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[abr]

i close myself in a room with my friend ,he read a sentence or he write it on a paper ,i transmit the sentence at a nother friend which are in another room,i want your opinion if with experiment i win the million of james randi

[William Smith]

i close myself in a room with my friend ,he read a sentence or he write it on a paper ,i transmit the sentence at a nother friend which are in another room,i want your opinion if with experiment i win the million of james randi

Welcome to the Forum, abr. Yes, that would suffice.

Have you done this before successfully?

Have you read this (http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-application.html) and this? (http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-faq.html)

[0m3g4]

I think it also depends on how you "transmit" the sentence. Via phone? I can do that too. If, however, you are transmitting it telepathically, this should be an easily testable claim, which could win you the MDC. I'm really looking forward to your formal application/protocol.

[chillzero]

Welcome to the forum. I beleive there may have been a protocol already discussed or submitted for this type of claim, but I can't remember offhand who it was for. I'm sure Gzuz, Jackalgirl or one of the other regulars can probably give more details.

[NoZed Avenger]

Just to avoid confusion on this conversation: the posters on the forum, unless expressly stated otherwise, cannot speak for James Randi or the JREF regarding what protocals wil or will not work.

Good luck, however.

[roger]

Why is a friend in the room with you? That seems unnecessary. It also makes it trivial to cheat.

You need a sentence to be generated randomly, not by a friend. Are you saying the friend in the room with you makes up the sentences? If so, its easy to cheat just by the three of you getting together before the test and agreeing what the sentences will be.

Someone from outside the room, not a friend, needs to generate the sentences. They can be made up ahead of time by Randi, put in sealed envelopes, and then provided to you once you are in the room. If having the friend in the room helps your power, then fine, he can be there. But he does not, under any circumstances, get to make up the sentences to be transmitted.

[RoboTimbo]

i close myself in a room with my friend ,he read a sentence or he write it on a paper ,i transmit the sentence at a nother friend which are in another room,i want your opinion if with experiment i win the million of james randi

Hi abr and welcome to the forum. If you are claiming that you can 'transmit' using paranormal means, then yes, that sounds like it would qualify for the MDC.

The Challenge Application and FAQ are linked above. Do you have a media presence and can you have some disinterested professional vouch for having witnessed what you've done and that it is paranormal?

[dbalsdon]

I can't see how something like this wouldn't qualify for testing(if all other MDC rules are met)..

Does it have to be your friend in the other room, or could you 'transmit' the sentence/word/ to anyone?

[William Smith]

Guys, perhaps responding to five and more different posters might turn out to be a bit overwhelming for a newbie. We might have scared one or more would-be applicants in the past with justified but perceived incessive inquiring.

If everyone would agree, I would volunteer to lead the conversation with abr concerning his/her claim.

Do you trust my German efficiency coupled with my track record?

[RoboTimbo]

Guys, perhaps responding to five and more different posters might turn out to be a bit overwhelming for a newbie. We might have scared one or more would-be applicants in the past with justified but perceived incessive inquiring.

If everyone would agree, I would volunteer to lead the conversation with abr concerning his/her claim.

Do you trust my German efficiency coupled with my track record?

If we can't trust Gzuz, who can we trust? You may be my proxy but expect PM's from me.

[Lanzy]

Scare him off, let him stay, let the thread go to thousands of posts, he's not going to do it anyway.

[The Atheist]

Guys, perhaps responding to five and more different posters might turn out to be a bit overwhelming for a newbie. We might have scared one or more would-be applicants in the past with justified but perceived incessive inquiring.

If everyone would agree, I would volunteer to lead the conversation with abr concerning his/her claim.

Do you trust my German efficiency coupled with my track record?

Well said.

However, there is one glaringly obvious problem with the idea:

Scare him off, let him stay, let the thread go to thousands of posts, he's not going to do it anyway.

This is correct.

I get at least two e mails a week saying the same thing, or extremely close to it. I can understand why Randi has such a short fuse with these people - they're all full of it.

I simply reply, stop telling me fairytales and show me. Turn up at my place and show me what you can do, otherwise, **** off.

That has to be the standard answer doesn't it?

If you have a genuine paranormal ability, just stop talking and show me.

Apart from that, what else is there to discuss?

Who cares if he's had 10,000 witnesses and 5,000 trials? If you have a paranormal ability, it will be extremely easy to show the ability to independent observers. Just pony up and show the damned thing. And not on Youtube, either.

People making these claims are deluded, trolls or outright crazy. In the case of the OP, he could also be the butt of a joke.

But sure, if there's to be a respectful gatekeeper, you're the ideal bloke!

