Miss me? (smiles)

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Long time, no type. Been 484 days to be exact. Hope all are doing well.

To update those that aren't aware of who I am. I am going to start from the beginning. I am sure there are still those in here, that will attack my claim. So, I'd like to tell you my story first.

Here goes...

I believe I have discovered a "PROCESS", that allows any idividual with a ordinary computer cam, to see "FACES", that are normally unseen with any known device, that we know of today.

To Discuss this a little further and deeper...

Concerning the "PROCESS".
To be specific. It is the digital process/attributes that happen when a picture is taken with a digital cam and transferred to a computer monitor. If you take a ordianary computer cam. With the right lightning, monitor display settings and backround conditions, all with the right adjustments (determined I believe according to ones own good or poor eye sight)... you will see "FACES" in the shades of...(usually)...blue, green or brown.

Now most who argue with me, either say one of two things. I don't see anything or It is just some sort of distortion.
To you who don't see. I say, adjust your monitors brightness button, you'll see them. To the ones who say distortion.
I say...
"I would agree with you except for one thing".
"THE "RESULTS/FACES" REPEATS ITS SELF OVER AND OVER DURING A LIVE BROADCAST."
In other words when you use a cam on the net, normally your doing it 1 of 2 ways. Either by a timeing setting (meaning your cam is broadcasting a picture every so many seconds, according to what you set it).....or.....live, which varies because of dialup and cable...one is faster then the other.

So what I am saying here is......It is impossible for a process that repeats itself ***"EACH TIME"***with the ***"SAME RESULTS"***NOT TO BE REAL.

IF THE ********FINDING**********DIDN'T **REPEAPT** ITSELF, I WOULD AGREE....THAT THERE IS NOTHING TO IT. BUT THAT IS **N**O**T** THE CASE.

Concerning the FACES...
You know how artist's use the term Mediums, meaning the different materials being used?
Its kinda the same way with the faces....
I find there are 3 different mediums (so to speak).
1 in the creamy shades. usually easy to spot sooner.
2 in the more fully focused shades (shades meaning different tones of color)...usually easy to find.
3 in a pure white static against a perfectly clear back round...rarer to find.

...."but regradless which medium you find them in"...

ONE THING REMAINS A CONSTANT NO MATTER WHAT.
YOU CAN SEE THEIR MOUTH AND EYE SOCKETS AND WHEN THIS IS FOUND IN A REPEATED ENVIROMENT OF WATCHING THEM.....IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY...."THERES NOTHING THERE".

"Most of the time when you find them you will see more then just the eye sockets and mouth socket.......
Many of them have, head structure, facial features and even ....expressions.
THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!! DONT YOU THINK I KNOW THAT!!!!!!

YET IT REPEATS ITSELF OVER AND OVER AGAIN WITH SAME RESULTS.

I Can't prove what the faces are ( I will keep my opinion to mysef).

But I can show that this is a repeating process anytime and anywhere.

I submitted to this million dollar challange 2x's now and ignored on each account.
Remember I am not trying to prove what they are.........
Just that they are.<<<<<<<<big difference.

I am back because I want this to goto court.
I don't believe this foundation will ever part with their money. It ends everything with them...they don't want that.

I want a court to settle this and I guess you could say...in a way...I am recruiting witnesses and making attempts to build a court case against the predjuideces of this foundation for not letting me have my chance of the challenge.

I'd rather have a jury then them anyway.

The money is mine randi....cough up.
I may never prove to anyone what those faces are.

but one dam thing is for sure......


THEY ARE.



Lyndale.



If you click on my profile and then my homepage...you'll find a better understanding of all that I just babbled about...

oh...I am telling you now...

I will only respond to the serious replies....I already know what you think of me...so save it.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

I can show mulitple pictures in a time line sequence producing results consecutively. (excuse spelling and grammer...I know I suck)

or you can goto spotlife.com and just browse their site and find shows yourselves to find the faces.

They're not hard to find.

Lyndale

[Starrman]

I see faces on my monitor and TV all the time too! The other night I saw one that looked just like Chuch Norris.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Under certain circumstances you can see faces in clouds and other patterns.

This is different. It's not the same thing happening.

Ever see one of those pictures where when you stood up close to it ...you saw nothing? and then when you backed away you saw what was meant to be seen?...."sometimes" its just like that and sometimes its "not".


Say what you will....fact is....


They are.

Lyndale

[tamiO]

paging Dr De_Bunko

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by tamiO
paging Dr De_Bunko



Hard to believe I know, but your eyes aren't playing tricks.
Those faces are real.

Like I said.

I'll never prove what they are....but one dam thing is for sure...
they are.


and that I can prove in Court.;)

[Colloden]

Hello ICAN, long time no see. :D
The image on your web page is not very clear, do you have any others ?

[LightPiercingDarkness]

I have more pictures.

but why wait?

Just goto spotlife.com

They're not hard to find.

There you can see them for yourselves..reproducing the same results over and over again.

They're real people.........million or no million.

Lyndale

[SFB]

I like the following: "predjuideces of this foundation." Faces? Do they live without the rest of their body?

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by SFB
I like the following: "predjuideces of this foundation." Faces? Do they live without the rest of their body?


...dont know why I am even bothering to reply.

Bodys?


Never seen one.



From my opinion of what they are.......what purpose would it serve to have a body.
Maybe all they need is what you see?

??

Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

I just read about the Yellow bambo thing....lol....and He wouldn't let me test?

Imagine what He must of wrote when He asked to test.



Randi is scared of loosing the money. Imagine not being able to live off all that interest no more....MMMM guess I wouldn't won't to give it up either.


To bad.

Beware James Randi...one day I will have my day of court with you.
Promise.

Lyndale.

[Beleth]

You don't need a computer to capture these. An ordinary camcorder aimed at a TV set which is displaying the image the camcorder is recording will generate this same kind of feedback loop.

Do a Google search on "video IDT".

The work by Claus Scrieber (http://www.worlditc.org/h_08_schreiber.htm) is pretty - one is tempted to say too - impressive. Work done on computers (like this one (http://perso.club-internet.fr/pjouini/pagecomputerschemagb.html)) are not so impressive.

(Edited because I asked a question that was already answered.)

Oh, and yes, your images on spotlife.com are hard to find. I searched for "ghost", "face", "lightpiercingdarkness", and "lyndale", all with no luck. Care to give us a hint as to what to enter for our search string?

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by Beleth
You don't need a computer to capture these. An ordinary camcorder aimed at a TV set which is displaying the image the camcorder is recording will generate this same kind of feedback loop.

Do a Google search on "video IDT".

The work by Claus Scrieber (http://www.worlditc.org/h_08_schreiber.htm) is pretty - one is tempted to say too - impressive. Work done on computers (like this one (http://perso.club-internet.fr/pjouini/pagecomputerschemagb.html)) are not so impressive.


(Edited because I asked a question that was already answered.)


the same thing.

This is not a "feed back loop".

Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

I've seen these faces on "LIVE VIDEO" in a full 3D form.

They hold their form.
There is no structure loss.
I've seen them moving aound and holding they're form also.

Lyndale

[BigHugs]

Icanfeelnostalgicaboutcamdemons

for the newer folks:

http://web.archive.org/web/20020215034659/home.talkcity.com/commercest/lyndalequesenberry/
http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lightpiercingthedark/lst?.dir=/Yahoo!+Photo+Album&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/

welcome back, dude.

[Beleth]

I think you replied at the same time I was editing my last post.

I can't find your images on spotlife.com. Can you provide a good search string for them?

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by BigHugs
Icanfeelnostalgicaboutcamdemons

for the newer folks:

http://web.archive.org/web/20020215034659/home.talkcity.com/commercest/lyndalequesenberry/
http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lightpiercingthedark/lst?.dir=/Yahoo!+Photo+Album&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/

welcome back, dude.


I thought those sites had been lost.

Laughing.

Anyway. Ya great to be back.
I came back for my money (smiles).

In time there will be a court case over this sooner or later.

Lyndale

[komencanto]

I´m not sure what you are on about. I have taken a look at that picture and can´t see anything resembling any human body part, depite playing around with my monitor.

http://www.geocities.com/lightpiercingthedark/The_Fallen_of_Heaven.html

Furthermore, I´m pretty sure that it´s impossible to sue Randi for the money. Of course I don´t know the full story. Have you done the full test?

In any case, estoy absoultely sure that that photo on your webpage won´t earn you a cent of the prize =)

Nothing there strange in this image at all:

[LFTKBS]

Okay, I'm looking at those pictures and I don't see anything.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by komencanto
I´m not sure what you are on about. I have taken a look at that picture and can´t see anything resembling any human body part, depite playing around with my monitor.

http://www.geocities.com/lightpiercingthedark/The_Fallen_of_Heaven.html

Furthermore, I´m pretty sure that it´s impossible to sue Randi for the money. Of course I don´t know the full story. Have you done the full test?

In any case, estoy absoultely sure that that photo on your webpage won´t earn you a cent of the prize =)

Nothing there strange in this image at all:

I am sorry you dont see.

I have submitted twice and done so by all the requirements.

I will now seek a more legal route.

I don't have to prove what they are.

Just that they are.

...and there are more that see them then those that don't.

...and it won't be by "1" picture as you put it.

smiles.

Lyndale

[Yahweh]

Ummmm... Mr. LightPiercingDarkness...

I hate to break it to you, but what are seeing in your pictures are not demons.

In fact, after viewing this image from your website:
http://www.geocities.com/lightpiercingthedark/loch_1.jpg

I've concluded that you are simply the victim of ones own imagination. Humans have a natural tendency to find "patterns", even when the patterns were undeliberate (which is why you can pick out a bunny in the clouds... or see Constellations).

This might be a hasty first impression, but the image I've linked is startling familiar to me. Not the image itself, but the extraneous scrutiny. It reminds me of the movie "A Beautiful Mind". The John Nash character would read magazines, and inside his head he would find "secret messages" from the Soviets. Of course, there were no such messages, its something like Unrelational Indirect Cognitive Processing syndrome (I know that isnt the name, I seem to have forgotten what I read from those book on John Nash). If the delusion is severe enough to where it interferes with your daily life, you might be a candidate for schizophrenia.

Your inner convictions tell you that you actually see demons, but I'm sure inside your head you have you own little voice that tells you on occasion that the things you see arent real.

If you honestly do think you see these things, I recommend you go visit a psychiatrist. She'll prescribe you on some nice antipsychotics (most likely a drug called "Respirtol", something stronger if you're case is severe enough). The antipsychotic drugs will really lift the burden of delusion...

[Beleth]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
I don't have to prove what they are.

Just that they are.... and that they are paranormal.

You know there's a special part of our brain that's solely dedicated to recognizing faces, right? And that it can make us see faces where there actually aren't any? Like, oh, here:

http://www.necaibew970.com/images/outlet.jpg

That's what I see in your photos. Random static that the face-recognizing part of my brain interprets as a face but that the rest of my brain knows isn't.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

I think, people like you remind me of a old saying.



"cut of your nose to dispite your face".


Amazing.

I can't make no one believe this or that.

I know for a fact though when a process repeats its self over and over again reproducing the same results over and over again........it aint coincedence. It ain't random patters. It is not a clould image thing either.

Wake up people.

Well I think that about covers it.

We've covered all the name callings (I think).
And the drug thing
And the cloud thing.

I'll only respond now to new attacks or new Ideas.
No repeats please.


Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Heres a link that will take you to a few more of the photos, that I copied and saved.

Look carefully in the shades of blue, green and brown.

In some of them you see facial features and expressions.


http://photos.yahoo.com/lightpiercingthedark


I have other pictures too and video.

The video will only be seen in court if necessary.

Lyndale

[Zep]

I think he means all the smilies on the left, folks...

[Chanileslie]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness



...dont know why I am even bothering to reply.

Bodys?


Never seen one.



From my opinion of what they are.......what purpose would it serve to have a body.
Maybe all they need is what you see?

??

Lyndale

After viewing your site, I would have to say that you are finding patterns. The human mind is wired to look for patterns in rather meaningless things, such as bunnies, pirate ships, faces, ect. in clouds, and that is what it appear that you are seeing here. Yes, they will show up everytime you look at a pizilated picture, and you will probably interpret them as faces, but you are just finding patterns. When I was a child, we had wallpaper in our bathroom with a large floral pattern on it, and it would amuse me while in the bathroom to count the 'faces' I saw in the pattern to the point that I rarely 'saw' the flowers, but just the faces.

[Beleth]

Do you have any images that aren't in JPEG format? GIF or even bitmap would be better. JPEGs have a lot of loss to them that make the pictures harder to decipher.

For what it's worth, I do indeed see faces in some of your circles. There's a great one, with eyebrows and a sneer and everything, in the circle at about (115, 95), about a third of the way down and a third of the way from the left, on this image.
http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lightpiercingthedark/vwp?.dir=/Yahoo!+Photo+Album&.dnm=picture+in+basement...showing+circles.jpg&.view=t

But that face, and all the others I can see, are the distorted, cartoony faces I have come to expect from my face-recognition sub-processor.

That your demonstration is repeatable is not a refutation of this face-recognition argument.

[Prolix]

Very convincing.

But I'm a little worried that this phenomenon is so real that it may not qualify as paranormal enough to win the prize. Maybe a tort jury would command Randi to give you the money 'tho. If I participate in funding the tort would you assign to me a proportionate part of the winnings? I propose that I participate 10%. If the outlay for court costs is too burdensome for you - it costs about $75 in my jurisdiction to file a suit - perhaps others will participate like me.

I do suggest that you keep some interest yourself, so that others will know that you are at least a little willing to put your own money where your mouth is. Just as I guess Randi has at least some of his own money in the prize.

[LeFevre]

So have you seen Nesse ICAN? Still an insane freak I see. . .

[hal bidlack]

This thread has been reported for making legal threats as a form of harrassment. I do not find any posts in this thread to be violations of the rules. Silly, yes.

[Pyrrho]

Pareidolia

http://thefolklorist.com/pareidolia.htm

http://thefolklorist.com/pareidolia_def.htm

The site features an extensive collection of images.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
I know for a fact though when a process repeats its self over and over again reproducing the same results over and over again........it aint coincedence. It ain't random patters. It is not a clould image thing either.

Do you know how digital imaging works?

Do you know of the "lossiness", "striations", "equalizing", or "saturating" effect attributed to JPEG encoded images? That's where all the color variations come from, and that's why all your "proof" is repeatable. However, you are mistaking the evidence for 90% Quality JPEG encoding for evidence of demons.

You are trying to turn the completely unremarkable into something supernatural.

[Yahweh]

Yahweh really needs to clean his bedroom...

[Peter Jenkins]

Pareidolia: Folks, Its been explained to LightPiercingDarkness (ICan...) many, many times. Just FYI:
ICan originally came here with pictures from an internet site showing underwater scenes at Loch Ness. First of all, he passed these off as his own work.
Later we were entertained with grainy digital snaps of ICan....'s basement walls. These were crawling with pictures of demons (yes, before you ask, it has been mentioned to ICan... that these could be aliens, middle earthers, goblins ar whatever. He prefers 'Demons'). Funnily enough, you have to completely distort your screen settings/saturation/contrast to get the 'best' view of these Demons.
Now that ICan.. has started using his own pictures instead of stealing images from the Loch Ness camera, He thinks that he is entitled to the $1 million dollar prize.
ICan.... cannot be reasoned with,
ICan.... does not understand digital imagining
ICan.... is not a troll per se, He is more like a deluded woo woo with a stubborn mind set.
As long as you aren't too serious, he can be mildy entertaining.
Have Fun
Peter

[The Don]

Yahweh really needs to clean his bedroom... [/B]

No kidding, with a room like that there's no way you're going to get laid

[CFLarsen]

Hello there, Lyndale Quesenberry.

Remember me? Did you miss me?

Do you want to go over this, again? I'm ready.

Are you?

[UnrepentantSinner]

I see feces on my monitor, does that mean anything?

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner
I see feces on my monitor, does that mean anything?

Too much ExLax.

[TheBoyPaj]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
I'll only respond now to new attacks or new Ideas.
No repeats please.


Lyndale

Hello Lyndale. I've never responded to you before and I don't think anyone has asked this yet.

When you claim that these are "faces", are you specifically meaning that they are images of someone's face (whether living or dead)?

Or are you happy with the assessment that they are simply a collection of shadows which has a basic form of a face?

If it is the former, then there is nothing paranormal involved and so it falls outside of the remit of the Randi challenge. After all, this is a face:

. .
-

but it is not paranormal and proving that it looks like a face won't win you a million.

If you are claiming that they are more significant than that, how exactly are you going to prove that in court? If you don't know what they are, how can you convince a judge that they are paranormal?

[UnrepentantSinner]

Originally posted by CFLarsen
Too much ExLax.

That was s***y of you. Not as s***y has IcanPostmessagesAslyndale's claims, but close. ;)

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Have you ever been chocked with the truth?

Wondering...how does it feel?

I know digital photography.

I know the cloud thing.

I know the pareidolia thing.

