What would you ask KSM in court?

[Brainache]

Given that the Truthers won't lift a finger to stop this heinous miscarriage of justice...(do I really need a sarcasm smiley here?), I'd like to know what questions they would put to KSM if they were Lawyers and they had him on the stand in front of them. Surely a bit of clever cross examination could blow the lid off the whole charade.

There you go Truthy types: Your witness...

[WildCat]

Boxers or briefs?

[dtugg]

Why are you confessing to a crime that was proven, using cardboard boxes, to actually have been done by your sworn enemy, the same one that's trying to kill you through this sham of a trial?

[Brainache]

@ Wildcat: He looks to me like the type to go commando style.

If I were a Truther I'd go for the "So where did all the money come from?" type questions, but surely Jihad Jane or Homeland Insurgencey etc could come up with something better...

[WildCat]

If you were a tree, what kind of tree would you be?

[Brainache]

Does being executed for planning the murder of thousands of innocent civilians count as martyrdom according to your Prophet?

[WildCat]

If a train left NYC at 2 PM, and traveled west at 45 mph, and at the exact same time another train left St. Louis and traveled east at an average speed of 50 mph, how many apples can you get for $3?

[jhunter1163]

Did you put the bomp in the bomp-a-bomp-a-bomp?

[Redtail]

Truther: KSM... May I call you M? You say that you help to plan the 9/11 attacks, using this laptop could you please present the youtube vid of said planning?

KSM:... What?

Truther: Oh you can't? funny... a child using common sense could find a vid of ninja cat in seconds...

KSM: ... I... I Uh....

Truther: Isn't it true Mr. M that you had nothing to do with 9/11?!?! Is it not true that 9/11 was IN FACT an inside job!?!?!

KSM: No...

Truther: You don't understand? Ladies and gentlemen of the jury I present Loose Change, Loose Change 2nd ed, Sept. Lies, Loose Change Final Cut, This vid by killtown...
more vidz...

still more...

yet moar...


........ and last but not least the Pentacon!!!!! All must be watched in their entirety.

(Truther invites friends in and sets up web cam so his buddies on the boards can watch them watching)

Truther watching watching 1: Hellz yeah man!

TWW2: Wake up sheeple.

TWW3: Wake u... OMGZ!!!11! Dude run! Black ops snipers are there!!! eleventy!!

Truther: Wha? (Turns from truthy porn to see Juror 8's head asplode, runs)

next day on Prison Planet

Truthy Mactruthfap talks of his escape:
Inside job inside job.
Ninja skills to escape.
Sheeple wake up.

(AJ was tired and wanted a burger.)

[Panoply_Prefect]

Did you put the bomp in the bomp-a-bomp-a-bomp?

Isn't it true, that you in fact didn't put the clunk in the clunkity-clunk?

[PhantomWolf]

Truther: KSM... May I call you M? You say that you help to plan the 9/11 attacks, using this laptop could you please present the youtube vid of said planning?

KSM:... What?

Truther: Oh you can't? funny... a child using common sense could find a vid of ninja cat in seconds...

KSM: ... I... I Uh....

Truther: Isn't it true Mr. M that you had nothing to do with 9/11?!?! Is it not true that 9/11 was IN FACT an inside job!?!?!

KSM: No...

Truther: You don't understand? Ladies and gentlemen of the jury I present Loose Change, Loose Change 2nd ed, Sept. Lies, Loose Change Final Cut, This vid by killtown...
more vidz...

still more...

yet moar...


........ and last but not least the Pentacon!!!!! All must be watched in their entirety.

(Truther invites friends in and sets up web cam so his buddies on the boards can watch them watching)

Truther watching watching 1: Hellz yeah man!

TWW2: Wake up sheeple.

TWW3: Wake u... OMGZ!!!11! Dude run! Black ops snipers are there!!! eleventy!!

Truther: Wha? (Turns from truthy porn to see Juror 8's head asplode, runs)

next day on Prison Planet

Truthy Mactruthfap talks of his escape:
Inside job inside job.
Ninja skills to escape.
Sheeple wake up.

(AJ was tired and wanted a burger.)

I think it would turn out a little like this:

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[skepticalcriticalguy]

Want to rat out the real perps?

[Redtail]

I think it would turn out a little like this:

Q_OIXfkXEj0

This cat is mad at you due to beer in his fur.
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[skepticalcriticalguy]

Have you stopped beating your wife?

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Yo, KSM, did you REALLY think you could pull this caper off? Did you REALLY think you guys could send out 19 drunks to completely overwhelm and outsmart the multi-trillion dollar US defense system?? Come clean, dude. You had moles planted in the US government, right? You must have.

(Or somebody did, anyway).

[dtugg]

Yo, KSM, did you REALLY think you could pull this caper off? Did you REALLY think you guys could send out 19 drunks to completely overwhelm and outsmart the multi-trillion dollar US defense system?? Come clean, dude. You had moles planted in the US government, right? You must have.

(Or somebody did, anyway).

This is funny. Because you actually think like that.

[skepticalcriticalguy]

This is funny. Because you actually think like that.

Your reply is funny. Because you actually "think" like that.

[UNLoVedRebel]

Did you know you can save a bunch of money on your car insurance by switching to Geico?

[UNLoVedRebel]

Want to rat out the real perps?

Yeah, cause we all know how much those Anglo-Saxons and Muslim extremists love working together just to appease that NWO. Did you want to articulate your sexed-up LIHOP version of the "Truth", or did you just plan on trolling?