[CrikeyBobs]

Guys, perhaps responding to five and more different posters might turn out to be a bit overwhelming for a newbie. We might have scared one or more would-be applicants in the past with justified but perceived incessive inquiring.

If everyone would agree, I would volunteer to lead the conversation with abr concerning his/her claim.

Do you trust my German efficiency coupled with my track record?

I think this approach has its merits. A few forum representatives engage directly in conversation with the potential applicant, ensuring that important details are not lost, forgotten or overlooked. At the risk of straying into Forum Management territory, there could be a "shadow" thread for everyone else to discuss the claim, from which the reps can pick analysis, criticisms and suggestions to post in the main thread.

[petre]

I think this approach has its merits. A few forum representatives engage directly in conversation with the potential applicant, ensuring that important details are not lost, forgotten or overlooked. At the risk of straying into Forum Management territory, there could be a "shadow" thread for everyone else to discuss the claim, from which the reps can pick analysis, criticisms and suggestions to post in the main thread.

My own approach approximates that. If the most important things to look at first have already been addressed I don't add anything.

Well, other than a few words of encouragement.

Good luck! I hope you find what you seek!

[Moochie]

Why is a friend in the room with you? That seems unnecessary. It also makes it trivial to cheat.

You need a sentence to be generated randomly, not by a friend. Are you saying the friend in the room with you makes up the sentences? If so, its easy to cheat just by the three of you getting together before the test and agreeing what the sentences will be.

Someone from outside the room, not a friend, needs to generate the sentences. They can be made up ahead of time by Randi, put in sealed envelopes, and then provided to you once you are in the room. If having the friend in the room helps your power, then fine, he can be there. But he does not, under any circumstances, get to make up the sentences to be transmitted.


This looks too transparently stupid to be a genuine claimant. As you say, the friend can be present, but would not be the generator of whatever is to be "transmitted."


M.

[Moochie]

Guys, perhaps responding to five and more different posters might turn out to be a bit overwhelming for a newbie. We might have scared one or more would-be applicants in the past with justified but perceived incessive inquiring.

If everyone would agree, I would volunteer to lead the conversation with abr concerning his/her claim.

Do you trust my German efficiency coupled with my track record?


Be all right by me, but in the initial post there's already a glaring hole. Start from there.


M.

[abr]

i have a paranormal ability,and i want your opinion,sorry i d'ont speek very well english

[Moochie]

i have a paranormal ability,and i want your opinion,sorry i d'ont speek very well english


Welcome to the forum, abr. GzuzKryzt will most likely help you with your application. In the meantime, please read all the information pertaining to applicants for the MDC here (http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-application.html) and here (http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-faq.html).


M.

[William Smith]

i have a paranormal ability,and i want your opinion,sorry i d'ont speek very well english

Abr, we will try and work with your english. Please ask immediately if you have not understood anything so that we do not misunderstand each other.

If you indeed have a paranormal ability, will try and help you win the Prize.

Have you done what you said in your first post - transmitting sentences by paranormal means - before successfully?

Please read this (http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-application.html) and then read this. (http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-faq.html) These documents contain almost everything you need to know about the Million Dollar Challenge (MDC) and what you need to do to win it.

If you have read the two documents and have any questions, do not hesitate to ask them.

What is your first language? Perhaps we could help you get a good online dictionary.

[abr]

thank you for your assistance , i'm from algeria , i speak french,arabic and what i can of english, if you like we can do the experience by phone or camweb, my mail richar13@doctissimo.net

[William Smith]

thank you for your assistance , i'm from algeria , i speak french,arabic and what i can of english, if you like we can do the experience by phone or camweb, my mail richar13@doctissimo.net

A quick search found this dictionary. (http://www.lingvosoft.com/English-French-Dictionary/) And this one. (http://www.ectaco.co.uk/English-French-Dictionary/) Those two should help you.

I would like to communicate with you only in this thread, not via phone or camweb.

Have you read the two documents I linked to?

[fromdownunder]

GzuzKryzt, I will happily bow in and out of this thread after this single post, as I defer to your ability (and certainly also to most other members of this Board) to get a better result from a potential applicant than I possibly could. I do however have a however, and need to post it.

I have a sinking feeling from abr's posts that he/she possibly thinks that this is the place where things will be decided (due, no doubt to language barriers). I really think that the first thing that you need to do is make the potential applicant seriously aware that the forum and this thread have absolutely nothing to do with the formality of the challenge.

It would be unfair for the hopes of any applicant to be raised in that they think that they are possibly "getting somewhere" here, when "here" is nothing more than a discussion forum, and has nothing to do with the Challenge application or any future agreement with JREF.