I understand and can even appreciate your sympothy and kindness when you refer me to a doctor and seek med's (smiles).

I understand that there are some people who would rather this not be true.

I understand no one wants change. We get into a comfort thing that feels good and dam the one that 'changes it.

I understand that all of this sounds totally nuts.

I understand that no one cares that I breath.

I understand that only in court will I 'even have a chance against this foundation.

I understand...

...but that dont change the 'odds and the results of what is happening.

Lyndale

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
I'll only respond now to new attacks or new Ideas.
No repeats please.

Why? You merely repeat your old claims, so why shouldn't we repeat the arguments? You haven't been able to show that you are right yet.

You think the old arguments against your claim are going to disappear?

Nice try, but no cigar.

[Colloden]

Does ICAN remind anyone else of Bethke ?
Just a random thought. :D

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by CFLarsen


Why? You merely repeat your old claims, so why shouldn't we repeat the arguments? You haven't been able to show that you are right yet.

You think the old arguments against your claim are going to disappear?

Nice try, but no cigar.


"...been able to show...". <this, is a matter of opinion.

Interesting the word "able".

I wonder, when is truth, apparent?

If you heard them, would it make a difference?

How many "apparent" varibles does it take to make one "rub there chin and say...mmm?


wake up.

Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by Colloden
Does ICAN remind anyone else of Bethke ?
Just a random thought. :D



Bearing the burden that I already have is "enough".

Don't mix me up with some other nut....k?


Lyndale

[LFTKBS]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
wake up.

I don't think I've been this direct on the board before, but it appears that you are 100% batsh*t insane, and that you need to be heavily medicated if you really believe that these compression artifacts are demons.

Why would these supernatural faces only be capturable in a JPEG and not, say, a TIFF? Why am I even asking you this? It's not like you have any idea what's happening. You shouldn't use computers. You shouldn't have contact with other people. You are a lunatic.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

...(just my opinion of course), that one of the obstacles of this is the simplicity of it.
Be a slap agianst this foundation to be so easily done in by...uh?
Right in front of us all this time.
Wish I was at liberty to show you some of the amazing videos I have (forget it, I have other routes I will use these for).

I'll tell you about one of the broadcast I saw on live feed once...

I was at spotlife.com and was watching a "live" (delayed of course) broadcast of a students dorm room.

The reception was good. There was no apparent static or interferrence of anything out of the norm.

The room was square, probably 10x12 maybe. In one corner was a bunk bed and I believe there was a dresser and a tv or something on it. I am telling you the description of the room so you'll understand it wasn't a room of clutter.
Anyway, there was no one in the room when I signed on, then it happened, about 3-4 ft away from and about 6ft high off the ground...there was this like invisible barrier ( how do i know this? because of what happened next) I know this is going to sound stupid and nuts...but there all of the sudden was one of these heads. Do you remember that head in one of the poltergiests movies where that guy was pulling on that rope and that head came out with the fire in the mouth and eye sockets?
Well the shape of what I saw at that moment was the same "shape" of that head in that movie. It was like moving forward thrue this barrier...as it moved forward...you could see "perfectly in detail" this head with this white like lightening defineing the space that it was "comming" from. When it stopped moving forward, it turned to the door and then back again and looked toward the computer (during all this time, opening and closing its mouth and eyes sockets). When it looked my way..all of the sudden I heard this piercing scream, needless to say. I ripped of the head set and turned of the computer, that was the first one that I saw in this type of format. These are the hardest to fine, but not impossible.
This is what I was referring to when I was first talking about different mediums in the beginning of this thread.

..anyway...just sharing.

Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by LFTKBS


I don't think I've been this direct on the board before, but it appears that you are 100% batsh*t insane, and that you need to be heavily medicated if you really believe that these compression artifacts are demons.

Why would these supernatural faces only be capturable in a JPEG and not, say, a TIFF? Why am I even asking you this? It's not like you have any idea what's happening. You shouldn't use computers. You shouldn't have contact with other people. You are a lunatic.



This is the CLASSIC...I'll call you a nut and find out more information stunt.


k...

Why in this format and not the other? Who knows? It's not like theres a rule book that this should work anyway, is it?

And... I won't argue my "opinion" of what "I" think they are.

and about calling me a nut?

smiles


Lyndale

[komencanto]

Strangely enough I did see some catoonish faces in one of the other pictures. Not as surprising as the faces and animals I often see in the shadows of my room at night, or in my crumpled clothes in the dark. It´s not as good either as that satan in the clouds of the two towers explosion. Hehe, that ones pretty sweet.

You have to realize man, we all see these things, usually in very dark or very light shapes with random lines and dots around. All it takes is a line and 2 dots and there you have you face illusion. If you look hard enough at that static it´s hardly surprising you´ll see something of that sort.

Chill out man and try to see things from our perspective. Your images are perfectly explainable.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by komencanto
Strangely enough I did see some catoonish faces in one of the other pictures. Not as surprising as the faces and animals I often see in the shadows of my room at night, or in my crumpled clothes in the dark. It´s not as good either as that satan in the clouds of the two towers explosion. Hehe, that ones pretty sweet.

You have to realize man, we all see these things, usually in very dark or very light shapes with random lines and dots around. All it takes is a line and 2 dots and there you have you face illusion. If you look hard enough at that static it´s hardly surprising you´ll see something of that sort.

Chill out man and try to see things from our perspective. Your images are perfectly explainable.


k...:p

[komencanto]

There´s a good point there about the JPEGs. The compression form of JPEGs naturally increases the sort of things you are seeing. Try saving in another format and see how you go.
Try using a newer or better digital camera and try it out. All camera naturally produce that static, but the newer ones do it a lot less, which I discovered when I bought my lovely 3mpixel Sony CiberShot =)

[Starrman]

And... I won't argue my "opinion" of what "I" think they are.

I don't want to argue what you think they are either, but my curiosity is bidding me to ask you to tell what you think it is anyway.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by komencanto
There´s a good point there about the JPEGs. The compression form of JPEGs naturally increases the sort of things you are seeing. Try saving in another format and see how you go.
Try using a newer or better digital camera and try it out. All camera naturally produce that static, but the newer ones do it a lot less, which I discovered when I bought my lovely 3mpixel Sony CiberShot =)




Let me get something really clear here.

It is NOT my goal to make it go away.

It is my "wish" to intensify the effect into possibly a perfectly clear image. ( I know that gotcha).

I believe that there is a "purer" "method/formula"...approach to this that will allow a perfectly clear viewing. My funds are limited. I do what I can and experiment and learn by trial and error. One day someone somewhere will put the sequences in order and produce images even more astounding then these.
One day there will be no doubt.


Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness





Let me get something really clear here.

It is NOT my goal to make it go away.

It is my "wish" to intensify the effect into possibly a perfectly clear image. ( I know that gotcha).

I believe that there is a "purer" "method/formula"...approach to this that will allow a perfectly clear viewing. My funds are limited. I do what I can and experiment and learn by trial and error. One day someone somewhere will put the sequences in order and produce images even more astounding then these.
One day there will be no doubt.


Lyndale


...I forgot.......the reason I said this is because I thinks its possible to perfectly make a device ...that will allow a whole new world of viewing.........literally.

There are barriers. I 've seen them "used".

Wouldn't you be curious to know..whats on the other side?


(ya, I know....nuts).

Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by Starrman


I don't want to argue what you think they are either, but my curiosity is bidding me to ask you to tell what you think it is anyway.


"...curiosity is bidding me...". no its not. it's one of 'them.

Lyndale

[LTC8K6]

Intensify the effect?

Then you admit it's not real?

Anyway, you can try fooling around with the compression.

Maybe try solarize / find edges, etc.

Maybe you should look at Hoagland's Mars pics and tell him what you see.

[KelvinG]

Just a word of advice and a heads up for folks on this site who are encountering Lyndale for the first time.
No matter what evidence you provide, no matter how logical and rational you are, no matter how ludicrious you point out his silly beliefs as being, he will not budge in his way of thinking.
If you think you are the one that can open his woo woo eyes to the truth, you are WRONG.

He will never deter from his claims, and repels all logical arguments. He is one of the most close minded and stubborn persons you will ever encounter on this site. (or anywhere for that matter.)

So, if you are game for having some fun at the expense of a deluded woo woo, then feel free to have a go at good ole Lyndale. If you actually think you can make a difference in altering his belief process, you are sadly mistaken.
It's best just to walk away and never come back. That's what I intend to do.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by LTC8K6
Intensify the effect?

Then you admit it's not real?

Anyway, you can try fooling around with the compression.

Maybe try solarize / find edges, etc.

Maybe you should look at Hoagland's Mars pics and tell him what you see.


...effect". I believe if you did a "certain" thing ('s) you would be able to view whats "behing the curtain" and not just what pops up in front of it.

It's real.

Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by KelvinG
Just a word of advice and a heads up for folks on this site who are encountering Lyndale for the first time.
No matter what evidence you provide, no matter how logical and rational you are, no matter how ludicrious you point out his silly beliefs as being, he will not budge in his way of thinking.
If you think you are the one that can open his woo woo eyes to the truth, you are WRONG.

He will never deter from his claims, and repels all logical arguments. He is one of the most close minded and stubborn persons you will ever encounter on this site. (or anywhere for that matter.)

So, if you are game for having some fun at the expense of a deluded woo woo, then feel free to have a go at good ole Lyndale. If you actually think you can make a difference in altering his belief process, you are sadly mistaken.
It's best just to walk away and never come back. That's what I intend to do.




mmm?

To say I am someone who will not change their mind...implies I am someone who " you " have tried to change my mind before on other subjects. THIS IS A FALSE STATEMENT. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU HAVE EVER TRIED TO CHANGE MY MIND....SOOooo...to say I am close minded on this subject would be a lie.

I have listened to great extent on "all" the reasons that people say "this is not real" and have carefully took into consideration their responses and thoughts.

IF you take a deck of cards and threw them on the floor 50x's and "ALL" 50x's the face cards (only) turned up...each time the deck was thrown...you would say to yourself....mmmm something is going on here..........wouldn't you?

losse the rose colored glasses people......they are.

Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Do you know........right now at this very moment..........we could be building an actual court case?


smiles.

mmm....thinking intensly.

I wouldn't put it past this foundation to kick me out.

Lyndale

[TheBoyPaj]

Sooo.. you're not even going to answer my perfectly reasonable question about how you can prove it in court? What sort of argument are you going to use which makes your claim irrefutable and which will see you triumph against the evil Randi?

[roger]

Heck, I wonder what he thinks his legal basis is, let alone how he is going to prove his contention. Even if I could do something paranormal, Randi still has no legal obligation to test me, as far as I know.

[Starrman]

"...curiosity is bidding me...". no its not. it's one of 'them.

-- Starrman clutches head, screams 'GET THEM OUT' and runs out or his office into traffic --

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by roger
Heck, I wonder what he thinks his legal basis is, let alone how he is going to prove his contention. Even if I could do something paranormal, Randi still has no legal obligation to test me, as far as I know.




Interesting.


This Foundation is guilty of "prejudice, of truth".

I've been prevented twice of even being able to take the test. You look in the archives at what they have tested...come on..what Iam saying isn't no crazier then any of those.....They know I am right.
Do you honestly think this foundation wants to give up its bank?
That would be the end of them and they know it. Dont be so nieve they dont want no one to win. (excuse spelling).

When majority believes, I win.

Regardless of what any of you say........I know you see them.
Do I believe you believe.........no, not all of you. Do I think some of you believe...yes, but would rather die then admit it.

My day in court will come.

smiles

Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by TheBoyPaj
Sooo.. you're not even going to answer my perfectly reasonable question about how you can prove it in court? What sort of argument are you going to use which makes your claim irrefutable and which will see you triumph against the evil Randi?



By both "live" and "record" moments.
I am convincing a jury of my peers, remember? Not the foundation.

If they had a lick of sense, they should'uv let me take the test, that way "it would'uv been their decision"

I wouldn't take their test now if they begged me.




Lyndale

[TheBoyPaj]

But what exactly is your claim? That there are some dots which resemble a face? Even if twelve good men say "yeah, it looks like a face" that doesn't make it paranormal and won't win you a penny.

How are you going to convince them there is something odd going on?

[LightPiercingDarkness]

...like a perfect record being recorded.

Just sitting here thinking.....lol.

Amazing how things turn out.

They tried to hide the truth and in turn they're turning it into a perfect court record.

MMM.....we may all meet one day yet?.........hahaha. too funny.

Foundation done in by some of its own members (possibly)?...haha...I am giddy.

Guess you guys better be real careful what you type to me ...uh?


smiles

Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by TheBoyPaj
But what exactly is your claim? That there are some dots which resemble a face? Even if twelve good men say "yeah, it looks like a face" that doesn't make it paranormal and won't win you a penny.

How are you going to convince them there is something odd going on?



"Beyond the range of normal experience or scientific explanation: such paranormal phenomena as telepathy; a medium's paranormal powers".

This is the first definition I found when I searched for paranomal

You telling me what I am saying isnt behind the range of normal experiance? (assuming I prove it true of course).


If some idiot can tell them they can float off the floor then some idiot ought to be able to tell em they see faces.....smiles.

Like I said........I am glad it will jury and not them deciding.
I don't trust them.

I'll prove it in court....promise.

Lyndale

[Starrman]

This is the equivalent of asking for the prize for presenting a mustard stain that looked Michael Jackson. Even if a jury agreed that it looked like Michael Jackson, it still would not be eligible for the million dolllars.

[Beleth]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
You telling me what I am saying isnt behind the range of normal experiance?Well, to be pedantic, we are telling you what you are seeing isn't beyond the range of normal experience, which is what I think you meant to say.

Taking pictures of static and then running those pictures through a lossy image filter like JPEG will generate artifacts in the static. Some of those artifacts will trigger the face-recognition section of the brain in the same way that a three-hole electrical outlet triggers it. This will happen in different places on different images, and the faces will look different on different images, but it will happen every single time.

Filing a case in court is not nearly the same thing as winning a case in court. The JREF will undoubtedly find expert witnesses in image processing and neuroscience that will tear holes in your argument you didn't even know were there. And if you can't defend your beliefs against amateurs like us here on the board, snowballs in Hell are going to look at your court case and say "Wow! That was quick!"

Been fun chatting with you.

[Pepper's Ghost]

Why do you think that the jurors are going to respond to your claims any differently than the people here are? Is it because the population at large aren't as skeptical, i.e. taken in easier by non-sense? Be sure to get your jury selected from a John Edward audience.

[LTC8K6]

You would have to provide original images or film negatives to any "court".

Since you will have to provide them anyway, why not direct us to a few that we can look at?

I am still not exactly sure what you claim to be seeing. Are they merely images of faces, or are they actual live beings?



I think this is going to be like asking Nancy Lieder for evidence. :D

[TheBoyPaj]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
I'll prove it in court....promise.

Lyndale

I look forward to reading about it, I sincerely do.

But until you actually get around to this court case, there's nothing much to be gained by simply repeating your claims here. We don't buy it so I suggest you go and get your vindication and wake us up when it's all over.

[roger]

Originally posted by TheBoyPaj

But until you actually get around to this court case, there's nothing much to be gained by simply repeating your claims here. We don't buy it so I suggest you go and get your vindication and wake us up when it's all over. Ah, but he thinks that he is gathering "evidence" in this thread, evidence that JREF will not consider his case. I don't know why he thinks that we speak for Randi or JREF, but it's really the least of the things I can't explain in this case.

[komencanto]

May I ask where you live and what is your original language?

By the way, "God is" in your signature makes no sence in english. If you wish to state that God exists then you can say God Is Real, God exists, or There is God. "God is" doesn´t mean anything I don´t think.
Try following it with an ajective or something.
What you may want to say is: "God Just Is." which means something similar.

BTW, Randi has no responcibility to test you. Even if your people would qualify for the million, then Randi could choose not to test you and nothing wrong is done. You see, you have no case no matter what Randi does or did. =)

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Well see won't we.


About my signature.

smiles.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

"If the book the Bible and my brain are both the work of the same Infinite God, whose fault is it that the book and my brain do not agree?" - Robert Ingersoll




smiles.



Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

My day ends now. Take care. Talk to you guys tomorrow.


May God keep you.

Lyndale

[jimlintott]

I see faces.

So?

I sometimes talk to myself.

How do I know the person who is talking to me isn't really talking to me from the other side?

Someone has been thinking outside their box again.

Other side of what?

(Gives head serious shake.)

Isn't reality a nice place to live?

Fore!!

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
My day ends now. Take care. Talk to you guys tomorrow.
Oooh, I can't wait. This is the bestest fun I've had all week.

May God keep you.

Lyndale
And I'm confident He will, but thanks for the thought anyway.

Rolfe.

[Prolix]

LPD,

Let's quit screwing around with these idiots on the forum and actually DO something, something to actually show we are right, and maybe make a buck in the process. Let's file the suit and get on with it.

Even if the forum members never believe, after the press trounces Randi for being so blind to our proof the rest of the world certainly will.

I'm willing to put my money where my belief is, and invest in your suit. If you're not willing to put your money behind your belief then maybe you have more doubts than I.