[funk de fino]

Your reply is funny. Because you actually "think" like that.

Your 19 drunks claim was funnier.

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Did you want to articulate your sexed-up LIHOP version of the "Truth", or did you just plan on trolling?

You would ask KSM this question?

(so bitter)

LIHOP? Reading a bit into it, aren't we?

[JoeyDonuts]

Me: "Heyy...sprechen zie talk?"

KSM: *blank stare*

Me: "It's not what I want, it's what I can give you. Look, let's be straight, okay? It's obvious you're not some dumb thug up here to snatch a few purses, am I right?"

KSM: "...anaa la hafam?"

Me: "Hey, I read the papers, I watch 60 Minutes, I say to myself, these guys are professionals, they're motivated, they're happening. They want something. Now, personally, I don't care about your politics. Maybe you're pissed at the Camel Jockeys, maybe it's the Heebs, Northern Ireland, that's none of my business. I figure, you're here to negotiate, am I right?"

KSM: *looks at judge in confusion*

Me: "Hey, business is business. You use a gun, I use a fountain pen, what's the difference? To put it in my terms, you're here on a hostile takeover and you grab us for some greenmail but you didn't expect a poison pill was gonna be running around the building."

KSM: "anaa laa ataHaddath al'ingiliiziyya...?"

Me: "Khaled, bubby...I'm your white knight."

KSM: "...???"

Me: "Aw, screw it. Balliff, handcuff the witness to his chair and evacuate everyone else. NOW! *into radio* Viper One, this is Rook. Fire Mission Alpha Zero-Seven. AC-130 hot on my signal in 90 seconds."

*shoots out window, sets off red smoke marker*

Me: "Listen, amigo. I would have loved to have worked this out another way. No really, I would have. But the way I see it, if you were such an honorable martyr, it would have been you in one of those planes. So I'm going to give you what you should have had. A proper martryrdom. What, you really didn't think you were going to die an old man surrounded by thousands of adoring Muslims did you? Nope. You are going to die just like your brothers. Vaporized in a pile of smoldering rubble. Allahu Ackbar, you son of a bitch."

*goes to leave, then turns around.*

Me: "Oh yeah, one more thing."

*produces a bag of pork rinds and covers KSM with the greasy mess...then walks out of the courtroom just as the AC-130 opens fire*

Roll credits.

Damn, I watch too many J. Bruckheimer movies.

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Your 19 drunks claim was funnier.

They weren't 19 drunks? They were actually very sober and focused comrades in arms? You really believe that?

[UNLoVedRebel]

You would ask KSM this question?


Refer to post 18.

[UNLoVedRebel]

They weren't 19 drunks? They were actually very sober and focused comrades in arms? You really believe that?

Are you a remote-control kinda guy, or are you trying to tell us you're a no planer? Don't make us guess.

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Are you a remote-control kinda guy, or are you trying to tell us you're a no planer? Don't make us guess.

Are you a "conspiracies don't exist, at least not in America" kinda fella?

[UNLoVedRebel]

Are you a "conspiracies don't exist, at least not in America" kinda fella?

This conversation is going nowhere fast.

[portlandatheist]

How did you develop "thermite shape charges" and where can I get some?

[KingMerv00]

They weren't 19 drunks? They were actually very sober and focused comrades in arms? You really believe that?

I don't think it is relevant even if true.
Even drunks can get stuff done. (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/List-of-famous-alcoholics)

[skepticalcriticalguy]

This conversation is going nowhere fast.

Don't you wonder how they thought they could pull it off, Unlovedrebel? I mean, come on; do you think Arabs just stupid people?

[skepticalcriticalguy]

I don't think it is relevant even if true.
Even drunks can get stuff done. (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/List-of-famous-alcoholics)

Amazing amount of "stuff" they "got done" that perfect day in September.

[dtugg]

Your reply is funny. Because you actually "think" like that.

Ouch. You got me there. :rolleyes:

Let me answer your question as if I were KSM.

Yes, I thought we could pull it off. And we did. We had a very good plan that was not even very complicated. The 19 brothers of the Holy Tuesday operation were not drunks. Some of them may have drank a little before their martyrdom mission, but that's OK because Allah allows for this. They were able to succeed despite the vast amount of money spent by the Great Satan on their defense because we came up with a good plan which we kept a secret that worked around weaknesses in it, no defense system is perfect. We knew the passengers and crew wouldn't be likely to fight back (the only reason they did on UA93 is because they heard what had happened in New York), especially since the 19 brothers claimed they had bombs. We also knew the Air Force wouldn't have enough time shoot to down the planes because even the Great Satan can't make a fighter jet just appear where it wants it to. Getting a plane off the ground and into position takes time. And even if they did have time, it would have been difficult for them to find the planes with the transponders off. And even if the Great Satan shot down some or all of the planes, it still would have been a victory for us because we would have forced the infidels to kill a bunch of their infidels. No, we didn't have insiders in the US government, although that would be a dream come true. And even if we did, a couple moles inside cannot just make NORAD stand down, or whatever ridiculous nonsense you believe, especially without anybody noticing. Even if our supposed mole was the POTUS, himself, he could not do that without anybody noticing.

[skepticalcriticalguy]

I'd ask:

"Hey, KSM, what year did Osama die?"

[KingMerv00]

Amazing amount of "stuff" they "got done" that perfect day in September.

Regardless of who did it: Al Qaeda or the US government...yes, stuff got done.

I have no idea what you are saying.

[UNLoVedRebel]

Don't you wonder how they thought they could pull it off, Unlovedrebel? I mean, come on; do you think Arabs just stupid people?

