Could You Please Dial The Interweb For Me, Mr. Biden?

[BPSCG]

Link (http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/02/25/nobody-messes-with-joe-biden-warns-governors/)
What if someone does “mess with Joe?” Biden issued a warning shot to elected officials who might stash the cash instead of using it correctly.
“If governors were to take the money and put it in a rainy day fund instead of creating new jobs, we will expose that,” he said stating that he will go on TV and call them out.

Public

How can the public know that the money is allocated correctly? That’s the question CBS’s Maggie Rodriguez asked.

“We’re going to put every bit of this transparently up on a website. You’re gonna know. You’ll be able to go on a website. Every single bit of this will be on a website,” he explained.

What website?

“You know, I’m embarrassed. Do you know the website number?” he asked looking offstage. “I should have it in front of me and I don’t. I’m actually embarrassed.”

He was able to get the website “number” from someone off camera.

“Recovery.gov. It’s Recovery.gov. It’s up and running,” he said with newfound confidence.
I'm surprised he didn't have the number on his RaspBerry.

[HarryKeogh]

One of my lefty friends tried to tell me that this was no big deal but I put him in his place by saying if George W. Bush had done this the liberal mainstream media would have been all over him.

I showed him real good.

[Marquis de Carabas]

I'm appalled. Apparently some stupid moron working for Biden didn't even bother remembering one measly little IP address.

[Giggywig]

Not quite as entertaining as the tubes business.

[Upchurch]

*yawn*

[daredelvis]

One of my lefty friends tried to tell me that this was no big deal but I put him in his place by saying if George W. Bush had done this the liberal mainstream media would have been all over him.

I showed him real good.

Can anyone tell me which one of the internets this is on? I plan on using the google to look it up and I don't want to waste my time on the wrong one.

Daredelvis

[BPSCG]

From the official White House blog (http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/09/02/25/Dont-mess-with-Joe-and-others/) (seems everyone but me has a blog these days. I checked with my cats and they have one...) - Biden yesterday on the Recovery Act Transparency and Accountability Board (http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/09/02/25/Dont-mess-with-Joe-and-others/#TB_inline?height=220&width=370&inlineId=tb_external):
"This is a monumental project, but it's doable...It's about getting the money out in 18 months, to literally dropkick us out of this recession."I literally hit the ceiling when I saw that.

Biden's on a roll.

[ParanoidAndroid]

From the official White House blog (http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/09/02/25/Dont-mess-with-Joe-and-others/) (seems everyone but me has a blog these days. I checked with my cats and they have one...) - Biden yesterday on the Recovery Act Transparency and Accountability Board (http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/09/02/25/Dont-mess-with-Joe-and-others/#TB_inline?height=220&width=370&inlineId=tb_external):
I literally hit the ceiling when I saw that.

Biden's on a roll.


...with a little lettuce, mayo, maybe a slice of tomato; sounds delicious...

Unfortunately, the (modern) definition and usage of "literally (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally)" have opened up this little Pandora’s box of confusion regarding the word.

[fuelair]

I, too, find the frequent improper use of "literally" annoying.

Unfortunately, few people care.

[davefoc]

I, too, find the frequent improper use of "literally" annoying.

Unfortunately, few people care.

Add me to the list of people who don't care very much but who think the current common usage is silly.

[davefoc]

*yawn*

This was sort of my reaction too, but the thread was started by BPSCG who tends to have interesting things to say and who I intend to agree with on economic issues at least. So I gave the thread another shot and reread it.

So now that I have reread the thread and looked for more meaning:

*yawn*

[Tsukasa Buddha]

:rolleyes:

[peptoabysmal]

Biden has been known for a long time to be a gaffe machine. Welcome back Dan Quayle. :D

[Cleon]

Maybe Biden can find the web site's number by using "the Google."

[Meadmaker]

I, too, find the frequent improper use of "literally" annoying.

Unfortunately, few people care.


I have occaisionally wondered if, once upon a time, the word "really" went the same way.

[HarryKeogh]

Maybe Biden can find the web site's number by using "the Google."

He embarassed himself further by saying "I ask.commed around and couldn't find anything".

He also keeps asking his colleagues if they're on Friendster.

[johnny karate]

I'm not sure how wise it is to start a "Your guy said something stupid" contest if you're a Republican.

[BPSCG]

I'm not sure how wise it is to start a "You're guy said something stupid" contest if you're a Republican.Some things are beyond mockery.

