Her Majesty Caroline New Improved "Hi, Bob" Drinking Game

[Cicero]

If you were to take a shot of Jack (no pun intended) everytime Caroline says "You Know" in this New York Times interview, you would be dead of alcohol poisoning before the second page.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/nyregion/28kennedytranscript.html

In the Kennedy world, it is easier to run for a political office rather than be appointed to one. Wow!

***..NC: It just seems like the only — your interest in this seat coincided with the chance to become appointed to it, which is the easy way into the seat, and so it raises questions. If you really want it —

CK: Actually, I think that actually a campaign would be an easier way, because I think it would give me a chance to explain exactly what I’m doing, why I would want to do this, and, you know, and get people to know me better and to understand exactly what my plans would be, how hard I would work, you know, kind of...

NC: That’s very interesting. Do you think it would be better for you, and for your purposes in public life, if the governor did appoint a quote-unquote “caretaker” and then just said, everybody can run, and that way you would sidestep a lot of these questions about the appointment, and whether it’s appropriate to appoint someone who hasn’t held elective office. Would you rather he did that? Like, if he appointed a caretaker —

CK: You know, this is all for the governor. And you guys are really focused on, kind of, the ins and outs and the comparisons of this process, and so, that’s really something that you should be asking him. Really. Um, you know, if you want to talk about, sort of, the economy or the issues, or me, that’s, you know — I’d be happy to do that. But — ..***

[Dr Adequate]

It's like a Democratic Sarah Palin.

So I assume that you'll defend every word she says ...

... oh, wait.

[Cicero]

It's like a Democratic Sarah Palin.

So I assume that you'll defend every word she says ...

... oh, wait.

But the left wing rap on Palin was that she was barely educated at third rate schools. Camelot Caroline went to the best prep schools, Radcliffe and Columbia Law School. I do not recall Palin ever stipulating that running for office, something she has actually done, is easier than being appointed to office.

[Alt+F4]

If you were to take a shot of Jack (no pun intended) everytime Caroline says "You Know" in this New York Times interview, you would be dead of alcohol poisoning before the second page.

You know...New Yorkers actually do say "you know" no a lot. You know?

[Darth Rotor]

You know...New Yorkers actually do say "you know" no a lot. You know?
New Yorkers actually do say "you know" no a lot.
I speak a smattering of New Yawkese, but that one has me befuddled. :confused:

[Cicero]

You know...New Yorkers actually do say "you know" no a lot. You know?

Really? I was born in Manhattan and never noticed this. Maybe this is a new strain of Tourette syndrome?

[Dr Adequate]

But the left wing rap on Palin was that she was barely educated at third rate schools. Camelot Caroline went to the best prep schools, Radcliffe and Columbia Law School. I do not recall Palin ever stipulating that running for office, something she has actually done, is easier than being appointed to office. You may have a point, but I don't have a microscope powerful enough to detect it.

[Alt+F4]

Really? I was born in Manhattan and never noticed this. Maybe this is a new strain of Tourette syndrome?

You know, I've lived in New York City my entire life and I hear it very often.

The only issue here is which person can do best for the people of New York State. Might that be Caroline, with her family connections? Maybe. I don't see how she could be any worse than most of our career politicians here in New York, you know.

[Cicero]

You may have a point, but I don't have a microscope powerful enough to detect it.

Not surprising. Libs usually require an electron microscope to detect the obvious.

[ravdin]

It's like a Democratic Sarah Palin.

The comparison is unfair. Governor Palin, unlike Princess Caroline, has actually held elected office. Palin was duly elected by the voters in her state. Her current position was not achieved by pulling strings within reach because of her family connections.

[Alt+F4]

The comparison is unfair. Governor Palin, unlike Princess Caroline, has actually held elected office. Palin was duly elected by the voters in her state. Her current position was not achieved by pulling strings within reach because of her family connections.

I think it's an unfair comparison because there is no election for this seat. In the end I don't think Patterson will choose Kennedy, I think he'll go with a democratic member of the House.

[Cicero]

You know, I've lived in New York City my entire life and I hear it very often.

The only issue here is which person can do best for the people of New York State. Might that be Caroline, with her family connections? Maybe. I don't see how she could be any worse than most of our career politicians here in New York, you know.

