promised that $1250 would be given to their families if they killed themselves in the process of the attack. And ths was through the group Lashkar-e-Taiba.

But why bother with things like members of the group, or informants or evidence when you can jsut go read your tabloids which can reliably tell you that the Jews (er *cough* zionists *cough* ) were responsible, like they do for every incident that ever happens? :D

[PhantomWolf]

I somehow doubt that OBL let the missus in on all the secret inner workings. Being from a mafia family, I know that the women are only told so much. :p

Will apart from the fact that the Italians and Musliums probably work in different ways, and from what I have read in fact he did discuss a lot of things with his wives, one of those that left with her was his teenage son (who now is an adult, married, and has been seeking a western country to allow him to settle there and get away from the past tied to his father.)

[PhantomWolf]

They do have suspects like in all crimes. One of them is the Al Qaeda member who did the Bali bombings.

Bali wasn't done by AQ, it was conducted by Jemaah Islamiyah, which does have links to AQ, but mostly because the leadership trained in Afghanistan at the same time as OBL and others and knew them during the Afghani War. The two groups have certainly have stayed in touch and JI has even helped out AQ in some of its projests in Soith East Asia, but OBL and AQ had no hand in JI's creation or in controlling its activities.

[PhantomWolf]

But which Pakistani groups?

I know, I know; the ones the news tells you did it. Pretty quick investigation, considering the history of false-flags, but OK, I'll buy it.

According to Indian authorities who have been interrogating the sole surivivor of the attackers, Lashkar-e-Taiba.

That should make you happy, because unlike AQ, LeT actually was a group that started up with financing from the ISI's CIA checks. Of course that funding ended in 1990, but it appears they have been rather resorceful since then, helping out the Taliban both in Pakistan and Afghanistan and even acting as body guards for the higher ups of AQ when they are in Pakistan.

[Travis]

I see we are again pretending that False Flags are common events in history. They, of course, are not and for good reason: if you do it you'd better be damned sure you win the war that results and be sure that there is ironclad plausible reliability. You see, if you don't win the war things will not only be exposed you'll probably lose your head. If the false flag is plainly obvious you might still win the initial war only to then face a huge coalition allied against you.

[Thunder]

Not that I want to give help to the conspiracy theorists, but..

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,463028,00.html

one of the guys arrested for the attacks is an undercover counter-insurgency Police Officer.

=(

[Tin Foil Timothy]

I see we are again pretending that False Flags are common events in history. They, of course, are not and for good reason: if you do it you'd better be damned sure you win the war that results and be sure that there is ironclad plausible reliability. You see, if you don't win the war things will not only be exposed you'll probably lose your head. If the false flag is plainly obvious you might still win the initial war only to then face a huge coalition allied against you.

It's laughable that anyone can claim to have an objective measure of the amount of false flags in history.

By their very nature the whole point is to keep them secret. He who professes to claim he knows how many false flags there hae been is just a wild an untamed speculator.

in two words.... ha ha! :D:D

[PhantomWolf]

It's laughable that anyone can claim to have an objective measure of the amount of false flags in history.

By their very nature the whole point is to keep them secret. He who professes to claim he knows how many false flags there hae been is just a wild an untamed speculator.

in two words.... ha ha! :D:D

And it's laughable that considering how fast those that we know about were discovered that anyone could actually have pulled off others without being found out, or having someone blab. The only way to keep a secret is to only tell one person, and then shoot them.

[gtc]

It's laughable that anyone can claim to have an objective measure of the amount of false flags in history.

By their very nature the whole point is to keep them secret. He who professes to claim he knows how many false flags there hae been is just a wild an untamed speculator.

in two words.... ha ha! :D:D

A lack of evidence for successful false flag events simply indicates that there is no evidence that successful false flag events have occurred in large number.

It isn't evidence that the ones which did occur were all succesfully hushed up.

[Skeptic]

The problem with Alex's "Anarchism" or "Objectivism" is that, like most of the all-government-is-evil types, they haven't lived a week in a place where there REALLY IS no government. I have, and believe me, it would change their mind.

Of course, Alex doesn't have to take my word for it. Sudan and the Congo are nice at this time of year, so if he wants to go to some government-free heaven, he's welcome to take a visit and see.

[Skeptic]

To clarify my previous post, "government did all the evil, therefore let's get rid of governments" logic suffers from the same problem as the "few accidents happen at more than 100 MPH, so let's all drive 100 MPH and there will be no accidents", or "most crimes are committed by people with two arms, so let's only hire amputees for sensitive jobs".

Governments performed most of the evil because most of the world is ruled by governments. But while some governments are evil, and are bad to live under, some are more benign; while EVERY society that lives in anarchy, without government, has been a hell on earth.

[Skeptic]

It's laughable that anyone can claim to have an objective measure of the amount of false flags in history.

By their very nature the whole point is to keep them secret. He who professes to claim he knows how many false flags there hae been is just a wild an untamed speculator.

(Shrug)

The real rulers of the world are Secret Invisibile Zionist Alien Reptilian Masonic Illuminati, or SIZARMI for short. Their method of mind control is to secretly brainwash anybody who eats fried eggs, using secret chemicals that are secretly inserted into fried eggs by secret agents on their secret payroll.

By their very nature, these brainwashings are secret; therefore, using your logic, anybody who claims that SIZARMI doesn't exist, or that no fried-egg brainwashing is going on, is merely wildly speculating. Well, let's not wildly speculate. Let's keep an open mind, and, just to be on the safe side, not eat fried eggs.