[Wolfman]

I, too, find the frequent improper use of "literally" annoying.

Unfortunately, few people care.
I agree. It literally burns me up.

[Marquis de Carabas]

I agree. It literally burns me up.
I literally wish.

[Undesired Walrus]

BPSCG, do you think it would have been fair for left-wing people to jump all over a mistake like this coming from Bush's mouth?

[Puppycow]

Ted Stevens: The Internet is a series of tubes (techno mashup)
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W: The internets and the Google
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ETA:
A different techno remix of Ted Steven's speech :D
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[Beerina]

Add me to the list of people who don't care very much but who think the current common usage is silly.

It literally makes me blow my top, figuratively speaking.

[johnny karate]

Some things are beyond mockery.

Consider me burned.

It doesn't change the fact that over the last decade the verbal gaffes of Democrats is a drop in the ocean compared to the bottomless wellspring of stupid that's come from the Republicans.

[Nitpick]

I, too, find the frequent improper use of "literally" annoying.

Unfortunately, few people care.


I don't mean to (further) derail the thread, but I have to disagree. Obviously, "literally" is often being used to intensify a metaphorical statement. Someone uses a metaphor, but denies that it is a metaphor by suggesting that things are relly, literally as stated - which of course they are not, the person is simply using an "augmented", a "second-degree" metaphor...
Probably though, the effect has long worn off due to frequent usage...

An interesting read, I believe:
http://www.slate.com/id/2129105/

[fuelair]

I agree. It literally burns me up.

Darn, we surely will miss you!!!:(

[fuelair]

it literally makes me blow my top, figuratively speaking.

try :D:D:D:D:D

[Yalius]

Consider me burned.

It doesn't change the fact that over the last decade the verbal gaffes of Democrats is a drop in the ocean compared to the bottomless wellspring of stupid that's come from the Republicans.

Nah, it's just that, over the previous decade, the Democrats were of such marginal importance that their verbal gaffes went unnoticed. Now that there is a Democrat center-stage, the gaffes will come be coming steady and thick. Foot-in-mouth disease is definitely bipartisan.

[Nitpick]

Ok, wrong time for an attempt to a serious discussion I guess... :D

[Gord_in_Toronto]

I'm appalled. Apparently some stupid moron working for Biden didn't even bother remembering one measly little IP address.

IP address? You mean like a dotted quad?

When asked, I usually just give 127.0.0.0

[Grizzly Bear]

Consider me burned.

It doesn't change the fact that over the last decade the verbal gaffes of Democrats is a drop in the ocean compared to the bottomless wellspring of stupid that's come from the Republicans.

I do believe it's merely a contest of which party gets noticed more... It runs in cycles depending on which party is in power. Party-line bias doesn't change it...

[WildCat]

Consider me burned.

It doesn't change the fact that over the last decade the verbal gaffes of Democrats is a drop in the ocean compared to the bottomless wellspring of stupid that's come from the Republicans.
You obviously haven't heard many press conferences by Mayor Daley.

[johnny karate]

Nah, it's just that, over the previous decade, the Democrats were of such marginal importance that their verbal gaffes went unnoticed. Now that there is a Democrat center-stage, the gaffes will come be coming steady and thick. Foot-in-mouth disease is definitely bipartisan.

I do believe it's merely a contest of which party gets noticed more... It runs in cycles depending on which party is in power. Party-line bias doesn't change it...


Maybe, but it certainly helps when the Democrat in question is an eloquent, educated man, as opposed to the stuttering doofus who held his job previously.

[johnny karate]

You obviously haven't heard many press conferences by Mayor Daley.


"Stupid thing said by The President" trumps "stupid things said by a mayor" every time.

[WildCat]

"Stupid thing said by The President" trumps "stupid things said by a mayor" every time.
Are those goalposts that easy to move about?

[Grizzly Bear]

Maybe, but it certainly helps when the Democrat in question is an eloquent, educated man, as opposed to the stuttering doofus who held his job previously.

Somehow Biden doesn't quite fit in that area...

[BPSCG]

Somehow Biden doesn't quite fit in that area...True - Biden isn't a stuttering doofis.

[peptoabysmal]

Consider me burned.

It doesn't change the fact that over the last decade the verbal gaffes of Democrats is a drop in the ocean compared to the bottomless wellspring of stupid that's come from the Republicans.
That all depends on what the definition of "is" is. :D

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Ladies and gentleman, the police aren’t there to create disorder. The police are there to preserve disorder!

