Alan Keyes: Stop Obama or the US will cease to exist

[Undesired Walrus]

From the man who declared that 'Jesus Christ would not vote for Barack Obama'.

RWdCNodGrA8

Some trademark Keyes on display here.

[maxpower1227]

Woooowwww....

I've never actually heard Keyes speak before..... Wow

[Cleon]

Notice how he interjected "No, that's not a laughing matter" during the Birfer rant? :D

[Upchurch]

If he had any legitimate point, he lost it in the nonsense.

[Alareth]

"... at a time when his mother was too young to transmit US citizenship"

WTF? Too young?

The whole bifer nonsense is ridiculous to begin with, but now they are just making up **** to support the fantasy. An age requirement on citizenship?

[drkitten]

The whole bifer nonsense is ridiculous to begin with, but now they are just making up **** to support the fantasy. An age requirement on citizenship?

Actually, this is legitimate (believe it or not).

Citizenship is governed by law, which in turn varies by country. The USA is almost unique in granting citizenship automatically to anyone born in the country. Since Obama was (in reality) born in Hawai'i, he is and was a US citizen from birth. (And a "natural-born" citizen to boot.)

But let's play "pretend" and pretend he was actually born in Kenya.... Another set of rules come into play, rules that more-or-less say that you inherit the citizenship of your parents. If both of Obama's parents had been US citizens, again he would be a citizen from birth via this set of rules.

BUT,... one of his parents was not a US citizen; his father was Kenyan, and his mother was only 18 at the time of his birth. The relevant law (8 U.S. Code Section 1401 (b)) says that "a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States, who prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years" is a citizen.

The sting is in the final phrase. Obviously an 18 year old woman cannot have lived for at least five years after attaining the age of fourteen years anywhere.

The law has later been amended; I think that now there is a two-year period instead of five.

But the central point remains. If Obama had been born in Kenya, then I believe he would not in fact have been a US citizen without going through naturalization as his mother was too young. The fact that the law is stupid does not mean it didn't exist.

[jj]

In how many countries could this crazy actually be free to advocate revolution like this?

[Upchurch]

In how many countries could this crazy actually be free to advocate revolution like this?
Well, I'm sure our Ultra-Communist President's first priority was to remove all dissension.

...what? He didn't?

[INRM]

If Obama has committed a crime worthy of impeachment, he should be removed from office legally, like any other President engaging in misconduct.

Truthfully speaking, I wish there was an option whereby a President could be legally removed with some kind of Constitutionally-compatible equivalent of a No-Confidence vote.

I just hope that nobody does anything crazy. I certainly do not want some nut-job doing anything crazy or violent. I also hope that it wouldn't produce some kind of right-wing backlash or something (Remember Salvador Allende being overthrown by the Chilean Military in a Coup d'etat lead by Augusto Pinochet?). That would not be good for anybody.

Just out of curiousity -- is that actually true that Obama stated that if a baby survived a failed abortion attempt and was born alive that it should be killed?

I'm not opposed to abortion, but if the baby is alive I think it should be kept alive and if the parent doesn't want it, be put up for adoption.


INRM

[Upchurch]

Just out of curiousity -- is that actually true that Obama stated that if a baby survived a failed abortion attempt and was born alive that it should be killed?
IIRC, it was a situation where some anti-abortion group managed to get a bill to the legislature that would explicitly out law a bizarre form of abortion they had concocted that either never happens or only only would in really weird circumstances. If I have this right, the scenario they were trying to outlaw was already illegal under other laws. Obama's vote against the bill was because it was redundant, not because he wants live babies killed or some such nonsense.

But check me on that, I could be confusing it with something else.

eta: here (http://fightthesmears.com/articles/15/wildaccusations), but consider the source.

[gdnp]

Wow. I knew Keyes was a nut, but I never realized that he was a certified tinfoil hat type of nut.

[Skeptic Guy]

There is a great video on Youtube of a televised debate between Keyes and Obama during the 2004 Senatorial election. He said that he was against gays having children through artificial means because you wouldn't know who the father (or I assume the mother in some cases) is and couldn't assure that the resulting child wouldn't possibly marry his/her brother/sister.

Jeeze.

[dudalb]

Keyes is not riding on the Woo Train; he is the freaking engineer driving the locomotive.

[Chaos]

Truthfully speaking, I wish there was an option whereby a President could be legally removed with some kind of Constitutionally-compatible equivalent of a No-Confidence vote.


You have elections every four years. Didn´t you notice?

[pgwenthold]

You have elections every four years. Didn´t you notice?

Well just look at California! They had a mechanism to recall the governor.

So how'd that work out for them? Last I heard, Arnold has been governor for how many years, and the state is still a disaster...

[Skeptic Guy]

Keyes is not riding on the Woo Train; he is the freaking engineer driving the locomotive.

And designed the train, to boot.

[Alferd_Packer]

The law has later been amended; I think that now there is a two-year period instead of five.


it has been amended and since there are no dates of applicability, the law is basically retroactive.

[MattusMaximus]

Keyes is not riding on the Woo Train; he is the freaking engineer driving the locomotive.

