View Full Version : if the kooks were right........
corplinx
13th November 2003, 09:14 PM
We've been hearing about Bush has turned america into a theocracy from the fringe liberals for a long time.
How is it then the "Bush court" who "selected" him as president refused to hear the Moore case ?
How is it that Moore has been kicked off the bench?
In fact, why arent the ten commandments being posted at every courthouse?
Some of you on this very board need to rethink your hyperbole. Despite the "faith based initiatives" program (which is actually a Clinton program) and a few mentions of God in speeches, the country still has a fine line between church and state.
T'ai Chi
13th November 2003, 10:19 PM
Originally posted by corplinx
We've been hearing about Bush has turned america into a theocracy from the fringe liberals for a long time.
How is it then the "Bush court" who "selected" him as president refused to hear the Moore case ?
How is it that Moore has been kicked off the bench?
In fact, why arent the ten commandments being posted at every courthouse?
Some of you on this very board need to rethink your hyperbole. Despite the "faith based initiatives" program (which is actually a Clinton program) and a few mentions of God in speeches, the country still has a fine line between church and state.
Atheist propaganda??
jj
13th November 2003, 11:16 PM
Extremism comes!
Bush, Gore, just about the same.
Gore won, though, not Bush!
Mr Manifesto
14th November 2003, 03:47 AM
The weapons of mass destruction are one step closer to being found.
Cain
14th November 2003, 04:05 AM
Sidney Blumenthal says in today's Guardian:
The key to the road map's success was US support for the Palestinian prime minister, Abu Mazen, indispensable as a partner for peace, but regarded as a threat by both Sharon and Arafat. At the June summit on the road map, Bush told Abu Mazen: "God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them; then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did; and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act."
Never mind that though, he's clearly on record with Bob Woodword, essentially the unoffical White House biographer, as saying God put him into office (so big deal if the election was stolen).
I dunno, that sort of scares me. Then again, I remind myself that Cheney's probably in charge and that guy doesn't strike me as being very religious.
NightG1
14th November 2003, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by corplinx
Some of you on this very board need to rethink your hyperbole.
OK. You start. Ooops, too late.
Tmy
14th November 2003, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by corplinx
We've been hearing about Bush has turned america into a theocracy from the fringe liberals for a long time.
How is it then the "Bush court" who "selected" him as president refused to hear the Moore case ?
How is it that Moore has been kicked off the bench?
In fact, why arent the ten commandments being posted at every courthouse?
Some of you on this very board need to rethink your hyperbole. Despite the "faith based initiatives" program (which is actually a Clinton program) and a few mentions of God in speeches, the country still has a fine line between church and state.
Depends on how you look at it.
The fact that the commandments made it there in the first place and stayed a while is testimony to Bushs theocracy!!!
The glass is 1/2 communist!!!
DrChinese
14th November 2003, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by corplinx
We've been hearing about Bush has turned america into a theocracy from the fringe liberals for a long time.
How is it then the "Bush court" who "selected" him as president refused to hear the Moore case ?
How is it that Moore has been kicked off the bench?
In fact, why arent the ten commandments being posted at every courthouse?
Some of you on this very board need to rethink your hyperbole. Despite the "faith based initiatives" program (which is actually a Clinton program) and a few mentions of God in speeches, the country still has a fine line between church and state.
Bush had nothing to do with Moore on any level. The question is: what would Bush (and others, Moore among them) like to see changed?
Tony
14th November 2003, 01:29 PM
If you judge by the standards of some of our resident PC nazis, saying Bush is going to impose a theocracy is racist. I am so disgusted over such bigotry. :p
corplinx
14th November 2003, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by DrChinese
Bush had nothing to do with Moore on any level.
Yes, but the supreme court that betrayed america is in Bush's pocket thanks to the 5/4 majority. Yet they wouldnt even hear the case.
This punches a hole in some of occam's razor defying theories..
Ignatius
14th November 2003, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by corplinx
We've been hearing about Bush has turned america into a theocracy from the fringe liberals for a long time.
How is it then the "Bush court" who "selected" him as president refused to hear the Moore case ?
How is it that Moore has been kicked off the bench?
In fact, why arent the ten commandments being posted at every courthouse?
Some of you on this very board need to rethink your hyperbole. Despite the "faith based initiatives" program (which is actually a Clinton program) and a few mentions of God in speeches, the country still has a fine line between church and state.
