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The Professor
8th February 2009, 10:29 AM
I request that the JREF immediately release all of the emails between Alison Smith and David Koenig as a matter of public record as promised by James Randi of the JREF MDC. Full disclosure of the record!
It is obvious that this evidence is being repressed, edited or deleted.
This must stop!
Please release the email evidence for all to see!

jsfisher
8th February 2009, 11:07 AM
I request that the JREF immediately release all of the emails between Alison Smith and David Koenig as a matter of public record as promised by James Randi of the JREF MDC. Full disclosure of the record!

Just were in the MDC do you see that?

It is obvious that this evidence is being repressed, edited or deleted.
This must stop!
Please release the email evidence for all to see!

The only thing obvious has more to do with evidence being fabricated. Still, aren't you in a position to implement full disclosure? You have all the email evidence, so why not release it yourself?

William Smith
8th February 2009, 11:33 AM
I request that the JREF immediately release all of the emails between Alison Smith and David Koenig as a matter of public record as promised by James Randi of the JREF MDC. Full disclosure of the record!

Have you sent this inquiry to the JREF Staff? Have you explained to them on what grounds or rules this seems justified, nay: Mandatory?

It is obvious that this evidence is being repressed, edited or deleted.
This must stop!

Do you have evidence for this allegation?

Please release the email evidence for all to see!

As jsfisher said, you should have the entire correspondence between yourself and the JREF, right?

The Professor
8th February 2009, 11:39 AM
JSFISHER ...Randi says it himself MANY TIMES!!!!!
Here's my favorite time, but there are many others from which to choose. Isn't Randi's word good any more?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMrgr1yR3k0&feature=related

Randi says all the documentation on my challenge is free to be seen any time you want to see it. Randi's own words at 3:30

The Professor
8th February 2009, 12:21 PM
I just requested the information directly from Randi himself on the phone!
We'll see if he keeps his word.

The Professor
8th February 2009, 12:25 PM
Originally Posted by The Professor
I request that the JREF immediately release all of the emails between Alison Smith and David Koenig as a matter of public record as promised by James Randi of the JREF MDC. Full disclosure of the record!

Have you sent this inquiry to the JREF Staff? Have you explained to them on what grounds or rules this seems justified, nay: Mandatory?
_______________________________________________

I've just spoken with James Randi himself on the phone and requested the information and it's release.
We'll see if he's a man of his word.


I would like the printed emails made public. I have been instructed to not post the ones I've posted here by the powers that be until they can get together with the JREF.
I'd like them made public from the JREF side so there is no claim that I've altered them in some way.

I have no problem publishing them myself, but I'd like to see if the JREF will do as they have promised.

al_capone_junior
8th February 2009, 12:33 PM
As jsfisher said, you should have the entire correspondence between yourself and the JREF, right?

*Yawn* here we go again...:mgbanghead

Same old same old with these people every time. Of course the professor has the correspondence between HIMSELF and Randi.

I have a more interesting question, and possibly a CT while we're at it:

are highflyertoo and the professor are the same person?

(theme from the twilight zone plays in background) :alien009:

gnome
8th February 2009, 12:34 PM
What do you expect these emails will demonstrate?

jsfisher
8th February 2009, 12:37 PM
Randi says all the documentation on my challenge is free to be seen any time you want to see it. Randi's own words at 3:30

That wasn't your claim though. So, either support your claim from the opening post or retract it.

jsfisher
8th February 2009, 12:39 PM
What do you expect these emails will demonstrate?

He's trying to "prove" the protocol he designed all my himself has been stolen.

The Professor
8th February 2009, 12:40 PM
What do you expect these emails will demonstrate?
Deception by Alison Smith.

al_capone_junior
8th February 2009, 01:08 PM
Randi says all the documentation on my challenge is free to be seen any time you want to see it. Randi's own words at 3:30

**YAWN **

Notice no link provided.

My HFT theory gains credibility... :alien011:

gnome
8th February 2009, 01:17 PM
Deception by Alison Smith.