Good luck - possibly baby steps required (although anybody like abr who is multilingual is sure as hell smarter than I am).

Norm

[abr]

i read the two documents,but i do not want to contact the press , and i'm a men

[0m3g4]

Without press coverage no million dollars. It's that simple.

[William Smith]

Without a media presence your application is not going to be accepted.

A media presence can mean a lot of things: An article in a newspaper, an article on a website, a book or a piece you have published, a TV interview by a local channel, an instructional tape, etc.
Practically anything that deals with your ability and can be viewed by the public in some medium.

Perhaps you could rethink your approach of not contacting the press.

Otherwise, I am afraid your quest for the Prize is over.

[Czarcasm]

Without press coverage no million dollars. It's that simple.
To abr-Was it your intent not to have any publicity at all if you happened to win the MDC?

[Pixel42]

i read the two documents,but i do not want to contact the press
I think it's important for you to understand why JREF introduced the media profile requirement. Essentially it's because they do not enjoy publicly humiliating sincere, well meaning people. The challenge was set up principally to call the bluff of professional confidence tricksters who deliberately take advantage of the credulity and gullibility of those not trained in critical thinking in order to cheat them out of their money. Unfortunately such people are adept at finding excuses not to take the challenge, so in practise the only applicants are people who sincerely - but wrongly - believe they have paranormal abilities. By introducing the media profile and academic endorsement requirements the hope is that such people will do the minimum self testing needed to obtain them, and in the process discover for themselves that their abilities are not what they thought, before they embarrass themselves by taking and failing a JREF test.

[abr]

i want to know if the number mdc want if i do the experience with my friend,

[abr]

i want to know if they accepts two person to make the experiment

[Startz]

i want to know if they accepts two person to make the experiment

There are some protocols JREF will accept involving multiple people and some protocols they will not accept.

The best thing to do is post a draft of your suggested protocol and then listen to suggestions. I think history shows that people who ask for general answers about what is acceptable never manage to work out a protocol.

I wonder if you were to post in French whether someone here might be willing to post informal translations to make it easier for you to get feedback.

[RoboTimbo]

If you need help in French, let me know. I'm rusty but serviceable.

[William Smith]

i want to know if the number mdc want if i do the experience with my friend,

I do not understand what this means. Please clarify, abr.

i want to know if they accepts two person to make the experiment

As far as I know the challenge claim must be made by one single person. The test also will only test the one single person who made the claim.

i read the two documents,but i do not want to contact the press , and i'm a men

I recommend you take one step at a time, namely: Have you decided how to get the required media profile?

Let me be clear: Without a media profile, your application will not be accepted. Do you understand this?

[Pantaz]

i want to know if they accepts two person to make the experiment
i want to know if the number mdc want if i do the experience with my friend,

Specific questions about the Million Dollar Challenge should be sent to challenge@randi.org

[Jackalgirl]

One person makes the application. For example, you.

You can stipulate how many people you need in order to show your abilities. If you need your friend, put that in your proposal. If you would like more people to observe -- to make sure that no one is cheating -- that's okay too.

I am very sure that the JREF will not waive the media requirement. That is, they will not drop this rule for you. I don't speak for the JREF, so Pantaz is right: you will need to write challenge@randi.org.

Remember: you will also need a signed, written, and notarized statement from an academic person (a professor or a doctor, for example) stating that they have observed you and your friend and have no normal explanation for what has happened. I do not think that the JREF will allow you to not do this, either (but again, ask at challenge@randi.org if this is going to be a big problem).

Please let RoboTimbo help with translation (or hire or find a translator). It will make things a lot easier. Most importantly, you must understand all of the rules. This is very, very important. Gzuz is also very experienced with the MDC and can be a big help to you.

I look forward to reading more about your claim!

[abr]

i explain the unfolding of the experience,i close myself in a room with the number of james randi administration ,he says a sentence to me or he written on a paper, for example( i love america)i will transmit it at jackalgirl or kzuzkryzt which is in another room with a number of james randi administration

[chillzero]

abr,
Please answer some of the questions, and review the advice above, before trying to create a protocol.

[Jackalgirl]

i explain the unfolding of the experience,i close myself in a room with the number of james randi administration ,he says a sentence to me or he written on a paper, for example( i love america)i will transmit it at jackalgirl or kzuzkryzt which is in another room with a number of james randi administration

This is actually a good example of a protocol outline. It's simple (which is very good). Eventually, you will need a very detailed protocol (but keep the actual protocol itself as simple as possible).

However, there are some other things you should do before writing the protocol.