Please PM me with a proposed mechanism for my financial support for your suit. Or perhaps you can just do it all openly on the forum and get even more supporters. Either way, I'd like to raise my offer to help with the filing expenses to the fifty percent level.

We'll probably have to take out a "surety bond" to cover some of the initial court costs, in addition to the filing fee, but I don't think it's very expensive.

I look forward to working with you. Please don't let me down by being irresponsible, as we are accusing Randi of being, or as Randi accuses Sylvia Browne of being for that matter. If we put or behavior and our money behind our beliefs then we know we are responsible, and others will also know - and have a better chance of becoming convinced. If all we do is talk, then we have to question our own commitment and we will create even greater questions from others.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
Have you ever been chocked with the truth?

Yes, I have.

Wondering...how does it feel?

It feels nice.

I know digital photography.

I know the cloud thing.

I know the pareidolia thing.

I dont know what "cloud thing" you are referring to, I dont know what "pareidolia" is (its not a word in the dictionary and I cant figure out what it is supposed to be).

I understand and can even appreciate your sympothy and kindness when you refer me to a doctor and seek med's (smiles).

It's especially funny coming from me (you have to know me to understand what the means).

It's kinda like getting braces, nobody wants them, but after its over with, they say "I'm so glad I got braces".

I understand that there are some people who would rather this not be true.

I would love very much for their to be a "god" of sorts, preferably the kinds referenced in Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

I understand no one wants change. We get into a comfort thing that feels good and dam the one that 'changes it.

Your pseudo-psychology isnt consistant to the way the crazy "science-y" world works (nor consistent with psychology).

I understand that all of this sounds totally nuts.

It does.

I understand that no one cares that I breath.

... ???

I understand that only in court will I 'even have a chance against this foundation.

I doubt you will.

I understand...

...but that dont change the 'odds and the results of what is happening.


Well, I'll give you this... you really didnt try to defend yourself against my perfectly acceptable and valid description of the phenemona without need to describe paranormal phenomena. You took the "I put my head in the ground" technique, not cool.

Remember when people used to see ghosts in photographs... nope, they werent ghosts. Instead, the "ghosts" just happened to be the photo ink staining the glass of the portait a bit, when a new picture is inserted, the stain creates the bizarre appearence of "ghosts" (no one would doubt this claim, not even diehard believers in ghosts... the "stained glass" theory is proved when you take the pictures out of the portrait, hold the glass up to light, and the specks of previous image). See, no need to describe paranormal phenomena to debunk the claims of ghosts in old portraits.

How about this, how about I take a picture of my bedroom or my basement in the dark, and see how many "demons" you can spot?

[Peter Jenkins]

Yahweh, Check this link (http://skepdic.com/pareidol.html) for a descrition of Pareidolia.


ICan.. wrote:
Do you know........right now at this very moment..........we could be building an actual court case?

No, I don't think so, You see, all the guys here are independant thinkers. We may support the aims of the JREF (though, some don't), but not one single person who has tried to talk sense to you, here, has any power over the application procedure or testing of claimants

I wouldn't put it past this foundation to kick me out.
I think you're a nut - but you're pleasant enough (at the moment) and (replies to) your past posts have helped me understand a little bit more about pareidolia and image compression/Digital photography
You are also quite entertaining in a clown-gets-pie-in-the-face sort of way. I, don't think anyone (with admin power) is considering banning you from the board.

mmm....thinking intensly.
I can't comment on that :)

Lyndale

Peter

[Zep]

I've had a sh*tty day today, so I would like some of what LPD is on, please, doctor!

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by Prolix
LPD,

Let's quit screwing around with these idiots on the forum and actually DO something, something to actually show we are right, and maybe make a buck in the process. Let's file the suit and get on with it.

Even if the forum members never believe, after the press trounces Randi for being so blind to our proof the rest of the world certainly will.

I'm willing to put my money where my belief is, and invest in your suit. If you're not willing to put your money behind your belief then maybe you have more doubts than I.

Please PM me with a proposed mechanism for my financial support for your suit. Or perhaps you can just do it all openly on the forum and get even more supporters. Either way, I'd like to raise my offer to help with the filing expenses to the fifty percent level.

We'll probably have to take out a "surety bond" to cover some of the initial court costs, in addition to the filing fee, but I don't think it's very expensive.

I look forward to working with you. Please don't let me down by being irresponsible, as we are accusing Randi of being, or as Randi accuses Sylvia Browne of being for that matter. If we put or behavior and our money behind our beliefs then we know we are responsible, and others will also know - and have a better chance of becoming convinced. If all we do is talk, then we have to question our own commitment and we will create even greater questions from others.


Silvia Brown is in a sense is a Fake.

In her mind she believes she is hearing information concerning the subject at hand and she believes it to be from "herself" and she believes it to be true.
The part she gets wrong is, "herself". Just like re-incarnation (people are being feed past memories of they're past hosts. Impossing their memories into guilable people making them think they are really or were really someone else.) People like her and edwards, these faces/fallen are telling them the information in their "mind"in their thoughts. They have no special power, just special friends.

So here we are...
...we've reached the point were I further embarrass myself to you by stating just what I think they really are.

I believe they are the "fallen of heaven".

I believe they influence "all" of us, in "our" "thoughts" and "feelings".

I believe God has set certain lines and rules that they must abide by.

I believe they tell the browns and edwards of this world...the "information" that makes them so famous.

I believe people who believe in reincarnation are being "feed past memories of past "hosts", that they held and trick people into thinking "they used to be that person and they have been "reborn".

I believe there are plenty of them for everyone.

I believe that God is allowing this to happen now, because He is ready to return and its like something of a final warning. "evil revealed".

I believe they are the purest form of evil.

I believe that they have 2 goals. Do that which is contary to the nature of God and make man think no God. (this is what sin is).

I believe they are behind...sightings/aliens...reincarnation...
ghosts...images of mary(and or any other religious image)...
(alot) of faith healings...prophecies....and most all supernatural phenomenoms (excuse spelling)...........ALL and 100% BEHIND ALL OF IT.

I believe right now they are telling you all kinds of wonderful ways to attack all I just said.

Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

I believe they are behind all the false religions of the world.

I believe they they do whatever is within their power to put us against each other (speaking wordly in general).

I believe they also influence our feelings and emotions.

I believe when the rature happens and God removes His spirit from the earth (He said He would do this right after the rapture), that they will have FREE REIN on all those who remain and people much like you guys will be very happy (but only for seven years).

I believe when God removed them from heaven, they were stripped of all beauty.

I believe they know I know.

I believe God will return soon. (The Second Comming and it will be blamed on aliens).

If I think of anything else, I'll post it for you.

Lyndale


(like free ammo for you...uh?)

[Chanileslie]

Originally posted by Yahweh
Yahweh really needs to clean his bedroom...

And make your bed!! How can you sleep on it with no bottom sheet?????? Of does all the laundry just make it feel like you have a sheet on? My daughter won't put a bottom sheet on her bed either. I just don't get it!! :p

[jimlintott]

I believe right now they are telling you all kinds of wonderful ways to attack all I just said.


Hey guys! Time to back away slowly.

Is that a bunny in the clouds? I think he wants me to follow him.

Wheee!

[SFB]

LPD:

Enjoying all the attention???

[hgc]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness

...

I believe they are the "fallen of heaven".

I believe they influence "all" of us, in "our" "thoughts" and "feelings".
...

Lyndale "I" "am" "cookoo" "for" "Cocopuffs."

[LightPiercingDarkness]

and its easy to see who listens (more).

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by SFB
LPD:

Enjoying all the attention???




why would anyone enjoy being made fun of.

(rolls eyes in a very big way, then slaps back of head to get em to stop and shouts, duh!)

Lyndale

[no one in particular]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness


I believe they are behind...sightings/aliens...reincarnation...
ghosts...images of mary(and or any other religious image)...
(alot) of faith healings...prophecies....and most all supernatural phenomenoms (excuse spelling)...........ALL and 100% BEHIND ALL OF IT.Wait… I thought that was some program doing something that they were not supposed to be doing.

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness

I believe they ...

Who created them?

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by Lord Emsworth


Who created them? [/B]


God.

[Prolix]

LPD,

How 'bout let's do the lawsuit thing. Otherwise it looks like we're just bullshooting. Lord knows, our beliefs deserve more than looking like bullshoot. What we got is more cosmic than spoon-bending and so we are responsible to DO SOMETHING about it.

I worry that it may be the very devil-spirit you are refering to who is holding our findings to the merely bullshoot level of engagement. Let's act on our belief, so others may see.

It'll cost less than 200 dollars to launch the suit and I'll pay half of what you spend. Please don't let me and the rest of the world down by not following up.

[Lord Emsworth]

Who created them?
Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness

God.

Doesn't that render Him pretty cruel, considering what they (and therefore He Himself) supposedly do?

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by Lord Emsworth


Doesn't that render Him pretty cruel, considering what they (and therefore He Himself) supposedly do? [/B][/QUOTE]


I suppose one could be 'influenced to see it from that perspective.

or


One might think...

From what we 'know/think...He created 2 different beings. 1 "angels" (this includes all of them, even the fallen) and 2 man.

Angels, from the beginning saw Him.
We, from the beginning are asked by faith to know Him. I think the faith thing came into play because maybe He didnt want a repeat of what happened with the angels (remember those He kicked out? The fallen). We blame God for this or that and say because of who He is....things should be different.
God did not create a robotic creation. He gave it free will. Remember who He is and what He can do (according to what we know).
What pleasure would there be in creating something that was like a robot or a computer...compared to free will....the unknowing of what will happen........ ah yes...I know what your thinking....because He knows everything ...He's to blame.
Well...I think just because He may have the ability to know, that doesn't mean He's got His Head stuck in the future, again what pleasure/enjoyment from a creation would that be?

No matter how you look at it, He is the creator and we are the creation.
Sure creation got messed up by something He created, but just because creation messes up does that mean its His fault? No.
Regardless of how you look at it......in the end..He said He "gave" his greatest gift to the world to fix it. His Son.

It is and will be mans free will choice to mans conclusion concerning God...one thing is for sure, you can believe He will keep His promises...His Son did not die in vain and blaming God or anyone else for our lives will be no excuse.

God is and Jesus is the only path to know Him.

Jesus said.... " I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. NO man COMMETH to the FATHER, but by ME".

Makes me ill to watch these people on tv deceiving people on what God is and what He is about.

Any person, group or organization that teaches God and does so by the inticement of ..........healings........prophecies.......picture s of fallen angels.....the money grabbers (like on ptl)........or any other means.....................ARE ON THE WRONG PATH. READ THE PARABLE OF THE "TARE" IN THE NEW TESTEMENT and know the difference between a true follow of Christ and a false one.

Jesus said there is one path to the Father and that is by Him. The bible says...."wide is the path of destruction" and narrow is the path to Him.

I've seen people blame God for all kinds of things.
In the end, when we are all on our knees before Him, the only one to blame anything on...will be ourselves.


I've sat and thought intensly on this concerning the lee-way they have to manipulate us...but the bottom line is...its still a free will choice...to a conclusion of 1 of 2 places.

What sucks is........sin is so satisfying...makes you feel so good its hard to over come.... in the end....we will be required to give an account of our lives, like it or not............enough preaching.
Was not what I intended.


Lyndale

[Humphreys]

LPD I totally agree that something strange is going on behind the curtain.

The faces...they are up to something.

The people here can't see them because the faces haven't made their presence known to them. The faces have chosen us. And Prolix too.

We are special chosen ones. The faces have shown themselves to us - and Prolix too - for a reason...which I haven't worked out yet.

The faces aren't just in jpegs, they are everywhere - gifs too.

I can feel them. The evil faces writhing on my flesh... I can feel them touching me, caressing my body, their hot mou...Anyway...I have money, lots of it. If you need my financial help, I will be there for you.

Their piercing eyes will haunt us no longer. They may be laughing at us, but we will have our day in court. We will be laughing soon.

There is no way a court can deny the evidence.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Looks at some of the above posts and sighs...

I guess I am like some kinda ...nut magnet.

smiles (go figure).

I probably won't be able to address anyone else today. Take care and may God keep you.


Lyndale

[Humphreys]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
Looks at some of the above posts and sighs...

I guess I am like some kinda ...nut magnet.

smiles (go figure).

I probably won't be able to address anyone else today. Take care and may God keep you.


Lyndale

Forgive them for they know not what they do.

One day the unbelievers will know the truth, and they will thank us - and Prolix too.

[HelloCruelWorld]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness




\
This Foundation is guilty of "prejudice, of truth".

I've been prevented twice of even being able to take the test. You look in the archives at what they have tested...come on..what Iam saying isn't no crazier then any of those.....They know I am right.
Do you honestly think this foundation wants to give up its bank?
That would be the end of them and they know it. Dont be so nieve they dont want no one to win. (excuse spelling).

When majority believes, I win.
Lyndale


Did you even read the rules for the challenge? There has to be a test designed in which the results are SELF-EVIDENT that has to be agreed upon by both the tester and Randi. Nowhere does it say that the foundation is required to accept your request, especially if there is nothing to test that can even be self-evident. There is mountains of evidence that says that those faces you see only exist in your head. I do not see anything remotely resembling a face in your pictures. In order for you to pass a JREF test those so-called faces have to be obvious, like beyond resonable doubt obvious...Now if you could produce images like Claus Schreiber's...THEN there would be something that would be testable. You have NOTHING THAT'S TESTABLE, so thus there is no point in Randi testing you. If you tried to take it to court, it'll be dismissed without prejudice easily...or even worse you could be fined for bringing up a frivolous lawsuit.


Simply put, you are going to have to do better than these images to even qualify to be tested. If you really think you can do it then you have to work hard for it. Get a good job so you can afford real equipment and THEN see what happens...if you produce images similar to that on the Schreiber site mentioned before in this thread...then maybe there is something to test.


Anyways, I probably wasted too much time in this reply. I'm fairly new to these boards...been lurking for a little while...but seriously between this guy and Carlos is there ever anyone short of Yellow Bamboo that at least presents something that presents something that looks like it took a bit of effort into creating something convincing enough that could almost be worthy of testing? Cause I'm starting to get bored here...

[KelvinG]

I think I'll drop by this thread every once in a while and repost my words from earlier:


Just a word of advice and a heads up for folks on this site who are encountering Lyndale for the first time.
No matter what evidence you provide, no matter how logical and rational you are, no matter how ludicrious you point out his silly beliefs as being, he will not budge in his way of thinking.
If you think you are the one that can open his woo woo eyes to the truth, you are WRONG.

He will never deter from his claims, and repels all logical arguments. He is one of the most close minded and stubborn persons you will ever encounter on this site. (or anywhere for that matter.)

So, if you are game for having some fun at the expense of a deluded woo woo, then feel free to have a go at good ole Lyndale. If you actually think you can make a difference in altering his belief process, you are sadly mistaken.
It's best just to walk away and never come back. That's what I intend to do.

[roger]

Originally posted by KelvinG
I think I'll drop by this thread every once in a while and repost my words from earlier:
KevinG, you will never deter us from our belief that we can change Lyndale's mind. Never!

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by KelvinG
I think I'll drop by this thread every once in a while and repost my words from earlier:







"It's best just to walk away and never come back. That's what I intend to do"

Liar.


Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by HelloCruelWorld



Did you even read the rules for the challenge? There has to be a test designed in which the results are SELF-EVIDENT that has to be agreed upon by both the tester and Randi. Nowhere does it say that the foundation is required to accept your request, especially if there is nothing to test that can even be self-evident. There is mountains of evidence that says that those faces you see only exist in your head. I do not see anything remotely resembling a face in your pictures. In order for you to pass a JREF test those so-called faces have to be obvious, like beyond resonable doubt obvious...Now if you could produce images like Claus Schreiber's...THEN there would be something that would be testable. You have NOTHING THAT'S TESTABLE, so thus there is no point in Randi testing you. If you tried to take it to court, it'll be dismissed without prejudice easily...or even worse you could be fined for bringing up a frivolous lawsuit.


Simply put, you are going to have to do better than these images to even qualify to be tested. If you really think you can do it then you have to work hard for it. Get a good job so you can afford real equipment and THEN see what happens...if you produce images similar to that on the Schreiber site mentioned before in this thread...then maybe there is something to test.


Anyways, I probably wasted too much time in this reply. I'm fairly new to these boards...been lurking for a little while...but seriously between this guy and Carlos is there ever anyone short of Yellow Bamboo that at least presents something that presents something that looks like it took a bit of effort into creating something convincing enough that could almost be worthy of testing? Cause I'm starting to get bored here...


I have other pictures and video, that surely will impress any jury.

Like I said...the biggest problem I see ....is the simplicity of it. That in itself is one of the things that the foundation dont like. To simple. ..not to forget that they just plain dont want to lose their money.


Lets just say...I am gathering and molding.

smiles.


Lyndale

[HelloCruelWorld]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness



I have other pictures and video, that surely will impress any jury.