Any particular deception? Is there a dispute over who said what?

desertgal
8th February 2009, 01:24 PM
I've just spoken with James Randi himself on the phone and requested the information and it's release.
We'll see if he's a man of his word.

Wow. You gave the JREF three whole hours to release the entire correspondence, before you called Randi. What a sport. :rolleyes:

I'd like them made public from the JREF side so there is no claim that I've altered them in some way.

Did someone actually claim that? Or are you just throwing a hissy pre-fit?

I have no problem publishing them myself, but I'd like to see if the JREF will do as they have promised.

Does that mean, three hours from now, you'll be screaming that they didn't?

al_capone_junior
8th February 2009, 01:45 PM
The professor could just publish them himself. If there was any foul cry of his altering them, you can be damn sure someone would quickly speak up. But the professor won't publish them. This is just a pointless diversion, which I've come to discover is quite typical in this type of situation. QUITE.

:deadhorse

:bs:

:pigsfly

:alien009:

:drool:

William Smith
8th February 2009, 01:58 PM
Deception by Alison Smith.

Can you be more specific?



Also, in the future, please try to use the quote button properly.

yairhol
8th February 2009, 02:12 PM
All hell has broken loose with TP.
He's becoming more and more incomprehensible from thread to thread.
What is he talking about now?
which record does he want released? Is he a singer or something like that? Does he have a band and did they record something to be released?
And just for the record (pun intended) they're called CDs or albums today.

The Professor
8th February 2009, 02:37 PM
Any particular deception? Is there a dispute over who said what?

I have posted a link to a video that shows the facts (Not taken by me but placed on youtube)

About three days later Alison Smith directly contradicts that evidence in an email to me.

It would be a dishonest thing if the an administrator of the JREF MDC was to knowingly give an applicant false information wouldn't it? Or do you think that is OK?

So yes ... the JREF has claimed to have always been truthful with me and this proves that is false.

H3LL
8th February 2009, 02:58 PM
In circumstances where the JREF are presented with a supposed MDC applicant that demonstrably has no intention of pursuing any claim or protocol and also demonstrates that their intentions are purely to garner publicity by any means, up to and including lying. Also, where the supposed MDC applicant snipes at and defames anyone associated with the JREF at every available opportunity...

Wouldn't the JREF be best advised to tell that applicant to only contact them through their lawyer and close their forum account?

I see little point in pandering to the whims and machinations of such a person.

The Professor
8th February 2009, 03:02 PM
So you are running for your lawyers now? :)

That's what criminals do, not Skeptics ....

Can't be!

I wish I could post these emails but the powers that be won't let me. I tried.

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Why is the JREF afraid of these emails?

Jeff Wagg
8th February 2009, 03:04 PM
I spoke with Randi. He didn't know who you were, and when I reminded him, he was unimpressed.

You have all the e-mail. You've posted it here and elsewhere. What is it that you are asking for?

As for the applicants not being permitted to skip the first phase of the challenge, Alison is correct: we don't waive that for anyone.

However, Randi on occasion has tried to entice reluctant people to take the challenge by telling them that they can skip the preliminary. That is his prerogative, and I've never seen him do it upon request.

RemieV and I do not have the authority to waive that requirement for anyone. Your failure to understand this is baffling.


I have posted a link to a video that shows the facts (Not taken by me but placed on youtube)

About three days later Alison Smith directly contradicts that evidence in an email to me.

It would be a dishonest thing if the an administrator of the JREF MDC was to knowingly give an applicant false information wouldn't it? Or do you think that is OK?

So yes ... the JREF has claimed to have always been truthful with me and this proves that is false.

Azrael 5
8th February 2009, 03:07 PM
Request for The Professor to change the record!

:D

But failing that I've got my popcorn for another 25 pages of nonsense!

H3LL
8th February 2009, 03:11 PM
So you are running for your lawyers now? :)

That's what criminals do, not Skeptics ....


What are you talking about?

Who are you saying it to?

jhunter1163
8th February 2009, 03:20 PM
Why doesn't the Professor post them elsewhere?