On top of that being racist, it's also an incomplete sentence.

[KingMerv00]

I'd ask:

"Hey, KSM, what year did Osama die?"

This isn't relevant either to the issue at hand. Let's say America concealed OBL's death in the last 5 years. Does that mean he wasn't responsible for 9/11?

The only way it would be relevant is if OBL was dead before 9/11.

Please. I mean this. Focus on one claim at a time.

[Dr Adequate]

Are you a "conspiracies don't exist, at least not in America" kinda fella? Since no-one in the world believes that, a smarter person than you would have figured out that the answer to your question is: "No".

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Regardless of who did it: Al Qaeda or the US government...yes, stuff got done.

I have no idea what you are saying.

I have no idea what YOU are saying. Other than stuff got done. And that you have no idea what I'm saying.

Are you saying that the US government are also drunks?

[KingMerv00]

Since no-one in the world believes that, a smarter person than you would have figured out that the answer to your question is: "No".

To be fair, it is possible he was making a purposeful exaggeration.

[skepticalcriticalguy]

This isn't relevant either to the issue at hand. Let's say America concealed OBL's death in the last 5 years. Does that mean he wasn't responsible for 9/11?

The only way it would be relevant is if OBL was dead before 9/11.

Please. I mean this. Focus on one claim at a time.

Kind of a technicality, don't you thjink? It would still be a good question to ask KSM, even if the defense (if there was one) would object.

[dtugg]

Since KSM has been at Gitmo for the past five years, he likely wouldn't even know if Osama was dead if that were even true.

[KingMerv00]

I have no idea what YOU are saying. Other than stuff got done. And that you have no idea what I'm saying.

Are you saying that the US government are also drunks?

Obviously, we are having a misunderstanding. you said:


Yo, KSM, did you REALLY think you could pull this caper off? Did you REALLY think you guys could send out 19 drunks to completely overwhelm and outsmart the multi-trillion dollar US defense system?? Come clean, dude. You had moles planted in the US government, right? You must have.

(Or somebody did, anyway).

You implied that "drunks" would have difficulty pulling off 9/11. I simply said the point is irrelevant and there was no need to bring it up in the first place because drunks aren't always completely incompetent.

I am not being hostile to you.

[KingMerv00]

Kind of a technicality, don't you thjink? It would still be a good question to ask KSM, even if the defense (if there was one) would object.

Fair enough.

Please pick a single claim and show your evidence.

To avoid derailing the thread, I suppose the claim should involve KSM.

[UNLoVedRebel]

Regardless of who did it: Al Qaeda or the US government...yes, stuff got done.

I have no idea what you are saying.

Who knows what he's trying to say, not that he has any more of an idea either. This is what the truth movement has deteriorated to, some obnoxious troller posting nonsense. Oh wait, that's all it ever was. Never mind.

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Who knows what he's trying to say, not that he has any more of an idea either. This is what the truth movement has deteriorated to, some obnoxious troller posting nonsense. Oh wait, that's all it ever was. Never mind.

Oh my. I'm so defeated by your wit. I think I'll retreat now and go make love to my girl and go to sleep and get up and work and then come home and have dinner and maybe play some ball with the kid.

Which reminds me; if 9/11 Truth is done and buried, why y'all still hanging around playing here? Don't you have better things to do, too?

[dtugg]

Which reminds me; if 9/11 Truth is done and buried, why y'all still hanging around playing here? Don't you have better things to do, too?

I enjoy laughing at you guys. You are better entertainment than television. I actually hope that twoofers never stop trying to prove 9/11 was an inside job.

[skepticalcriticalguy]

I enjoy laughing at you guys. You are better entertainment than television. I actually hope that twoofers never stop trying to prove 9/11 was an inside job.

Funny, from what I see, there are maybe THREE twoofers who post here any more. Those three give you enough entertainment to keep you away from the family? I'm starting to wonder if maybe you live in Mom's basement. Come on; tell the twoof now.

[dtugg]

Funny, from what I see, there are maybe THREE twoofers who post here any more. Those three give you enough entertainment to keep you away from the family? I'm starting to wonder if maybe you live in Mom's basement. Come on; tell the twoof now.

Lets see. Off the top of my head there is you, Turbofan, Homeland Insurgency, JihadJane, RedIbis, Sizzler, TheLoneBedouin, 9/11-investigator, Heiwa, ULTIMA1, and I may be forgetting about a few. And of course, there are the twoofer idiots that don't post here, perhaps because they are banned such Craig Ranke and Ace Baker, that I get to laugh at by reading threads here.

Posting here doesn't cause me to keep me away from my family. If I am home, I just keep the window open and refresh if I am not doing anything else. Also since I don't have a job (by this, I mean that I don't have to go somewhere and work everyday not that I don't earn money), I am home more than most people and don't have to worry about going to bed at a reasonable hour so I can get up for work. And I don't live with my mother, I live with my girlfriend in my own house.

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Ouch. You got me there. :rolleyes:

Let me answer your question as if I were KSM.

