I'm related to Jesus, or my moms nuts... [Archive]

kittynh

6th November 2003, 12:05 PM

My mom is pretty much a fruitcake. She saw some program on tv about the Da Vinci Code, and in it she says they PROVED Jesus was married and had a kid. The wife and kid went to France where they became the St.Claires, which became Sinclair when they moved to Scotland. Since we are Sinclairs WE ARE RELATED TO JESUS.

This is how I handle my moms woowoo "NO! WE AREN'T!!!!!"

She, who has a lot to answer for at the pearly gates if there are any, is going around telling EVERYONE that she is a direct relation of JESUS! And since all her friends also saw the show they are buying it.

I just keep screaming into the phone, "NO NO NO!!!"

She did explain the proof to me, and I countered it. But finally I just ended up screaming. Plus, I would NOT put on my younger daughter so she could give her the good news that she is related to Jesus...

OH MY ED!

geni

6th November 2003, 12:09 PM

Assuming Jesus atchalerly existed and was, biologicly at least, a human being then you are related to Jesus

Marc

6th November 2003, 12:33 PM

Oh sure, Jesus was the son of god, but after rising from the dead he decided to wallow in obscurity, not passing the good word onto anyone else. Well can't blame him after what they did to him last time he started talking about daddy. ;)

tamiO

6th November 2003, 01:30 PM

Better to be related to Jesus than your Mom's nuts. I didn't even know your Mom had nuts.

Brown

6th November 2003, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by kittynh
The wife and kid went to France where they became the St.Claires, which became Sinclair when they moved to Scotland.How interesting: The "Saint" turned to "Sin."

One of my relatives claimed that members of my family and I are descended from European royalty. My great uncle, finding that this claim had at least some facial support, researched it further and found it eventually to be without merit. Even if the claim were true, so what? I'd still have to pay the same as everybody else for gas and groceries. What's the benefit of being royalty if all of the peons around you get the same benefits that you do?

Splurge

6th November 2003, 02:11 PM

Of course, there is the remote possibility that you might be related to Jesus. Suppose Jesus existed (which is likely given all the sources). Suppose he had sex (which most people do). Suppose his partner became pregnant... you can see where this is leading.

Now I agree with you that the connection is exceptionally unlikely, and even if it could be established doesn't prove anything about the nature of Jesus, but surely that doesn't mean it's completely impossible? Just look on the bright side - you could be entitled to a share in the kingdom of God. If I were you, I'd start thinking about which part of the Vatican you'll claim as your inheritance :)

Chaos

6th November 2003, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by Splurge

*snip*

If I were you, I'd start thinking about which part of the Vatican you'll claim as your inheritance :)

Claim St. Peter´s Square. And charge a fee from all those believers gathering there.:D

T'ai Chi

6th November 2003, 02:17 PM

You should ask her to draw out the entire family tree.

TruthSeeker

6th November 2003, 02:22 PM

Imagine that conclusive evidence were somehow unearthed, how would it impact on you if you found out that you are the descendant of Jesus, whatever you conceive of him to be?

Would this be a very different reaction from finding out you were a descendant of some other historical or religious figure?

Beckett

6th November 2003, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by Brown
How interesting: The "Saint" turned to "Sin."

Good observation, Brown! :D

Kittynh, this might not be a very sensible argument (I wouldn't know) considering two thousand years elapsed between Jesus' supposed existence to his current descendants', but have you suggested to your mother that if Jesus Christ was indeed an ancestor and a possessor of incredible supernatural abilities, that she might have (as well as yourself) inherited at least one of these, or a variation of one of these abilities? If it's worth testing, might I recommend a life vest or stepping over a shallow puddle should she attempt walking on water... just in case.

By the way, I can relate.

kittynh

6th November 2003, 03:30 PM

How about without a life vest!!!!

Older people in my family are all into geneology! I think the photo I posted on the forum of my great grandfather turning green in front of a cadaver during medical school is cool. Him I like! And Upton Sinclair I met, though I don't remember much. He was the black sheep of the family (he ran for gov on the communist ticket in California! Only later was I told he was a famous writer....unfortunatly that's probably where my mom got her woowoo genes, he was into woowoo heavily).