No New Yorker could say "you know" as many times as Caroline in a 10 second response and get away unscathed. They would get a Gibbs slap upside their head.

That is not the only issue when the people of New York are removed from the selection process. What have the Kennedy connections done for anyone other than themselves? These connections were magical in getting Ted from being tried for the death of Kopechne, William Kennedy Smith acquitted, and the efforts of RFK Jr. to keep wind farms out of Cape Cod.

[Cicero]

I think it's an unfair comparison because there is no election for this seat. In the end I don't think Patterson will choose Kennedy, I think he'll go with a democratic member of the House.

Who said Caroline can't run for this seat in 2010? In her own words, she believes it would be easier to run for the seat instead of being appointed to it. So why doesn't she skip the Patterson appointment and run in 2010? A rhetorical question if ever there was one.

[Alt+F4]

That is not the only issue when the people of New York are removed from the selection process. What have the Kennedy connections done for anyone other than themselves? These connections were magical in getting Ted from being tried for the death of Kopechne, William Kennedy Smith acquitted, and the efforts of RFK Jr. to keep wind farms out of Cape Cod.

I would certainly hope that no one would judge me based on the actions of other members of my family. Wasn't Schwarzenegger's father a Nazi?

[Cicero]

I would certainly hope that no one would judge me based on the actions of other members of my family. Wasn't Schwarzenegger's father a Nazi?

You brought up the Kennedy connections as a reason why Caroline would be an effective Senator. History proves that these connections in no way benefit constituents of a Kennedy.

Arnie's dad was indeed a Nazi. However, Gustav had zero to do with Arnold's career. Arnie came to the U.S. with nothing and relied on Joe Weider to promote his future in body building. But odd you should should mention Arnie whose wife is a cousin of Caroline.

[Alt+F4]

You brought up the Kennedy connections as a reason why Caroline would be an effective Senator. History proves that these connections in no way benefit constituents of a Kennedy.

Arnie's dad was indeed a Nazi. However, Gustav had zero to do with Arnold's career. Arnie came to the U.S. with nothing and relied on Joe Weider to promote his future in body building. But odd you should should mention Arnie whose wife is a cousin of Caroline.

I said her connections "might" be beneficial. Voters in California didn't care that Arnold's father was a Nazi because they were voting for him, not Gustav. Not every Kennedy is the same, and as you mentioned, her cousin Maria married a Republican!

[Cicero]

I said her connections "might" be beneficial. Voters in California didn't care that Arnold's father was a Nazi because they were voting for him, not Gustav. Not every Kennedy is the same, and as you mentioned, her cousin Maria married a Republican!

But Caroline certainly counts on New Yorkers caring that her father was JFK. Without him, she couldn't get to first base with Obama or Patterson. The point is that nobody is voting for Caroline. So this Arnie analogy is not even valid.

BTW: Arnie is a Republican in the same way that Bloomberg was a Republican. I beleive the term is RINO.

[gdnp]

I do not believe Caroline has effectively made the case for why she is the right person for the job. This interview does nothing to convince me otherwise.

[Alt+F4]

But Caroline certainly counts on New Yorkers caring that her father was JFK. Without him, she couldn't get to first base with Obama or Patterson. The point is that nobody is voting for Caroline. So this Arnie analogy is not even valid.

There should be a special election rather than an appointment, but that's a seperate issue.

She had no say over who her father was, she barely knew him. She should not automatically be excluded because of something she has no control over, her family.

[Cicero]

There should be a special election rather than an appointment, but that's a seperate issue.

She had no say over who her father was, she barely knew him. She should not automatically be excluded because of something she has no control over, her family.

The point is that she is only being included at the top of the list of prospects because her father was JFK and her uncle is Ted. Of course she has control over using her family name for self aggrandizement. Caroline's family name was the only cache Obama valued in her endorsement of him. If she were Caroline Finkelstein do you think Obama would be pressuring Patterson to select her to fill "Snipery" Hillary's Senate seat?

[Dr Adequate]

Not surprising. Libs usually require an electron microscope to detect the obvious. I note that you are unable or unwilling to explain your point, preferring to drool out childish lies instead.

[Cicero]

I note that you are unable or unwilling to explain your point, preferring to drool out childish lies instead.

