Memo Osama bin Laden, from a fellow Muslim: go to hell

[a_unique_person]

Islam was sent as mercy to humanity, yet al-Qaeda has made it the currency of hate and violence, writes Muqtedar Khan.


Mr bin Laden,

In the name of Allah, the Most Merciful, the Most Benevolent, I begin by reciting some important principles of Islam to remind you there is more to Islam than just a call to arms:

1. Islam was sent as mercy to humanity (Koran 4:79).

2. Do not make mischief on the earth (29:36).

3. People, we have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes that you might know one another. The noblest of you before God is the most righteous of you (49:13).

4. There are among the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) upstanding nations that recite the message of God and worship throughout the night, who believe in God, who order honour and forbid dishonour and hasten to do good works. These are the righteous (3:113-114).

I am writing this to make clear there are Muslims in America and in the world who despise and condemn extremists and have nothing to do with you, and those like you, for whom killing constitutes worship.



http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/02/20/1045638423057.html

ooops, forgot the link

[subgenius]

I wish there were more Muslims denouncing the hijacking of their religion by extremists. It would go a long way in seperating terrorism from Islam.

"Nobody's god says "Hate your neighbor"
Even if your neighbor doesn't believe in god."
---Terre Roche

[Supercharts]

http://www.secularislam.org/Default.htm

[corplinx]

Originally posted by a_unique_person
Islam was sent as mercy to humanity

Denial will get them nowhere.

_Admit_ that Islam was born in the blood of innocents who were slaughtered by Muhammed and his thugs.

Say what you will about xians, but at least they admit various atrocities they committed in the past.

[shecky]

Originally posted by corplinx

Say what you will about xians, but at least they admit various atrocities they committed in the past.

It's little consolation, though. Owning up after the fact.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by corplinx


Denial will get them nowhere.

_Admit_ that Islam was born in the blood of innocents who were slaughtered by Muhammed and his thugs.

Say what you will about xians, but at least they admit various atrocities they committed in the past.

haven't heard any christians apologizing for Noah yet. killing everyone on the whole planet, except for select few, and all the dinosaurs, was a pretty terrible act of violence too.

[Jocko]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


haven't heard any christians apologizing for Noah yet. killing everyone on the whole planet, except for select few, and all the dinosaurs, was a pretty terrible act of violence too.

You don't have to be Jerry Falwell to know that Noah didn't wipe out all non-arkbound life on earth in the biblical story. God did.

What, did you think he went on a shooting spree or something?

[corplinx]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


haven't heard any christians apologizing for Noah yet. killing everyone on the whole planet, except for select few, and all the dinosaurs, was a pretty terrible act of violence too.


Funniest joke I'ver ever heard from you unique. :)


Maybe some of those 6k year old hardline creationists should apologize for Noah forgetting to put dinosaurs on the ark. of course, there are some who claim he did........

[subgenius]

Let's not get in a pissing contest. Islam doesn't condone terrorism. Like all religions, they can be hijacked by fanatics.
Everyone is good.---Terre Roche

[corplinx]

I dont want to get into a pissing contest about which side has more dangerous lunatics. Mostly because I do not care since I am not on either side.

I merely wish that the current revisionist history of Islam would not get propagated. Muhammed was a worse cult leader than Joseph Smith.

It is to the credit of some Muslims and Latter Day Saints that they have _hijacked_ their religions with moderate tones and general good behavior.

I hate hearing about how Muslims are dissappointed in the terrorists and claim the fanatics have hijacked the religion away from its true origin. I want to hear, "the terrorists are lost in the past of Islam". If you apologize, the apology should at least be _truthful_.

[subgenius]

corp you're not listening.....

[Flo]

Originally posted by corplinx
I dont want to get into a pissing contest about which side has more dangerous lunatics. Mostly because I do not care since I am not on either side.

I merely wish that the current revisionist history of Islam would not get propagated. Muhammed was a worse cult leader than Joseph Smith.

It is to the credit of some Muslims and Latter Day Saints that they have _hijacked_ their religions with moderate tones and general good behavior.

I hate hearing about how Muslims are dissappointed in the terrorists and claim the fanatics have hijacked the religion away from its true origin. I want to hear, "the terrorists are lost in the past of Islam". If you apologize, the apology should at least be _truthful_.

I know of at least one recent book (in French, by Tariq Ramadan) saying exactly "the terrorists are lost in the past of Islam". In terrestingly, he's the son or grandson of a founder of an important islamist party in Egypt, who took refuge in France and Switzerland. His brother (Hani Ramadan) has just been fired from his post as a high school teacher in Geneva, Switzerland, for taking the opposite position (he's not openly condoning terrorism, but the application of the sharia and suchlike, and holding religious positions that have been deemed incompatible with his function as a teacher in a public school).

The vast majority of muslim I've had the occasion to talk to (admitedly mostly well educated, physicians or pharmacists) are in favor of separation of church and state and profess that religion is a purely personal matter.

There is one muslim movement (based in India or Pakistan ? - I don't remember their name but I've read a few documents some years ago) that publicly advocates separation of church from state, the abandonment of the sharia as outdated and incompatible with democratic reforms needed to join the modern world, etc.

[Jon_in_london]

Originally posted by corplinx

I merely wish that the current revisionist history of Islam would not get propagated. Muhammed was a worse cult leader than Joseph Smith.



Incorrect. Muhammed was the worst cult leader since Jesus.

Jesus was a terrorist.

[PogoPedant]

Originally posted by several
"the terrorists are lost in the past of Islam".

Now what past would that be? That of Hassan Sabbah's Assassins, or that of Omar Khayyam's hedonistic poetry? They were contemporaries mind you...