But still, it doesn't have much to do with ME. And certainly not 2000 years later. I guess I could try curing lepers, or healing the blind, or making the dead come back, or being nice to tax collectors...

Really, Jesus, nice guy and all that, but wouldn't it be much cooler to be related to Jimi Hendrix?

Bentspoon

6th November 2003, 04:16 PM

..... in the mysteries surrounding the whole Sinclairs, Knights of Templar, Chateau de la Rennes et al thing I recommend the computer game Gabriel Knight III (mix in a little vampirism for fun).

No kidding. The whole Gabriel Knight series of games enjoys the fictional authorship of Jane Jensen. She does her research. I have always liked the way she neatly knitted fiction into the holes of history's mysteries weaving a fabric of believable unbelievability (Gabriel Knight II brought together the wierdness of Prince Leopold and werewolves).

Along with the game (the mystery is "why has the Sinclair's latest offspring has been kidnapped?") you get a lot of data on the whole mystery of the Holy Grail and the bloodline versus chalice controversy - the Mrovingians and all the rest. It is fascinating and fun too. And then there are the vampires!!

I am currently reading Dante's Equation by Jensen and I must say I do like the way she thinks up science fiction/fantasy.

Anyway, There is a lot of the factual data of the area and the mystery.

Anyone else play this or do you all think I am daft for getting my history from computer games.

Bentspoon

SkepticScott

6th November 2003, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by kittynh
My mom is pretty much a fruitcake. (snip) WE ARE RELATED TO JESUS. (snip)I know you're not related to an imaginary being, but could you sign my "Get Out Of Hell Free" card anyway? :wink8:

kittynh

6th November 2003, 04:29 PM

Bentspoon! I'm going to tell my mom we've got vampires out after the kids. Works for me, and is pretty exciting.

It is so hard to deal with relatives that insist this woo woo stuff is true though. I think she is really getting a kick out of the fact that she thinks she's related to Jesus. What are we going to get royalties from sales of the Bible? The sad part is that if Jesus was who He's supposed to be, I really think He'd be the first to think any kind of egalitarianism based on birth is bad.

Ladewig

6th November 2003, 04:32 PM

Kittynh, you have fallen into the logical fallacy of the false dichotomy. It is possible for both these things to be true. ;)

Given how the world treated Jesus when he was around, I am surprised that anyone would want to publically claim descendency.

As for arguing with your mother about something as irrational as this stuff, the ultimate question becomes: would you rather be right or be happy. Although in this case the question might be: would you rather be hoarse from yelling into the phone or be happy.

!Xx+-Rational-+xX!

6th November 2003, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by kittynh
My mom is pretty much a fruitcake. She saw some program on tv about the Da Vinci Code, and in it she says they PROVED Jesus was married and had a kid. The wife and kid went to France where they became the St.Claires, which became Sinclair when they moved to Scotland. Since we are Sinclairs WE ARE RELATED TO JESUS.

This is how I handle my moms woowoo "NO! WE AREN'T!!!!!"

She, who has a lot to answer for at the pearly gates if there are any, is going around telling EVERYONE that she is a direct relation of JESUS! And since all her friends also saw the show they are buying it.

I just keep screaming into the phone, "NO NO NO!!!"

She did explain the proof to me, and I countered it. But finally I just ended up screaming. Plus, I would NOT put on my younger daughter so she could give her the good news that she is related to Jesus...

OH MY ED!

In times like this it's best to get drunk and worship cows!

kittynh

6th November 2003, 04:33 PM

Scott! Verily ye may go out and sin and fornicate and corrupt minors and miners....ye may break all of the sacred 10 commandments and live it up without fear of consequences. For I have absolved you of any past and future sins. Go forth and sin my son!

(now I'm going to behave like a Mediaeval priest....)

that will be $24.95 please!

Rolfe

6th November 2003, 04:41 PM

Just to remind you of other (in)famous relations....
http://www.b5-dark-mirror.demon.co.uk/c5.jpg

Rolfe.