Lyndale


Ok, then why don't you post the pictures and video that will surely impress this jury. I mean, surely if you post this "impressive" video then Randi might have some interest. And you still don't answer how you can make a test that is self-evident. Where there is no question that you are capturing faces of the dead. You still can't give Randi something that is testable and Randi has complete legal right to deny your application. So really, you have convinced me that you are nothing but either:

A) A gimmick or a troll.
B) Need serious help.
C) Just a complete amateur.

But anyways, good luck with your lawsuit thing...when are you going to file it? I sure hope your legal skills are better than your photography skills or your HTML skills(boy was that Geocities page painful!). I look forward to your attempt to file a lawsuit...it would be pure comedy.

[Prolix]

HelloCruelWorld,

Never fear, LPD and I are going to sue any minute. After all, I'm practically paying him to get the money from Randi, so he can't lose either way, and has no reason to hesitate in making Randi do what's right.

So, LPD my bud, my hand is poised over the check, and we don't have any excuse not to move. Unlike Randi, the courts have to accept our suit and can't "refuse to test" us. We now have the power, and responsibility, to make our case.

And LPD, I ask you not to reveal any further evidence to these nonbelievers. They may tell the THEM entities and our case may get screwed up. I don't care how convincing the next stuff is, don't give in even to the tiniest sinful side to your nature, which you've already told them about, and which worries your old bud Prolix, but only a little bit. I'm talking about that prideful urge to make your case too soon, for example thinking that it would keep your standing as a credible believer etc. No matter how good your proof is it won't give us any more credibility before these heathens, and we shouldn't care what the heathens think for now. It's what the jury will think that counts - and then the jref forum will suffer all the more.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by HelloCruelWorld



Ok, then why don't you post the pictures and video that will surely impress this jury. I mean, surely if you post this "impressive" video then Randi might have some interest. And you still don't answer how you can make a test that is self-evident. Where there is no question that you are capturing faces of the dead. You still can't give Randi something that is testable and Randi has complete legal right to deny your application. So really, you have convinced me that you are nothing but either:

A) A gimmick or a troll.
B) Need serious help.
C) Just a complete amateur.

But anyways, good luck with your lawsuit thing...when are you going to file it? I sure hope your legal skills are better than your photography skills or your HTML skills(boy was that Geocities page painful!). I look forward to your attempt to file a lawsuit...it would be pure comedy.


When you have the ability to hand over one million, I'll consider it.
You are not the test. You are a step that I "step on" to get me a little further.

If you watch a video and on that video you see 'horses and men in hats, its fair to say..."hey there is something on this video".
Notice I didnt say Cowboys? Why? Because that would be an assumption. The "obviouse" is all I need to prove...not the brand labels on their shirts.

I don't have to prove what they are.

My goal is just to prove "they are". NO more and NO less.

The materials that I will provide (should I reach court), will contain 1. Numoruse 'pictures (clearer then the ones you've seen). 2. I will show/display/turn on/make ready/ ...."live"..... picture by picture moment and a constant live stream broadcast, that demonstrates what I say. 3. I will present recorded video of what I have found so far. 4. If allowed ( I will demonstrate live in the court room, what lurks in the shadows) 5. I will have unbiased witnesses. 6. ..and a few other little surprises also.


Now shoo. shoo

and please forgive me for listening to their jests concerning you.

smiles.

Lyndale

I got one million reasons I am doing this. Its time consumming but not impossible.


For the rest of you......If you want to know something ask...BUT do it with out the "hate".....do it with out the "slams"......the name calling ...etc. If you don't want to know....then just do the name calling or scroll. (rolls eyes)

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by Prolix
HelloCruelWorld,

Never fear, LPD and I are going to sue any minute. After all, I'm practically paying him to get the money from Randi, so he can't lose either way, and has no reason to hesitate in making Randi do what's right.

So, LPD my bud, my hand is poised over the check, and we don't have any excuse not to move. Unlike Randi, the courts have to accept our suit and can't "refuse to test" us. We now have the power, and responsibility, to make our case.

And LPD, I ask you not to reveal any further evidence to these nonbelievers. They may tell the THEM entities and our case may get screwed up. I don't care how convincing the next stuff is, don't give in even to the tiniest sinful side to your nature, which you've already told them about, and which worries your old bud Prolix, but only a little bit. I'm talking about that prideful urge to make your case too soon, for example thinking that it would keep your standing as a credible believer etc. No matter how good your proof is it won't give us any more credibility before these heathens, and we shouldn't care what the heathens think for now. It's what the jury will think that counts - and then the jref forum will suffer all the more.


Your condensending tones and backwards thinking, along with your reversed psychology makes you sound like randi?....


shoo...shoo.


Lyndale

[Prolix]

Oh yeah, I forgot.

LPD, in honor of you I want to do one of those closure things like you have, you know, the "God is" thing. How do you do that without typing each time? I'd like mine to be:

God is
Lyndale is
Randi ain't

[LightPiercingDarkness]

shoo. shoo

[Prolix]

[QUOTE]along with your reversed psychology

Oh my gosh, so you really will post the further and more convincing proof?

Well, I'll still help fund the filing of our suit.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

shoo...oh screw it........ **SPLAT SQUISH**

[Prolix]

Re: **SPLAT SQUISH**

Sic transit...

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Imposter.

[Powa]

Originally posted by TheBoyPaj
Sooo.. you're not even going to answer my perfectly reasonable question about how you can prove it in court? What sort of argument are you going to use which makes your claim irrefutable and which will see you triumph against the evil Randi?

Insanity?

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by Powa


Insanity?


eyes, truth, paper,computer,witnesses,pictures,recodings (live and not live),demonstrations,expert witnesses, forum copies and more.


Your all invited also. (please come)

smiles.

Lyndale

[Prolix]

Come to what? They don't have anything to come to t'il we
DO the suit. Short of that it looks like we're just dry humping.


"PROVE all things; hold fast that which is good."
Bible, New Testament, I Thessalonians

SA1 2:3 "TALK no more so exceeding proudly; let not arrogancy come out of your mouth: for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him ACTIONS are weighed."

See, the Bible tells us that it time to put up or shut up. I'm willing DO my part because our God says so. I worry for your soul if you don't do your part, and don't think you should do so before the rapture?

[!Xx+-Rational-+xX!]

Suing Randi is pointless I've tried it before. He is too powerfull since Randi controls a large army of crab people who secretly have politcal influence. When I tried to sue randi he sent dozens of crab people after me but luckily I had boiling water around to take care of them so I escaped. They kept repeating the phrase - crraaaaaaaaaaabbbbbbbbbbbb peeeeeeeeeoooooooooooppppppppllllllleeeeeee crraaaaaaaaaaabbbbbbbbbbbb peeeeeeeeeoooooooooooppppppppllllllleeeeeee crraaaaaaaaaaabbbbbbbbbbbb peeeeeeeeeoooooooooooppppppppllllllleeeeeee crraaaaaaaaaaabbbbbbbbbbbb peeeeeeeeeoooooooooooppppppppllllllleeeeeee crraaaaaaaaaaabbbbbbbbbbbb peeeeeeeeeoooooooooooppppppppllllllleeeeeee

[!Xx+-Rational-+xX!]

I'm right on this one randi's crab people are not to be f**ked with!

[HelloCruelWorld]

You sir, are a riot. I do think you are nothing more than an attention whore...so I think now I will stop paying attention. If you ever file the lawsuit then I'll have the attention to laugh when it's thrown out of court. Randi has no legal obligation to accept your application, so thus you have no case. Now if he accepted your challenge, you pass it, and then he doesn't give you the money. Then that's a case. So yeah....there's nothing more to talk about really, since you won't show any of us on the board the "good videos"...even though you say:

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness

You are a step that I "step on" to get me a little further.



How do you step on me to get further? I have nothing to do with this foundation other than the fact that I like to post on here once in a while. You try to convince us on this board which really won't get you any further with Randi unless you display something tangible to test. You don't want to share the "good videos" which I really don't believe exist. Because you sure seem to be trying to convince us with material which by your own admission is not good at all. So, unless you show me those "good videos", or actually file your lawsuit(LOL, you'll go far hahahaha, what are you going to sue him for? Following his own rules he set for the challenge?), I am going to do like everyone else on this board SHOULD do and simply ignore you.

Have a good day.

[TheBoyPaj]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
eyes, truth, paper,computer,witnesses,pictures,recodings (live and not live),demonstrations,expert witnesses, forum copies and more.


Your all invited also. (please come)

smiles.

Lyndale

Talk talk talk. When will we see any action, I wonder? I'll wager you'll just keep bullsh1tting for as long as you can, then smugly walk away under the impression that actually HAVE won the million. Don't claim you're gathering evidence from this forum. Not being representatives of the foundation, nothing we say here is relevant to your case other than as evidence that the majority of clear-thinkers disagree with you.

If you're going to attempt a court action, do it. At the moment you just appear very foolish indeed.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

I've addressed this issue already. If you didn't get it the first time, then go back and read it again.

I owe none of you nothing.

And your endless ignorant remarks of me or my approach will change nothing.

I've thought this out very carefully and I will succeed or fail under my own merits, not yours.

If you wish to discuss the dynamics of what I found, no problem.

But please not my approach. If you don't like it...then just...keep still.


Lyndale

[HelloCruelWorld]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness

I owe none of you nothing.



You're right...but you sure owe Mr. Randi evidence that there is something that is testable f you expect him to accept your application.



And your endless ignorant remarks of me or my approach will change nothing.



You're right...any remarks won't change the fact that you are going nowhere with this.


I've thought this out very carefully and I will succeed fail under my own merits, not yours.


No one said anything different...well except for pointing out the fact that you will fail...but I don't think you will come close to succeeding.


If you wish to discuss the dynamics of what I found, no problem.


You haven't given us anything to discuss.


But please not my approach. If you don't like it...then just...keep still.


Why not? You are the one that brought it up. It doesn't matter cause it's obviously not happening anyway....so if you don't like us bringing this up...then just...stop...posting...

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by HelloCruelWorld


You're right...but you sure owe Mr. Randi evidence that there is something that is testable f you expect him to accept your application.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your not randi (are you)<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



You're right...any remarks won't change the fact that you are going nowhere with this.>>>your opinion<<<<<



No one said anything different...well except for pointing out the fact that you will fail...but I don't think you will come close to succeeding. >>>>opinion<<<<<

[/B]

You haven't given us anything to discuss. >>>>its no wonder you believe in nothing<<<<

[/B]

Why not? You are the one that brought it up. It doesn't matter cause it's obviously not happening anyway....so if you don't like us bringing this up...then just...stop...posting... [/B]>>>>>>your goading is cheap at that<<<<<<<


shoo...


Lyndale

[!Xx+-Rational-+xX!]

Originally posted by traveller
Suing Randi is pointless I've tried it before. He is too powerfull since Randi controls a large army of crab people who secretly have politcal influence. When I tried to sue randi he sent dozens of crab people after me but luckily I had boiling water around to take care of them so I escaped. They kept repeating the phrase - crraaaaaaaaaaabbbbbbbbbbbb peeeeeeeeeoooooooooooppppppppllllllleeeeeee crraaaaaaaaaaabbbbbbbbbbbb peeeeeeeeeoooooooooooppppppppllllllleeeeeee crraaaaaaaaaaabbbbbbbbbbbb peeeeeeeeeoooooooooooppppppppllllllleeeeeee crraaaaaaaaaaabbbbbbbbbbbb peeeeeeeeeoooooooooooppppppppllllllleeeeeee crraaaaaaaaaaabbbbbbbbbbbb peeeeeeeeeoooooooooooppppppppllllllleeeeeee

My post is important!

~TravellTroll@

[LightPiercingDarkness]

some of you really are nuts uh?


Lyndale


wonders ...mmm?...how many faces randi has?

[Hannibal]

If you don't like what LPD says...DON'T FEED THE TROLL...you cannot reply to him and expect rationality. He is clearly crackers so why try to debate logically with someone who is not logical

God is? Which one?

Bahala Na!

[!Xx+-Rational-+xX!]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
some of you really are nuts uh?


Just wait to see how sane you can stay after randi sends his crab people army after you!

[!Xx+-Rational-+xX!]

Randi will send them so to help fight the crab people off be sure to get -
- boiling water
- butter
- a vampire that has 42 bunnies!!!!!!!!

This will ensure that the crab people don't get you!

~TravellTroll@

[Powa]

Uh... WTF are you talking about traveller? :confused:

[!Xx+-Rational-+xX!]

Originally posted by Powa
Uh... WTF are you talking about traveller? :confused:

Randi controls an army of crab people who have lived under the earth for centuries! With Randi as their leader they will be sure to take over the world. The first part of their plan is to turn guys into a bunch of metro-sexuals so they become wimps. Then fighting us off won't be too hard if all guys are pansies! Randi and the crab people will rule the world! I have listed some ways of stopping them but it's not enough it will never be enough, not with crab people. I can just hear them now repeating crrrrraaaaabbbbb peeeeoooppplleeee crrrrraaaaabbbbb peeeeoooppplleeee over and over again! The challenge is just a front to get money for Randi to support his world domination!

[!Xx+-Rational-+xX!]

You have to give me some credit it makes more sense then TBK being rational!

[Powa]

Nah... It's right about on the same level, but at least I know YOU are kidding. You are... kidding... right?:biggrin:

[athon]

So Lyndale, are you still using Loch Ness, or is the camera focussed elsewhere this time? Maybe the Himalayas?

I'm curious, why the resurgence? Fresh evidence?

Athon

[TheBoyPaj]

So, we're not allowed to question you and you won't volunteer any information. What are you here for, I wonder?

Maybe it is you who should shoo.
But Hannibal's right. There's little point in continuing this until you decide to back up your words with more than just a pie plate, as it were.

Where's the ignore button on this thing?

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by Hannibal
If you don't like what LPD says...DON'T FEED THE TROLL...you cannot reply to him and expect rationality. He is clearly crackers so why try to debate logically with someone who is not logical

God is? Which one?

Bahala Na!


Do you know how stupid that sounds?




Debate what? Your all to busy wanting to know the ends of the money....more then you are of the finding.
Your not debaters, your whinners.

God is (the one you don't know).

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by TheBoyPaj
So, we're not allowed to question you and you won't volunteer any information. What are you here for, I wonder?

Maybe it is you who should shoo.
But Hannibal's right. There's little point in continuing this until you decide to back up your words with more than just a pie plate, as it were.

Where's the ignore button on this thing?


Who said you couldnt question?........what is it with the blatent lies with you people?

I love talking about the finding. Ask away. <<<Just keep to the finding and nothing else (please).

Is that too hard for you?

Gees, I show you the greatest thing that has ever been discovered. Wheres tunnle vision when you need it?

If none of you want to discuss this with me...then don't, please. I am sick of wasting my time with the little returic with the nuts.

I don't care if any of you like me. I really don't. I didn't come here to make friends. I came here to discuss this finding and to start a record. No more no less.

So if you want to discuss do it.....if not.....then just go away.
and stop being so lame ...to say I said this or that. You that stupid, that you think people dont go back and check what was and wasnt said?

A man stood on a porch in the country. He saw a hairy beast on 2 legs walk by him 20 feet away. He turned to his wife and said, honey lets go to bed I am tired.

DUH!!


Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by athon
So Lyndale, are you still using Loch Ness, or is the camera focussed elsewhere this time? Maybe the Himalayas?

I'm curious, why the resurgence? Fresh evidence?

Athon


A good place to go and try to "find" them would be "spotlife.com".
Search the different broadcasts. Both the live ones and the sec by sec ones.
Look in the shades of green, blue and browns.

Lyndale

[TheBoyPaj]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
Who said you couldnt question?........what is it with the blatent lies with you people?


I asked a question but you chose to answer a different one.

What EXACTLY is your claim? Is it:

a) That there are some dots resembling a face
b) That those dots are actually significant and that they represent the face of a being hitherto undetected.
c) something else

It is possibly your failure to give an actual claim that is the reason why your attempts to apply for the challenge are being ignored.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by TheBoyPaj


I asked a question but you chose to answer a different one.

What EXACTLY is your claim? Is it:

a) That there are some dots resembling a face
b) That those dots are actually significant and that they represent the face of a being hitherto undetected.
c) something else

It is possibly your failure to give an actual claim that is the reason why your attempts to apply for the challenge are being ignored.


Using your choices...

...b.


Lyndale

[TheBoyPaj]

In that case the second part of my question was "What argument are you going to use to convince a jury that there is something odd going on?"

The photos, videos and other evidence you mention are only proof that there is a face shape present, not that it is of supernatural origin. Do you have anything to answer this question, if so what?

[Powa]

And why do you choose to believe that the random patterns in your pictures are faces of demons rather than jpeg compresion artifacts?

[!Xx+-Rational-+xX!]