Yes, I thought we could pull it off. And we did. We had a very good plan that was not even very complicated. The 19 brothers of the Holy Tuesday operation were not drunks. Some of them may have drank a little before their martyrdom mission, but that's OK because Allah allows for this. They were able to succeed despite the vast amount of money spent by the Great Satan on their defense because we came up with a good plan which we kept a secret that worked around weaknesses in it, no defense system is perfect. We knew the passengers and crew wouldn't be likely to fight back (the only reason they did on UA93 is because they heard what had happened in New York), especially since the 19 brothers claimed they had bombs. We also knew the Air Force wouldn't have enough time shoot to down the planes because even the Great Satan can't make a fighter jet just appear where it wants it to. Getting a plane off the ground and into position takes time. And even if they did have time, it would have been difficult for them to find the planes with the transponders off. And even if the Great Satan shot down some or all of the planes, it still would have been a victory for us because we would have forced the infidels to kill a bunch of their infidels. No, we didn't have insiders in the US government, although that would be a dream come true. And even if we did, a couple moles inside cannot just make NORAD stand down, or whatever ridiculous nonsense you believe, especially without anybody noticing. Even if our supposed mole was the POTUS, himself, he could not do that without anybody noticing.

On cross-examination, I'd ask:

"Hey, KSM, so you thought you COULD get away with it. Nice plan. Kudos. But, did you also think the radical muslim world would gain from it? Did you think YOU would gain from it? Did you think you would be able to, once again, outsmart the mighty US military machine and walk away? Did you think that the US would NOT invade a few countries because of your actions? Are you a fool? Come on, KSM: rat out the real perps, and save yourself. Nobody thinks you Arabs are stupid people, because that would be racist. We actually think you're very smart. Seems like you were set up. Do you have anything to say about that? Heck, there are even people over at the ol' JREF who don't think Arabs are stupid, because THEY certainly aren't racist. And they think Al Qaeda are sinister, calculated, smart people too. So how could you be so stupid as to do this??????"

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Posting here doesn't cause me to keep me away from my family. If I am home, I just keep the window open and refresh if I am not doing anything else. Also since I don't have a job (by this, I mean that I don't have to go somewhere and work everyday not that I don't earn money), I am home more than most people and don't have to worry about going to bed at a reasonable hour so I can get up for work. And I don't live with my mother, I live with my girlfriend in my own house.

Good, I respect that. We have similar situations. Sorry about the "mom's basement" remark; that was low.

[dtugg]

KSM: What you don't understand is that we want war with the Great Satan. Allah is on our side and because of that, we will eventually be victorious.

[KingMerv00]

On cross-examination, I'd ask:

"Hey, KSM, so you thought you COULD get away with it. Nice plan. Kudos. But, did you also think the radical muslim world would gain from it? Did you think YOU would gain from it? Did you think you would be able to, once again, outsmart the mighty US military machine and walk away? Did you think that the US would NOT invade a few countries because of your actions? Are you a fool? Come on, KSM: rat out the real perps, and save yourself. Nobody thinks you Arabs are stupid people, because that would be racist. We actually think you're very smart. Seems like you were set up. Do you have anything to say about that? Heck, there are even people over at the ol' JREF who don't think Arabs are stupid, because THEY certainly aren't racist. And they think Al Qaeda are sinister, calculated, smart people too. So how could you be so stupid as to do this??????"

I think KSM's motives are based on faith and politics. He wanted to kill as many non-believers as possible and to make Americans fearful so they would think twice about supporting Israel.

He may have suspected that America would invade but welcomed the opportunity to wage holy war and believed Allah would protect his people from the "Great Satan".

I think Al Qaeda could not be more wrong about religion. That being said, that does not mean they are stupid when it comes to strategic planning.

[Oliver]

"So what do you think about the funny fact that we gave you pork all the time?"

[chillzero]

Stop bickering or the thread will be binned to AAH.

[dtugg]

Good, I respect that. We have similar situations. Sorry about the "mom's basement" remark; that was low.

Cool of you for apologizing. Thanks.

[JoeyDonuts]

Stop bickering or the thread will be binned to AAH.

That'd get a confession out of him.

[funk de fino]

They weren't 19 drunks? They were actually very sober and focused comrades in arms? You really believe that?

Why dont you prove they were 19 drunks?

[A W Smith]

On cross-examination, I'd ask:

"Hey, KSM, so you thought you COULD get away with it.
KSM did get away with it. for some time before he was captured. he claimed responsibility for planning many attacks in the past. and from his POV was not even pursued. very similar to the classic serial killer. With each act becoming more brazen.
Nice plan. Kudos. But, did you also think the radical muslim world would gain from it? Did not Spain withdraw after the train attacks? Their motive was clear. get the US out of involvement in affairs of the region.Did you think YOU would gain from it? Did you think you would be able to, once again, outsmart the mighty US military machine and walk away? As I pointed out above. did he not walk away from previous acts he planned?Did you think that the US would NOT invade a few countries because of your actions?had they in the past ? Are you a fool? Come on, KSM: rat out the real perps, and save yourself. Nobody thinks you Arabs are stupid people, because that would be racist. We actually think you're very smart. Seems like you were set up. Do you have anything to say about that? Heck, there are even people over at the ol' JREF who don't think Arabs are stupid, because THEY certainly aren't racist. And they think Al Qaeda are sinister, calculated, smart people too. So how could you be so stupid as to do this??????"And he would answer. "Have you not been listening to me even before i was captured? had i not made my points in the attacks of the marine barracks? the Cole? the 93 WTC bombing? Are you a fool?"


listen. its very simple. KSM did a cost benefit analysis based on the reactions he got from the US in the past. With each act he was not pursued. In their view the US was a paper tiger. With each wound inflicted on the US their recruitment grew. they were emboldened. What had they to fear? and even now seven years after 9/11. what has it cost the US? is the taliban in Afghanistan not growing? Is the region more stable than it was ten years ago? Has anything the US done over there even worked? How popular is the administration in the Us now? Has torture in Guantanamo helped or hurt insurgency recruitment? It is as if KSM and AQ cant lose no matter what they do.