Can I finish your portion?

[Skeptic]

The only way to keep a secret is to only tell one person, and then shoot them.

And Quicky, at that.

[Doctor Evil]

But then you will have to shoot the shooters :eek:

[Trojan_Jockey]

But then you will have to shoot the shooters :eek:

No, no, no. You shoot them yourself.

[dudalb]

The problem with Alex's "Anarchism" or "Objectivism" is that, like most of the all-government-is-evil types, they haven't lived a week in a place where there REALLY IS no government. I have, and believe me, it would change their mind.

Of course, Alex doesn't have to take my word for it. Sudan and the Congo are nice at this time of year, so if he wants to go to some government-free heaven, he's welcome to take a visit and see.


It tells you something that some Libertarians have tried to make the case that Somalia is an ideal for the rest of the world, and I am not kidding.

[Skeptic]

It tells you something that some Libertarians have tried to make the case that Somalia is an ideal for the rest of the world, and I am not kidding.

And yet, not one of them actually emigrated from the evil, government-controlled socialist hell of the USA to that paradise of free enterprise, Somalia. Probably for the same reasons not a single of all those communist sympathizers actually bothered to move to the USSR...

[PhantomWolf]

And yet, not one of them actually emigrated from the evil, government-controlled socialist hell of the USA to that paradise of free enterprise, Somalia. Probably for the same reasons not a single of all those communist sympathizers actually bothered to move to the USSR...

Hey, a few of the communist sympathizers defected to the USSR...

[Stout]

And yet, not one of them actually emigrated from the evil, government-controlled socialist hell of the USA to that paradise of free enterprise, Somalia. Probably for the same reasons not a single of all those communist sympathizers actually bothered to move to the USSR...

Interesting idea, and one I've been advocating for all those far left childish whiners who're constantly on about the "evils of western society". It seems they're too attached to their corporate provided conveniences and government initiated hygiene standards to actually consider dumping this eco-hostile society that values personal responsibility over victim focus mentality to actually make the move to the beckoning socialist/anarchist paradise they could help create in Somalia.

Well, there's always the Venus Project....:D

[SDC]

It's laughable that anyone can claim to have an objective measure of the amount of false flags in history.

By their very nature the whole point is to keep them secret. He who professes to claim he knows how many false flags there hae been is just a wild an untamed speculator.

in two words.... ha ha! :D:D

Ah yes: the famous "absence of evidence is evidence of presence" argument; there is no evidence, so it must be so.

[geni]

Of course, Alex doesn't have to take my word for it. Sudan and the Congo are nice at this time of year, so if he wants to go to some government-free heaven, he's welcome to take a visit and see.

Both those contries have goverments. In both cases those goverments are part of the problem (less so in the congo although that may be because the goverment is so weak).

[Galileo]

The problem with Alex's "Anarchism" or "Objectivism" is that, like most of the all-government-is-evil types, they haven't lived a week in a place where there REALLY IS no government. I have, and believe me, it would change their mind.

Of course, Alex doesn't have to take my word for it. Sudan and the Congo are nice at this time of year, so if he wants to go to some government-free heaven, he's welcome to take a visit and see.

So you think James Madison was an anarchist? A Constitutionally limited government is not anarchy. Alex Jones, like Ron Paul, wants the government to follow the plain language of the Constitution and its delegated powers, and if need be, amend the Constitution.

The Congo doesn't have a U.S. Constitution.

[Skeptic]

Actually, Alex continously claims that government as such is evil.

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Ah yes: the famous "absence of evidence is evidence of presence" argument; there is no evidence, so it must be so.

No, absence of evidence doesn't mean absence of existence.

The reality is that it is possible that False flags have occurred. I believe they have, You believe they haven't.


Someone else, Travis said "I see we are again pretending that False Flags are common events in history. They, of course, are not"

Now of course Travis hasn't a clue how many false flags have occurred. And neither have you. And neither have I.

[Trojan_Jockey]

No, absence of evidence doesn't mean absence of existence.

The reality is that it is possible that False flags have occurred. I believe they have, You believe they haven't.


Someone else, Travis said "I see we are again pretending that False Flags are common events in history. They, of course, are not"

Now of course Travis hasn't a clue how many false flags have occurred. And neither have you. And neither have I.

Yes, and neither of us have a clue how many flying Spaghetti monsters are orbiting the planet Jupiter. How many should we assume there are TFT?

[Belz...]

Hey guess what? Both acts can be wrong.

Careful now, Full. That would imply the existence of gray-area morality, something that CTs can't possibly understand.

[Belz...]

No, absence of evidence doesn't mean absence of existence.

No but it's a damn good indication.

[Belz...]

The real rulers of the world are Secret Invisibile Zionist Alien Reptilian Masonic Illuminati, or SIZARMI for short.

Hihihihihi.

Their method of mind control is to secretly brainwash anybody who eats fried eggs, using secret chemicals that are secretly inserted into fried eggs by secret agents on their secret payroll.

Don't forget chemtrails and fluoride.

[Skeptic]

Hey, Belz, you don't have evidence that ISN'T true, huh?! DO YOU?!?!

[PhantomWolf]

No, absence of evidence doesn't mean absence of existence.

Time to pull the other old chestnut out of the fire:

Absence of evidence may not be evidence of absence, but it a darn good place to start.

And neither have you. And neither have I.

And yet you claim they are common.

[Tin Foil Timothy]

And yet you claim they are common.

Did I? Where?

My take on False Flags is that I'm naive enough to believe they haven't happened