Corplinx,
I don't think that this is any more fair than if four years ago someone said to the right-wing gun nuts, "If Clinton is so anti-gun, why haven't Reno and her storm troopers broke into every member of the NRA's houses and taken their rifles away"
For one thing, even if Bush wanted to actually turn the US into a theocracy (which I doubt) he does not have the means anymore than Clinton would have if he wanted to strip all Americans of their guns (which he didn't). Even very powerful politicians can only take baby steps, sometimes more symbolic than substantive, to achieving their means (appeasing their base).
All you seem to be doing is pointing out that the actual results are not quite as bad as the hyperbole of the fringe. Duh. That certainly doesn't mean that what he did was right, though.
On a more important note, did you catch the Halloween episode of Aqua Teen Hunger Force? It instantly became my favorite episode and I can't find anyone else that saw it.
DrChinese
14th November 2003, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by corplinx
Yes, but the supreme court that betrayed america is in Bush's pocket thanks to the 5/4 majority. Yet they wouldnt even hear the case.
This punches a hole in some of occam's razor defying theories..
This may shock you, since many consider me a poster boy for the liberal left... I believe Bush won, was duly sworn in and totally legitimate. I also believe he had the right to take us to Iraq (under US law anyway) although you know I disagree with that decision.
I do ask this question: in what ways - if any - does Bush want to see the current separation of church and state modified? I am only referring to legal means, as I don't envision him as having anything else in mind under any scenario.
Tony
14th November 2003, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by DrChinese
This may shock you, since many consider me a poster boy for the liberal left... I believe Bush won, was duly sworn in and totally legitimate.
It's respectable of you to acknowledge the truth and reject the partisan propaganda.
Bentspoon
14th November 2003, 04:47 PM
Bush only has half a mind to start and I am not sure that he wants to to change the US into a theocracy. I do believe he would not stand in the way of such achange.
However, anyone that would get on that kook's (Moore) side would just be politically stupid and that ain't Bush.
He may not be able to find his way around on a globe but he is cetainly politically savvy.
Anyone with half a brain, believer or not, would not back Moore. He is a kook and a usurper of his former office.
Bush is definitely anti abortion but I don't expect a photo shoot with the latest A-bomber or doctor killer.
BTW, did anyone hear that the Grandizing Moore is going to cause a sweeping change to our society next week with a profound announcement.
I bet he is going to tell us that the Rapture is upon us.
Bentspoon
Dancing David
14th November 2003, 07:00 PM
I wouldn't say that he turned us into a theocracy, I would say that he has sold out the republican party to the family values crap.
I thought he was turning us into a plutocracy.
Dr Chinese , how dare you, I will denounce you to The Matriarchal Supreme Command for daring to say Bush is the President Elect, what has truth to do with any thing!
Monketey Ghost
14th November 2003, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by corplinx
We've been hearing about Bush has turned america into a theocracy from the fringe liberals for a long time.
How is it then the "Bush court" who "selected" him as president refused to hear the Moore case ?
How is it that Moore has been kicked off the bench?
In fact, why arent the ten commandments being posted at every courthouse?
Some of you on this very board need to rethink your hyperbole. Despite the "faith based initiatives" program (which is actually a Clinton program) and a few mentions of God in speeches, the country still has a fine line between church and state.
Is there some sort of contest to see how many logical fallacies you can pack into one post, that you're after winning?
corplinx
14th November 2003, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by Ignatius
On a more important note, did you catch the Halloween episode of Aqua Teen Hunger Force? It instantly became my favorite episode and I can't find anyone else that saw it.
Yes, it was great. I guess you still remember when I had Carl and Master Shake as avatars.
Jocko
15th November 2003, 12:26 AM
Originally posted by DrChinese
I do ask this question: in what ways - if any - does Bush want to see the current separation of church and state modified? I am only referring to legal means, as I don't envision him as having anything else in mind under any scenario.
I can't see how it would be relevant on any practical level. The separation of church and state is codified in the Constitution, so any opinion of Bush's is just that: an opinion. With a demonstrably independent SCOTUS, the point is moot.
I mean, he wouldn't redesign the flag just because he prefers green over red.
Tony
15th November 2003, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by Bentspoon
BTW, did anyone hear that the Grandizing Moore is going to cause a sweeping change to our society next week with a profound announcement.
Can you provide a link? That sounds interesting and potentially frightening.
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