The first, and most important, is that you read the rules and understand all of them. It may be helpful to ask someone like RoboTimbo to translate these into French for you.

You cannot start until you have read the rules and are clear about them.

So please read the rules. Ask RT to translate them if you need to. Read the rules first, then come back here and let us know that you have read them all, understand them all, and understand that you have to follow them all.

This includes the rule about the media. Do you understand that you will need to be mentioned in the media, and that you will need a signed, notarized statement from a person with an academic background? (This is also called "the affidavit".)

We really should not go any further until you are clear on the rules.

[abr]

bon c'est vrai j'ai besoin d'aide,je suis telepathe et j'ai aussi un autre don celui de pouvoir écouter les gens quand il parle avec la bouche fermée,je fait des recherches mais j'ai rien trouver , j'ai essayer les boules quies ca ne marche pas , je cherche un casque anti bruit qui peut stopper ca,pour l'experience il me faudra surment un partenair,celui qui m'aide ou ceux qui vont m'aider je donnarai la moitié du million

[William Smith]

bon c'est vrai j'ai besoin d'aide,je suis telepathe et j'ai aussi un autre don celui de pouvoir écouter les gens quand il parle avec la bouche fermée,je fait des recherches mais j'ai rien trouver , j'ai essayer les boules quies ca ne marche pas , je cherche un casque anti bruit qui peut stopper ca,pour l'experience il me faudra surment un partenair,celui qui m'aide ou ceux qui vont m'aider je donnarai la moitié du million

Premièrement, la langue parlèe c'est l'anglais. Ce n'est pas interdit mais très discourtois de parler un autre langue.
First, English is the forum language. It is not forbidden but very impolite to post in a different language.

Je recommends envoyer une PM à RoboTimbo et lui demander de faire une traduction.
I recommend sending a PM (Private Message) to RoboTimbo and ask him to translate.

Because my skills seem limited.
Parce que mes capacités sont limitées.

[abr]

j'ai besoin d'un partenaire dans l'autre chambre pour qu'il écrit ce que j'ai transmetter

[abr]

it for me is necessary another partner in the other room ,that which will write what i have transmetter,and forgiveness

[William Smith]

bon c'est vrai j'ai besoin d'aide,je suis telepathe et j'ai aussi un autre don celui de pouvoir écouter les gens quand il parle avec la bouche fermée,je fait des recherches mais j'ai rien trouver , j'ai essayer les boules quies ca ne marche pas , je cherche un casque anti bruit qui peut stopper ca,pour l'experience il me faudra surment un partenair,celui qui m'aide ou ceux qui vont m'aider je donnarai la moitié du million

Comme j'ai dit avant: Il te faut un resumé de média.
C'est à dire: Un medium (la télé, un journal, une site web, une station de radio, etc.) a publié une pièce sur toi et ta télépathie.
Sans un resumé de média ta candidature por le Million Dollar Challenge sera refusée
.
Like I said before: You need a media profile.
E.g.: Any medium (TV, paper, website, radio station, etc.) has published something about you and your telepathy.
Without a media profile, your application for the MDC will be rejected.

[chillzero]

abr,
Have you read the rest of this thread?
There is no point in you trying to sort out the details of any test, if you do not qualify for a test in the first place. There is a requirement for a media presence. Please stop ignoring posts on that matter.

[William Smith]

it for me is necessary another partner in the other room ,that which will write what i have transmetter,and forgiveness

That of course will be permitted.
C'est permit, bien sur.

D'abord, tu dois qualifier pour le MDC avec un resumé de média.
First, you have to qualify for the MDC by having a media profile.

[abr]

the parteners who are going to help me i go their to give half of the million

[William Smith]

the parteners who are going to help me i go their to give half of the million

That would be nice but it is not really important at this point, because first you have to qualify for the MDC.

Abr, do you understand that without a media profile - you have said earlier that you do not want to contact the press - you do not qualify for the MDC?

[petre]

Premièrement, la langue parlèe c'est l'anglais. Ce n'est pas interdit mais très discourtois de parler un autre langue.
First, English is the forum language. It is not forbidden but very impolite to post in a different language.

Je recommends envoyer une PM à RoboTimbo et lui demander de faire une traduction.
I recommend sending a PM (Private Message) to RoboTimbo and ask him to translate.

Because my skills seem limited.
Parce que mes capacités sont limitées.

Easy to forgive here as well, given he was invited to use a more comfortable language :)

I don't think it's too early to think about the protocol. Not for the application though, for self testing. It will be easier to contact people about the other requirements (media contact, proffesional affadavit) if he is confident in what he is doing.

It is common during more formal self-testing that potential applicants discover abilities don't function quite as they would expect. This is more comfortable to encounter in private testing, rather than confront it during some presentation to others.