You are showing the signs of someone playing this new and improved drinking game. I told you it would be deadly getting past the first page.

[Demigorgon]

A lot like watching any reality show on MTV and drink any time someone says "Like".

[Cicero]

A lot like watching any reality show on MTV and drink any time someone says "Like".

Exactly. Maybe all Caroline needs is a reality show?

[Alt+F4]

I wonder what Caroline's intentions are? She certainly doesn't need a Senate paycheck, she doesn't want to be President (she supports gay marriage).

[Cicero]

I wonder what Caroline's intentions are? She certainly doesn't need a Senate paycheck, she doesn't want to be President (she supports gay marriage).

She supported a Presidential candidate, now President-elect, who didn't.

Caroline's intentions are to keep her intentions secret.

[Cicero]

The Empress has no clothes.



***.."The most tawdry part of the Bloomberg cheerleading, however, has been the exaggeration of the Kennedy resume. Aside from Caroline's books--some of which have been collections of her mother's favorite poems and other people's essays--the only significant career accomplishment is the two months she worked part-time at Bloomberg's Department of Education."..***

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2008/12/okay_it_would_b.php

[kallsop]

Her biggest problem is that she hasn't been contributing to the NY Political Payola. Got to pay to play.

[gdnp]

Her biggest problem is that she hasn't been contributing to the NY Political Payola. Got to pay to play.

Her biggest problem is her resume would barely fill a page. And half of that would be KENNEDY in 48 pt. type

Her second biggest problem is that she lacks the oratorical skills of her more famous relatives.

[Cicero]

Her biggest problem is that she hasn't been contributing to the NY Political Payola. Got to pay to play.

For someone who didn't grease the right palms she still managed to get Obama, Bloomberg and apparently Patterson behind her. Her biggest problem is that she eventually had to put her cards on the table. It was better for Caroline to be considered ignorant, but given the benefit of the doubt, yet she opened her mouth and removed all doubt.

[kallsop]

For someone who didn't grease the right palms she still managed to get Obama, Bloomberg and apparently Patterson behind her. Her biggest problem is that she eventually had to put her cards on the table.


Celebrity worship is alive and well - but she needs support and she hasn't bought any. Oops!

[Cicero]

Her biggest problem is her resume would barely fill a page. And half of that would be KENNEDY in 48 pt. type

Her second biggest problem is that she lacks the oratorical skills of her more famous relatives.

Well, her famous relative Ted bombed in the 1979 Roger Mudd CBS special interview when Mudd asked, "Senator, why do you want to be president?" Ted was bamboozled by this basic question. Outside of JFK, the Kennedy reputation as gifted orators is myth.

[COLONEL]

Well after reading the interview ,I came to the conclusion that she would fit right in with the rest of the politicians . She managed to answer the questions without really answering them, you know .

[Cicero]

Well after reading the interview ,I came to the conclusion that she would fit right in with the rest of the politicians . She managed to answer the questions without really answering them, you know .

There is a difference between being a master at political obfuscation and being just plain vapid. Caroline must drive Schlossberg crazy.

[DJW]

Well, her famous relative Ted bombed in the 1979 Roger Mudd CBS special interview when Mudd asked, "Senator, why do you want to be president?" Ted was bamboozled by this basic question. Outside of JFK, the Kennedy reputation as gifted orators is myth.

Yeah, Teddy unscripted is a laugh a minute. Think Caroline but with "uh" instead of "you know".

[Cicero]

Yeah, Teddy unscripted is a laugh a minute. Think Caroline but with "uh" instead of "you know".

It seems David Margolick interviewed Caroline back in 1991, but had to comply with strict guidelines about what he could ask Camelot Caroline. He didn't mention her propensity for "You Know," but this may be because Caroline was quoting memorized lines to prepared questions.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-margolick/caroline-kennedy-all-enti_b_154482.html

[COLONEL]

It seems David Margolick interviewed Caroline back in 1991, but had to comply with strict guidelines about what he could ask Camelot Caroline. He didn't mention her propensity for "You Know," but this may be because Caroline was quoting memorized lines to prepared questions.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-margolick/caroline-kennedy-all-enti_b_154482.html Well of course, can you imagine if she had not known up front, what would have happened ?