And he built the railway system, too.

All kidding aside, I was in Illinois when Keyes went up against Obama in 2004, and I can tell you that - believe it or not - there was even more political theater then than now. I know many hardened Republicans that were put off by Keyes' woo - especially that part about Jesus voting for him because Obama was pro-choice.

What can I say? Keyes just has a way of bringing out the crazy in some of the most ardent rightwing nuts. It is, at the very least, quite entertaining.

Incidentally, I have my own theory on Keyes. Part of me thinks that he doesn't believe a damn word of all the nutty crap he spews. I think he's just out to sell books to gullible people who are all too willing to lap up his garbage - kind of like a rightwing, ultra-religious version of Kevin Trudeau.

So I tell people that he was never seriously running for the U.S. Senate in 2004, rather he was more likely running to promote his next book (which, it seems, garnered him much cash).

Either that, or he's as crazy as a bedbug on acid.

[MattusMaximus]

Well just look at California! They had a mechanism to recall the governor.

So how'd that work out for them? Last I heard, Arnold has been governor for how many years, and the state is still a disaster...

To be fair to the Governator, I think that is largely the fault of a highly dysfunctional legislature.

Though I'm a Democrat, I rather like Arnie. I almost wish he could run for President.

[MattusMaximus]

In how many countries could this crazy actually be free to advocate revolution like this?

Personally, I'm glad that people like Keyes are spewing their nonsense, because it just goes to show how awesome our nation is to actually allow them to do it. And that sends a positive message to the world.

If Keyes were locked up for his rants, I'd have to start questioning just what kind of country this really is and whether I want to live here.

Besides, I wouldn't say that Keyes' is out and out advocating revolution, he's just hinting that other people should do it. Sarah Palin did much the same thing during the election.

And yes, what he's doing is covered under the First Amendment. But then, so is my right to call him Captain Kookoo Bananas :)

[Jeff Corey]

Personally, I'm glad that people like Keyes are spewing their nonsense, because it just goes to show how awesome our nation is to actually allow them to do it. And that sends a positive message to the world.

If Keyes were locked up for his rants, I'd have to start questioning just what kind of country this really is and whether I want to live here.

Besides, I wouldn't say that Keyes' is out and out advocating revolution, he's just hinting that other people should do it. Sarah Palin did much the same thing during the election.

And yes, what he's doing is covered under the First Amendment. But then, so is my right to call him Captain Kookoo Bananas :)

Oh give the man his due. It's Supreme Galactic Commander Kookoo Banana.

[MattusMaximus]

Oh give the man his due. It's Supreme Galactic Commander Kookoo Banana.

I thought that title was reserved for Xenu?

OMFG!!! Does that mean... no it couldn't be... that... Alan Keyes... is... XENU?!! :jaw-dropp

**shudder** :boxedin:

[Redtail]

There is a great video on Youtube of a televised debate between Keyes and Obama during the 2004 Senatorial election. He said that he was against gays having children through artificial means because you wouldn't know who the father (or I assume the mother in some cases) is and couldn't assure that the resulting child wouldn't possibly marry his/her brother/sister.

Jeeze.


LOL! I've heard that argument before. I always mention that because I was adopted, the joke in my family was i had to marry one of y cousins because that was the only way to be sure I wasn't marrying a relative. This became a huge point in th late 90's when I was dating my aunt (who was 5 years younger than I.) and her mom luckily realized who I was before it got too far.

[Chaos]

To be fair to the Governator, I think that is largely the fault of a highly dysfunctional legislature.

Though I'm a Democrat, I rather like Arnie. I almost wish he could run for President.

Austrians becoming head of state of another country never seem to work out so well.

[pgwenthold]

To be fair to the Governator, I think that is largely the fault of a highly dysfunctional legislature.

I don't disagree, but can't you say the same thing about the original governor? The one who got recalled?

[jj]

LOL! I've heard that argument before. I always mention that because I was adopted, the joke in my family was i had to marry one of y cousins because that was the only way to be sure I wasn't marrying a relative. This became a huge point in th late 90's when I was dating my aunt (who was 5 years younger than I.) and her mom luckily realized who I was before it got too far.

http://sniff.numachi.com/pages/tiELMATURL.html :) :) :)

[Skeptic Guy]

LOL! I've heard that argument before. I always mention that because I was adopted, the joke in my family was i had to marry one of y cousins because that was the only way to be sure I wasn't marrying a relative. This became a huge point in th late 90's when I was dating my aunt (who was 5 years younger than I.) and her mom luckily realized who I was before it got too far.

:jaw-dropp Your Aunt! That's a story to be told over a beer!

Anyway, to Obama's credit, in the debate, he did counter that the same problem could be raised with adoption yet Keyes wasn't arguing against that.

Also, I could have sworn I saw Keyes in Grand Central Station today. I heard his voice first and looked up and it sure did look like him... He lives in Maryland so I don't know...but the voice sounded like his.

[BenBurch]

Keyes is not riding on the Woo Train; he is the freaking engineer driving the locomotive.

Thank You!