I have my ideas... but it would be cynical of me to post them.

desertgal
8th February 2009, 03:23 PM
So you are running for your lawyers now? :)

That's what criminals do, not Skeptics ....


What are you talking about? This...

oin Date: Aug 2001
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Your post has been moved from public view until the content has been discussed with the JREF. Please do not attempt to repost the content until you hear from me.

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...says nothing about lawyers. Whom are you addressing?

I wish I could post these emails but the powers that be won't let me. I tried.

Doesn't say that either. Do you want me to post the definition of the word "until", or would you prefer to look it up yourself?

(This is like trying to discuss something with Rain Man.)

I've just spoken with James Randi himself on the phone and requested the information and it's release. We'll see if he's a man of his word.
I spoke with Randi. He didn't know who you were, and when I reminded him, he was unimpressed.

Wow, I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall for that conversation.

Randi: Hello?
TP: This is Dave Koenig. The Professor.
Randi: Who?
TP: I'd like the JREF to release all emails. Between me and Alison Smith. About my application for the MDC. Because she may have been deceptive about my being deceptive. Or she may in the future. It's unclear. And you said on a video at 3:30 that all MDC correspondence is open to the public...yadda yadda yadda, blah, blah, blah...
Randi: Who is this again?

William Smith
8th February 2009, 03:35 PM
The Professor seems bent on perfecting his "saying something but not really saying it" schtick.

We have lots of evidence in this very forum that he either does not have the ability - Rain Man - or simply - and very likely - not the intention of having a intellectually honest discussion.

Either way, we should let the JREF Staff and the Admin Team handle it. Those overpayed fatcats...

desertgal
8th February 2009, 03:41 PM
Either way, we should let the JREF Staff and the Admin Team handle it. Those overpayed fatcats...

Fair enough. Hopefully, they can figure out what TP is saying...

ravdin
8th February 2009, 04:07 PM
I never cease to be amazed at how people seem to think that the JREF is the final word in supernatural phenomenae. If you really have powers, contact your local paper. Get yourself published. Find a scientist or psychologist at your local university who will be willing to do an experiment with you. If you really deserve the prize, getting noticed elsewhere shouldn't be much trouble for you. Then Randi will be unable to ignore you or your claims.

Azrael 5
8th February 2009, 04:16 PM
This post from Magic Cafe:
Posted: Feb 7, 2009 8:31am http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/images/quote.gif (http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/reply.php?topic=297376&forum=251&post=5964094&quote=1) http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/images/profile.gif (http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/bb_profile.php?mode=view&user=24412)

Oh but they did start a new nice, give her a pat on the back thread in the same forum. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=134940 (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=134940)

I see some real ethical legal problems with not just the show and her involvment but Slims/Daves being booted from the million dollar challenge.

She had to have been working for the JREF at the same time she was working and dealing with the producers of the show.
(How strange her interactions with Dave now look in this new light)

Just my opinion of course but one that is based upon truth and not lets base this on what I feel.

Y'all have a good day,

Jim

So it seems(as usual) The Prof got the notion his MDC claim had been stolen from Jim Callahan.
Reading the thread http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=297376&forum=251&start=90 leaves me wondering of the sad lives of people in that thread.Glad I aren't a member any longer.

desertgal
8th February 2009, 05:06 PM
This post from Magic Cafe:


So it seems(as usual) The Prof got the notion his MDC claim had been stolen from Jim Callahan.
Reading the thread http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=297376&forum=251&start=90 leaves me wondering of the sad lives of people in that thread.Glad I aren't a member any longer.

I especially like "I see some real ethical legal problems...". Coming from Callahan, that's hilarious.

arthwollipot
8th February 2009, 05:19 PM
So you are running for your lawyers now? :)

That's what criminals do, not Skeptics ....It's also what people do who have been libelled.

tkingdoll
8th February 2009, 05:25 PM
This post from Magic Cafe:


So it seems(as usual) The Prof got the notion his MDC claim had been stolen from Jim Callahan.
Reading the thread http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=297376&forum=251&start=90 leaves me wondering of the sad lives of people in that thread.Glad I aren't a member any longer.