[Dr Adequate]

On cross-examination, I'd ask:

"Hey, KSM, so you thought you COULD get away with it. Nice plan. Kudos. But, did you also think the radical muslim world would gain from it? Did you think YOU would gain from it? Did you think you would be able to, once again, outsmart the mighty US military machine and walk away? Did you think that the US would NOT invade a few countries because of your actions? Are you a fool? Come on, KSM: rat out the real perps, and save yourself. Nobody thinks you Arabs are stupid people, because that would be racist. We actually think you're very smart. Seems like you were set up. Do you have anything to say about that? No, he doesn't.

Is this, in your view, because (a) he's incredibly stupid (b) al Qaeda was responsible for 9/11 (c) other?

Heck, there are even people over at the ol' JREF who don't think Arabs are stupid, because THEY certainly aren't racist. And they think Al Qaeda are sinister, calculated, smart people too. So how could you be so stupid as to do this??????" And as a follow-up question: "If, on the other hand, you were smart enough not to perpetrate 9/11 (as Truthers maintain) then how come you and your pals are also dumb enough to go around claiming that you did?

Let's ask those questions again, only this time about pretending to be the criminals: did you also think the radical muslim world would gain from it? Did you think YOU would gain from it? Did you think you would be able to, once again, outsmart the mighty US military machine and walk away? Did you think that the US would NOT invade a few countries because of your actions? Are you a fool?

Aparently you're smart enough to realise the consequences of being blamed for the crime if you did it, but are too dumb to grasp that exactly the same consequences apply if you convince people that you did it when you didn't. Why is this?"

[MikeW]

On cross-examination, I'd ask:

"Hey, KSM, so you thought you COULD get away with it. Nice plan. Kudos. But, did you also think the radical muslim world would gain from it? Did you think YOU would gain from it? Did you think you would be able to, once again, outsmart the mighty US military machine and walk away? Did you think that the US would NOT invade a few countries because of your actions? Are you a fool?"
And KSM might reply:

"Of course we wanted you to strike back. That was the goal. Because by doing that, you awakened the ummah, who saw your bombs slaughtering their children and rose up against you.

And now, you are trapped. You are too proud to walk away. Yet the longer you stay in the killing fields of Iraq and Afghanistan, the more martyrs you create, and the more warriors will rise up against you. The cost of your crusades is sapping your economy at a time when you can least afford it.

And it's only going to get worse. You are losing in Afghanistan. Even now brothers are rising against your allies in Pakistan and India, and other countries will follow. You will face an unwinnable war everywhere you turn, and even with your superior technology, there is nothing you can do about it. The collapse of America is surely imminent, inshallah.

Most surprising of all, you have no recognition of this situation. You still think that somehow because you have sent thousands of troops to occupy a foreign country, you have somehow "won" and we have "lost".

Truly, you are a nation of fools."

[NobbyNobbs]

Oh my. I'm so defeated by your wit. I think I'll retreat now and go make love to my girl and go to sleep and get up and work and then come home and have dinner and maybe play some ball with the kid.

Which reminds me; if 9/11 Truth is done and buried, why y'all still hanging around playing here? Don't you have better things to do, too?

If 9/11 truth isn't done and burried, why are you making love to your girl and going to sleep and going to work and having dinner and playing ball with the kid and posting on forums? Isn't there a travesty of justice to be righted?Aren't there 3,000 murders to be avenged? What kind of cold-hearted person are you?



Are you saying that the US government are also drunks?

Yes. (http://www.topnews.in/uploads/george-bush2.jpg)


And getting back to the OP....

"So, what are you doing Friday night?"

[Brainache]

So the only Truther with questions for KSM is ScepticalCriticalGuy?

Come on Jane, I know you could do better than his "19 drunks" nonsense...

[PhantomWolf]

Slips into Fannatical Muslim mode.

On cross-examination, I'd ask:

"Hey, KSM, so you thought you COULD get away with it. Nice plan. Kudos.

Of course, what part of the plan was vulnerable to failure? We knew that our operatives were for the most part unheard ofs, recruited because they had no known links to us and had been involved in none of our other operations. As long as they kept their noses clean they would be untouched in the US, protected by your Consitiution. We knew they could get onto the planes with simple knives because your security is lax and allowed those sort of weapons onboard. We knew that the flight crews would surrender their plane without a fight because they are told to do so. We knew your defences would be slow to react because your military would not be expecting four simultaneous attacks and would be unable to find the planes fast enough. What part do you find so hard to understand?

But, did you also think the radical muslim world would gain from it? Did you think YOU would gain from it?

Of course we gained from it. The Islamic World is seing the truth of the Great Satan right now. They see the murders of their brothers and sisters and children in Afghanistan and Iraq. They turn from working with the US to working against you. They become more and more radical by the day. Soon there will only be those that are willing to stand with us and fight for Allah and Freedom from the Tyranny of the west, and those weaklings that are willing to be servants to the Great Satan. Then we who stand strong with Allah and follow the words of his Prophet, all glory to him, will crush those who would be slaves and free our lands from the Western yoke forever, returning our lands once more to the law and glory of God.

Did you think you would be able to, once again, outsmart the mighty US military machine and walk away? Did you think that the US would NOT invade a few countries because of your actions?