[Alareth]

Can anyone explain to me why an old man forgetting the name of a website and misunderstanding internet terminology is in any way newsworthy?

It's really sad that the partisanship in this country is so deep that each side has to dig this deep to create an attack on the other side.

[BPSCG]

Can anyone explain to me why an old man forgetting the name of a website and misunderstanding internet terminology is in any way newsworthy?My mother is about 15 years older than Biden, and the last person you would call knowledgeable about the interweb, and yet she's not so out of touch that she refers to a website's "number."

And she is not first in line to succeed the president.

It's really sad that the partisanship in this country is so deep that each side has to dig this deep to create an attack on the other side.Yes, it is. What have we come to when we savage our elected leaders for being out of touch (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bush+%22out+of+touch%22&aq=f&oq=)?

[Undesired Walrus]

My mother is about 15 years older than Biden, and the last person you would call knowledgeable about the interweb, and yet she's not so out of touch that she refers to a website's "number."

And she is not first in line to succeed the president.

Yes, it is. What have we come to when we savage our elected leaders for being out of touch (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bush+%22out+of+touch%22&aq=f&oq=)?

So you therefore agree with the reports in the link above?

If Bush had made the mistake Biden did, would it be fair for the left to jump all over it?

[BPSCG]

So you therefore agree with the reports in the link above?

If Bush had made the mistake Biden did, would it be fair for the left to jump all over it?The point is, the left did jump all over Bush for allegedly being "out of touch." The point is, the people jumping on Biden today did not start it; Biden is simply reaping what the left has been sowing for years.

Thomas Boswell is a sports writer for the Washington Post, and arguably one of the best writers on baseball alive. He is the author of a couple of wonderful books - How Life Imitates the World Series and Why Time Begins On Opening Day.

FWIW, I have no idea about Boswell's political leanings - he doesn't let his political views intrude on his sports writings, a practice a lot of other newspaper columnists might do well to emulate.

Boswell writes with passion and poetry.

Boswell also does a weekly online chat during the baseball season. Since the chat goes on in real time, you get to see how he really writes. To put it mildly, it is apparent from what he writes online, that the Post's editors do a lot of work on his columns, as did the editors of his books. Online, he's a mess (Michael Wilbon does much better, FWIW).

And yet, Dan Quayle is an idiot because he misspelled "potatoe" in front of a TV camera.

For many years, the left has done yeoman's work in portraying conservative politicians as stupid, bumbling, and out of touch, going back at least to Clark Clifford's calling Reagan "an amiable dunce." And now when people mock the buffoonish gasbag who is our vice-president, Alareth finds the partisanship in this country to be "sad."

Hypocrisy much?

[Lonewulf]

True - Biden isn't a stuttering doofis.

Some things are beyond mockery.

[Lonewulf]

The point is, the left did jump all over Bush for allegedly being "out of touch." The point is, the people jumping on Biden today did not start it; Biden is simply reaping what the left has been sowing for years.

Thomas Boswell is a sports writer for the Washington Post, and arguably one of the best writers on baseball alive. He is the author of a couple of wonderful books - How Life Imitates the World Series and Why Time Begins On Opening Day.

FWIW, I have no idea about Boswell's political leanings - he doesn't let his political views intrude on his sports writings, a practice a lot of other newspaper columnists might do well to emulate.

Boswell writes with passion and poetry.

Boswell also does a weekly online chat during the baseball season. Since the chat goes on in real time, you get to see how he really writes. To put it mildly, it is apparent from what he writes online, that the Post's editors do a lot of work on his columns, as did the editors of his books. Online, he's a mess (Michael Wilbon does much better, FWIW).

And yet, Dan Quayle is an idiot because he misspelled "potatoe" in front of a TV camera.

For many years, the left has done yeoman's work in portraying conservative politicians as stupid, bumbling, and out of touch, going back at least to Clark Clifford's calling Reagan "an amiable dunce." And now when people mock the buffoonish gasbag who is our vice-president, Alareth finds the partisanship in this country to be "sad."

Hypocrisy much?

Summary: "But he started it, mommy!"

[BPSCG]

Some things are beyond mockery.Argh. :boggled:

Of course, you understand how a careless slip of the finger can give you "doofis" when you want "doofus" (look at the keyboard), whereas substituting "you're" for "your" is clearly intentional.