Bentspoon

6th November 2003, 04:44 PM

You have to be like a vintage Merlot to the vampires. All that watered down holy bloodline. Just the right blend of vile human blood and "Sang Real". Actually that would make a great label

"Sang Rael" - when you really want to be in heaven.

After a long night of shape shifting and terrorizing, my buddies and like to settle down to a little day cap of "Sang Rael" before hitting the coffin.

Tell your mom she better be careful at night.

Bent

MoeFaux

6th November 2003, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by kittynh
My mom is pretty much a fruitcake. She saw some program on tv about the Da Vinci Code, and in it she says they PROVED Jesus was married and had a kid. The wife and kid went to France where they became the St.Claires, which became Sinclair when they moved to Scotland. Since we are Sinclairs WE ARE RELATED TO JESUS.

This is how I handle my moms woowoo "NO! WE AREN'T!!!!!"

She, who has a lot to answer for at the pearly gates if there are any, is going around telling EVERYONE that she is a direct relation of JESUS! And since all her friends also saw the show they are buying it.

I just keep screaming into the phone, "NO NO NO!!!"

She did explain the proof to me, and I countered it. But finally I just ended up screaming. Plus, I would NOT put on my younger daughter so she could give her the good news that she is related to Jesus...

OH MY ED!

Oh my ed is right - apparently, he's your great great great great great great great great great great great great great (etc) granddaddy.

Tell you Mom jesus didn't exist and see what she thinks about that.

Yahzi

6th November 2003, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by geni
Assuming Jesus atchalerly existed and was, biologicly at least, a human being then you are related to Jesus
Geni is right. In fact, you're related to all the kings of the dark ages, and every Roman emperor.

Someone did a study on hereditary lines. Once you go back more than 600-800 years, we're all descendants of everybody. There's just too much intermarriage.

Yahweh

6th November 2003, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by kittynh
She saw some program on tv about the Da Vinci Code, and in it she says they PROVED Jesus was married and had a kid.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned this yet...

You should tell Momma Kat that there is nothing to be gained from the Da Vinci Codes, nothing that couldnt be gained from John Nash's schizophrenic compulsions to find Communist secret codes in magazines (see "A Beautiful Mind", its a good movie). The Da Vinci code is a product of paranoia, a bit of gullibility on the part of "believers in the code", and the network's desire to draw higher ratings.

If you've ever taken the time to find information on the Da Vinci Codes, heres a little what to expect:

From ABCNEWS.com: The Mysteries of Jesus, Mary, and Da Vinci (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/World/Primetime/davinci031103-1.html):
Nov. 3 — For most of the last 2,000 years, the Catholic Church called Mary Magdalene a prostitute who gave up her sinful life to follow Jesus.

But some people believe that Mary Magdalene was maligned through the centuries, and that she actually played a much more significant role in Jesus' life: as his wife, the mother of his child, and the most important of his disciples.

The truth, they believe, was deliberately suppressed by church leaders. There is a theory that the truth about Mary was kept alive by a secret society known as the Priory of Sion, whose members included some of the greatest artists and thinkers of Western civilization, including Leonardo Da Vinci.

...

The depiction of Mary Magdalene as a prostitute has its origins in interpretations of Luke's gospel, where it says she was cured of seven demons.

kittynh

6th November 2003, 06:07 PM

Hey, I'm related to a prostitute too! ( no not grandma.....)

SkepticScott

6th November 2003, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by kittynh
Scott! Verily ye may go out and sin and fornicate and corrupt minors and miners....ye may break all of the sacred 10 commandments and live it up without fear of consequences. For I have absolved you of any past and future sins. Go forth and sin my son!

(now I'm going to behave like a Mediaeval priest....)

that will be $24.95 please! Thank you, but as a legally ordained minister of the Universal Life Church (i.e., I went to their web site), I have the power to forgive sins. No one ever said I couldn't forgive my own! I can also ordain people, so if you don't want to go to a web site and get a spiffy certificate you can print out, come see me at TAM2.

Rev. Dr. Skeptic Scott

(Yeah, I even bought a Doctor of Divinty from them! And I'm in good company; I think it's "Rev. Randi" and "Rev. Michael Shermer" too.)