Originally posted by traveller


Randi controls an army of crab people who have lived under the earth for centuries! With Randi as their leader they will be sure to take over the world. The first part of their plan is to turn guys into a bunch of metro-sexuals so they become wimps. Then fighting us off won't be too hard if all guys are pansies! Randi and the crab people will rule the world! I have listed some ways of stopping them but it's not enough it will never be enough, not with crab people. I can just hear them now repeating crrrrraaaaabbbbb peeeeoooppplleeee crrrrraaaaabbbbb peeeeoooppplleeee over and over again! The challenge is just a front to get money for Randi to support his world domination!

If anyone goes against my movement to stop randi and his crab people then you're on of them!

[Prolix]

Dear LPD,

Earlier you said, "...The materials that I will provide (should I reach court)..."

What's with the "should I" business. It is purely a matter of your volition as to whether you reach court. Or maybe you lack conviction, or courage, or perhaps cognitive capacity? (We've already established that it's not a matter of money because I and others will handle that for you - so no excuse there)

So let's get moving. BEFORE the rapture please.

[athon]

Lyndale,

Last time you were here, it was explained to you that these images were nothing more than simulacrum. You refuse to offer any rational reason why you feel they should be anything else, so why do you think this time it will be different.

Until you provide evidence that will exclude the fact that they are nothing but simulacrum (random patterns interpreted to be coherent images), you aren't going to get anywhere.

So why waste your time?

Athon

[Hannibal]

I drew two dots and a curve on my ass and it looks just like a face......do I win $1m?

[Powa]

Why would you do something like that to the poor animal?


Wait a second...



Ohhhhhhh......

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by TheBoyPaj
In that case the second part of my question was "What argument are you going to use to convince a jury that there is something odd going on?"

The photos, videos and other evidence you mention are only proof that there is a face shape present, not that it is of supernatural origin. Do you have anything to answer this question, if so what?



"The photos, videos and other evidence you mention are only proof that there is a face shape present...".


By your own admission^^^.


Ever hear the old saying...."A picture is worth a thousand words"?


If someone holds a picture of something in front of you and you look at it and name whats in the picture. Are you nameing it because of "common reconition"?

I am going to set a presidence. You ask me what the criterier is for that? I say the same as anyone else who did it before me...regardless of the "subject". There are no set rules.

How many pictures do you have to look at before you "get it in your head"...."oh my, look"? Faces with expressions, eye sockets, mouth sockets, head structure.

You ask me how...I'll tell you ......How many times do you show a child a picture of an elephant until He says its an elephant?......thats how many times and that is how.

My word people. WAKE UP!

The digital process is revealing something!! Are you Blind????????????

There are Faces .......with common/repeatable features.....eye sockets....mouth socket.......facial features.........head structure......and even expressions.


You want to know how........I'll tell you.

Ask yourself...............how many times someone has to show you this repeatably before you rub your chin and say ummmm?

Thats how.

...and to step waaaaaaay out on a limb......(my opinion)......they are doing "their best" to convince you other wise.

THIS IS NOT RANDOM!!!! meaning.....if it was...those faces would "not" be there...............UNDER "ANY" CIRCUMSTANCES!!!!

Ask yourself, based on what you know and have seen.
What would it take for you personally to believe?

A thousand pictures?
A thousand people saying they are?


You know why "you dont jump on the train (to believe)?

I'll tell you..............because it isn't popular. That's why.

Based on "what you say they are"........do you know what the odds are for this to reproduce itself (like mentioned above)...are?

Let me tell you, "impossible".

Stop listening to them.......and look with your eyes and heart....and think about all you've seen and learned........look me dead in the eye.......and say.........no, theres nothing to it and I'll look you dead in the eye and say...I feel sorry for you.


WAKE UP PEOPLE!!
Just because the train isn't popular....doesnt mean it wont move. (winks).


ITS REAL>.<

And I will prove it. or die trying.....yes it means that much....your missing the ramifications of it.

THAT train moves and works and goes places.


May God Keep us all.


Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by Powa
And why do you choose to believe that the random patterns in your pictures are faces of demons rather than jpeg compresion artifacts?


Why demons/fallen? (again my opinion)

Because God is a package deal, with Him comes satan and with satan comes the fallen.

I have watched on "live" video...these images "transform from the alien image into the common forms that you have seen since I've been here..........."this implies deception".
There are no aliens. This is just another ploy of them, trying to make man think..."no God".

artifacts?....lol.


Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by Prolix
Dear LPD,

Earlier you said, "...The materials that I will provide (should I reach court)..."

What's with the "should I" business. It is purely a matter of your volition as to whether you reach court. Or maybe you lack conviction, or courage, or perhaps cognitive capacity? (We've already established that it's not a matter of money because I and others will handle that for you - so no excuse there)

So let's get moving. BEFORE the rapture please.



Let me make myself real clear to you.

I don't believe you are who you say you are.

I believe you are randi or one of his associates..using one of the many names you have created here .......in order to manipulate your ideas in this forum.

oh and one more thing.


See you in court and dont forget the check book.


Lyndale Quesenberry is how you spell it when you write it.

Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by athon
Lyndale,

Last time you were here, it was explained to you that these images were nothing more than simulacrum. You refuse to offer any rational reason why you feel they should be anything else, so why do you think this time it will be different.

Until you provide evidence that will exclude the fact that they are nothing but simulacrum (random patterns interpreted to be coherent images), you aren't going to get anywhere.

So why waste your time?

Athon


you lied twice now.


"So why waste your time"?

Million or no million. If even one of you think twice (concerning God) it was all worth it.

Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Let me ask each of you this.


It clearly states in the rules of this forum, that there "are" certain words that you had better "not" use. Should you use them it "clearly states you will "not" be here.


I was thinking.

You know that buggy guy "traveller"?

In all his posts, he uses the word f**K. It don't take no rocket scientist to figure out that word, yet he is allowed to use it over and over....by no one doing nothing.......does that mean the word isnt what it implies?

If I used that word and words like them in a slam against randi in a thousand word slam but only like traveller used them.....do you think they would allow me to continue?

Of course not.


My point?


How many times does it take for it to be so?


Just think about that.


Lyndale

[Powa]

THIS IS NOT RANDOM!!!! meaning.....if it was...those faces would "not" be there...............UNDER "ANY" CIRCUMSTANCES!!!!


LPD, what do you mean by "not random"? Are you saying that there are the same faces in every picture or that the faces exist in every picture?

Do you understand the distinction I'm trying to make? If the former were true (and I mean proven), I'd be convinced that you are on to something.

Please clarify.

[TheBoyPaj]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
Ever hear the old saying...."A picture is worth a thousand words"?

If someone holds a picture of something in front of you and you look at it and name whats in the picture. Are you nameing it because of "common reconition"?

I am going to set a presidence. You ask me what the criterier is for that? I say the same as anyone else who did it before me...regardless of the "subject". There are no set rules.

How many pictures do you have to look at before you "get it in your head"...."oh my, look"? Faces with expressions, eye sockets, mouth sockets, head structure.

You ask me how...I'll tell you ......How many times do you show a child a picture of an elephant until He says its an elephant?......thats how many times and that is how.


And what if is just a splodge of ink that simply looks like an elephant? By your definition anything that resembles an elephant IS an actual, real elephant.

Getting people to recognise that a shape resembles a face is not proof that you have captured an image of a being. You can argue all you like, but no court in the land will agree to that. You will no doubt answer "wait and see" and that is exactly what I will do.

I have the answers to my questions, and I can see that you have nothing further to offer. I won't bother reading any more on the subject until you've had the court case (if that ever materialises, which I doubt) and you post the verdict.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by Powa



LPD, what do you mean by "not random"? Are you saying that there are the same faces in every picture or that the faces exist in every picture?

Do you understand the distinction I'm trying to make? If the former were true (and I mean proven), I'd be convinced that you are on to something.

Please clarify.


To put it simply


I am saying it is possible to record a live "constant" stream broadcast.....producing the same "face".

Do you know the odds of this?

This will be one of the strogest points of my case.

Showing a "constant" 3D image "face", with its eyes opening and closing looking around as if to be watching something.

Lyndale

[NightG1]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
Long time, no type.
Rest of diatribe we have all heard before snipped.

Lyndale, you must have tripped over this on your way in:

7. When entering into this challenge, the applicant surrenders any and all rights to legal action against Mr. Randi, against any persons peripherally involved, and against the James Randi Educational Foundation, as far as this may be done by established statutes. This applies to injury, accident, or any other damage of a physical or emotional nature, and/or financial, or professional, loss or damage of any kind. However, this rule in no way affects the awarding of the prize.

Regulars and lurkers to this forum are well familiar with Lyndale and his demons. He can not be wrong. He will never admit he was wrong. He will continue with this nonsense until he gets bored and goes away and finds fresh meat. Do not try to reason with him or "save" him from his delusion. He wants you to try and persuade him that he is wrong so he can play his little game. Do not feed this troll.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by TheBoyPaj


And what if is just a splodge of ink that simply looks like an elephant? By your definition anything that resembles an elephant IS an actual, real elephant.

Getting people to recognise that a shape resembles a face is not proof that you have captured an image of a being. You can argue all you like, but no court in the land will agree to that. You will no doubt answer "wait and see" and that is exactly what I will do.

I have the answers to my questions, and I can see that you have nothing further to offer. I won't bother reading any more on the subject until you've had the court case (if that ever materialises, which I doubt) and you post the verdict.


I see you people like implying what I say and what I don't say.

Curious,............When I win..........will you still be here in this forum?


You know what will happen when I win?

Let me tell you.

The next big arguement will be .........ok.........who are they?

The world will say aliens.

The christians will say the fallen.


I wonder sometimes........

In the end, will it make any difference at all to either side?

You know what... I don't think it will.

I think this is happening becasue God is telling man....."I even revealed the evil to you and you didnt listen (in other words its like saying, "no excuses").

I think the rapture is getting ready to happen.
I think none of this will matter to anyone when it does.

I wonder, did I do everything I could to make my fellow man see any better any of this?

My God, won't no one listen?

Do you know my name (Lyndale) means "lime tree in the valley"?
I believe that meaning is a metaphor for "one who gives knowledge to those in low circumstances.

Is it luck, that it was I who does what I do or was it predistend?


The bible says to those who I give much, much will be required of them.

I'd like to think I made some difference to someone and that I didnt screw this all up.

Wake up people......God is. His Son is Jesus and He is the only path to the Father. There is no other.

Jesus said......."I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. No man commeth unto the FATHER but by ME".

ANY religious person, group or organization that teaches any other path then that one......is a false path that leads away from the FATHER.


Any religious person, group or organization that uses any means....like....the faith healers.........prophecies......pictures of demons........etc........ARE NOT OF GOD and those are false paths.

THERE IS ONE PATH..................THE SON J E S U S

Learn the parable of the "tare".


You know why you don't believe? Because they suggest it to you and you listen.

How much time do we have left?

"In a twinkle of an eye".

Lyndale

[Powa]

WATCH OUT! HE'S GOT A BIBLE!!!

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by NightG1

Rest of diatribe we have all heard before snipped.

Lyndale, you must have tripped over this on your way in:


Regulars and lurkers to this forum are well familiar with Lyndale and his demons. He can not be wrong. He will never admit he was wrong. He will continue with this nonsense until he gets bored and goes away and finds fresh meat. Do not try to reason with him or "save" him from his delusion. He wants you to try and persuade him that he is wrong so he can play his little game. Do not feed this troll.



The above paragraph suggests you knew me 484 days ago. since that is the last time I was here.
For someone who only has posted 160 times, I find it amazing, that you knew me then.

I wonder how many faces/screen names, does randi have and those that work for him?

Remember........My name is spelled.....Lyndale Quesenberry, when you write that check.


Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by Powa
WATCH OUT! HE'S GOT A BIBLE!!!


I got more then one friend if you need one.

Lyndale

[NightG1]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness




The above paragraph suggests you knew me 484 days ago. since that is the last time I was here.
For someone who only has posted 160 times, I find it amazing, that you knew me then.
Lyndale
No, Lyndale I don't "know" you. I never claimed I did. I read some of your posts - back when you were ICantakePicturesofDemons - and concluded you were an idiot - an opinion I hold to this day.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

7. When entering into this challenge, the applicant surrenders any and all rights to legal action against Mr. Randi, against any persons peripherally involved, and against the James Randi Educational Foundation, as far as this may be done by established statutes. This applies to injury, accident, or any other damage of a physical or emotional nature, and/or financial, or professional, loss or damage of any kind. However, this rule in no way affects the awarding of the prize.

IF one gets to enter........I guess,...but this one didnt get to enter remember...randi?

and.........

I think the keywords in the above paragraph are......."as far as this may be done by established statutes".


The days of this foundation are numbered.


Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by NightG1

No, Lyndale I don't "know" you. I never claimed I did. I read some of your posts - back when you were ICantakePicturesofDemons - and concluded you were an idiot - an opinion I hold to this day.

All one has to do is read your few posts here to see there is deception with you concerning me.

What exactly that is may be unclear at the moment...but a betting man would lay odds your connected to this foundation and probably randi.

Remember L Y N D A L E Q U E S E N B E R R Y ...when you write that check.

lol......by the time I am done with you.....your going to wish you would'uv let me take your test, just so you could dismiss me. Now it will be up to the courts and a jury.

Your the looooser.

Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

I gotta go.....see ya tomorrow.

Lyndale

[Aoidoi]

Lyndale,

I look forward to seeing your lawsuit. What jurisdiction are you planning on filing it in? What court are you going to file it in (small claims? federal? the Hague?) Have you gotten a lawyer yet? What is the legal basis of your lawsuit (fraud, personal injury, breach of contract)? What damages are you requesting?

I look forward to reading your brief.

[NightG1]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
7. When entering into this challenge, the applicant surrenders any and all rights to legal action against Mr. Randi, against any persons peripherally involved, and against the James Randi Educational Foundation, as far as this may be done by established statutes. This applies to injury, accident, or any other damage of a physical or emotional nature, and/or financial, or professional, loss or damage of any kind. However, this rule in no way affects the awarding of the prize.

IF one gets to enter........I guess,...but this one didnt get to enter remember...randi?

and.........

I think the keywords in the above paragraph are......."as far as this may be done by established statutes".


The days of this foundation are numbered.

Lyndale
I am not Randi you deluded knucklehead. If you never applied for the Challenge then you have no claim to the cash. If you wanna play the lottery, you have to buy a ticket. I would have thought even you would understand this....right?

[NightG1]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness


All one has to do is read your few posts here to see there is deception with you concerning me.

What exactly that is may be unclear at the moment...but a betting man would lay odds your connected to this foundation and probably randi.


I think we can add extreme paranoia to the long list of things wrong with you. You think you see demons in photographs and now you think I am Randi or one of his "agents". I am flattered....really.

Edited to correct stuff

[NightG1]

Originally posted by Aoidoi
Lyndale,

I look forward to seeing your lawsuit. What jurisdiction are you planning on filing it in? What court are you going to file it in (small claims? federal? the Hague?) Have you gotten a lawyer yet? What is the legal basis of your lawsuit (fraud, personal injury, breach of contract)? What damages are you requesting?

I look forward to reading your brief.
My bet is that it involves a web cam overlooking Loch Ness.

Edited to correct syntax

[Prolix]

Lyndale,

I said "So let's get moving. BEFORE the rapture please. "
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You said:

"Let me make myself real clear to you.

I don't believe you are who you say you are.

I believe you are randi or one of his associates..using one of the many names you have created here .......in order to manipulate your ideas in this forum."
---------------------
You caught me. I am a Randi minion. So now you have even more of a basis to sue, even more evidence of Randi's crimes against you.

So get on with it and DO the suit. And I'll still help with the financing. If you are reluctant to accept my money, please remember ( or try as hard as you can to grasp the concept ) that the dollar bills don't have a sense of ownership or origin and they will be just as effective in paying court costs.

And don't let YOUR emotional reaction to the source of the money interfere with your effective use of the money itself, which can ultimately be to your, and the Lord's, benefit and Randi's detriment --- any more than the fact that ,statistically, some of the molecules that make up your body also made part of the body of Christ ( at least some of His oxygen and carbon molecules that He metabolically respired) doesn't make you feel better or worse, or more inclined to breathe deeply, or avoid breathing; which you might be inclined to do if you were to take into account the fact that some of the oxygen molecules you breath in, and will become part of your body, probably passed through the body of Satan, in snake form that is, and Hitler too for that matter.

So my point is that if you're mature enough not to let the fact you may may already be in intimate molecular relation with Randi ( and me) interfere with your breathing and eating ( some of molecules in the corn you have eaten may have have been atmospherically transmitted from Randi's breathing or urinary evaporation) , then you're mature enough to take and use money from a Randi minion, for a higher purpose.

( A Short History of Nearly Everything, by Bill Bryson is the source for the molecular stuff)

[Dane]

I am brand new to this forum, but when I starting reading this thread, I spent almost an hour and read the WHOLE thing because this was so interesting/hilarious/sad. So I decided I really need to reply.

I have come to understand there are two possibilities concerning Lyndale. The first is that he has planned and orchestrated this whole hoax on us, using clever psychological tactics to numb us, or make us think he REALLY believes in this. If that is what he is doing, then I'll hand it to him, because he has done very well.