Summary: "But he started it, mommy!"No. Summary: The left can dish it out for almost thirty years but can't take it for one month.

Or, summary: When the left makes mock of conservative politicians, it's okay because because conservatives are doofuses (doofi?); when the right makes mock of leftwing politicians, it's destructive partisanship at its worst.

Again, hypocrisy much?

[Cleon]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! People criticized Bush! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

[BPSCG]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! People criticized Bush! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Why are people making fun of Biden? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

See "can dish it out for 30 years but can't take it for one month," above.

Hypocrisy much?

Or do you actually believe Biden isn't a buffoonish gasbag?

[HarryKeogh]

The left can dish it out for almost thirty years but can't take it for one month.

Wow. When I made the first post in this thread I was using my cutting-edge brand of satire but you're really running with it!

[BPSCG]

Wow. When I made the first post in this thread I was using my cutting-edge brand of satire but you're really running with it!I made the first post in this thread. :p

[Cleon]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Why are people making fun of Biden? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
See "can dish it out for 30 years but can't take it for one month," above.

Hypocrisy much?

Or do you actually believe Biden isn't a buffoonish gasbag?

How cute. It's like you're ignoring the entire thread.

[BPSCG]

How cute. It's like you're ignoring the entire thread.Nope, just the posts that don't add anything of substance. Except for yours, obviously...

Now, do you have anything of substance to add? Would you care to argue against the proposition that Biden is a buffoon and a gasbag?

Or do you prefer to acknowledge that he is a buffoon and a gasbag, but that there are good resons that he should not be ridiculed?

Choose your weapon, sir.

[Lonewulf]

Argh. :boggled:

Of course, you understand how a careless slip of the finger can give you "doofis" when you want "doofus" (look at the keyboard), whereas substituting "you're" for "your" is clearly intentional.Not always. I've misspelled "your" as "you're" without thinking, as I type so fast and just want to get the words on my head onto the screen. I find the typos to be quite similar overall, really.

No. Summary: The left can dish it out for almost thirty years but can't take it for one month.

Or, summary: When the left makes mock of conservative politicians, it's okay because because conservatives are doofuses (doofi?); when the right makes mock of leftwing politicians, it's destructive partisanship at its worst.

Again, hypocrisy much?

I think my version is closer to the truth. Just more whining about the evil left. ;)

"Doofi" should be correct, I think. :cool:

[davefoc]

Can anyone explain to me why an old man forgetting the name of a website and misunderstanding internet terminology is in any way newsworthy?

It's really sad that the partisanship in this country is so deep that each side has to dig this deep to create an attack on the other side.

FWIW, I think partisanship is part of the reason for the problems the US faces right now. Bush was easily the worst president of my life, but Republican partisans defended him and Republican politicians exploited his weaknesses to savage the country with crony driven spending and massive fiscal irresponsibility.

People did make fun of Bush's common speaking errors, but the fact was that he misspoke often and any public figure would have been subject to some ridicule for this. I disagree with BPSCG's apparent point that this was driven principally by partisanship. Yes it is true that the Democratic base might have been a little quicker to laugh at Bush for this than the average citizen. But if a Democratic president had misspoken as often as Bush did I think the level of ridicule would have been about the same and the Republican base would have been a little quicker to think the jokes were funny than the average citizen.

I guess BPSCG is trying to make the point here that Biden's mistake here is similar to the kind of thing that Bush did and he's not being treated the same as Bush for it. There are several difficulties with BPSCG's pont I think:

1. Biden is not part of an administration that became very unpopular and it is to be expected that at the beginning of one's tenure the public is going to cut you more slack than at the end when you have become widely unpopular.

2. Biden's gaffes seem to be somewhat different than Bush's. Biden's often seem more like foot in mouth kind of gaffes. Bush's seemed to be more like the kind caused by a loss of concentration or mental sharpness while one is speaking that leads to garbled speech. I am not sure that public reaction to the two different kinds of gaffes is going to be the same.

3. Bush just made a lot more speaking errors than Biden does.

4. The president is a much more public figure than the vice president.

It is true that BPSCG along with many others that participate in this forum has conservative ideas about economics. I don't think he is one of the half dozen or so knee jerk Republican partisans floating around in this forum. I was surprised to see him pushing something like this. Perhaps there is at least some validity to his point that the media cuts Biden more slack because he's a Democrat. At the least it would be difficult to completely disprove.