[gdnp]

Well, her famous relative Ted bombed in the 1979 Roger Mudd CBS special interview when Mudd asked, "Senator, why do you want to be president?" Ted was bamboozled by this basic question. Outside of JFK, the Kennedy reputation as gifted orators is myth.

Ted certainly blew the Mudd interview, but at least he can deliver a rousing speech. Caroline can't even pass the hurdle of delivering prepared remarks competently.

[Cicero]

Ted certainly blew the Mudd interview, but at least he can deliver a rousing speech. Caroline can't even pass the hurdle of delivering prepared remarks competently.

Her handlers had to know this and thought they could avoid any venue where Caroline would actually have to speak extemporaneously. Surely Obama must have encountered the Valley Girl Caroline when they discussed her endorsing him at American University. Why would he think he could deliver anything other than some obscure ambassadorship?

[Cicero]

CNN's Jeanne Moos just beat SNL to the punch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StARK-LbV6M&feature=related

[gdnp]

Local paper claimed over the weekend that Patterson is getting fed up with all the lobbying and is considering appointing a caretaker (Bill Clinton and Mario Cuomo were mentioned) and letting all the interested parties duke it out in the election 2 years from now.

[Cicero]

Local paper claimed over the weekend that Patterson is getting fed up with all the lobbying and is considering appointing a caretaker (Bill Clinton and Mario Cuomo were mentioned) and letting all the interested parties duke it out in the election 2 years from now.

Not that Patterson can appoint someone until "Snipery" Hillary officially vacates her seat, but the delay has forced Caroline to speak without relying on her usual crutches. This works to Patterson's benefit as it allowed Caroline to commit political suicide, thereby giving him cover to move in another direction.

[Damien Evans]

She talks like a 14 year old...

[ponderingturtle]

There should be a special election rather than an appointment, but that's a seperate issue.

So when ever any seat becomes open it should mandate a special election? It will result in there being an open seat for much longer.

[ponderingturtle]

The point is that she is only being included at the top of the list of prospects because her father was JFK and her uncle is Ted. Of course she has control over using her family name for self aggrandizement. Caroline's family name was the only cache Obama valued in her endorsement of him. If she were Caroline Finkelstein do you think Obama would be pressuring Patterson to select her to fill "Snipery" Hillary's Senate seat?

ANd who would W be with out his dad?

[Cicero]

ANd who would W be with out his dad?

I do not want to see any more Bush's, Clinton's or Kennedy's occupying any political office.

But where would Bush 41 be without his father Prescott Bush? But all three Bush's did actually run for their elected positions.

[ponderingturtle]

I do not want to see any more Bush's, Clinton's or Kennedy's occupying any political office.

But where would Bush 41 be without his father Prescott Bush? But all three Bush's did actually run for their elected positions.

So you are not against her or her family getting this position as much as anyone getting appointed?

It would be about as wrong to promote someone from representing a district to a state.

I am not for her, I just don't see what the big deal is.

[Cicero]

So you are not against her or her family getting this position as much as anyone getting appointed?

It would be about as wrong to promote someone from representing a district to a state.

I am not for her, I just don't see what the big deal is.

Of course I am not a fan of the Kennedy clan, but even Patterson admits the obvious and still Caroline expects the political favor to Obama to pay off, and now.

Kennedy's "lack of elected experience does not help her,” he said, “but the point is, it's the combination of experiences I'll look at in terms of all the candidates, and also how balanced the ticket would look."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/01/08/caroline-kennedys-lack-of-experience-noted-by-new-yorks-governor/

And Cumo has now over taken Caroline in New York popularity polls:

December 9th
44/23 Kennedy

January 4th
54/34 Cuomo

"Last month almost twice as many Democrats said they wanted to see Kennedy appointed to the Senate as said they preferred Cuomo. Now he has a 20 point advantage within the party"

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/01/kennedy-before-and-after.html


So how can Patterson justify selecting Camelot Caroline without admitting it is a political pay-off ala Blago bingo?

[gdnp]

So how can Patterson justify selecting Camelot Caroline without admitting it is a political pay-off ala Blago bingo?

By stating that after due consideration that he is choosing the person that he thinks is best for the job, rather than slavishly responding to popularity polls.