[Pixel42]

I don't think it's too early to think about the protocol. Not for the application though, for self testing.
I agree. Asking abr to try a simple protocol like:

1. Make a list of six statements and number them 1 to 6

2. Ask his friend to take a copy of the numbered statements, go to another room and at pre-agreed times write down the number of the statement he thinks abr is sending

3. Roll a dice at the pre-agreed times and "send" the statement with that number, making a note of which it was

4. Compare the list of numbers written down by abr and his friend and see if they're the same

might save us all a lot of time.

[RoboTimbo]

Sorry I'm late to the party, I was gone all day. I see translations are coming along without me.

[Uncayimmy]

I agree. Asking abr to try a simple protocol like:

1. Make a list of six statements and number them 1 to 6

2. Ask his friend to take a copy of the numbered statements, go to another room and at pre-agreed times write down the number of the statement he thinks abr is sending

3. Roll a dice at the pre-agreed times and "send" the statement with that number, making a note of which it was

4. Compare the list of numbers written down by abr and his friend and see if they're the same

might save us all a lot of time.

Agree on the number of trials in advance, then do only that many. Do not check for accuracy until you are done.

[Czarcasm]

Agree on the number of trials in advance, then do only that many. Do not check for accuracy until you are done.All of this is putting the cart before the horse until these questions are answered:

1. abr, have you read the rules?
2. abr, do you understand the rules?

IMHO, talking about a protocol is meaningless until these questions are answered.

[Pixel42]

All of this is putting the cart before the horse until these questions are answered:

1. abr, have you read the rules?
2. abr, do you understand the rules?

IMHO, talking about a protocol is meaningless until these questions are answered.
He answered question 1 in post #23 (yes), and clearly understood them well enough to grasp that press involvement is a requirement. Despite his stated dislike of that requirement he's still here. So yes, I think the next step is to get him to try to simple self test and, if he claims it was successful, help him through the process of demonstrating that successful test to a reporter and an academic.

[William Smith]

He answered question 1 in post #23 (yes), and clearly understood them well enough to grasp that press involvement is a requirement. Despite his stated dislike of that requirement he's still here. So yes, I think the next step is to get him to try to simple self test and, if he claims it was successful, help him through the process of demonstrating that successful test to a reporter and an academic.

Abr said he read the documents. Did he understand everything? We can be relatively sure that he would have some need for clarification - sans the language barrier.

I think the rules and common sense dictate the way unmistakably: First, make sure you are eligible for the MDC.

If for some reason abr is not eligible, the thread can be moved to GS and anyone can suggest any self-test they want.

[Czarcasm]

Did he understand that those were not just documents, but rules that must be followed?

[RoboTimbo]

Did he understand that those were not just documents, but rules that must be followed?

abr, do you understand the above? yes or no?

You must follow the rules in those documents.


abr, comprenez-vous ci-dessus? oui ou non?

Vous devez suivre les règles dans ces documents.

[abr]

i like to know if with my experiment i gain the million, the parteners who are going to help me i go their to give half of the million, for me i can win the mdc , i have a paranormal ability

[Startz]

i like to know if with my experiment i gain the million, the parteners who are going to help me i go their to give half of the million, for me i can win the mdc , i have a paranormal ability

abr, if you win you can do anything you like with the money.

It would help if you would answer the questions
1) Will you provide an affidavit from an academic?
2) Will you have a media profile?

When you do not answer these questions, many readers will think you are insincere--even though you may have the best of intentions.

[roger]

You are free to give money away however you like, however, I doubt it can be a condition of participation.

[William Smith]

i like to know if with my experiment i gain the million, the parteners who are going to help me i go their to give half of the million, for me i can win the mdc , i have a paranormal ability

Abr, do you understand that without a media profile - you have said earlier that you do not want to contact the press - you do not qualify for the MDC?

[abr]

i need a partner that which will write what i will transmit,i will have a media profile

[RoboTimbo]

We understand that you will need a friend to help you, who will receive. I'm sure the JREF would insist that you do have your own person receive.

Nous comprenons que vous avez besoin d'un ami à recevoir. La (le?) JREF insistera pour que vous fournissez votre propre personne.

[Startz]

i need a partner that which will write what i will transmit,i will have a media profile

That is progress.

Have you already done this successfully, under any conditions at all?

[William Smith]

i need a partner that which will write what i will transmit,i will have a media profile

That is progress.

Have you already done this successfully, under any conditions at all?

Abr, what are your specific plans to get a media profile, when you do not want to inform the press?