Good. Grief. That's some extraordinary and deeply strange paranoia. Alison has been promoting the show (as have others) for ages, in fact as soon as the listing went up. The TV listing was incorrect and presumably someone contacted them to point it out, and it's now been amended.

Is there any part of this that isn't normal standard stuff? How on earth can anyone extrapolate a cover-up from it? How can you cover up being on television?

I am utterly baffled. Television show marketing routinely 'glams things up' and sometimes they overdo it. If Alison turns believer in the show then they wouldn't have changed the listing.

*facepalm*

fuelair
8th February 2009, 05:30 PM
I request that the JREF immediately release all of the emails between Alison Smith and David Koenig as a matter of public record as promised by James Randi of the JREF MDC. Full disclosure of the record!
It is obvious that this evidence is being repressed, edited or deleted.
This must stop!
Please release the email evidence for all to see!
The forum is really the wrong place to make your request. The fact that you are doing so given the time you have spent at JREF tends to indicate games playing - not a good sign of pure intent on your part. Should probably point out also that you have no evidence of any kind of what you are calling obvious nor am I aware of any law/agreement or contract stating you have a right to anything.

fromdownunder
8th February 2009, 08:04 PM
Why is the JREF afraid of these emails?

You were supposed to take one of the blue pills today, not two of the green ones.

Norm

arthwollipot
8th February 2009, 08:06 PM
JREF Forum <> JREF.

MattC
9th February 2009, 01:38 AM
I hate to be a downer on this, but aren't the e-mails between Ms. Smith and Mr. Koenig already available?

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=122607

~ Matt

Azrael 5
9th February 2009, 04:03 AM
I hate to be a downer on this, but aren't the e-mails between Ms. Smith and Mr. Koenig already available?

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=122607

~ Matt
From reading the green monster there is an email exchange between Koneig and Alison where she states no-one is allowed to skip the preliminary for MDC,yet he cliams the JREF did just that on this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0afkcMHOiOg&feature=related
He claims this is the emil he isn't allowed to post.Which incidentally has comments pwning TP as well! :D

RoboTimbo
9th February 2009, 06:15 AM
From reading the green monster there is an email exchange between Koneig and Alison where she states no-one is allowed to skip the preliminary for MDC,yet he cliams the JREF did just that on this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0afkcMHOiOg&feature=related
He claims this is the emil he isn't allowed to post.Which incidentally has comments pwning TP as well! :D


Has there ever been an email exchange where The Professor hasn't been utterly and completely pwned?

At the green monster he gave a link to the posts in AAH here and claimed that was evidence that his thread was closed. I pointed to the actual (now moderated) thread to show he is a liar. And also pointed out the reason the thread was put on moderated status was because of his own derails. I also pointed to the very next posting after it went on moderated status to show that members could still post to it and it was open for all to see.

He posted again saying that JREF was covering up and the thread was closed and locked. I pointed to the new thread that I had started about the very subject.

He posted again about Allison changing her website. I pointed to Jeff Wagg's post showing that to be an outright lie also.

I forget whose turn it is to pwn him this week, probably multiple people.

Foolmewunz
9th February 2009, 07:16 AM
TP,
Apparently in your world you have difficulty discerning the difference between the JREF and the JREF Forum.

H3LL is a poster on the forum, not a member of the JREF staff. And H3LL is the poster who suggested that the JREF should only talk to you through their lawyers. Note the word "suggested".

And you jump all over it with accusations of this opinion of this one member here as proof of guilt.

The only person in this thread who can speak for the JREF is Jeff Wagg. You can tell his post because it says Jeff Wagg on it.

Now you toddle off to Jim and tell him how mean we've been. And you post away on any other site which will put up with you, m'kay? We act like we haven't been through this song and dance with you. Posting nonsense and saying it's proof of, well,... something.