You truely know so little. It is often said, never let your enemy choose the battlefield. We can only hurt the US on his homeground, we can't win. No we needed you to invade our territory, to bring yourselvs to us, and you did just that. Afghanistan will be the graveyard of your soldiers, just as it was for the the Soviets and the British before them. We know the land, we can live there, you will die there. And once we have killed your soildiers and feed their flesh to our dogs, the Great Satan will run home and hide like it always does, like it did in Korea, like it did in Veitnam, like it did in Somelia, like it is doing in Iraq. Then we will have defeated both "super-powers" and the world will know that neither Communism nor Capitalism are the true way, that the True way is Islam and by Allah's Laws. I should also thank you for giving us Iraq. You removed a secular ruleship and now we have the makings of an Islam Government and a strong foothold in the country, we could never have done this without you.

[KDLarsen]

I'd personally like to hear how the 9/11 attacks were planned in relation to the Millenium attacks plot. Were the 9/11 attacks a backup plan, or were they supposed to be the finishing touch?

[Homeland Insurgency]

Given that the Truthers won't lift a finger to stop this heinous miscarriage of justice...(do I really need a sarcasm smiley here?), I'd like to know what questions they would put to KSM if they were Lawyers and they had him on the stand in front of them. Surely a bit of clever cross examination could blow the lid off the whole charade.

There you go Truthy types: Your witness...

Speaking of fingers I might ask to see all of his.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/EC06Df04.html

Then I'd ask for some ID. Like his Al Qaeda membership card or maybe a toe tag.

And is he really from Pakistan? Hmmff.. go figure. Another so-called US partner in the war on terror in on 9/11 too.

Can you say two-faced? Double maybe?

BTW has anyone seen any pictures of him lately?

[dtugg]

And is he really from Pakistan? Hmmff.. go figure. Another so-called US partner in the war on terror in on 9/11 too.


No he is not from Pakistan although he was captured there by the ISI. Shows how much you know about this. Nothing.

[Homeland Insurgency]

No he is not from Pakistan although he was captured there by the ISI. Shows how much you know about this. Nothing.

I was referring to the claim in the article I linked to that you apparently didn't bother to read. Why should you? You have your faith.

So what is he according to your faith?

[dtugg]

I was referring to the claim in the article I linked to that you apparently didn't bother to read. Why should you? You have your faith.

So what is he according to your faith?

Most sources state he was born in Kuwait. And he was definitely raised there.

[Homeland Insurgency]

Most sources state he was born in Kuwait. And he was definitely raised there.

So is Kuwait considered a hotbed in the war on terror dtugg?

[dtugg]

So is Kuwait considered a hotbed in the war on terror dtugg?

No. And I have no idea what your point even is. An international terrorist that pulled off 9/11 happened to be born in Kuwait over 40 years ago, therefore the War of Terror should be focused there? Please. I guess we should have invaded Saudi Arabia too since that is where Osama and most of the hijackers were born.

[Homeland Insurgency]

No. And I have no idea what your point even is. An international terrorist that pulled off 9/11 happened to be born in Kuwait over 40 years ago, therefore the War of Terror should be focused there? Please. I guess we should have invaded Saudi Arabia too since that is where Osama and most of the hijackers were born.

No you're right. We should have invaded Iraq. How did that go? Did we win yet? The war on terror that is.

So the so-called perps are Saudis, I think Syrian, and now Kuwaiti, and we attacked Iraq?

Hmmm the whole thing seems kind of convenient. They get to be Martyrs and Dubya gets his guilty pleas on 9/11 before Guantanamo Bay and the tribunals are shutdown. But you debunkers love convenient circumstances when it comes to 9/11 though don't ya?

And you never answered. Where's the last KSM photo? Did he have all his digits? Weekend at Khalidi's?

[parky76]

So the so-called perps are Saudis, I think Syrian, and now Kuwaiti, and we attacked Iraq?


ah...so the truthers would have been happier if we attacked Saudi Arabia instead??

interesting.

Attention everyone!!!! We have a new anti-terror strategy. From now on, we can only attack those nations from where the terrorists were born....NOT where they were trained or where their command and control apparatus is located.

[dtugg]

No you're right. We should have invaded Iraq. How did that go? Did we win yet? The war on terror that is.

So the so-called perps are Saudis, I think Syrian, and now Kuwaiti, and we attacked Iraq?

Hmmm the whole thing seems kind of convenient. They get to be Martyrs and Dubya gets his guilty pleas on 9/11 before Guantanamo Bay and the tribunals are shutdown. But you debunkers love convenient circumstances when it comes to 9/11 though don't ya?

And you never answered. Where's the last KSM photo? Did he have all his digits? Weekend at Khalidi's?


I didn't decide to invade Iraq and I don't think it was a good idea.

Doesn't look to me like there is going to be any convictions before Bush is out of office and they don't get to be martyrs unless they actually did it.

Last picture I have seen of him was right after his capture, although I don't know if there have been any released after that. I have no idea about his digits. You seem to be one of the idiots who believes that it isn't really him, because that's the only way you can keep up your fantasy. I mean if KSM says he did it, much harder for you twoofers to pretend it was really Dick Cheney. Well, I guess we'll see what happens with the trials. Something tells me that your wish of it not being him won't come true.

[HyJinX]

Wow...by Homland's logic, we should attack ourselves since John Walker Lindh was an American trained in an Afghanistan terrorist camp.

Is that what you're saying HI?

[parky76]

George Bush, the mastermind of 9-11, is from New Hampshire. Should we bomb Kennebunkport?

Only on a day that the wind is blowing south. I love Portland.