Marc

6th November 2003, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by kittynh
Bentspoon! I'm going to tell my mom we've got vampires out after the kids. Works for me, and is pretty exciting.

That reminds me of a friend who used to write a comic called Oz Squad. It was Dorothy and friends all grown up, and working for the CIA, plus he mixed in a bit of dozens of sci-fi and fantasy stories. (little bit like Extrodinary Gentlemen) In one of the comics he had a story that included how Joan of Arc was the last decendent of Jesus. In desperation to save her from being burned at the stake the secret society had her turned into a vampire so she could escape. She imparted some of her blood to certain faithful families, so the blood line could continue in a fasion. However by modern times the corruption of being an undead had gotten to her, so she started to attack the decendents of those families, in an effort to reclaim the sacred blood.

The Mighty Thor

6th November 2003, 07:14 PM

Kitty

I guess you should have a lot of Freemasons in your family :)

Do a web search on the Sinclairs of Roslin, Roslin Chapel in Scotland (full of strange hermetic imagery), William Sinclair of Roslin, Rosslyn Chapel (it can be spelled that way), St. Clair, The Hiram Key, Freemasonry in Scotland, Baphomet, etc.

You'll find lots of stuff that will have your mum go ECSTATIC on your, sadly, much-watered-down, legacy :) She will wish to be addressed as Lady Sinclair.

The Sinclairs of Roslin also claim that it was a Sinclair that discovered America -- before the Vikings or Columbus!

Also buy her the book 'The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail' by Lincoln and Baigent:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0440136482/104-8201755-1757518?v=glance

I think that's where the whole bloodline of Jesus stuff started (as far as modern popularity of the theory goes). This book spawned a whole new woowoo industry. The Knights Templar claim that 'something' was buried in the crypt of Roslin Chapel by their forebears. They speculate it may be 'the Holy Grail' or maybe 'the Ark of the Covenant'.

slainte mhor!

malc (in Bonnie Scotland, BTW):)

Doglefox

6th November 2003, 08:08 PM

mom has a rusty old cup in the basement...

right next to the apple guy chained to the furnace.

my family is so weird. Save me!

Boo

6th November 2003, 08:23 PM

kitty,
If your really interested in your role or perhaps the future of one of the kittens you need to go rent 'Dogma'. It will fill you in on everything you need to be a sion.

Boo

Kilted_Canuck

6th November 2003, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by malcolmdl

The Sinclairs of Roslin also claim that it was a Sinclair that discovered America -- before the Vikings or Columbus!

Woah, I'm of the Clan Gunn, and it turns out a Gunn knight accompanied that sinclair earl to america, though from what I gathered it was after the Vikings landed at L'anse aux Meadow

I didn't believe it either, though the Clan Gunn museum near Caithness had a rubbing of some stone found in the US.

Candace

7th November 2003, 12:14 AM

I think this really deserves a quote from Heinlein:
(Kittynh, I am referring to your mother, certainly not to YOU!)

"This sad little lizard told me that he was a brontosaurus on his mother's side. I did not laugh, people who boast of ancestry often have little else to sustain them."

--notebooks of Lazarus Long, Time Enough for Love

The Mighty Thor

7th November 2003, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by Kilted_Canuck

Woah, I'm of the Clan Gunn, and it turns out a Gunn knight accompanied that sinclair earl to america, though from what I gathered it was after the Vikings landed at L'anse aux Meadow

I didn't believe it either, though the Clan Gunn museum near Caithness had a rubbing of some stone found in the US.

Oh, I'm not saying the Sinclair claim is false. I've never read up on it. Certainly, it was a Sinclair who was the first Grand Master Mason of Scotland. Apparently he was quite a rebellious, eccentric chap, too. So, I believe the Knights Templar connection is genuine. And Roslin Chapel is fascinating with its Apprentice Winding Staircase, strange occult gargoyles, and esoteric Templar imagery.

I once visited Berwick in Scotland to research the witchhunts that took place there. I visited some old church graveyards and was surprised how many old gravestones had a skull and crossbones, or other Masonic symbols on them.

