Evolution of immaterialism-sources?

[Suezoled]

Anything on the evolution of thought for those who subscribe to immaterialism?

[Yahweh]

I think the evolution of thought would be better described by the materialist position of natural selection, brains gradually becoming more effiecient over time, and all us heathen Materialists boogying down with da man wit da mad Skills, Darwin, when we's all go to HELL!

Casual question...
The definition of immaterialism that I am familiar with from dictionary.com is very much different from that which the various immaterialist poster's views of reality are. Ummm... I need a re-definition of Immaterial beliefs, could someone lend a hand?

[hammegk]

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14229a.htm

Take what you want; leave the rest. :D

[Interesting Ian]

Originally posted by hammegk
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14229a.htm

Take what you want; leave the rest. :D

Good link hammegk! I especially agree with the following.


The line of reasoning adopted by Berkeley against Materialism has never met with any real answer from the latter. If we were compelled to choose between the two, the most extreme Idealistic Materialism would be incomparably the more logical creed to hold. Mind is more intimately known than matter, ideas are more ultimate than molecules. External bodies are only known in terms of consciousness. To put forward as a final explanation that thought is merely a motion or property of certain bodies, when all bodies are, in the last resort, only revealed to us in terms of our thinking activity, is justly stigmatized by all classes of Spiritualists as utterly irrational. When the Materialist or Sensationist reasons out his doctrine, he is landed in hopeless absurdity. Materialism is in fact the answer of the men who do not think, who are apparently quite unaware of the presuppositions which underlie all science.


Are you reading this Aussie Thinker? I hope so, you might actually learn something :D

Hmmmm . . in fact I might use the last sentence as a sig.

[Unas]

Originally posted by Interesting Ian
Mind is more intimately known than matter, ideas are more ultimate than molecules.
Someone kindly explain what the frell "ideas are more ultimate than molecules" means. That's pure gibberish. The very concept of "more ultimate" is nonsense.

Materialism is in fact the answer of the men who do not think...
Well, it's easy to see why Ian likes that one. It's just one of his fellow navel-gazers proclaiming that anyone who disagrees must be stoooopid. Ian pukes up that self-congratulatory donkey doodoo about every third post these days, doesn't he?

It boils down to this, folks: It does not matter whether materialism is right or wrong. Those who prefer to deal with the world as it presents itself are the ones who will accomplish what needs to be done. Materialists build the houses, find the vaccines, put out the fires, discover the far galaxies. Navel-gazers like Ian and Hammegk are the useless eaters who sit on their butts wondering if everything they see is real or not, and accomplish nothing worthwhile in the process. If they and their kind are happy being useless, that's their privilege. If one of them gets run over by a nonexistent bus tomorrow, there's not a materialist in the world who should shed a single tear for them.

[fishbob]

Unas - stop beating around the bush and tell us what you really think.:biggrin:

[hammegk]

Originally posted by Unas


It boils down to this, folks: It does not matter whether materialism is right or wrong. Those who prefer to deal with the world as it presents itself are the ones who will accomplish what needs to be done. Materialists build the houses, find the vaccines, put out the fires, discover the far galaxies. Navel-gazers like Ian and Hammegk are the useless eaters who sit on their butts wondering if everything they see is real or not, and accomplish nothing worthwhile in the process. If they and their kind are happy being useless, that's their privilege. If one of them gets run over by a nonexistent bus tomorrow, there's not a materialist in the world who should shed a single tear for them.

Feel better now, sonny? Maybe mommie will kiss it & make it better?

[T'ai Chi]

Originally posted by Unas

Materialists build the houses, find the vaccines, put out the fires, discover the far galaxies.

Really?

I think you'd have to show that these house-builders, vaccine finders, fire put-outers, and galaxy discoverers are all materialists. I doubt it!

[Chad Noles]

Unas wrote:
Materialists build the houses, find the vaccines, put out the fires, discover the far galaxies. Navel-gazers like Ian and Hammegk are the useless eaters who sit on their butts wondering if everything they see is real or not, and accomplish nothing worthwhile in the process.

Ever wonder why people aren’t still driving Ford Pinto’s,living in only 60’s ranch houses,or watching B&W TV?I think it is because some designer came up with a better idea of how to improve these products.The concept of CD’s and DVD’s came about before these items were made.Now,don’t get me wrong,the ideas by themselves don’t do much.It’s rather hard to play a DVD on a player if you don’t have one.The point is that a critical thinker sees that BOTH ideas(concepts) and materials must come together in the advancement and improvement of goods and services.Neither can stand alone with any success.I hope that we can put away all this bickering over who’s right and who’s wrong,to realize that without the other side,both are incomplete.