[Dr Adequate]

No you're right. We should have invaded Iraq. How did that go? Did we win yet? The war on terror that is.

So the so-called perps are Saudis, I think Syrian, and now Kuwaiti, and we attacked Iraq?

Hmmm the whole thing seems kind of convenient. Really? To you it seems convenient that all the "so so-called perps" are Saudis, Syrians, Kuwaitis, when clearly Bush and his pals were looking for any excuse to invade Iraq?

Would it not have been a teensy bit more convenient if at least one or two of the "so-called perps" were Iraqis?

Oh, and welcome to Stundieville.

[Smackety]

"KSM, what would you like to say to the 911 Truth club that thinks you are innocent, that in fact...well...that the real perps are...umm...anyway, those people?"

[Homeland Insurgency]

ah...so the truthers would have been happier if we attacked Saudi Arabia instead??

interesting.

Attention everyone!!!! We have a new anti-terror strategy. From now on, we can only attack those nations from where the terrorists were born....NOT where they were trained or where their command and control apparatus is located.

Which 9/11 terrorists trained in Iraq?

[Homeland Insurgency]

Really? To you it seems convenient that all the "so so-called perps" are Saudis, Syrians, Kuwaitis, when clearly Bush and his pals were looking for any excuse to invade Iraq?

No not really. Learn to read.

Would it not have been a teensy bit more convenient if at least one or two of the "so-called perps" were Iraqis?

Apparently they didn't need any from Iraq to attack Iraq.

[Dr Adequate]

No not really. Learn to read. Sadly, I can only read English, not your mind, and can comment only on the weird things you wrote and not on the doubtless weirder things in your head.

Apparently they didn't need any from Iraq to attack Iraq. However, it seems that in Truther Fantasy Land, they did need Saudi terrorists to attack Iraq.

[RedIbis]

George Bush, the mastermind of 9-11, is from New Hampshire. Should we bomb Kennebunkport?

Only on a day that the wind is blowing south. I love Portland.

It sounds as if you might have learned your geography from George Bush and/or presidential history.

[Smackety]

No not really. Learn to read.



Apparently they didn't need any from Iraq to attack Iraq.

Classic. Keep diggin!

[fuelair]

Did you put the bomp in the bomp-a-bomp-a-bomp?
IIRC, that's bomp-sha-bomp-sha-bomp (not to denigrate ram-a-lam-a-ding-dong).

[GStan]

IIRC, that's bomp-sha-bomp-sha-bomp (not to denigrate ram-a-lam-a-ding-dong).

in my head, its the bomp-ba-domp-be-domp....but i'm sure i'm wrong

ETA: crap, i was way off

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Put_the_Bomp_(song)

[JimBenArm]

I'd ask him, "Is that a packet of Certs in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?"

[fuelair]

IIRC, that's bomp-sha-bomp-sha-bomp (not to denigrate ram-a-lam-a-ding-dong).
Drat!! I was wrong!! It's bop that has the sha!!

[PhantomWolf]

Apparently they didn't need any from Iraq to attack Iraq.

Interestingly 9/11 was not used as a reason to invade Iraq, the claim was that they had broken the agreement that had seen the suspension of the '91 Gulf War in that they were in posession of chemical WMDs, rockets which had a range beyond that they were allowed, and were trying to create bigger WMDs including going nuclear. Under such violationsm Bush believed that the US and UK could legitimately invade to use force to make Iraq obey the agreement. They did use the spectre of 9/11 with the idea that if Iraq developed nuclear weapons they could conceviably give them to Terrorists to do a 9/11 style attack, but there was never any evidence of Iraq being involved in 9/11 (despite a few attempts at it.)

Since 9/11 wasn't the excuse to invade Iraq, but rather the excuse to invade a dustbowl called Afghanistan, and since many analysists and others think Bush would have gone into Iraq anyway, regardless of 9/11 (he just needed half an excuse) and that the Afghani War has been an impediment to that mission... then, and I knoiw this is a big question, But:

Why would you create a terroist attack that then is used as an excuse to invade a different country from the one you want to attack, then have to create an entire new pretence to attack the one you really wanted because you can't find any links between your real target and the attack you created in the first place. A new pretence that you then fail to prove resulting in your popularity dropping from in the 80% range to under 30%, your country becoming highly hated by the rest of the world, and finally meaning that you hand over total control of all three branches of Government to your opposition, who's first order of business is going to be to withdraw all the troops you just spend five years placing in your target country?

I mean does that honestly make sense to you when they could have just as easily claimed the hijackers were Iraqi commandos, invaded Iraqi, found "evidence" of the "plotting and training", and even a few barrels of chemical weapons under one of Saddam's pillows?

Do you honestly think that your shadowy NWO world controllers are so stupid that they dream up twisted and convoluted schemes that make no sense to see if the sheeple are awake enough to believe the totally absurd? Trying thinking half rationally for a moment, you might realise that your beliefs make absolutely zero amount of sense.

[Jonnyclueless]

Phantom, just to add, Clinton himself stated that he had plans to invade Iraq & Afghan and the only reason he didn't go was because he ran out of time.

Clearly many people don't feel that being against the war in Iraq is good enough and have to use these 9/11 conspiracies to somehow justify their political beliefs or somehow mislead others into sharing theirs.