ETA: I never thought I'd say it, because it's been such a part of Randi and the JREF, but I can see arguments in favor of doing away with the challenge. You applicants just aren't all that much fun any longer. The claims are stupid and the behaviour is juvenille and petulant.

Moochie
9th February 2009, 07:49 AM
I never cease to be amazed at how people seem to think that the JREF is the final word in supernatural phenomenae. If you really have powers, contact your local paper. Get yourself published. Find a scientist or psychologist at your local university who will be willing to do an experiment with you. If you really deserve the prize, getting noticed elsewhere shouldn't be much trouble for you. Then Randi will be unable to ignore you or your claims.

I've lost count of how many times I've said this very thing. It's almost as if, by definition, applicants for the MDC are unmitigated scamsters.

It's my contention if any of these people had anything to show, they would have shown it to the world at large, like Edward, Browne, Van Praagh, and all the rest. Edward, Browne, van Praagh et al will never put themselves in a position to be scientifically tested because their scams make them far more than the MDC's paltry million. Being tested would kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.


M.

Chris H
9th February 2009, 08:49 PM
The latest couple of Koenig's posts over at The Magic Cafe made me laugh out loud. Hope they does the same for you.



On 2009-02-09 21:10, Psychic Samurai wrote:
Entity ... Alison Smith's exact words were ...."Additionally, we do not allow anyone to skip the preliminary Challenge test." (Post #2) when just a few days earlier they attempted to do it for Graham Watkins.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=122607
(Quoted on their own site)

In the same video that I've referred to, James Randi NAMES an actual case where this was done! (Listen at 5:00 and on) He also mentions Alison's name. She is there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0afkcMHOiOg&feature=related
(Posted by a Pro Randi videographer)

It appears as obvious deception to me!
What do you think?




On 2009-02-09 22:15, Psychic Samurai wrote:
But Magnus ..... She said ANYONE.

That's a big word when there is a $1,000,000.00 at stake.

She is in charge of the challenge at this point and a member of the JREF proper. I have spent a great deal of time and money on my Application, Media presence, Academic Approval, Claim, and Protocol development. I was, and still am, very serious about the Challenge (It's a Million Dollars !!!!!)
If she convinces me (By Lying) not to continue with my challenge or disqualifies me, The JREF (Alison included) will be awarded the Million hands down. (It is NOT their money and it never has been)

But you do agree John, that it IS A FALSEHOOD?
(Regardless of her reason for messing up)



Cheers,

Chris

Azrael 5
10th February 2009, 02:07 AM
Does anyone over there actually agree with him anymore?! He's out on a limb it seems.

Azrael 5
10th February 2009, 02:25 AM
No wish to be off topic and incur more MOD warnings so someone move htis if needed.More ranting from Callahan and promise of another Youtube video(can' hardly wait!)

Well to tell ya'll a bit of my truth.

My test challenge was predicated upon what Slim/Dave is exposing now.

I saw it with Uri and Sylvia luckily our guy caught even more recent examples at DragonCon.

My personal opinion is they are protecting their pay check or payday as you may see it or not.

They get the cash if it is not given out.
Why would they ever really let a person test through in such a biased system?

The way I see it they pushed Dave out at the same time the girl was working to set up a straw man to knock down on a TV show.
But she knew of a real man who would not and could not be knocked down.
Yep they are all about ethics at the JREF.
(Just ask them).

I will be posting a video about this in the next couple of days.

No way this should be a tax exempt group. They are in my opinion
running a swindle just the same as any other cult might.
They have just not yet been caught out.

Tic, Toc wait untill the other shoe drops.

J im


http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=297376&forum=251&start=90

Who wants to bet his video will be pointless? Just like his halloween show.

chillzero
10th February 2009, 03:45 AM
Again, do not use this forum, and particularly this section, to pursue personal issues with or from other boards. Please keep your posts on topic - which appears to be the record of communication between The Professor and the JREF,and how it relates to his (now closed) claim.

Keep it civil - and on topic.