He may choose neither.

[Cicero]

By stating that after due consideration that he is choosing the person that he thinks is best for the job, rather than slavishly responding to popularity polls.

He may choose neither.

Imagine the press conference where Patterson announces that he has made his decision and says to the msm, "I carefully considered all the candidates interested in Hillary's vacated Senate seat and have offered the position to Caroline (Carolyn)................Maloney."

That pause would be priceless.

[gdnp]

Imagine the press conference where Patterson announces that he has made his decision and says to the msm, "I carefully considered all the candidates interested in Hillary's vacated Senate seat and have offered the position to Caroline (Carolyn)................Maloney."

That pause would be priceless.

I don't think Patterson would have made it as far as he has in politics if he were that stupid.

[CptColumbo]

BTW wouldn't it be "Her Highness" if she is a princess?

[CptColumbo]

Almost all people have idiosyncracies when they speak. Some people it's as simple as "uh" (observe Johnathon Demme accepting his Oscar) others repeat the same word or phrase constantly "ya know." Personally, I have a habit of saying "it's like" frequently and calling someone "dude" when I'm talking to them. After some training and classes I've stopped doing it in formal settings and do it only in casual situations. Hopefully, the substance of what someone is saying is more important than their idiosyncracies when speaking to a group.

[Cicero]

Almost all people have idiosyncracies when they speak. Some people it's as simple as "uh" (observe Johnathon Demme accepting his Oscar) others repeat the same word or phrase constantly "ya know." Personally, I have a habit of saying "it's like" frequently and calling someone "dude" when I'm talking to them. After some training and classes I've stopped doing it in formal settings and do it only in casual situations. Hopefully, the substance of what someone is saying is more important than their idiosyncracies when speaking to a group.

Too bad Caroline didn't seek the same treatment that you did for your obnoxious speech habits. However, even if one subtracted the stupefying eccentricities from the mix, as the AP did, Caroline has not demonstrated any intelligence or perspicacity in her musings.

We are not talking about a speech impediment or stuttering that might undermine the content of the message. Caroline is just vapid and soporific.

[Cicero]

Camelot Caroline struggles to answer 10 year-old Damon Weaver's questions.

DW: "Do you think Senator Biden is long winded?"

CK: "Well, when I saw (sic) he wasn't"


DW: "What do you like to do for fun?"

CK: "I like to campaign for Barack Obama."

The "ah's" and "um's" swamped her two "you know's."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_SliWNgVZE

[Cicero]

As soon as "Snipery" Hillary is confirmed by the Senate tomorrow(?), Patterson will announce his decision. Aside from the famous quirky Camelot Caroline language lapses, the Village Voice exposes Patterson's odds on favorite as nothing more than a flake.


"The dissembling that misrepresents Kennedy's DOE service has been extended to every phase of her life. She told the Times: "I've written seven books—two on the Constitution, two on American politics." But she's penned only two (both with a co-author who is, unlike her, a legal scholar), and edited five others that were collections of everything from her mother's favorite poems to other writers' essays about political courage. She has repeatedly referred to herself as a lawyer in her recent appearances, though she's never practiced law and even let her registration with the Bar Association lapse for years.

Though she wrote in A Patriot's Handbook that "the day I feel most proud to be an American is not the Fourth of July, but Election Day," she's missed half of the elections since 1988. She even failed to vote in 1994 for her in-law Mario Cuomo, when at least four other Kennedys campaigned for Cuomo in the race of his life. She skipped the Democratic primary in 1989, when David Dinkins was the first black person nominated for mayor, and the general election in 2002, when Carl McCall was the first black person ever to appear on the statewide gubernatorial ballot as the candidate of a major party. She didn't vote when Liz Krueger broke the three-decade hold the GOP had on the East Side state senate district in two 2002 elections (a February special and a November general) that propelled Paterson to become minority leader later that year. Yet she expects the state's first black governor to put her in the Senate, ignoring the contradiction between her published declaration—written at the very same moment that she missed the 2002 election—that the "right to vote is perhaps the critical right in a democracy, an opportunity as well as an obligation."

http://www.villagevoice.com/2009-01-14/news/bloomberg-maneuvers-to-crown-a-kennedy/5

[Cicero]

Now that Camelot Caroline has supposedly dropped out of contention, and now that Obama is in the Oval Office, what will Caroline do for "fun?"