[Homeland Insurgency]

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0314/p02s01-woiq.htm
The impact of Bush linking 9/11 and Iraq

http://www.newmediamusings.com/2004/01/former_cabinet_.html
Former Cabinet member: Bush used 9/11 as pretext for war

http://hnn.us/articles/6824.html
How the Bush Administration Used 9-11 to Advance Its Agenda

Now after you all study up let me know when one of you has a recent photo of KSM. Will ya? And will his children be there at the trial or are they still being tortured?

[Alt+F4]

And will his children be there at the trial or are they still being tortured?

Any evidence they were tortured?

Ever think about the eight children who were murdered on 9/11 due to the actions of KSM?

[Homeland Insurgency]

Any evidence they were tortured?

Ever think about the eight children who were murdered on 9/11 due to the actions of KSM?

What were KSM's actions on 9/11? And where's your evidence of that?

[PhantomWolf]

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0314/p02s01-woiq.htm
The impact of Bush linking 9/11 and Iraq

http://www.newmediamusings.com/2004/01/former_cabinet_.html
Former Cabinet member: Bush used 9/11 as pretext for war

http://hnn.us/articles/6824.html
How the Bush Administration Used 9-11 to Advance Its Agenda

Now after you all study up let me know when one of you has a recent photo of KSM. Will ya? And will his children be there at the trial or are they still being tortured?

So your evidence that 9/11 and Iraq are linked are that:

1) Americans are stupid and believe there has to be a link if you use them in the same paragraph despite the numerous news stories and commetaries about there being no link.

2) That, big surprise here, Bush wanted to go into Iraq from step one. Of course there was the 2 little things of wanting to finish daddy's war and pay back for Saddam's attempted assassination of daddy, but hey why not over look those or that most of us were aware that Bush was going into Iraq with out without an excuse. 9/11 got in his way because he had to deal with Afghanistan first. If 9/11 hadn't happened, he'd still have invaded Iraq, and perhaps without the Afghanistan War done a better job. Your link says nothing we weren't aware of, and doesn't nothing to bolster the claim 9/11 was created to allow them to go into Iraq. In fact your first two links show that if 9/11 really was an inside job, they'd have been better off claiming Iraqis did it.

3) Again shows the ability to prove Americans are stupid, in this case from the manipulation master himself, Micheal Moore, who in one movie can create more misconceptions and half truths than Bush did in an entire term.

Yeah, so far not that impressed.

[PhantomWolf]

What were KSM's actions on 9/11? And where's your evidence of that?

KSM himself claimed responsibility for the planning and operations on Arab TV Al Jezeria well before he was captured.

[Homeland Insurgency]

KSM himself claimed responsibility for the planning and operations on Arab TV Al Jezeria well before he was captured.

On TV? LOL Is that when he also claimed to be in on a plot to kill President Carter or was it Roosevelt? Or am I confusing his hunger for fame with his torture induced tales?

I that some solid evidence there boy. Is that what you call debunking?

And where are his children? They're not hanging by their toes somewhere are they?

[PhantomWolf]

On TV? LOL Is that when he also claimed to be in on a plot to kill President Carter or was it Roosevelt? Or am I confusing his hunger for fame with his torture induced tales?

I that some solid evidence there boy. Is that what you call debunking?

And where are his children? They're not hanging by their toes somewhere are they?

Are you honestly going to feint ignorance about his 2002 interview with Yosri Fouda?

[dtugg]

Are you honestly going to feint ignorance about his 2002 interview with Yosri Fouda?

Of course he is. It makes his fantasy so much more unlikely.

[Homeland Insurgency]

Are you honestly going to feint ignorance about his 2002 interview with Yosri Fouda?


March 18, 2007
Unravelling the confessions of the 9/11 chief
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is finally talking to his US captors.Yosri Fouda, the only journalist ever to interview him, knows why

So he seems to be taking responsibility for some outrages he might not have perpetrated, while keeping quiet about ones that suggest his hand. I think he has blurred the line between what he did and what he was hoping or plotting to do.

He wants to take the credit for high-profile attacks because he is a pragmatist, a power-hungry mastermind, and realises his time is up; he might as well gain sympathy as an ideological hero.

Like I said before. Vicarious

[dtugg]

So you aren't even going to link that article? And, apparently, you take somebody's unfounded opinion as fact as long as it lines up with your ridiculous fantasy.

[Homeland Insurgency]

So you aren't even going to link that article? And, apparently, you take somebody's unfounded opinion as fact as long as it lines up with your ridiculous fantasy.

You could have just googled the title.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1529879.ece

As for his "unfounded opinion" it was PhantomWolf who pointed to Yosri Fouda as proof of something.

[dtugg]

You could have just googled the title.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1529879.ece

As for his "unfounded opinion" it was PhantomWolf who pointed to Yosri Fouda as proof of something.

Oh, so Fouda was the one that actually wrote that article. Does he share your fantasy that KSM made the whole thing up?

[DGM]

Oh, so Fouda was the one that actually wrote that article. Does he share your fantasy that KSM made the whole thing up?
I think he didn't really read the whole article (or his reading comprehension is really bad)

[stateofgrace]

On TV? LOL Is that when he also claimed to be in on a plot to kill President Carter or was it Roosevelt? Or am I confusing his hunger for fame with his torture induced tales?

I that some solid evidence there boy. Is that what you call debunking?

And where are his children? They're not hanging by their toes somewhere are they?

So you will be demanding his immediate release?

You will be taking your outrage at the trial of this guy to the streets, right?

Yeah, sure you will.

[Alt+F4]

What were KSM's actions on 9/11? And where's your evidence of that?

You think KSM is innocent? He's facing the death penalty you know. What are you doing about it, I mean besides posting on the Internet?