[Jackalgirl]

it for me is necessary another partner in the other room ,that which will write what i have transmetter,and forgiveness

Chillzero is right. You're doing this backwards.

Here is a list of the steps for a successful Million Dollar Challenge application:

Step One: read the rules (and, more importantly, understand them).
Step Two: if you qualify, send in a notarized application with all of the necessary supporting documentation (for example, the affidavit). Your application should include:
--Step 2a: your claim (for example, you claim that you can demonstrate telepathy)
--Step 2b: a description of how you plan to demonstrate your claim
--Step 2c: your criteria for success vs failure (for example, how many times the receiver must successfully receive what is sent by the sender out of a set, such as 7 times out of 10 [or some other number])

You are trying to describe step 2c. You need to start at step 1.

Have you read the rules? Do you understand them?

[yairhol]

This will be a long and painfull process.
abr will not submit anything at the end. It's clear from the non-responsiveness to the questions he's been asked.

[abr]

i made the experiment of the room has several recovery,i transmit what they want

[RoboTimbo]

i made the experiment of the room has several recovery,i transmit what they want


abr, I won't be participating anymore until you answer questions already asked of you. Good luck with your challenge application.

[chillzero]

Abr, what are your specific plans to get a media profile, when you do not want to inform the press?

abr, please answer this.
It is relevant to your claim - if one is going to be made. If you are not going to do this, and therefore not attempt Randi's challenge, I will move this thread to the correct forum for you to get advice on testing telepathy for yourself.

[William Smith]

i made the experiment of the room has several recovery,i transmit what they want

Abr, we cannot help you win the MDC if you do not respond to simple questions. You asked for help. We did help. But you continue to talk about things which are not important at this point.

Abr, one last time, do you understand that you need to qualify for the MDC before you can take the test?
Can you tell us - from reading the documents we told you about - what these qualifications are and how you intend to get a media profile?

If you do not understand English well enough, perhaps you should ask a friend to help you understand the rules.

Otherwise you are wasting your and our time.

[Moochie]

If abr's "ability" is as Roger interpreted it in post #6, then there will be no application, because there is no "ability."


M.

[abr]

i'am from algeria ,then to come to america it will be necessary for me helps for the visa,that which doubts my capacity i will make with him the experimant by camweb

[William Smith]

i'am from algeria ,then to come to america it will be necessary for me helps for the visa,that which doubts my capacity i will make with him the experimant by camweb

Abr, you clearly have not yet understood the MDC rules. Also, you do not seem willing or able to engage in a simple discussion.

I have no idea how to assist you further.

I will ask the mod team to move this thread to General Semantics.

[abr]

i want to know ifi can pass the test in arab countries or europe countries like netherlands, if i can please give me contact

[William Smith]

i want to know ifi can pass the test in arab countries or europe countries like netherlands, if i can please give me contact

Technically, you could take the test anywhere you and the tester agree upon.

However, abr, you have been told repeatedly that you have to qualify for the MDC first.

[Pixel42]

i want to know ifi can pass the test in arab countries or europe countries like netherlands,
From http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

Preliminary tests are usually conducted by associates of the JREF at the site where the applicant lives.

That's a yes.

if i can please give me contact
Once you've applied, been accepted as a qualifying candidate and agreed a test protocol with JREF I imagine they will arrange for an appropriate associate to contact you and arrange to visit you in your home to conduct the preliminary test. But at the moment you have a long way to go to reach that point.

[scriewy]

this turned out to be some funny gruel. you all started talking to much from the beginning, you chocked him with information, and jumped ahead of everything. he's a slow type person.

[0m3g4]

No, he is the one who is constantly jumping ahead. Plus, I seriously doubt that he does understand the rules.

[Cuddles]

From http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

That's a yes.

Unfortunately that rather implies that this:
Have you read the rules? Do you understand them?
is a no.

[abr]

show me the procedure, for me i can win the mdc with my experiment,i read the rules and i undestand them

[chillzero]

abr.
I want you to stop ignoring my posts and answer this:

Are you going to get the required media attention, and an afferdavit, in order to apply for Randi's Million Dollar Challenge?

I just want a yes, or a no.

[abr]

i d'ont want to requierd media attention, and you give my answer,where i can pass the first test, give me your contact in europe contries or arabic countries

[Pixel42]

i d'ont want to requierd media attention, and you give my answer,where i can pass the first test, give me your contact in europe contries or arabic countries
The process of qualifying for and taking the MDC challenge is as follows:

1. Obtain an affadavit from an academic and a media profile

2. Draft a suitable test protocol

3. Fill in the application form and send it to JREF, along with evidence of (1) and a copy of (2)

4. If JREF accept your application, negotiate and agree the test protocol and success criteria

5. JREF will then identify a suitable person (e.g. a scientist at your nearest university) who will contact you and arrange to conduct the preliminary test at a suitable location (probably your own home)

6. If you pass the preliminary test, arrangements will be made for you to take the final test

7. If you pass the final test you get the $1 million

As you are apparently not prepared to complete step (1) there seems little point in discussing step (5), or indeed in continuing this conversation at all.