The other possibility is more likely. He suffers from many different psychological conditions that have rendered his ability to rationalize and focus on reality to be useless. Probably the core of all of this comes from a severe case of paranoia. What worsens this effect is a severe case of denial, which makes it almost impossible to overcome his paranoia. He sees US as being the ones that are in denial, that we are the ones closed off from reality, a reality only HE has come to realize. Unless he happens to admit himself to an institution or an acclaimed psychiatrist, there is nothing on his own (or that we can do) to make him overcome his barriers to reality. His imagination is what reigns free in his mind, and with the combination of that and paranoia, that basically is what has concocted the things he sees.

Lyndale, one of the first things we usually find in patterns are faces, whether they be of humans or otherwise. That is the way the brain works. I used to sit in my living room and look at the carpet, and by staring long enough, I could find several faces which had very detailed facial features. Were they "the fallen"? No, because I could scruff my foot over the carpet, erasing any trace of the prior "being". When you are looking at your pictures, concentrate and try to find a different object. For instance, a tree, or a hat, etc. I guarantee you'll find dozens of those as well. And I sincerely doubt they will be the ghosts of decapitated trees from the past, coming to exact their revenge. I even notice plenty of these objects in your pictures; I can basically find any object in the image noise if it's what my mind is looking for.

So Lyndale, why don't you try to look at things from a balanced perspective? You've only looked for reasons why what you believe is real, and completely dismiss any of the more logical reasons offered. When taking any of your reasons into consideration, I did not find any merit to any of those reasons. You simply portray all of the typical symptoms of a delusional paranoid person (not to be taken as an insult). And also, I honestly don't believe that YOU believe you'd get anywhere in court against Randi with you picture demon claim, because no court would even give a second look at your claim. That is just the way the legal system works, whether you try to make a lawsuit or not.

If you are simply trying to manipulate us with a largely orchestrated joke, just go ahead and come clean, and everyone will feel like morons for replying to this thread so many times. Or if you are dead serious, do something for yourself. Even if the picture demons are real, it has nothing to do with you, and you can live life just like the rest of us, perfectly oblivious to the legions of fallen demons that appear only in digital images. Thanks for taking time to read this Lyndale, I only hope the best for you.

[Prolix]

Golly Lyndale,

Upon reflection I must apologize for undoubtly exceeding your woo-woo limit in my previous post. Because you are so careful to respect the woo-woo limits of other forum members, you deserve the same care from me.

I recognize therefore that your recent re-affirmation of intent to sue is not idle woo-woo but a statement of impending action, after all: "...the Lord is a God... and by him ACTIONS are weighed". (I Samuel, 2:4 )


Thankfully I won't be weighed by my woo-woo, but rather by my actions. So I guess I'll have to send the money for your suit as I've promised. I'm afraid though, that by the same token, you'll have to finally DO the suit you've promised, since that's what you are weighed by. It'll be too late if the Rapture gets here first, so get cracking.

[Prolix]

Dane,


Truly deluded people act on their beliefs. That's what gets them into trouble.

It is a sign of healthy reality-testing that Lyndale merely fantasizes actions, like suing, or posting more proof.

It would be even more healthy if he's just gaming the forum.

So this is all probably ok for him. The only downside is that he taints other believers.

[Dane]

It would only be ok as long as it hasn't become a serious obsession in his daily life. If it is something he constantly obsesses about, I'm sure it would affect his daily life in a very negative way. But I guess if it's just a reserved portion of his life that he likes to fantasize about, even if it's distressing to him, then sobeit. It's just concerning to me. I naturally hate seeing people's lives go right into the pooper just because of one fixation.

[athon]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness



you lied twice now.


"So why waste your time"?

Million or no million. If even one of you think twice (concerning God) it was all worth it.

Lyndale

???

Where did I lie? I asked a question, which you didn't answer.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Athon

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by NightG1

I am not Randi you deluded knucklehead. If you never applied for the Challenge then you have no claim to the cash. If you wanna play the lottery, you have to buy a ticket. I would have thought even you would understand this....right?


I would'uv thought you would'uv read the entire thread bright boy. If you would'uv (smiles)....youd know the answer already.


Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by athon


???

Where did I lie? I asked a question, which you didn't answer.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Athon


I apologize to you. I confussed you with "kevlinG"...it was he who said he wouldnt repost. I am sorry.

Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by Prolix
Dane,


Truly deluded people act on their beliefs. That's what gets them into trouble.

It is a sign of healthy reality-testing that Lyndale merely fantasizes actions, like suing, or posting more proof.

It would be even more healthy if he's just gaming the forum.

So this is all probably ok for him. The only downside is that he taints other believers.



Now you show your true colors.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

In your opening statement you claim I have "done very well.." in making you believe ,...then you go on to contridict yourself with the rest of it.


I would suggest to you and people like you...that if your going to attack then you do so...if your not then dont. Because it makes you look like your not sure of what your saying when you mix the two together.


There. This little info should be of help in your next attack against me.

(smiles).

Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

If anyone doubts my belief.

I believe these faces are real .

I believe randi and his associates do manipulate this forum.
If there are doubters to this claim...I would suggest using a trace program and see where it leads back to (and make sure your aware of 'socks, when you do so). Are some of you really that nieve (excuse spelling I know I suck at it) to think they don't? Lol.
Id start with the ones who have post the fewest and who yell the loudest (understand?).

I believe they (faces) manipulate the thinking and feelings of those who are 'not of God.

...and more.


Lyndale.


If anyone cares to contact me by email for fear of ridicule from this forum they may do so I've set up a email address for just this purpose. Here it is talkaboutJREF@hotmail.com and I promise to keep all contacts and info from contacts confidential and not back here to this forum.

[komencanto]

Well evidently they´re not preventing you from voicing these claims about their manipulation of the forum in their own forum. I wonder why they don´t just delete it seeing as how they need to make sure we don´t find out about this conspiracy =)

3 questions you have not answered, answer them:

For what crime will you be suing JREF in your lawsuit?

Who is your lawer and when do you expect to file it?

Where are you from and what is your original language? I am guessing Spanish because of the double negative thing you used earlier which is typical of Spanish.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by komencanto
Well evidently they´re not preventing you from voicing these claims about their manipulation of the forum in their own forum. I wonder why they don´t just delete it seeing as how they need to make sure we don´t find out about this conspiracy =)

3 questions you have not answered, answer them:

For what crime will you be suing JREF in your lawsuit?

Who is your lawer and when do you expect to file it?

Where are you from and what is your original language? I am guessing Spanish because of the double negative thing you used earlier which is typical of Spanish.


"they´re not preventing you...". No not yet and maybe they won't. I believe I may have passed this problem. To do so now would not be in their favor with the rest of you ...I'd imagine.

"For what Crime...". Based on submitting two applications (correctly) and the past history of who they would let (mine is far less crazier then the ones they did let test)...I believe because mine is true, I am being shut out based on prejeduice of truth
(again excuse spelling I know I suck at it).

Who is my lawer (?)...I don't have a lawer...I have an attorney and that is not important to you is it?


I am from kent, ohio. Born in virginia. Decedent of english and indian. I know I abuse the english language n spelling and grammer. (Sorry).

I wouldnt let them test me if it was two million at stake now. I will see this in court before a jury. It will probably be drawn out but thats ok. I have couple of reasons for seeing this go to trial.
One, I know that no amount of proof will sway the heads of this foundation. They dont want to part with their money, that is obviouse. It will be my best chance at a fair trial, regarless of the outcome.
Two, The publicity will reach alot of people and fail or win...people will look and at least know about it on a larger scale. (even if it makes me look even more stupid then you think I already do...it will be worth it) I seriously believe that even if I fail, in the end sooner or later someone somewhere will pick up where I left off and their outcome will be different (which will of course lead me to a new trial against the foundation and probably also allow me to balloon the dollar amount based on the defense of the foundation..because you can will believe they will try and discredit me, by whatever means they can. Soon or later....I will win...its all just a matter of time really.

Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Heres one to chew on.


Even If I don't take it to court. I still win with this foundation.

When I was here before I posted a copy of my notorized agreement, thus proving I did submit, before anyone else did concerning this subject.

Now lets say...that tomorrow...someone somewhere makes it world known what I have been talking about and proves it for me.

Well I was the first to reveal it here...so based on that I could come back and sue from that point of view.

I am not sure if I said that clear enough but I think you get the jest of it.

There are many angles that I can approach this from to win.

Its all just a matter of time really.

Lyndale

[komencanto]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness


"For what Crime...". Based on submitting two applications (correctly) and the past history of who they would let (mine is far less crazier then the ones they did let test)...I believe because mine is true, I am being shut out based on prejeduice of truth
(again excuse spelling I know I suck at it).


Could you give me a quote of that law, I´m not aquainted with it.
In any case, JREF is not required EVER to accept ANY application for ANY reason. If you found something totally provable that was sure to win and everyone accepted, they could quite easily refuse to test you without breaking any law.
What do you say to that?


Who is my lawer (?)...I don't have a lawer...I have an attorney and that is not important to you is it?


Yes, I´m curious about that, what is his/her name and how could I contact him/her? Just out of curiosity, what is the difference between an attorney and a lawyer?



I am from kent, ohio. Born in virginia. Decedent of english and indian. I know I abuse the english language n spelling and grammer. (Sorry).


No need to apologise, I´m just don´t know why you do it seeing as how you live in America. Do you speak any other language?


....dollar amount based on the defense of the foundation..because you can will believe they will try and discredit me, by whatever means they can. Soon or later....I will win...its all just a matter of time really.

Lyndale

I find your reference to this as a foundation hilarious. I mean, it´s a pretty small website, with a pretty small organization, with little publicity, little money (except for the relatively small about for a business sitting collecting interest), a relatively large forum and thats about it.
If JREF closed entirely today it wouldn´t make any sort of news except within circles interested in the paranormal.

I wish I had your confidence about your victory in this =)

[komencanto]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
Heres one to chew on.


Even If I don't take it to court. I still win with this foundation.

When I was here before I posted a copy of my notorized agreement, thus proving I did submit, before anyone else did concerning this subject.


Why is it that the only person in the world who has noticed these faces in digital photos is you?
Digital photos are used by millions around the world, yet you are the first to notice these demons hidden in them. How is this possible?


Now lets say...that tomorrow...someone somewhere makes it world known what I have been talking about and proves it for me.

Well I was the first to reveal it here...so based on that I could come back and sue from that point of view.


What would constitute proof of these claims?
Furthermore, your posts showing your claim could simply be deleted destroying your proof.


I am not sure if I said that clear enough but I think you get the jest of it.


The world is jist, "in jest" is an adverb which means in a humourous or non-serious way.

[/QUOTE]

Some more questions to ponder while I go for a siesta.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

concerning the above 2 posts.

I answered them already.

If you lack the understanding of what I said. I am sorry. But to repeat only fills space that is wasted and since we are nearing the end of this thread..I'd rather waste it with my dribble then yours. (the difference in lawyer and attorney is the way you first spelled it.(winks).



For those interested in seeing different pictures.

http://photos.yahoo.com/lightpiercingthedark

Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Since we are near the end of this thread...I'd like to end it with this post I posted earlier. Please forgive me, but I want you to really think about this and if this is the last post...I will start a new one should it merit it.

Take care and thanks for your time.

May God Keep us all.

Lyndale








Let me ask each of you this.


It clearly states in the rules of this forum, that there "are" certain words that you had better "not" use. Should you use them it "clearly states you will "not" be here.


I was thinking.

You know that buggy guy "traveller"?

In all his posts, he uses the word f**K. It don't take no rocket scientist to figure out that word, yet he is allowed to use it over and over....by no one doing nothing.......does that mean the word isnt what it implies?

If I used that word and words like them in a slam against randi in a thousand word slam but only like traveller used them.....do you think they would allow me to continue?

Of course not.


My point?


How many times does it take for it to be so?


Just think about that.

[Powa]

Originally posted by komencanto

The world is jist,....



Actually, the word is gist. ;)

[komencanto]

I stand honerably corrected on the spelling in both counts =)

LPD´s dodging of my questions up there have got me thinking this could all be a big joke. He has no answers and so bluffs claiming that he refuses to answer because the answers are already there, when they are not.

Here are the questions I have asked and I am almost certain are not answered above in this thread:

1. Why is LPD the only person in the world who has discovered the thruth about these demons?

2. How does LPD think he is going to proove these are not simply JPEG artifacts?

3. Why does LPD speak English in the way he does if he is in the USA?

4. What is a quote of that law JREF has broken. I don´t just want a name, I want the actual law.

5. Who is your lawyer/attorney. What is his/her contact information and name?

Answer them when you want. *Sigh*, I´m beginning to feel and idiot for bothering to converse with this brick wall. This thread should be deleted on account of wasting people´s time in a futile task =)

[Powa]

Originally posted by komencanto
This thread should be deleted on account of wasting people´s time in a futile task =)

It does however increase my post count. I want my avatar!

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by komencanto
I stand honerably corrected on the spelling in both counts =)

LPD´s dodging of my questions up there have got me thinking this could all be a big joke. He has no answers and so bluffs claiming that he refuses to answer because the answers are already there, when they are not.

Here are the questions I have asked and I am almost certain are not answered above in this thread:

1. Why is LPD the only person in the world who has discovered the thruth about these demons?

2. How does LPD think he is going to proove these are not simply JPEG artifacts?

3. Why does LPD speak English in the way he does if he is in the USA?

4. What is a quote of that law JREF has broken. I don´t just want a name, I want the actual law.

5. Who is your lawyer/attorney. What is his/her contact information and name?

Answer them when you want. *Sigh*, I´m beginning to feel and idiot for bothering to converse with this brick wall. This thread should be deleted on account of wasting people´s time in a futile task =)



except for 3 I have answered the all the above on some level or another.

and to answer 3. I didnt pay attention in english class.
It's not what we know that makes us smart, its how we know it.

I won't address these issues again. I suggest you re-read and do it s l o w e r this time.

Lyndale

[komencanto]

Am I blind? I´m pretty sure that nowhere in this thread are there contact details for LPD´s attorney.

Does anything know anything about the law JREF is supposed to have broken? Predjudice of justice doesn´t ring any bells with me.

[Aoidoi]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
It's not what we know that makes us smart, its how we know it.What an interesting concept. Could you give an example?

I'd say rote memorization is less useful than real understanding, but either way you have to "know" the information for it to be of any use.

I won't address these issues again. I suggest you re-read and do it s l o w e r this time. Might I suggest that if everyone is missing your answers that perhaps they are not the ones to blame?

1. Why is LPD the only person in the world who has discovered the thruth about these demons?Well, it seems pretty clear that some people can see something in his pictures. So I think the real question here is why is LPD's explanation for what they are new and/or paranormal.

2. How does LPD think he is going to proove these are not simply JPEG artifacts?One assumes he would try with other compression algorithms and no compression at all. Well, ok, that's not what he'll do, but that's how to you would. Even at that I think it's missing the point, which is that it's "demons" vs. brain hardwiring as an explanation.

3. Why does LPD speak English in the way he does if he is in the USA?Large portions of the country have poor school systems, and even the best schools have poor students. I think it fairly clear that LPD did not do well in school, the possible reasons are left as an exercise for the reader.

4. What is a quote of that law JREF has broken. I don´t just want a name, I want the actual law.I have also requested this (he did not respond to me). As far as I can tell he seems to think that it's some sort of patent situation where he is documenting a discovery so that he has prior art for a patent when more information is available. I'm not sure if this is legally valid as correct for patent law, but it's the only thing I can come up with that begins to explain his comments.

5. Who is your lawyer/attorney. What is his/her contact information and name?I suspect he doesn't have one, as his grasp of the law appears somewhat lacking. And no, he didn't answer this anywhere other than to assert he had an attorney (and apparently get confused or annoyed by a mispelling of "lawyer," which is rather ironic)

So here's my prediction (note Lyndale, this also doesn't qualify for the million): Lyndale will continue to rant without adding significant content for another couple weeks, he will then fade away, to reappear in months or years repeating his same unchanged mantra. No lawsuit will ever be filed, nothing will ever come of his claims, he will remain convinced that he will be vindicated at some unspecified later date by some unspecified breakthrough.

Feel free to prove me wrong, LPD.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

A picture is worth a thousand words

A video is worth a million dollars.

We'll see.

Promise.

Lyndale.

[Dane]

Komencanto,

I think you need to understand, LPD really doesn't believe he can win any of this in court. It is either another one of his indulgent fantasies, or he is just trying to vocalize and make a dent against this organization, which of course he never will with any of his claims.

As to why he is the only one in the world who sees demons in the pictures, I think it is because he thinks he is... "The One". I'm sure he believes he has been chosen to be the only one in the world to see these things, and to spread the word to those who will follow, so that they may see as well. So they may have their eyes opened to the truth and the light.

He will only reply to people who aggress him with compassion, angering some, and confusing others. Basically it's a certain form of passive-aggressiveness. He may not feel the same way inside as he appears when he replies.