I like your avatar. Glad you remember.

Dulce Et Decorum Est
by Wilfred Owen
First Published in 1921

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned out backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame, all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.

Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!--An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime.--
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams before my helpless sight
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin,
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs
Bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,--
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

malc

uneasy

8th November 2003, 02:45 PM

My sympathies, kittynh. I have many woowoo relatives, and I just don't argue. I only worry about one of them because he sometimes get suckered into spending money on stupid things.

So be thankful your mom isn't spending cash on her belief. Or is she? Maybe you should ask if she's sending money to the Jesus Family Reunion Picnic Fund. If so, tell her they don't need any money because everyone can eat off 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish. And a tray of rice crispy squares. :)

Zep

8th November 2003, 02:55 PM

KittyNH, try telling grandma to go to France and claim the family inheritance. Should be fun for her, and she will be away for a while into the bargain. :)

As others have said, don't bother responding. She's old, and the gears are starting to slip...

kittynh

8th November 2003, 07:13 PM

actually she attends the Sinclair family reunion every year on the EAstern Shore of Maryland. I have a cousin Bubba. Bubba or Jesus, those are the traditional family names.

Peter Morris

9th November 2003, 05:34 PM

kittynh

9th November 2003, 06:44 PM

dad was German (in more ways than one)

Grandma was a Sinclair...

Also lots of McPhearsons (renamed Fearson)

trust me, there are goof balls on both sides of the family...

TechMage

9th November 2003, 07:19 PM

If I were you, I'd start thinking about which part of the Vatican you'll claim as your inheritance

Get the part with that rumored secret grand library that has all the old pagan tomes that the Church robbed from them. I read once that for every heretical book the Inquisition came upon a copy was sent back to the Vatican. I would have a hay day getting my hands on all that forbidden and lost knowledge. :)

Grandma was a Sinclair...

The Jews went from father to son in counting bloodlines, so you are out of luck man, even if your grannie is decended from Jebus. :D

Mercutio

9th November 2003, 08:25 PM

Kitty, have you read "Only Begotten Daughter", by....the name escapes me right now--also wrote "towing jehovah" and "city of truth". Your mom might like it...

deBergerac

12th November 2003, 06:37 AM

Originally posted by kittynh

She did explain the proof to me, and I countered it. But finally I just ended up screaming.

Maybe you should ask your mother to read "Foucault's Pendulum" by Umberto Eco. If she can in any way relate it to her own situation she might be a bit disappointed but wiser.

kittynh

12th November 2003, 10:14 AM

Oh, I really like Umberto Eco books. Problem is, if it isn't written by Kitty Kelly, or Danielle Steele I'm not sure she's going to get through it. Do you think US MAgazine could do a cover story?

deBergerac

13th November 2003, 04:25 AM

Why not try to change covers? If she thinks it is proved that she is related to Jesus she could as well think that an Umberto Eco book is written by Danielle Steele. I do not say that it is likely not likely at all, and that is my point.

kittynh

13th November 2003, 01:38 PM

It would be good for her, I could draw up a flashy cover.

OF course, listening to her sound out those big words could be pretty boring. I'll get her a dictionary too!

hammegk

13th November 2003, 01:50 PM

Has anyone mentioned that moms don't usually have 'em?

Sorry; I could no longer resist responding to that title .... kkkkk!!!!! :( No, I haven't read the thread. :D

thaiboxerken

13th November 2003, 01:53 PM

Did you explain to your mom that Jesus is most likely a mythical hero who is/was as real as Heracles and Athena?

kittynh

13th November 2003, 02:06 PM

the really sad part thai is that my mom was BORN ON DEC 25!!!!

She's lived her whole life saying, "Yep, Jesus and me, same birthday!"

I've never even been able to convince her it's just an arbitrary date!

He didn't exsist! Oh yeah, that' s going to go over well...

We actually do have some cool relatives, but left wing communists do not go down well with her.

Rolfe

13th November 2003, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by kittynh
actually she attends the Sinclair family reunion every year on the EAstern Shore of Maryland.
I dread to imagine.