[steenkh]

i d'ont want to requierd media attention,
Then you will not get a test.

and you give my answer,where i can pass the first test, give me your contact in europe contries or arabic countries
You cannot pass the test because you have no media attention.

First get the media attention, then get an academic to write an affidavit, and then worry about the test.

[Jackalgirl]

i d'ont want to requierd media attention, and you give my answer,where i can pass the first test, give me your contact in europe contries or arabic countries

Steenkh is right.

You must apply before you do your first test (the "preliminary" test).

Your application will not be accepted unless you already have been mentioned in or by the media and have a signed, notarized affidavit written by a person with an academic background (a teacher, a doctor, etc.)

Do you understand this?

[Startz]

i d'ont want to requierd media attention, and you give my answer,where i can pass the first test, give me your contact in europe contries or arabic countries
Abr,
Many people who post here about how they are going to win the Challenge turn out to be less than honest. A frequent symptom is that they ignore polite questions that are posed to be helpful.

If you want people here to know you are sincere, you should answer the questions about required media attention. You need to understand that if you do not want media attention, then the Challenge is not for you.

Everyone here hopes that you will proceed swiftly to take the Challenge, and most people here are willing to be helpful in your work if you are sincere.

[William Smith]

i d'ont want to requierd media attention, and you give my answer,where i can pass the first test, give me your contact in europe contries or arabic countries

Abr, je vais l'expliquer à toi une dernière fois et le plus simple possible: Pas de "media attention", pas de test. Je suis désolé mais c'est comme ca.

Encore uns fois: Pas de "media attention", pas de test.

Autrement, c'est clair que tu n'as pas compris les règles indiquées ici (http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-application.html) et ici (http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/component/content/article/37-static/254-jref-challenge-faq.html). On a essayé pour une semaine de t'aider. Ou tu as des difficultés avec la langue ou tu as des difficultés avec une propre discussion, je ne peux pas découvrir.

Continuer cette conversation ne sert qu'a rien.

Au revoir, abr.

Abr, I will explain it to you one last time and as simple as possible: No "media attention", no test. I'm sorry but it's like that.

Once again: No "media attention", no test.

Otherwise, it seems perfectly clear that you have not understood the rules referred to here and here. We have tried a whole week to help you. If you have difficulties with the language, or difficulties with a proper conversation I can't decide.

Continuing this conversation would be futile.

Good-bye, abr.

[abr]

for chillzero, i want my answer,where i can pass the first test

[chillzero]

I don't know anything about what skeptical organisations are in your area, that you cold approach for a test. Why don't you do some local research?

I'm a moderator. I'm more concerned with whether or not you intend to take Randi's test, and if you don't take a few initial steps, you won't qualify. In that case, this thread will be moved to a more appropriate section for you to discuss how to test your abilities for your own satisfaction.

Again - please answer this:
Will you be seeking the required media attention? Yes or no?

[yairhol]

Chill, what didn't you understand in:
i d'ont want to requierd media attention?

[Czarcasm]

Chill, what didn't you understand in:
?How about the fact that abr wants to go ahead without it, which would be against the rules? Unless he agrees to it, this thread is indeed misplaced.

[Pixel42]

i want my answer,where i can pass the first test
Why do you keep asking this question when (a) it has already been answered and (b) that answer can be of no possible interest to you as you do not qualify to take the test, and apparently have no intention of becoming qualified?

[chillzero]

Chill, what didn't you understand in:
?

It is my understanding that passing a local test would probably garner the required media attention. I'm not happy to move the thread while abr is still asking MDC related questions.

In the event that s/he passes a local test, I still want an answer about the media profile. If s/he rejects it altogether or continues to ignore pople's responses and questions, I'll move the thread.

[rjh01]

Of course there are many organizations that will pay money for psychic powers. Some would even give you a well paying job.

[abr]

i contact university which studies telepathy,rgh01 please if you can give me the name of this organisation

[Czarcasm]

i contact university which studies telepathy,rgh01 please if you can give me the name of this organisationYour government. My government. France's government. Any government.