LPD,

do you care to answer to any of my posts I made? I think the first one I made had some valid arguments and points that you should consider... that is unless you have closed your mind off to any other possibilities. Read my signature. "Don't determine what is impossible until you know all the possibilities." That still applies to you as well. You can't just determine that it is impossible that you are wrong, and that these demons do not exist, unless you understand all of the possibilities that go with it. I have, and everything points to simple JPEG anomalies, which are completely understandable. And like I said before... if you try to, you can find dozens of ANY object in those pictures, not just faces. Faces are just the first thing we recognize when we notice things in patterns. Simple human nature. Think about it.... If you will not respond to me here, maybe I'll just email you at your new email domain. This is more convenient though. Anyway, even though I understand human nature and psychology pretty well, you still confuse me.

Dane

[komencanto]

A picture may be worth a thousand words, but you have to wonder, just what will those words be?

I have a new question: Who else believes this besides you. Anyone? Who have you told about these things in real life? Has anyone else agreed with you ever? How many people have you told about this?

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by komencanto
A picture may be worth a thousand words, but you have to wonder, just what will those words be?

I have a new question: Who else believes this besides you. Anyone? Who have you told about these things in real life? Has anyone else agreed with you ever? How many people have you told about this?


Regardless the answer you will assume that the reply will be in my favor.
So here you fill in the answers................................ .

Lyndale

[Prolix]

Dane,

Another sign that Lyndale is not very decompensated is his capacity to ignore challenging questions, and to not follow up on his stated promises.

We see that healthy persons are good at ignoring unhealthy and invalid challenges. Randi, for example, has the healthy and beneficial habit of ignoring spurious claims and manipulations.

So it's actually healthy for Lyndale to ignore the consequential questions and obligations of his own spurious fantasies and comittments. Or he'd really be in trouble.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by Prolix
Dane,

Another sign that Lyndale is not very decompensated is his capacity to ignore challenging questions, and to not follow up on his stated promises.

We see that healthy persons are good at ignoring unhealthy and invalid challenges. Randi, for example, has the healthy and beneficial habit of ignoring spurious claims and manipulations.

So it's actually healthy for Lyndale to ignore the consequential questions and obligations of his own spurious fantasies and comittments. Or he'd really be in trouble.



You have more faces then a deck of cards.


Lyndale.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Wonder who extended the pages?


When we were on page 5 it was stating that, that was the last page.

Now we are on page 6 and it is saying that this is the last page.


Curious how many pages is permitted?


Just wondering.


Lyndale

[Prolix]

What's this have to do with your fulfillng your obligations?

I'm obligated to help pay for your suit. That's a verifiable set of actions. You can verify your ... self, I guess,... by following the set of actions you have said, and this will be verifiable. And then you can be a real person, not just a fantasy.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Someone earlier in this thread said...


all they have to do is delete the information and you won't have it to rely on it....(something to that effect).

well I just noticed that hal said yesturday that he will be clearing the data base for room. (just an easy way of being able to say in the future ...oh we did this and thats what happend to it).


clever.

(thats ok...because I still have copies of the originals)

Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by Prolix
What's this have to do with your fulfillng your obligations?

I'm obligated to help pay for your suit. That's a verifiable set of actions. You can verify your ... self, I guess,... by following the set of actions you have said, and this will be verifiable. And then you can be a real person, not just a fantasy.





You smell dude.



Lyndale

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
Wonder who extended the pages?
When we were on page 5 it was stating that, that was the last page.
Now we are on page 6 and it is saying that this is the last page.
Curious how many pages is permitted?
:D

He actually thinks that because each page, while it is being compiled, is (correctly) designated as "last", this means there can't be another page.Large portions of the country have poor school systems, and even the best schools have poor students. I think it fairly clear that LPD did not do well in school, the possible reasons are left as an exercise for the reader.
You said a mouthful, Aoidoi.

Hey, Lyndale, didn't you notice the page where you can even vary the number of posts per page that your system displays?
:dl:
Rolfe.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by Rolfe

:D

He actually thinks that because each page, while it is being compiled, is (correctly) designated as "last", this means there can't be another page.
You said a mouthful, Aoidoi.

Hey, Lyndale, didn't you notice the page where you can even vary the number of posts per page that your system displays?
:dl:
Rolfe.


You just keep that posistion friend. I am shinning my boot.

If something "starts" implying something ...one assumes it so. Till it is refuted. (and for the record, it didnt "start" implying until page 5 ....it was just a question.)


cowboy boots at that.


Lyndale

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
If something "starts" implying something ...one assumes it so. Till it is refuted. (and for the record, it didnt "start" implying until page 5 ....it was just a question.)
For crying out loud, it's only after there are more than four pages that it stops listing all the pages individually. So it becomes ( 1 2 3 4 ... Last page ) from then on. "Last page" is always the most recent one. I've seen 19 pages (on a thread with Steve Grenard defending homoeopathy), and that may well not be a record. It does not take rocket science to work this out.

It's like that in all the forums, on dozens of threads. Looked in any other forums, Lyndale? Been on the board much at all? Got more than one brain cell?

See any "demon" faces in this? :)

Rolfe.

[Dane]

Wow, i sure got a real hoot out of that "Last Page" thing. Anyhow, Lyndale, you still haven't replied directly to any of my posts, yet you reply to other people's. I don't understand this, unless it is because you notice that I state some hard to ignore logic that would be hard for you to refute, or maybe you just haven't read my posts.

I'll tell you something though Lyndale. I am not here to laugh at you, or to scorn you, or to make you feel stupid, because I now honestly think you are not any less intelligent than the average person. I just think this one thing has taken a grip on you, and now you are the one that will not let go.

Want to talk seriously? Email me, volcom_studd@hotmail.com


Dane

[Prolix]

Lyndale said,"You smell dude," in response to my question."
What's this have to do with your fulfillng your obligations?"

Well, Lyndale, how does my odor relieve you of your obligations?
You know, your comittment to sue and to present to the forum your more convincing proof? Remember, you are judged by God on the basis of your actions. (I Samuel 2:4)

Neither I, nor Randi as far as I can tell, and certainly not the Lord would use such an excuse to avoid doing the right thing.

As a matter of FACT, and not fantasy, I'll go ahead and send a check to your lawyer or court clerk right away because I fear the judgement of inaction. Please protect your immortal soul by taking ACTION.

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
If something "starts" implying something ...one assumes it so. Till it is refuted.
So if the patterns in the images "start" implying theyare jpeg artefacts being interpreted as faces by the brain's processing systems? Well that's how n-1 of the world's population sees it anyway.

Silly question, but what was the evidence that refuted this, again?

Is this one a face, too? :nope:

Rolfe.

[MRC_Hans]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
Wonder who extended the pages?


When we were on page 5 it was stating that, that was the last page.

Now we are on page 6 and it is saying that this is the last page.


Curious how many pages is permitted?


Just wondering.


Lyndale

:)
:D
:roll:
:big:

:dl:

OMG..............

This guy beats them ALL. How do they manage to survive?

Hans

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by MRC_Hans
How do they manage to survive?
I have absolutely no idea. His existence by itself is as good an argument against the validity of evolution as I've seen in quite some time. ;)

How are you getting on in homeopathyhome, by the way? Is Albert still engaging in meaningful dialogue?

Rolfe.

[roger]

Maybe it works, maybe not. Let's get to the bottom of this. Lyndale, can I have your opinion on this image?

Have I correctly identified the faces in this image (circled with white)?

[Powa]

Yes, I think I see them now, too!

http://freeweb.siol.net/dragicka/faces.jpg

[MRC_Hans]

Originally posted by Rolfe

I have absolutely no idea. His existence by itself is as good an argument against the validity of evolution as I've seen in quite some time. ;)

How are you getting on in homeopathyhome, by the way? Is Albert still engaging in meaningful dialogue?

Rolfe. Albert never engaged in meaningful dialogue, but unlike many others there, he actually stayed true to his paradigms. And he kept a civil tone, I must somehow have gotten his respect. I'm at the end of my line over there. Got a lot of information, really, and I think I see what makes homeopaths tick. Basically idealistic people, a lot of them, but it is a belief-based system. I am going to compile my findings into an article. Some of them are gonna feel betrayed by it, but it will contain what I found, and my conclusions.

They are very apprehensive about critics over there, so if anybody wants to take a jab at them, please be considerate; some of them are fragile.

Hans

[Rolfe]

I've read some of the threads there, but not participated. I'm not that bothered by what lay woo-woos get up to, I'm far more concerned by the diplomatic immunity accorded to the delusion by the medical and veterinary professions.

My main ambition would be to try to find even one of them who would actually agree to do a blind trial of a proving (distinguish between remedy and sham preparation). I sort of thought that if they really believed they would do it with confidence. But no, there's always a weasel-out. Which makes me very suspicious that somewhere in the subconscious their beliefs aren't as strong as all that. Of course the fragility you mention suggests the same thing.

I've also realised, however, that the stuff in that provings site I mentioned (http://www.hominf.org/proving.htm) is the perfect get-out for the real magical thinkers to the proving challenge. Note that in several places where they did actually give one or more of the proving group a sham, that person also reported symptoms, and they decided that he or she was probably entangled in the whole gestalt and so participating in essentially the same way. I've also seen the same suggestion in a published paper describing a blind-trial proving (with null-effect), to the effect that the placebo group were entangled in the system.

So really, they're just avowed magical thinkers, and you're back to "I know it works for me" vs. "I think you're kidding yourself".

Rolfe.

[MRC_Hans]

Rolfe...
Exactly. One of them (Timokay) did specifically ask for help in testing over at sciforums, so after some exchanges where he seemed sincere, I drew up a simple protocol for a DBPC "proving", and poof! He started calling me names :rolleyes:.

The core of that matter is, "proving" (which incidentially is logically unconnected to efficiacy, something I have manged to make a couple of them acknowledge) is very simple.

Anybody with any knowledge of test protocols can easily design such a test, and it needs not be expensive. You could even do it on yourself for practically no cost. The only credible explanation to why they haven't done it is that they do not dare. I'm afraid its as simple as that.

And if you ask me, there exists plenty of test reports out there, hidden away in the files of the medical industry, all negative. Don't tell me commercial producers have not looked into a claim of being able to cure all sorts of things with a simple, cheap drug! They just don't wanna be cited fo it ;) .

Mmmm, seems we are derailing yet another thread, but I guess this one has lost its direction anyway... if it ever had any :rolleyes:


Hans

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by MRC_Hans
Rolfe...
Exactly. One of them (Timokay) did specifically ask for help in testing over at sciforums, so after some exchanges where he seemed sincere, I drew up a simple protocol for a DBPC "proving", and poof! He started calling me names :rolleyes:.Hah, you and me both. I did exactly the same with Timokay, because he was talking about wanting to do blinded trials in a sincere-sounding way. I played the wide-eyed innocent and suggested a protocol to him, avoiding the use of any technical-sounding terms like "placebo". He suggested I should buy two bottles of commercial homoeopathic preparations (Bryonia and something else, I forget what), erase all identifying markings, and send them to him and he'd tell me which was which.

Now I wasn't playing that game, especially because I'd seen something on another thread that suggested he might actually live very close to me (and Francine had said that she thought Albert was trying to cyber-stalk her), and declined to divulge my address. So I suggested that he ask a friend to help him, explain the test and get the friend to dish out one or the other to him unidentified, randomised by tossing a coin. I suggested doing it several times, because getting a 50-50 guess right isn't so unlikely.

This was when he bailed out. "I already done my own provings, I don't need no friend to help me." Both Francine and I attempted to explain that if he hadn't done it blinded he didn't know anything, but at that point he also posted a long rant from Albert (who was banned) aimed at Francine, and got himself banned for posting as a proxy for a banned member. Ah well.Originally posted by MRC_Hans
The core of that matter is, "proving" (which incidentially is logically unconnected to efficiacy, something I have manged to make a couple of them acknowledge) is very simple.

Anybody with any knowledge of test protocols can easily design such a test, and it needs not be expensive. You could even do it on yourself for practically no cost. The only credible explanation to why they haven't done it is that they do not dare. I'm afraid its as simple as that.Yes, it really bugs me when professional peope who should (and do!) know better declare that homoeopathic remedies have been meticulously proven over many years in blind trials, when what they mean is these "provings" and not any clinical evidence of efficacy.

There are four papers that I know of (two of them authored by that Grade-A kook Harald Walach) which do present a sort of blind-tial protocol for provings, with absolute null effects. Conclusion - the protocol isn't suitable! I can post the links if you don't already have them.

What they seemed to do was to give all their participants long lists of symptoms and ask them to record which ones they experienced. Some were symptoms "associated" with the remedy, others were unrelated things shoved in as control. Both test and placebo groups got the same frequency of symptoms, and they both got as many unrelated symptoms as related symptoms. Quel surprise. Then of course somebody starts speculating that the placebo group is somehow "entangled" in the trial. :nope:

Of course it could be done so much more simply. I suggested this twice to a colleague (see here (http://vetlab.co.uk/voodoo/vettimes3.html#kerr3) and here (http://vetlab.co.uk/voodoo/vettimes3.html#kerr4)). Essentially it was similar to the Timokay suggestion, but with a known remedy and a sham preparation. Just tell us, dear sir, whether we gave you the remedy or the sham. You can do that, can't you? His first response was that he needed a proving group of 10, he couldn't do it on his own, but I think that was to tell one remedy from another rather than known remedy from sham. When the simplified test was set out in detail he did the usual "duck like a quack".The "Test" that she has proposed that I should undertake is completely unreasonable from a homoeopathic viewpoint and I regret that I must decline her invitation to participate in a circus act. If any of your readers would like me expand upon this they may contact me at Lyme Regis and we can discuss the matter rationally on an individual basis. I am, however, greatly concerned by her choice of language and obsession with illusion, deceit and shams, and by her apparent fixation upon monetary gain. There is no place for an illusionist in any laboratory that undertakes serious work. In fact, were one present then I would be more concerned for the location of my belt, braces, wallet and watch than I was for my work.(The whole correspondence is on the page I linked to above, if you want a good laugh.) Now just this morning I've had a letter directly from him enclosing photocopies of two papers from that prestigious journal Homeopathy, demanding that I read and critique them. (Cheapskate - another colleague of his did the same thing two days earlier - different papers - but he sent the whole shiny journal!) I don't suppose "poorly documented results with a strong suspicion of publication bias" is likely to make either of them happy.

I see that in today's Commentary Randi says again that he thinks most homoeopaths are sincerely deluded. Well, maybe, but first of all, if you are an educated physician, at what point does blindness to evidence become wilful deception, and second, if they're so all-fired sincere, why do they always duck out of doing that test? You'd think someone would agree to do it! I'm afraid that I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that their subconscious at least knows perfectly well that it's fraudulent.Originally posted by MRC_Hans
And if you ask me, there exists plenty of test reports out there, hidden away in the files of the medical industry, all negative. Don't tell me commercial producers have not looked into a claim of being able to cure all sorts of things with a simple, cheap drug! They just don't wanna be cited for it ;) .Yes, I know of a couple.

A colleague told me of one company trying to get a product licence for a homoeopathic treatment for I forget what (so much for "individualisation"), and having a real difficulty with the usual drug testing protocol. The usual deal is that the product has to be demonstrably safe in the target species at 5 times the recommended dose rate. Their problem was, what's 5 times a homoeopathic dose? 5 times more concentrated or 5 times more dilute? The difficlty was circumvented, however, when it transpired that there was no demonstrable clinical efficacy anyway.

A second story was relayed by a colleague whose father happened to be one of the senior medics involved in the drug registration at the time. (Shuffles round in email files....) Anyone who doesn't think that homeopathy and witchcraft are synonymous should take a look at some of the product licence applications submitted a few years ago when homeopathic manufacturers were trying to "sex up" their products and get them licensed. I remember one application that stated which compass direction the technician had to face when making up the solutions.... There are a lot of occult influences in complementary therapies that most of the general public are completely unaware of, and for this reason alone I won't go near them with a bargepole.Doesn't seem to me that any of these attempts at "sexing up" met with any success!
Originally posted by MRC_Hans
Mmmm, seems we are derailing yet another thread, but I guess this one has lost its direction anyway... if it ever had any :rolleyes:

Hans
What the hell. :D

Rolfe

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by roger
Maybe it works, maybe not. Let's get to the bottom of this. Lyndale, can I have your opinion on this image?

Have I correctly identified the faces in this image (circled with white)?



Sorry I will not download nothing from anyone here.
If you would like to post it and tben ask for an opinion, ok.

Lyndale

[komencanto]

Dude, the image appears automatically (or should).
Besides, viruses can´t be transmitted in JPEG files.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by komencanto
Dude, the image appears automatically (or should).
Besides, viruses can´t be transmitted in JPEG files.

They can also be posted like the others.

Whats with you. Having a bad hair week?

Trying not to miss a chance to be-little someone?

shoo

Lyndale

[komencanto]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness


They can also be posted like the others.

Whats with you. Having a bad hair week?