[Cleon]

Nope, just the posts that don't add anything of substance.

That apparently translates to "posts that don't fit in with BPSCG's preconceived opinions."

Perhaps, instead of constantly whining about how unfairly Dear Leader was criticized for being the buffoon that he undoubtedly was, you might to want to consider getting the **** over it already.

Take a step back. You're accusing people of hypocrisy based on the fact that nobody jumped down Biden's throat because he said "web site number." I mean, really. That's just sad.

Do you not have any real political issues to talk about?
Are you seriously so angry and bitter that you start threads for no purpose than constructing accusations of hypocrisy against other posters?

And are you seriously so one-sided in your perception of reality that you think that's it's only been the so-called left "dishing it out for thirty years?" Were you in a coma during the Clinton years?

Sad.

[Undesired Walrus]

The point is, the left did jump all over Bush for allegedly being "out of touch." The point is, the people jumping on Biden today did not start it; Biden is simply reaping what the left has been sowing for years.

--

Hypocrisy much?

Hypocrisy? If the very people who criticised Bush for the exact same thing find this article unfair, then probably so.

That said, you are not simply using this thread to point out left-wing hypocrisy. You are very clearly using this Biden gaffe to cast doubt on his competence in the job.

You may be pointing out the hypocrites on the left, but, BPSCG, you have palpably just joined them.

[rwguinn]

...That said, you are not simply using this thread to point out left-wing hypocrisy. You are very clearly using this Biden gaffe to cast doubt on his competence in the job.

.../
I hear there's this guy willing to give mind readers a million US dollars if they can actually do it.
That's quite a stretch you're making there

[Shalamar]

I still find it sad and depressing that a skeptical site like the JREF still has burning, heated, angry arguments over which side of the political spectrum is the correct one.

There are people on here whom I wouldn't trust a word they type, since they feel the need to repeatedly bash, slam, and mock the opposing side.

[jmercer]

Folks, the exchanges here are drifting from debate to personalizing things... please avoid that in future posts.

Thanks!

[Lonewulf]

I hear there's this guy willing to give mind readers a million US dollars if they can actually do it.Hey, whaddya know, reading posts is now "mind-reading"! We're all slykick!

That's quite a stretch you're making there

Not really.

[Undesired Walrus]

I hear there's this guy willing to give mind readers a million US dollars if they can actually do it.
That's quite a stretch you're making there

That said, you are not simply using this thread to point out left-wing hypocrisy. You are very clearly using this Biden gaffe to cast doubt on his competence in the job.

My mother is about 15 years older than Biden, and the last person you would call knowledgeable about the interweb, and yet she's not so out of touch that she refers to a website's "number."

And she is not first in line to succeed the president.

What else does that imply?

[Lonewulf]

What else does that imply?

Why, obviously, nothing at all! Just that conversative mothers are so dear and cute, just like Biden, and thus should be elected vice president! What, you can't "get" it? :D

[Cicero]

Why, obviously, nothing at all! Just that conversative mothers are so dear and cute, just like Biden, and thus should be elected vice president! What, you can't "get" it? :D

I don't think Biden assumed cuteness until after the hair plugs.

[BPSCG]

What else does that imply?Oh, I dunno, maybe just that Vice-President Joe "Just a Regular Guy" Biden should be a little more in touch with the everyday world than an 81-year-old woman living in a retirement community.

But maybe we should cut him some slack. Just like we did President George H. W. Bush when he was supposedly "amazed" at supermarket scanner technology (http://www.snopes.com/history/american/bushscan.asp).

Not.

[Lonewulf]

...That said, you are not simply using this thread to point out left-wing hypocrisy. You are very clearly using this Biden gaffe to cast doubt on his competence in the job.

.../
Oh, I dunno, maybe just that Vice-President Joe "Just a Regular Guy" Biden should be a little more in touch with the everyday world than an 81-year-old woman living in a retirement community.


Looks like this claim here:
That's quite a stretch you're making there

Is wrong.

Moving on.

[alfaniner]

I can see getting the term "website address" getting mixed up with "website number". I doubt that most people would even know enough to call it a "URL", much less what it actually stands for.

[rwguinn]

Looks like this claim here:


Is wrong.

Moving on.
I reckon it all depends on whether you have a vested emotional interest in one side or the other...

moving on, as ordered, sir!:)

[Undesired Walrus]

Oh, I dunno, maybe just that Vice-President Joe "Just a Regular Guy" Biden should be a little more in touch with the everyday world than an 81-year-old woman living in a retirement community.