Here are two lists of skeptic organizations to contact for local testing(sorry, couldn't find one for Algeria):
http://www.freeinquiry.com/skeptic/organizations/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_skeptics_and_skeptical_organizations

[dbalsdon]

Abr, why don't you want to gain the required media presence? You do realise that even if you somehow manage to skip that requirement, you would gain a whole load of media attention if you did eventually go on to win the million, right?


Issue 1: I don’t want the publicity.

Response: You will get the publicity if you pass the Challenge, which you believe you can do. If you don’t want publicity, it’s best not to apply at all.

[abr]

thank you very much for your answer,in the rules i have to qualify for the mdc by having a media profile,so i need a media profile

[dbalsdon]

thank you very much for your answer,in the rules i have to qualify for the mdc by having a media profile,so i need a media profile

Exactly. Getting somewhere now :) As the FAQ also states, if you can really do what you say you can do, gaining some form of media profile shouldn't be too hard to achieve.

[abr]

if you can give me the name of university which studies telepathy

[Jackalgirl]

if you can give me the name of university which studies telepathy

I don't think that any of us are going to be able to do that.

Is there a university or college near where you live? Perhaps if you call their Psychology department, someone there might be able to help you do a search of academic journals to see if any universities are doing any serious studies.

I suggest the Psychology department because that is one of the major sciences studying the mind. Perhaps one of the professors or instructors who teach introductory psychology might be interested in having his or her class help construct a test for you.

Another very good idea would be to ask if there are any classes there in Critical Thinking. I am pretty sure that a Critical Thinking class' teacher would be interested in helping devise an objective protocol to test your claim. I think it would be a good class project.

If you do this, and if you are successful, you could get your academic affidavit completed at the same time.

Good luck.

[steenkh]

if you can give me the name of university which studies telepathy
There are probably many, like the Koestler Parapsychology Unit (http://www.koestler-parapsychology.psy.ed.ac.uk/) at the University of Edinburgh, but I do not know of any near you, or any where French is the language in use.

The discipline you are looking for is parapsychology.

[abr]

thanks,yes it is a paranormal ability,i will contact this university

[steenkh]

thanks,yes it is a paranormal ability,i will contact this university
That would be interesting. I once attended a presentation by Caroline Watt of the Koestler Institute, where she explained that the current drive of their research was to develop tools to weed out the deluded people from people with real paranormal abilities. They had - of course - never encountered the latter, but it is said that hope is evergreen!

If you can get their endorsement (and I doubt it; they are apparently flooded with requests from people like you), you will have gone a long way toward taking the challenge.

[abr]

if you have a nother contact ,please help me

[RobRoy]

if you have a nother contact ,please help me

Here's a list of Algerian universities (http://www.araboo.com/dir/algeria-colleges-universities). I suggest you contact the one closest to you. As steenkh suggested, contact the psychology department. They are your best bet.

Good luck!

[The Atheist]

There's always Bial (http://www.bial.com/gca/?id=17), they're only in Portugal, but you need to translate from Portuguese.

Bial loves people with telepathic ability.

Very devout, the Portuguese - Fatima and all that.

[Olowkow]

Forget the "psych" dept...just go for "non accredited"..you'll find one. Amazing.











Please, someone tell me this POE, or a joke...

[RobRoy]

Forget the "psych" dept...just go for "non accredited"..you'll find one. Amazing.

Will non-accredited meet the rules criteria?

[Olowkow]

Will non-accredited meet the rules criteria?

Well, I guess I don't see why not..???? An exception can always be made, just in case this is the real thing~!

I'm having a real problem with this guy....He can't spell "speak" (speek). How do you learn any English without learning: "Do you speak English?"

[RobRoy]

Well, I guess I don't see why not..???? An exception can always be made, just in case this is the real thing~!

I'm having a real problem with this guy....He can't spell "speak" (speek). How do you learn any English without learning: "Do you speak English?"

Phonetically? :confused:

Along the same lines, abr stated that he could speak French, and yet most of the translations provided in French haven't had any more success at communication and comprehension.

I'm willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, but ignoring messages in one of your professed languages does seem a tad fishy. :eye-poppi

[Olowkow]

Yeah, just bugged me about not being able to spell "speak", but has no problem with "europe countries", pretty sophisticated spelling with a "token" mistake using "europe" instead of "European". Then there is the "d'ont" and the lack of capital "I", or capital letters anywhere...a poet?

I agree about the French, (I speak French). In the immortal words of Dr. Lee: "Something not right here".

[abr]

how want to do with me an experiment paranormal by camweb (msn)

[chillzero]

abr, please stick to letting us know how you get on with sorting out your requirements for the MDC.
If you wish to try a separate experiment, start a new thread in the General Skepticism and Paranormal section.