Trying not to miss a chance to be-little someone?

shoo

Lyndale

I don´t understand why you just don´t look at it from here. There is no possibility of anything bad happening if you look at a jpeg file. Nontheless, I will mirror that photo, and my ones (which I have done in BMP, a high quality JPG and a low quality JPG for your amusement in my internet space, where you can enjoy them better.
Give me 5 minutes....

[komencanto]

OK, I´ve uploaded a bunch of images here:

http://www.wiblin.id.au/photos/index.php?path=L2xwZC8=&page=1

alternatively, you can go to www.wiblin.id.au/photos and click on the folder called lpd. There are other various photos of me there.

The 3 sets of photos are mine, I could not find any demons in them at all. It would be nice if LPD could give us the specs of the camera he is using, as well as the program and level of JPG compression he is using to convert his photos.

If anyone wants me to put up any more photos, please just ask.

LPD, you can find the picture roger posted as the ninth in that directory. I have just noticed that the bmps don´t show up with the photo album program I´ve got there. Hmmm, I´ll find another way to post them.
Theres nothing interesting in them though.

[roger]

Thanks Komencanto, I don't understand Lyndale's objection given that my image is posted using exactly the same techinique he used to post his own pictures.

Lyndale, my image is posted in exactly the same way as yours: I used the attach file function. You probably just have images turned off in your preferences, so it is showing up as a link that you need to "download". Anyway, Komencanto is hosting it on his server, so you should be able to see it that way. It's the next to the last one on the lower right on his page.

Roger

[Powa]

Originally posted by komencanto
Dude, the image appears automatically (or should).

Yesterday at some point I only saw a link where the image was supposed to be. So this is probably why LPD talks about downloading.

[komencanto]

Has anyone noticed that my images, with a decent camera show nothing of these faces.

Let me explain why. As LPD said in his first post, the photos were taken with a webcam. Thats right. Those terrible quality little cameras you use to stream images. They are very poor quality, as LPD´s images show.

The fuzz they produce appears as horizontal lines in almost all cases, especially in low light. I have a terrible $50 old digital camera which does the same thing. You can see this here: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lightpiercingthedark/vwp?.dir=/Yahoo!+Photo+Album&.dnm=picture+in+basement...showing+circles.jpg&.view=t
Unfortunately, the size of the images is small, but I´m sure you get what I mean.
Now, all of the vague face shapes which I have seen are merely one of these lines with 2 dots (sometimes instead you form the eyes out of a dark patch). The better ones also include some shape distinguishable as a nose.

Go look at the faces you have seen (if indeed you managed to find them), and you will find that they are almost always a combination of this sort. In many pages of course I couldn´t find a single decent face, mostly the more heavily light ones.

The skulls LPD talks about are usually the white marks he makes himself, but I did find one which had a long line down the side in that page about.

The expressions are mostly an invention of our minds, which are exceptionally adept at recognising slight expressions on peoples faces, as this is a very important thing for us to be able to do.
The expressions though are quite cartoonish, and do not look like REAL human expressions.

Just some thoughts.

I am still waiting for the contact information of the person with whom you are preparing your case agaist the JREF. A phone number, an email, a website. You stated earlier that it is in this thread and that I missed it, but I guarantee you that it is not, so please tell me now.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Lets say in front of you is a table. On this table are 2 pictures.
One pictue is digital and one is not digital. Both pictues were takin in the same location of the same subject (the subject is doesnt matter). But when you look at each picture you notice only one difference. The digital picture has faces/aritifacts in it.

Do you know what the difference is? Actually nothing.
(I am not talking about the mechanics of the process)

Both devices are opening a lense and copying what they "see".

The difference is the RESULTS, NOT the "opening a lense" (and yes the "opening a lense" is not truely the digital "way" I know that. I just use the "opening a lense" statement for a lack of better words).

What I am trying to get at is...both devices take a picture of WHAT THEY "EACH SEE".

Are you catching that?........"WHAT THEY "EACH SEE".

If you take a picture of a flower, your going to see a flower.
If you take a picture of a bird, your going to see a bird.
If you take a picture of a person your going to see a person.

If you take a picture of something you don't know, your going to take a picture of something you don't know.

Concerning the picture above with those smiley faces.
If I were to say to you....that those are not (smiley) faces...you would agrue with me that they were. Wouldn't you? Of course you would and do you know why you would?

Make a list and its that same list why I say those "other" faces are real also.

You will find that if you compared my reasons (with my faces) with your reasons (of why you think yours are smiley faces), you'll find the results Identical on a very High percentage.

You think about that very very carefully and compare both lists in your head, before you reply.

Lyndale

and if you still dont get it (because of my lack of explaining). I will agrue with you that those are not smiley faces and you will convince me that they are. And I will use your same (for the "most" part) arguement against you....you dont believe me...try me.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

just because the finding is.........obviouse.........done with simple equipment.....etc.


If thats the "formula" to do so...then so what?

If you had equipment that costs millions of dollars and only that equipment could do it........does that increase the validity of it?


Noooooooooooooooooooo it don't.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

and that crap about the mind needing to see this or that.

I understand that arguement and if it wasn't for the precise, repetitive results .......I might agree.


short story..


When I first came to this forum ....peoples first reactions were "oh my" what is that. then the very first agruements from "everybody" was.......I faked all the pictures and there was no way this is happening.

Then when I told everyone "how it was happening".......everyone CHANGED their tune and said ...what your saying now...its just a mind thing.

You know what...once we are passed the mind thing....I wonder what lame excuses you will come up with next.........I wonder again....are we near the end yet when you have no more lame excuses and you'll finally just admit it ?


Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

WAKE UP!!

Lyndale

[komencanto]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
Lets say in front of you is a table. On this table are 2 pictures.
One pictue is digital and one is not digital. Both pictues were takin in the same location of the same subject (the subject is doesnt matter). But when you look at each picture you notice only one difference. The digital picture has faces/aritifacts in it.

Do you know what the difference is? Actually nothing.
(I am not talking about the mechanics of the process)

Both devices are opening a lense and copying what they "see".

The difference is the RESULTS, NOT the "opening a lense" (and yes the "opening a lense" is not truely the digital "way" I know that. I just use the "opening a lense" statement for a lack of better words).


I´m sure this is a mistake many people have committed, so I´ll explain the difference to you.
Firstly, as you would have noticed if you had visited the page with the photos I took, that my higher quality digital camera shows none of the faces yours does.
Next, digital and analog camera do do something fundamentally different. Digital cameras encode their images to JPEG while analog cameras have a thing called "absolute resolution", that is, it imprints exactly the light you put in and doesn´t have pixels. Because the JPEG encoding (which we use to reduce file size) does not produce a perfect reproduction, it sometime produces things called "artifacts", which are imperfections caused by reproduction. I am not saying this is the main reason you are seeing faces in your picture, I just want to explain that there is a difference. I´m sure there are more differences someone more interested in photography could explain to you.
I think if you scanned a JPEG of the real photo you are talking about you would find that it would turn out just the same in that digital conversion. BTW, my digital camera does indeed open it´s lense =)


Concerning the picture above with those smiley faces.
If I were to say to you....that those are not (smiley) faces...you would agrue with me that they were. Wouldn't you? Of course you would and do you know why you would?

Make a list and its that same list why I say those "other" faces are real also.

You will find that if you compared my reasons (with my faces) with your reasons (of why you think yours are smiley faces), you'll find the results Identical on a very High percentage.

You think about that very very carefully and compare both lists in your head, before you reply.

and if you still dont get it (because of my lack of explaining). I will agrue with you that those are not smiley faces and you will convince me that they are. And I will use your same (for the "most" part) arguement against you....you dont believe me...try me.

You´ve missed the point. They DO look like smiley faces, and in both cases you think you have seen a face, but you would not argue that those faces are actual real human faces. They are pictures, in one case, deliberate, in the other case they exist just by chance by a process I described earlier.
Understand now?


just because the finding is.........obviouse.........done with simple equipment.....etc.


If thats the "formula" to do so...then so what?

If you had equipment that costs millions of dollars and only that equipment could do it........does that increase the validity of it?

Noooooooooooooooooooo it don't.


Of course not. But if more sophisticated and accurate equipment showed that the effect was just a error caused by impresition on the cheaper and less accurate equipment, then yes it would reduce the validity of those original results.

When I first came to this forum ....peoples first reactions were "oh my" what is that. then the very first agruements from "everybody" was.......I faked all the pictures and there was no way this is happening.

Could you please provide a link to that thread, I´m interested to read it but I´m sure you can find it more easily than me.


You know what...once we are passed the mind thing....I wonder what lame excuses you will come up with next.........I wonder again....are we near the end yet when you have no more lame excuses and you'll finally just admit it ?

This idea of "you were wrong with your first argument, so you must be wrong with all of your future arguments" is silly.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

You are wrong.

and..

concerning the link you requested.

I am not going to re read the thread...but some where in here I called someone randi (several times I know) and they argued that they checked out past posts and that is how they knew what they knew (who knows it might of even been you). So...If it means that much to you ...to see how lame everyone was in the beginning you go search.........that is if hal hasnt already dumped it.

and if its not there ....then one could assume that ...that indeed was randi earlier in the thread lieing and manipulating everyone.

Either way....I don't really care if you look or not....anyone in here with any integrity (scuse spelling) can verify what I said about that in the beginning (though i doubt they will).


lyndale

[komencanto]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
You are wrong.


What a strong challenge! About which point am I wrong, and why do you believe that?

And why do you never answer me when I request to know the name of the person with whom you a planning to sue the JREF?

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
anyone in here with any integrity (scuse spelling) You mean, excuse you for spelling it right? :nope:

Rolfe.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by komencanto


About which point, and why do you believe that?

And why do you never answer me when I request to know the name of the person with whom you a planning to sue the JREF?



"which point".............most.

"why".........................Some see the sunset and some see only the clouds.


"who".........................not your concern, is it?

[komencanto]

It is clear to me that you are entirely unable to defend your position against the arguments laid against you.

You show paranoid tendencies in your hatred towards JREF and your obsession with the 1 million dollars.

You appear delusional about your ability to win your case in court.

You are unable to see any point of you except your own and are so totally convinced of your own correctness you will often not even bother refuting the valid arguments of others.

I am sick of wasting my time arguing with someone who doesn´t respond to reason.

I suggest you show your demon pictures to your friends or family and see what reaction you get.

As other before, I am worried about you and suggest you speak to someone you know in real life about what you see.

I will no longer argue with you about these photos.

[roger]

I take it your NOT going to answer whether my picture correctly identified faces or not?

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by komencanto
It is clear to me that you are entirely unable to defend your position against the arguments laid against you.

You show paranoid tendencies in your hatred towards JREF and your obsession with the 1 million dollars.

You appear delusional about your ability to win your case in court.

You are unable to see any point of you except your own and are so totally convinced of your own correctness you will often not even bother refuting the valid arguments of others.

I am sick of wasting my time arguing with someone who doesn´t respond to reason.

I suggest you show your demon pictures to your friends or family and see what reaction you get.

As other before, I am worried about you and suggest you speak to someone you know in real life about what you see.

I will no longer argue with you about these photos.


It is clear to me that you are stuck in "no it ain't land'.

It is clear to me that you will not go back and search the past threads like I suggested (but no, that would make me look good).

I find your last response interesting. Almost sounds like your "not going to reply anymore based on something that was just said or did in these last couple of replies and not the strong stance I have?..............mmmmmmmmmmm?

Makes you rub your chin and go mmm. (oh, not that any of you knows what that means).

Little man (whoever you are)...you live in a world of convience and you do and say what is convient at hand for what you want others to think about you.

Ever just stop and think, there is no corner to back me into because they are real?

It is you and everyone else in here that has the corner shaped butts (to say). Not me. I just wish I could keep you stuck in it. Oh well, I don't mind the excercise, it only strengthens and proves what I 've been saying.

You want some more of me?.........come and get it.




Lyndale

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by roger
I take it your NOT going to answer whether my picture correctly identified faces or not?


I will answer when I see it here and I dont have to click on it.
I see the one on the other page with out the smilies..can't you do the same like that one?

Lyndale

I will not click on anything in this forum, regardless of what you say, but I will respond when you learn how to put it here.

[Powa]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness

and if its not there ....then one could assume that ...that indeed was randi earlier in the thread lieing and manipulating everyone.


One could just as easily assume that the demons themselves deleted the thread, because you revealed their faces to everyone.

[komencanto]

Here:
If you can´t see it you need to go to User CP, Edit Options and change the option:

Show image attachments and [img] code in Posts

to a yes.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

Originally posted by Powa


One could just as easily assume that the demons themselves deleted the thread, because you revealed their faces to everyone.

That which is in the "best interest" of this foundation will be done and has been done.

Lyndale

[Rolfe]

Gosh, we're on page 9 now, Lyndale, and it's still the "last page". But page 5 isn't the "last page" any longer. How can that be? How much longer can this go on?

By the way, my browser displays these two pictures quite normally, and has done from the moment they were posted. Maybe the demons just don't want you to see them?

Get this. The smilies look like faces. You need very little detail indeed for your brain to interpret something as a face. :) Very little more detail changes the perceived expression a lot. ;) :D (Damn, the system won't let me include as many as I wanted to.)

And all that without even moving. Get movement in, and it's remarkable how expressive they can be. :rolleyes: :nope:

Now the point here is that these are just collections of lines. Very simple ones. There are no demons or any other consciousness behind them. Admittedly, all these were designed by people (deliberate, conscious design). But can't you realise that for collections of lines so simple, it's not that difficult for them to arise by chance? I'll bet you don't even have anything as clear as the basic smilie in your collection. Why should these fuzzy shapes have any more consciousness of their own than the smilies?

Edited to add: Good grief, I'm now reading the title of the THREAD as "Miss me? (smilies)"!!

Rolfe.

[LightPiercingDarkness]

I will be back either later today or tomorrow around noon.

Dont get all giddy to quick........I'll be back with a response to that picture..................promise.

You don't scare me.


Lyndale

[Powa]

Originally posted by Rolfe
Good grief, I'm now reading the title of the THREAD as "Miss me? (smilies)"!!

Well, with so many smilies in this thread that title would seem appropriate. :D <-- oh, here's one more.

[roger]

Originally posted by Rolfe
Gosh, we're on page 9 now, Lyndale, and it's still the "last page". But page 5 isn't the "last page" any longer. How can that be? How much longer can this go on?Apparently not much longer, Rolfe. Look down at the bottom of this page. See that link labelled "Last Thread"? OMG! Apparently we can't post any new threads. Sigh. It was good while it lasted.

[Powa]

Originally posted by roger
Look done at the bottom of this page. See that link labelled "Last Thread"? OMG! Apparently we can't post any new threads. Sigh. It was good while it lasted.

So the link labelled "Next Thread" is only good for, like, the afterlife? When we're dead I hope there will be no limits for our fora in the sky.

[MRC_Hans]

Lyndale, sorry for laughing at your "last page" post, but it did show a bit about your logic reasoning capability.

I want to bring you back to an earlier post of yours, where you explain how you compare a film photo with a digital photo of the same motief and find differences (face-like patterns in the digital photo): Could you explain again which conclusion you make from that observation, and why?

Hans

[Beleth]

Originally posted by LightPiercingDarkness
Lets say in front of you is a table. On this table are 2 pictures.
One pictue is digital and one is not digital. Both pictues were takin in the same location of the same subject (the subject is doesnt matter). But when you look at each picture you notice only one difference. The digital picture has faces/aritifacts in it.

Do you know what the difference is? Actually nothing.Actually something. What you have described is the very definition of a "visual artifact".

Say you were there when the pictures were taken. So now there are three records of the image in the photographs - one is recorded by a digital camera, one is recorded by a film camera, and one is recorded by your brain. Now, in two of those images, there are no faces. In one of those images, there is a face. So there are two, and only two, differences:
1) the recording device used
2) the existence of the face.

Since one of the images does not agree with the other two, it is reasonable to suspect that there is something not quite correct about that particular recording device. So you try it again, and again, and again. In each time, neither your brain nor the film camera record any faces, but the digital camera records a face. This confirms our suspicion that the digital camera's recording mechanism is flawed in some way. It introduces artifacts.

(I am not talking about the mechanics of the process)??? Of course you are! You yourself said "One picture is digital and one is not digital"! That's nothing but the mechanics of the process!

Concerning the picture above with those smiley faces.
If I were to say to you....that those are not (smiley) faces...you would agrue with me that they were. Wouldn't you? Of course you would and do you know why you would?Because Powa put them there himself?

Make a list and its that same list why I say those "other" faces are real also.

You will find that if you compared my reasons (with my faces) with your reasons (of why you think yours are smiley faces), you'll find the results Identical on a very High percentage.Because you put them there yourself?

Remember that some of us are not debating that faces are visible in the pictures you have posted. But we are all debating that the faces are the slightest bit supernatural. I don't think you'll find that Powa is making any supernatural explanation to the existence of the smilies in his picture.

[komencanto]

I just noticed that LPD thinks he has refuted the argument that these are simply chance occurences because they happen repeatedly and consistently regardless of the situation.

That is no refutation at all, indeed, if our explaination is true, then we would expect that to happen.

Just a thought.