But maybe we should cut him some slack. Just like we did President George H. W. Bush when he was supposedly "amazed" at supermarket scanner technology (http://www.snopes.com/history/american/bushscan.asp).

Not.

You seem to be honestly confused. You think it is a bad thing, an unfair thing, when Bush is called 'out of touch' and ridiculed for sounding like an idiot, but when Biden does the exact same thing, it is worrying that someone 'first in line to succeed the president' is this moronic. You should try and decide what your actual position is.

Incidently, Do I need to remind you that if any politician milked the 'just an regular guy' slogan, it was the Republican nominee of 2000 and 2004?

[BPSCG]

You seem to be honestly confused. You think it is a bad thing, an unfair thing, when Bush is called 'out of touch' and ridiculed for sounding like an idiot, but when Biden does the exact same thing, it is worrying that someone 'first in line to succeed the president' is this moronic. Nope. Google "sauce goose gander" for an explanation.

[Lonewulf]

Nope. Google "sauce goose gander" for an explanation.

A pithy phrase that barely covers a Tu Quoque fallacy.

Color me unimpressed.

[Alareth]

True - Biden isn't a stuttering doofis.

Some things are beyond mockery.

There is something serendipitous about all this ...

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=219506&title=Fox-News-Reports-Joe-Biden%27s-Gaffe

[Lonewulf]

Bwahahahaha.

Throwing rocks in a glass house. :D

[ParanoidAndroid]

Nope. Google "sauce goose gander" for an explanation.


Yes, yes; an eye for an eye and all that…it's not a subtle “point” you make. You made fun of my President’s speaking deficiencies so I’ll make fun of your………oh yeah; well, your VP can’t talk too good sometimes; so there!

Bush was a train wreck of a speaker and Biden’s not exactly eloquent either. Does that about cover it…anything a bit more substantive about which to gripe?

[rwguinn]

Yes, yes; an eye for an eye and all that…it's not a subtle “point” you make. You made fun of my President’s speaking deficiencies so I’ll make fun of your………oh yeah; well, your VP can’t talk too good sometimes; so there!

Bush was a train wreck of a speaker and Biden’s not exactly eloquent either. Does that about cover it…anything a bit more substantive about which to gripe?
Do you people ever actually REVIEW what you spout with a critical eye?
Or is shooting from the hip target a Democrat trait?

[ParanoidAndroid]

Do you people ever actually REVIEW what you spout with a critical eye?
Or is shooting from the hip target a Democrat trait?
...categorist's word choices bolded by PA...


Though I'm not a Democrat, my interest is stirred. Pray tell, expound on your insight...and please tell me it concerns more than picking nits over the punctuation, spelling, or grammar of a web post, at the very least.

[Lonewulf]

Do you people ever actually REVIEW what you spout with a critical eye?
Or is shooting from the hip target a Democrat trait?

"shooting from the hip target"? I don't know what shooting you do, buddy, but I can't think of many professionals that would want a target on their hips.

[The Painter]

"shooting from the hip target"? I don't know what shooting you do, buddy, but I can't think of many professionals that would want a target on their hips.

Strippers. That target is where you put the dollars

[Lonewulf]

Strippers. That target is where you put the dollars

Ah, so rwguinn is a stripper in disguise.

That explains... well, not much really. :)

[rwguinn]

Ah, so rwguinn is a stripper in disguise.

That explains... well, not much really. :)
You DO NOT want to envision that. Unless you're into nightmares...:D
My point was simply this:
Bush was a lousy speaker. He let his mouth get ahead of his brain quite frequently, and he doesn't have the vocabulary of the sophisticated set, whomever they are.
He isn't stupid, or he'd never have made it that far.
Biden is a lousy speaker. His mouth gets ahead of his brain fairly frequently. He has an immense vocabulary.
He, also, is not stupid.
Yet it is OK to Ad Hom against Bush, because we hate him.
It is not OK to Ad Hom Biden, 'cuz we love him.
See any difference?

[Lonewulf]

Yet it is OK to Ad Hom against Bush, because we hate him.
It is not OK to Ad Hom Biden, 'cuz we love him.
See any difference?