Seanrmr
10th February 2009, 04:44 AM
So this thread is about all emails between David Koenig and Alison Smith up until the 19th of september as after that time Jeff Wagg was then in charge of that particular application. So the last post by Remiev in the thread http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=122607 that contained there correspondence is the 11th of September so was there any emails that should have been put up within that 8 day period. Otherwise all the emails are in that thread.

Edited to say that while reviewing the original application thread it seems the emails did end on the 11th that was a painful reread.

The Professor
10th February 2009, 02:47 PM
I have given the JREF the opportunity to post the emails requested. They have refused this far!
Randi says .."We have all of the documentation, and it's free to be seen any time you want to see it" .... Well...... I WAN'T TO SEE IT !!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMrgr1yR3k0&feature=related

Is Randi a man of his word or just spouting BS?

Azrael 5
10th February 2009, 03:13 PM
I have given the JREF the opportunity to post the emails requested. They have refused this far!
Randi says .."We have all of the documentation, and it's free to be seen any time you want to see it" .... Well...... I WAN'T TO SEE IT !!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMrgr1yR3k0&feature=related

Is Randi a man of his word or just spouting BS?

Look in your inbox maybe? You sent emails,Alison replied,you saw them.End of story.
No-one lese cares.:rolleyes:

That youtube link doesnt seem to work.

desertgal
10th February 2009, 03:20 PM
.... Well...... I WAN'T TO SEE IT !!!!!!!!!


You've already seen it. It was sent to you and by you. Go look at your saved correspondence, and you can see it again any time you want.

Chris H
10th February 2009, 03:21 PM
Chilling...I'm sure Randi is shivering in his booties.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOSyIEj1QtU

MattC
10th February 2009, 03:27 PM
I have given the JREF the opportunity to post the emails requested. They have refused this far!
Randi says .."We have all of the documentation, and it's free to be seen any time you want to see it" .... Well...... I WAN'T TO SEE IT !!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMrgr1yR3k0&feature=related

Is Randi a man of his word or just spouting BS?

Again, have they not done so already?

~ Matt

Azrael 5
10th February 2009, 03:29 PM
Having watched the you tube video eventually.It boils down to this.Randi offered Graham Watkins a chance to skip prelimanry test,on THAT occasion.As a human being we are capable of understanding a social situation where a comment is made.Alison Smith was not lying,she was speaking from the rules.If Randi wishes to offer someone the skip as a "special offer" then it is something seperate.Way I see it at least.
You Dave wanted this special offer,sadly for you it wasn't granted.Ahh shame...

Azrael 5
10th February 2009, 03:34 PM
Post deleted.Chris has posted video.

jsfisher
10th February 2009, 03:42 PM
I have given the JREF the opportunity to post the emails requested. They have refused this far!
Randi says .."We have all of the documentation, and it's free to be seen any time you want to see it" .... Well...... I WAN'T TO SEE IT !!!!!!!!!


The bottom line is you are claiming the JREF is refusing to do, which it hasn't, something it promised to do, which it didn't, so you can see something which you already have seen.


Is Randi a man of his word or just spouting BS?

By my tally, Randi is doing just fine. You, The Professor, on the other hand, not so good.

RoboTimbo
10th February 2009, 03:42 PM
The Professor, maybe you could file an FOIA request? Alternatively, you could look in your Sent folder in Outlook.


ETA: You might also mention to the FOIA people that you were instrumental in helping crack a counterfeiting ring. That should establish your level of credibility.

Azrael 5
10th February 2009, 04:08 PM
I found this little nugget.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4063964#post4063964

Months ago it was made clear,you didn't cry then(suprisingly)so no use crying now.

William Smith
10th February 2009, 10:29 PM
...
.... Well...... I WAN'T TO SEE IT !!!!!!!!!
...

.... Well...... LOOK IN YOU'R E-MAIL CORRESPONDENCE !!!!!!!!!

nathan
11th February 2009, 01:55 AM
.... Well...... LOOK IN YOU'R E-MAIL CORRESPONDENCE !!!!!!!!!