Earlier this year I was quietly minding my own business in a very nice hotel in Perthshire, when two large coaches drew up and disgorged an infinite number of Americans (with some Canadians), all dressed most improbably (and incorrectly and ill-fittingly) in bright red tartan.

They sat down in the Winter Gardens and started to swap brochures for the most amazing collection of tartan tat I've ever seen in my life. It was the annual gathering of the Clan MacGregor. It was truly surreal. My Mum and I quietly took our Scottish persons off somewhere a bit less congested, sniggering slightly.

Funny thing is, we were at a family wedding last weekend, and there were even more tartan-clad and kilted males there than among the MacGregors. But nobody looked unnatural or silly (in spite of the fact that I'm sure most of the older ones had hired the gear - the younger ones get it for their 21st birthdays these days). What is it about Americans?

Rolfe.

kittynh

13th November 2003, 06:21 PM

Don't knock it! My relatives that live in Glasgow are proud of the fact that Scotland always ranks high in being "tourist friendly". I always travelled there with Kitten as the Scots always welcomed my baby/toddler. Strangers would give her a "sweetie", at one of the best restaurants in town she would be kidnapped by the wait staff who would hand feed her so Pool Boy and I could have dinner in peace. You can't pull out a map in Scotland without someone coming over and asking if they can help you. Though, Glasgow isn't exactly a tourist mecca...they take anyone they can get! Greece is also supposed to be tourist friendly.

Living in Vermont/New Hampshire we try to be friendly to all the skiiers in their BRIGHT jackets and new gear. Just keep spending the money thanks...

though I have to admit, it always gave me the willies to see old Prince Chuck in a kilt...really, that should be outlawed.

Chaos

14th November 2003, 03:29 AM

Originally posted by kittynh
the really sad part thai is that my mom was BORN ON DEC 25!!!!

She's lived her whole life saying, "Yep, Jesus and me, same birthday!"

I've never even been able to convince her it's just an arbitrary date!

Tell her that here in Germany, we celebrate Christmas on December, 24th. The 25th is a holiday, but not as special as the 24th.

deBergerac

14th November 2003, 04:27 AM

Originally posted by thaiboxerken
Did you explain to your mom that Jesus is most likely a mythical hero who is/was as real as Heracles and Athena?

Maybe this is a bit beside the point (it is) but is there not a difference in the likelihood of the existence of Jesus, Hercules, and Athena? This will be mostly an argument of what we really mean when we use the names Jesus, Hercules, and Athena. If we mean; Jesus as a carpenter and prophet from Nazareth or God’s son turning water into vine and resurrecting the dead including himself. Hercules a Greek man around whom many myths are told or a man fathered by Zeus doer of great deeds and made into a god. Athena sprung from the head of Zeus living on mount Olympus doer of many godly things or…?
It is hard to see a historical person behind the myths about Athena since all we “know” about her is ‘god stuff’. It is easier to imagine that there once were a strong man in Greece who was famous and about whom different stories were told. In the same way there might have been a person named Jesus preaching and stories being told about him.
One might argue that the historical person would not be the Hercules, Jesus, or Athena described in the myths. But how much would we need to take away to find this historical person? I imagine it is a lot more in the case of Athena than with Hercules and Jesus.
It is not impossible that there once were a real person who was Athena and it is not impossible that there were real persons behind the myths of Hercules and Jesus as well. But considering the sources and the stories told I would say that the existence of Jesus is a bit more probable than the existence of Hercules and both much more probable than the existence of Athena.
I am not saying that we know that Jesus existed or that it is likely that he existed but that it is more probable than the existence of Athena.

deBergerac

14th November 2003, 04:33 AM

Originally posted by Chaos

Tell her that here in Germany, we celebrate Christmas on December, 24th. The 25th is a holiday, but not as special as the 24th.

We in Sweden also celebrate the 24th but it is the 25th that is considered to be the birthday of Jesus (it is convenient for Santa Clause so that he has time to deliver all the gifts around the world). By the way ask your mother were in the Bible does it say that Jesus was born the 25th?