The greatest forgery in history

[Toke]

I just had a 4 page pamplet dump in my letterslit.

It starts with the sabbat being holy, not sunday, and that the catholich church commited a forgery of the bible in year 336.
The cc even admids that it is its mark.

This is then confirmed by luther calling the cc for animal and antichrist.
It is then regretted that he collaporates in this lie.

The EU is part of a sunday movement trying to spread this mark of the beast.

There are also two different versions of 10 commandments.

The US is a evil force procecuting the christians (and terrorists) on behalf of the fundamentatist christians/powerelite.


The whole thing originates from www.endtimes.net

Can anyone tell me if this is fringe lunatics or mainstream??


Good news: "no one will feel gods anger unless they know the truth and rejects it."
I have newer read the bible and are safe, Piggy you are in truble

[Bikewer]

It doesn't sound much different than the stuff that Tony Alamo has been peddling for years; usually pamphlets written in very small fonts that go on and on about the Catholic church...

[Greediguts]

Interesting. I just had a co-worker tell me they used to be an athiest until they realized that the Catholic Church had edited the Bible and obviously did it so people would follow the Pope and not Jesus.


Never heard of someone GAINING faith for that reason.......


"Tony Alamo"? Sounds like the name of a cartoon show from the 70's.

[UnrepentantSinner]

I've been debating a Creationist on another forum for a long time who thinks that Piltdown Man was the greatest forgery/hoax in history. I'll provide more details upon request.

[Toke]

I knew before reading this that the bible was assembled at a church meeting in 300 some.
Wonder how they decided what to include, and what happended to the rest, bookburning?

If my summary above sounds incoherrent/selfcontradiction, it is because it is translated from a incorherrent text in danish.

[Safe-Keeper]

When I saw the threat title I thought "shroud of turin"?

[Toke]

Well, not a bad guess.

[Safe-Keeper]

:)

[Beerina]

Major religions are the greatest forgery in history -- just not the kind he's thinking of.

[I Ratant]

Pious scams include saints. All religions include them, to give the oppressed some illusion of reward for remaining oppressed instead of improving their lot by leaving the religion.
Tony and Susan Alamo used to have a vigorous presence here in So. Cal, but she died, and her body vanished. Tony is currently under investigation for child molestation in Texas.
His group here still litters the Mall parking lot with their flyers.

[Toke]

It is an important part of most religions to accept your lot in life, and hope for a better afterlife.
Peasant rebelions are most ungodly.

[Zep]

The greatest forgery is the one that has not yet been revealed! :eek:

[Skeptical Greg]

True. And who knows how many there are ?

[Zep]

Exactamundo!

*cue Twighlight Zone music...*

[shadron]

I knew before reading this that the bible was assembled at a church meeting in 300 some.
Wonder how they decided what to include, and what happended to the rest, bookburning?

If my summary above sounds incoherrent/selfcontradiction, it is because it is translated from a incorherrent text in danish.

The Council of Nicea in 325CE was called to codify what the Christian church believed (I'll call it Christian, because it was the only church at the time forwarding the divinity of Christ). Up to that point, under on-again, off-again persecution by Rome, the church had gone in myriad directions, each more or less along the lines of it's most outspoken local priest/minister. Constantine (the Roman Emperor, sitting in the eastern capital of Constantinople who had converted to Christianity) called it because for his purposes an official church of the Roman Empire, to be useful, had to have a solid administration and a firm direction, to cut out the divisiveness. The outcomes of the council were decided by vote of the bishops attending, and those who lost were labeled heretics and enjoined by both by the church and by the empire from spreading their interpretations. Bookburning would, of course, have been part of that.

One of that council's goals was to set the definition of Easter, which it did. This fact that it was defined to have happened on a Sunday later was to set Sunday as the pattern for he day of worship.

According to doubtful legend, part of the deliberations of that council was to determine what exactly the bible was. In actuality, the books of the Bible were defined by tradiion and set in stone by practice, especially when Constanine ordered 50 bibles to be created in 340CE.

It is really funny that the Protestants rail against all this, inasmuch as they were still 1200 years in the future. The Protestant moral forbearers in Nicea did exactly what everyone else did, and bowed down to it, unless you want to class those Protestant forbearers as the heretics, who also bent or died as was the strength of their belief in their own theories. With the exception of the Pope's assumed authority, all Protestants essentially accepted the results of Nicea (and all the five following ecumenical councils) with only minor modifications when it was their time to do so.

[shadron]

Major religions are the greatest forgery in history -- just not the kind he's thinking of.

Ehh, I'd label them more a protection racket than a forgery.

[LarianLeQuella]

There are also two different versions of 10 commandments.



I thought there were at least 4 versions? And then there are over 38,000 versions of christianity....

[fuelair]

Interesting. I just had a co-worker tell me they used to be an athiest until they realized that the Catholic Church had edited the Bible and obviously did it so people would follow the Pope and not Jesus.


Never heard of someone GAINING faith for that reason.......


"Tony Alamo"? Sounds like the name of a cartoon show from the 70's.
A great description of it here: http://tonyalamochurch.com/

[Toke]

I thought there were at least 4 versions? And then there are over 38,000 versions of christianity....

I am just quoting the pampflet, it has only two vertions.

[Greediguts]

A great description of it here: http://tonyalamochurch.com/

Ick. I remember this guy. I didn't know he was so anti-Catholic though....


I love his statement he posted to help prove his innocence:

"I do not promote polygamy, but I do preach the Bible. I do not promote teenage marriages or young marriages, but I do preach the Bible. God prefers women who have reached puberty to marry rather than commit fornication and first degree murder by aborting their children. Both of these sins send the person to hell and to the lake of fire." - Taken from Tony Alamo's statement found here (http://www.alamoministries.com/false_accusations/falseaccusers.html).

How does he think this helps prove his innocence???? During his trial, will he actually use the Bible in his defense? I'd love to hear those arguments!

[Toke]

Poor jugde.

We had a herecy case a few years back.
For good historical reasons the church had to take it to a regular court.
There were alot of theology back and forth on wether you should baptice in or to the name of jesus.
The point was wether the priest could be fired or not.

[arthwollipot]

I've been debating a Creationist on another forum for a long time who thinks that Piltdown Man was the greatest forgery/hoax in history. I'll provide more details upon request.Yes, that's a pretty common one. But most of the virulent evolution deniers I know of say that the whole of the theory of evolution is the greatest... if not forgery than scam.

[six7s]

There are also two different versions of 10 commandments.Yep, no matter which of the gazillion versions your read, each bible has two versions: Exodus 20:2-17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2020:2-17&version=31)
Deuteronomy 5:6-21 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%205:6%E2%80%9321;&version=31;)

Or... if instead of two versions of ten each, you're happy to condense what is essentially a padded list down to just two commandments, try this:
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[slingblade]

I've been debating a Creationist on another forum for a long time who thinks that Piltdown Man was the greatest forgery/hoax in history.


...isn't it?

[Toke]

Good video, two commandments makes much more sense:D

[Beerina]

Ehh, I'd label them more a protection racket than a forgery.

I don't know. Would official relics and artifacts, supposed to have some kind of actual supernatural properties, forgeries since said properties do not exist?

And we won't even get into the 74 "John the Baptist" fingers and "Lot's weenies he used on his daughters" lying under glass all over the world... :)