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Magyar
27th January 2009, 10:10 AM
So this is another installment of the "do the rich pay too much or not enough taxes".

My knowledge of economics is limited and my bias is most definitely leaning towards
agreeing with Johnston.


Invade the Caymans
In 1983 just 10 percent of America's corporate profits were funneled through places that charge little or no corporate income tax; today more than 25 percent of profits go through tax havens. The Obama administration could tell the Caymans—now fifth in the world in bank deposits—to repeal its bank secrecy laws or be invaded; since the island nation's total armed forces consists of about 300 police officers, it shouldn't be hard for technicians and auditors, accompanied by a few Marines, to fly in and seize all the records. Bermuda, which relies on the Royal Navy for its military, could be next, and so on. Long before we get to Switzerland and Luxembourg, their governments should have gotten the message.

Barring gunboat diplomacy (tempting as it is), there is no reason we cannot pass laws to block financial transactions with tax havens or even, Cuba-style, make it a crime for Americans to visit or do business with them without special permission. Congress could declare the hiding of funds a threat to national security and require that anyone with offshore assets disclose them to the irs within 30 days and pay taxes, interest, and penalties within 180 days. For the holdouts, temporary special teams in the irs and Justice Department could speedily pursue civil or criminal charges.


http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2009/01/fiscal-therapy.html

According to Johnston the tax inequity in the US is about 1 Billion dollars PER DAY - that is to say that the ultra rich especially, pay that much LESS of the taxes they should based on current laws.



Did you know that the sales taxes you pay at most Wal-Marts go not to your state or local government, but instead pay back the cost of building the store? Sales-tax givebacks, as well as exemptions from property taxes, can amount to an extra 9 percent profit for retailers that extract concessions from local governments.

This was another interesting bit. He was also on NPR today and talked about how this also applies to most newly built mega malls and utility companies! While I as a small business owner who has a web presence have to deal with states 100 - 1000s of miles from me where I've never been and don't intend to go who want me to pay license and tax cert fees and collect local sales tax from me because I sold one widget to one customer in 5 years.


As I said, I don't know that much about economics so I don't know if Johnston is wrong or on what counts. There seems to be a lot of people on this forum who, from what I understand, totally dissagree with Johnston.

Can any of you point me to a clear easy to read rebuttle that ISN'T the debunked trickle down theory in drag?

theprestige
28th January 2009, 01:26 PM
If we're going to run around invading sovreign nations to loot their wealth, I guess I can see how going after the weakest animals in the herd might be a good strategy.

While we're at it, can we strongarm Saudi Arabia for its oil? Maybe Venezuela, too? Annex Canada? I hear Brazil has a lot of biomass; that could probably come in handy.

Magyar
28th January 2009, 07:49 PM
hmm, Are you being deliberately obtuse or did you just not read the article?

Invasion is just a hyperbole to point out the fact that the cayman islands along with several other Carib nations is a known tax haven. These countries deliberately look the other way while foreign (to them) corps. that by all rights should be US corporations and the richest of the rich private individuals use their banking system to hide and steal money!


We basically invaded Panama to capture Noriega to "stop" drug trafficing. US corps hide and steal money from you and me - tax evasion is a theft against the people because it robs us of resources - yes you can argue about the tax table etc but that's another thread -. The Cayman IS and others use bank privacy and other laws to aid and abed US corps to steal money. I don't see how this is any different then going after Noriega because he supplied US drug dealers with product.


These overseas banks supply US corporations and the wealthy with the means and services to steal US funds. Your straw man about Saudi and Brazil is just that. Their resources are THEIRS. The money being funneled through these banks is NOT theirs! It belongs - or at least the taxes and what ever fines and penalties may apply on the money that is being hidden there - to the people of the United States!

Under the pretext of "privacy" they refuse to assist the U S govt in discovering/disclosing the money that they hide for US corps/the rich so they do not have to pay taxes. For this "service" they make a profit. I am no lawyer, but isn't activities like this fall directly under such things as conspiracy to embezzle and the RICO statues???