Nominated: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4425473#post4425473 :)

UnrepentantSinner
11th February 2009, 02:50 AM
I never cease to be amazed at how people seem to think that the JREF is the final word in supernatural phenomenae. If you really have powers, contact your local paper. Get yourself published. Find a scientist or psychologist at your local university who will be willing to do an experiment with you. If you really deserve the prize, getting noticed elsewhere shouldn't be much trouble for you. Then Randi will be unable to ignore you or your claims.

I've lost count of how many times I've said this very thing. It's almost as if, by definition, applicants for the MDC are unmitigated scamsters.

It's my contention if any of these people had anything to show, they would have shown it to the world at large, like Edward, Browne, Van Praagh, and all the rest. Edward, Browne, van Praagh et al will never put themselves in a position to be scientifically tested because their scams make them far more than the MDC's paltry million. Being tested would kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.

Exactly. Why all the game playing, humbrage and innuendo?

Either poop or leave the commode. It's really that simple.

Azrael 5
11th February 2009, 04:48 AM
Why doesn't the Professor post them elsewhere?

I have my ideas... but it would be cynical of me to post them.

That's a darn good idea! So Professor post those emails on Magic Cafe or YouTube or your Myspace,backlink and we can all see the "deception"!

Alternatively carry on complaining for another 17 pages.:cool:
Man up? Or drink the kool Aid.

Chris H
11th February 2009, 03:02 PM
The thread he started (re: Alison's TV show) over at The Magic Cafe seems to have disappeared. Though I find it hard to believe he'll kick up the same fuss he did when the JREF closed (not deleted) the thread I started called "More Of Koenig's ************".


WOW...NEWS FLASH!!!!!
The JREF Forum has LOCKED DOWN their own thread!!!!!!!!
The HOAX has been exposed on their OWN WEBSITE!!!!!!
Fantastic news



Apparently it's OK for the Cafe to delete threads as they see fit, but when it happens over here, it must be some kind of giant conspiracy.

Cheers,

Chris

Azrael 5
11th February 2009, 04:12 PM
Is anyone suprised? Just goes to show the admin over at the green monster don't endorse his crazy rantings!!
He really is out on a limb now.The show is over.

desertgal
11th February 2009, 06:51 PM
The JREF Forum has LOCKED DOWN their own thread!!!!!!!!

I wonder if he even realizes how inane that comment actually is? A forum, locking their own thread...imagine that. :rolleyes:

William Smith
11th February 2009, 10:42 PM
I wonder if he even realizes how inane that comment actually is? A forum, locking their own thread...imagine that. :rolleyes:

If sports radio is any indication, hosts can spin the worst predictions into publicity - if they are smart enough. "Yeah, I picked the Lions to win the Super Bowl but their was fourth best in the league..."

Publicity, publicity, publicity.



And the MythBusters have shown that you [I]can polish a turd.

Azrael 5
12th February 2009, 02:52 AM
I think we've seen last of The Prof ,I would think he has run out of CT material now.
Still no proof of writers or EVP tellingly.

eirik
12th February 2009, 03:12 AM
Either poop or leave the commode. It's really that simple.

Haha!!! That's a disgusting and hilarious picture...

Reno
12th February 2009, 03:54 AM
The Professor = a hundred and eleventy one.

jmercer
12th February 2009, 04:26 AM
Since this thread seems to have devolved into a series of personal observations rather than discussion on the subject, I'm closing it.

Tricky
12th February 2009, 10:58 PM
In recognition of the importance of this topic, this thread has been reopened, but changed to "moderated" status. This means that the moderators or admins will have to approve and possibly edit any posts before they are allowed to appear here. Expect that posts that are off-topic or insulting will not be approved.

Thank you

Czarcasm
13th February 2009, 05:21 AM
The Professor, what emails are you requesting that you do not already possess?

William Smith
13th February 2009, 08:05 AM
The Professor, what emails are you requesting that you do not already possess?

Thnaks to the Mod Team for reopening this thread and I'd like to second Czarcasm's question.

Azrael 5
14th February 2009, 02:04 PM
Glad the thread is back open.Hopefully this can be addressed now.I'll third the question.