Not really, as it's BPSCG that's the one that was suggesting that it was badwrong to "Ad Hom", as you put it, against Bush (or at least, that's how I read him, I may be wrong). No one's been up in arms about using an "Ad Hom" against Joe Biden, as far as I know. It's just that the one thing to "Ad Hom" against him is pretty dang minor, compared to nearly 8 years of Bushisms. And "literally dropkick us out of recession" is pretty minor too, since that's a very common misuse of the word "literally".

[rwguinn]

Not really, as it's BPSCG that's the one that was suggesting that it was badwrong to "Ad Hom", as you put it, against Bush (or at least, that's how I read him, I may be wrong). No one's been up in arms about using an "Ad Hom" against Joe Biden, as far as I know. It's just that the one thing to "Ad Hom" against him is pretty dang minor, compared to nearly 8 years of Bushisms. And "literally dropkick us out of recession" is pretty minor too, since that's a very common misuse of the word "literally".
See there--you did it again.
It either is or is no Ok. "pretty minor"?
Whatever. I think there are many, many sets of blinders being worn, and one size fits all.

[Lonewulf]

See there--you did it again.
It either is or is no Ok. "pretty minor"?
Whatever. I think there are many, many sets of blinders being worn, and one size fits all.

And I think the same of you. You think that one mistake is directly equal to another, or a series thereof. I beg to differ.

[ParanoidAndroid]

rwguinn,

Did I miss the post where you explain how my post (#73), to which you took exception, demonstrates this double-edged Ad-Hom approach you have asserted.

I’ve already agreed that neither Bush nor Biden can speak dependably. My problem isn’t with people critiquing Biden for his gaffs; by all means, have at it. He says things ranging from joke material to ridicule worthy.

I was noting the immaturity and insipidity of the tit-for-tat, scorekeeping, ‘I know you are but what am I' defense for commenting on Biden’s gaffs employed by some on this thread. Invoking the ‘you started it’ defense diminishes even the comic value of poking at Biden. It makes the issuer look…less admirable and pettier than if they had simply taken comic liberty.

See the difference between what you assert and what I was saying?

Some people are guilty of the Ad-Hom you describe. Explain where you perceive that I was. Or is it possible you just misspoke?

[rwguinn]

rwguinn,

Did I miss the post where you explain how my post (#73), to which you took exception, demonstrates this double-edged Ad-Hom approach you have asserted.

I’ve already agreed that neither Bush nor Biden can speak dependably. My problem isn’t with people critiquing Biden for his gaffs; by all means, have at it. He says things ranging from joke material to ridicule worthy.

I was noting the immaturity and insipidity of the tit-for-tat, scorekeeping, ‘I know you are but what am I' defense for commenting on Biden’s gaffs employed by some on this thread. Invoking the ‘you started it’ defense diminishes even the comic value of poking at Biden. It makes the issuer look…less admirable and pettier than if they had simply taken comic liberty.

See the difference between what you assert and what I was saying?

Some people are guilty of the Ad-Hom you describe. Explain where you perceive that I was. Or is it possible you just misspoke?
My apologies, sir:
Yours was simply the last of the posts at the time, and I quoted you rather than just hitting "reply"
The objections of the "bush haters" to "Obama slurs" are just as juvenile as the other way around.
I just find it amazing that THEY don't think so.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Fair enough; apology accepted.

[Grizzly Bear]

I take issue with a good deal of what Biden says, and a few have made me come to consider him a moron to be honest. But my views against him have much less to do with "score keeping" than it does with many in the liberal politics letting their biases get the better of them. During the vice presidential debate between Biden and senator Palin one of Biden's major errors was his misinterpretation of the constitution and the vice president's role in its work. He also had gaffes with the numbers he was pushing for the expenditures on the Iraq war. What got me was the stunning level of attention devoted to Palin's gaffe with Kurich not being able to name a local newspaper and the comparative lack thereof of errors which carried more weight. This isn't to say that the liberal politics had nothing to complain about with Palin during the election season, but based on what I saw in the news coverage, there was much more focus on the Republican platform's gaffes. Because I can guarantee that some of the gaffe Biden made would have resulted in much harsher criticism if he were a conservative equivalent.

As much as I think Biden's an idiot though, I'd rather focus on the actual practices than my own bias which I'm sure is clear in my own posting when I feel daring enough to step into political discussions. Hopefully nobody takes my vocal opinions as character assassination, if so I apologize I'm expressing the statements as opinions not as significant components of the argument I'm trying to get across.