[mr rosewater]

Now that Camelot Caroline has supposedly dropped out of contention, and now that Obama is in the Oval Office, what will Caroline do for "fun?"

Ambassador to England?

[Jeff Corey]

CNN's Jeanne Moos just beat SNL to the punch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StARK-LbV6M&feature=related

Bad link. Try again.

[hgc]

Ambassador to England?


Uh ... yeah... On the other hand, I doubt the Brits have forgotten the views of her illustrious grandfather when he held that position.

[gdnp]

Now that Camelot Caroline has supposedly dropped out of contention, and now that Obama is in the Oval Office, what will Caroline do for "fun?"

Why should we care?

[Cicero]

Bad link. Try again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfCzBDXk8XM

[Cicero]

Why should we care?

I can only hope Camelot Caroline shares your sentiment.

[gdnp]

I can only hope Camelot Caroline shares your sentiment.

Why?

[Cicero]

Why?

Is that your Nancy Kerrigan impression?

[gdnp]

No, I'm just fascinated. Why the obsession with Caroline Kennedy? I imagine if we entered your room we would pictures of her covering your walls, with scrap books of newspaper clippings and copies of letters you had written her and never sent...

Best I can tell your two greatest interests are Caroline Kennedy and Barack Obama's dog.

Weird.

[Cicero]

No, I'm just fascinated. Why the obsession with Caroline Kennedy? I imagine if we entered your room we would pictures of her covering your walls, with scrap books of newspaper clippings and copies of letters you had written her and never sent...

Best I can tell your two greatest interests are Caroline Kennedy and Barack Obama's dog.

Weird.

Outside of Mayor Bloomberg and the professional Kennedy apologist, Ted Sorensen, you seem to be her most staunch defender. If I were to hazard a guess as to what adorns your walls, perhaps autographed 8x10's of death row convicts? Until the women decided to jump to the front of the line to take "Snipery" Hillary's seat, she was not on my radar.

Obama does not have a dog, yet.

[gdnp]

Outside of Mayor Bloomberg and the professional Kennedy apologist, Ted Sorensen, you seem to be her most staunch defender.

Here is a list of my posts which mention her:


I do not believe Caroline has effectively made the case for why she is the right person for the job. This interview does nothing to convince me otherwise.

Her biggest problem is her resume would barely fill a page. And half of that would be KENNEDY in 48 pt. type

Her second biggest problem is that she lacks the oratorical skills of her more famous relatives.

Ted certainly blew the Mudd interview, but at least he can deliver a rousing speech. Caroline can't even pass the hurdle of delivering prepared remarks competently.

By stating that after due consideration that he is choosing the person that he thinks is best for the job, rather than slavishly responding to popularity polls.

He may choose neither.

I don't think Patterson would have made it as far as he has in politics if he were that stupid.

Why should we care?

Why?

Perhaps you could point out through which post(s), and through what leap of logic, you concluded that I am a defender of Caroline Kennedy's senatorial bid?

Obama does not have a dog, yet.
Somehow, it does not surprise me that you know that. How many times a day do you check?

[Cicero]

Here is a list of my posts which mention her:

Perhaps you could point out through which post(s), and through what leap of logic, you concluded that I am a defender of Caroline Kennedy's senatorial bid?

Somehow, it does not surprise me that you know that. How many times a day do you check?

Are you obsessed with Camelot Caroline? Did you happen to notice all the msm attention to the Obama children's wardrobe at the inauguration? Why would you imagine I would need to check the msm when the day the Obama dog arrives at The White House will be a ubiquitous story.

[gdnp]

Are you obsessed with Camelot Caroline?No Did you happen to notice all the msm attention to the Obama children's wardrobe at the inauguration?No. I saw a few references to Michelle's dress in the local paper (which I attributed to it having been designed by a NJ designer) but none to the kids. Why would you imagine I would need to check the msm when the day the Obama dog arrives at The White House will be a ubiquitous story.I guess that would depend on which sources you read.

You still have not answered the question: Why did you claim that I am a Caroline Kennedy supporter, when I have never made a statement of even luke-warm support?