Sir David Attenborough Finds Yeti Evidence Convincing

[William Parcher]

Yeti evidence is 'convincing' says wildlife expert Sir David Attenborough (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1157965/Yeti-evidence-convincing-says-wildlife-expert-Sir-David-Attenborough.html)


Daily Mail Online...

Sir David Attenborough believes there is 'very convincing' evidence that yetis exist.

Speaking on Friday Night With Jonathan Ross, the revered wildlife expert said: 'I'm baffled by the Abominable Snowman - very convincing footprints have been found at 19,000ft.

'No-one does that for a joke. I think it's unanswered.'


http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_04/yeti2L2609_468x322.jpg

[Soapy Sam]

No one as inherently sensible and decent as David Attenburgh would play such a prank.
He might be making the common mistake of many sensible and decent people of supposing everyone else to be equally sensible and decent.

I find it very unlikely such a large creature can exist in the high Himalaya, but if it does, we will find out sooner or later.

[SnuffSnuff]

Yeti evidence is 'convincing' says wildlife expert Sir David Attenborough (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1157965/Yeti-evidence-convincing-says-wildlife-expert-Sir-David-Attenborough.html)


Daily Mail Online...




http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_04/yeti2L2609_468x322.jpg

:hb:

...I don't even need to explain how footprints alone aren't evidence.

[Bikewer]

I remember many years ago St. Louis Zoo director Marlin Perkins showing how melting could cause prints of common animals like foxes to melt together into very convincing primate-looking prints.

[George152]

[QUOTE=William Parcher;4473433]Yeti evidence is 'convincing' says wildlife expert Sir David Attenborough (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1157965/Yeti-evidence-convincing-says-wildlife-expert-Sir-David-Attenborough.html)


One of the sad things about aging is the loss of mental acuity in those who have built up a cult like following

[Cavemonster]

It's an article from the Daily mail, spinning a comment that is essentially
"I don't have a good explanation for that footprint from the 50's"

This is more an offhand comment from a larger conversation taken out of context than anything else.

[kitakaze]

Pick your yeti:

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200712/r207968_794796.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1157965/Yeti-evidence-convincing-says-wildlife-expert-Sir-David-Attenborough.html

[Correa Neto]

What cavemonster said.

Context, please?

[William Parcher]

Video (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/article2281623.ece) of the clip from the show gives the context.

[Undesired Walrus]

To respond to the blasphemy that is going on in this thread ('David is going gah-gah' etc), there is a large difference between what the Mail declares is Attenborough "believ(ing) there is 'very convincing' evidence that yetis exist" and "very convincing footprints". It's Attenborough giving an excitable audience a thin stick to chew on without selling out his skeptical mind.

There's even a further difference between what Attenborough said and what the above Sun article declares with "SIR DAVID: YETIS REAL!". But what else to expect from that waste of paper?

[kitakaze]

Thanks, WP. Pretty cut and dry. Smart guy who doesn't have all the information or gave it proper thought.

Bigfoot enthusiasts will go at this like a four year old on a pile of brownies.

[William Parcher]

Smart guy who doesn't have all the information or gave it proper thought.

He had his opportunity to say exactly that, but didn't. He basically said what many Bigfooters say. Nobody would be faking tracks in extremely remote places.

Bigfoot enthusiasts will go at this like a four year old on a pile of brownies.

They might.

BFF thread. (http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=25487&pid=520470&st=0&#entry520470)

[Cavemonster]

He had his opportunity to say exactly that, but didn't.

At the end of the clip, where he's asked essentially whether what's he's been talking about implies that he believes a yeti existing is likely, he gets cut off quickly by the presenter in the middle of a sentence that starts out "Well, yes-"

This doesn't exactly feel like a hard hitting news show, or an exhaustive academic discussion, it's a puff piece.

[Jeff Corey]

Did anyone notice how many toes that print showed? I made some boots a few years ago that left a print with only four toes, just for the hell of it. It was only size 12 (US) so I called it Somewhat Large Foot.

[Sir Robin Goodfellow]

Even if he said, "You better believe bigfoot is real, 'cause I totally like, saw one this one time and stuff!", that doesn't mean that he couldn't be wrong. Just because an educated, famous scientist believes something doesn't make that thing automatically true. If Stephen Hawking told me that he believed that he had been abducted by aliens, I would think that he was mistaken. Even highly educated and intelligent people can be wrong.

[UnrepentantSinner]

This might give footers some fodder but otherwise it's a big heap of Meh. He still has oodles of cred with me.

[LTC8K6]

Yes, bigfoot and his relatives seem to have very variable feet...

[manofthesea]

Who's David Attenburger? (joke) He's not refering to the Shipman (or Shipley) print is he?

[zooterkin]

I don't for one minute think that David Attenborough is convinced that the Yeti exists. I would suspect he would quite like it to, but that's not the same thing at all. In his work, he has seen and been involved with the filming of many things previously unsuspected, or thought to no longer exist, so he may still have an open mind on this. Conversely, given that he's a pretty bright chap, he may have a realistic view on the existence of an undetected primate, but also know what goes down well on a light-hearted chat show (and bear in mind also that it is one which is edited before transmission, so we don't know all that he said).

What I wonder about is the end of the Daily Mail article, when they slip in his comments about global warming. Are they subtly trying to undermine those, by implying he's a crackpot who believes in Abominable Snowmen?

[Pixel42]

As I type this six of the first ten threads in this forum are about Big Foot. Now here's one about Yeti, prompted by a throwaway remark on a chat show.

Am I the only regular reader of this forum who does not give a toss whether Big Foot exists or not, and has trouble seeing the relevance of the subject to a forum about the paranormal? If not, can I ask - nay beg - the mods to create a subforum for the subject of mythical monsters, where those who do care (for God knows what reason) can discuss them to their hearts' content without bothering the rest of us?

[LTC8K6]

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=175

And a forum for these threads too, I guess...

Can't see why the objection to the bigfoot threads with so many other wacky threads.

[kitakaze]

Who's David Attenburger?

Lord of the Jinns.;)

[kitakaze]

As I type this six of the first ten threads in this forum are about Big Foot.

A few days ago it was one or two on the page. It's a forum an certain topics flucuate. If makaya325 starts gatling posting, you'll see BF threads capping the GS&P like a beer head (which is most likely what he is drinking at the time).

Now here's one about Yeti, prompted by a throwaway remark on a chat show.

It's the type of thing that Bigfoot enthusiasts get excited about and start waving their hands about. We anticipate this.

Am I the only regular reader of this forum who does not give a toss whether Big Foot exists or not, and has trouble seeing the relevance of the subject to a forum about the paranormal? If not, can I ask - nay beg - the mods to create a subforum for the subject of mythical monsters, where those who do care (for God knows what reason) can discuss them to their hearts' content without bothering the rest of us?

You are not the only member who feels that way. Feel free to voice your opinion on the subject in a thread devoted to it in Forum Management:

Can all the Bigfoot threads please have their own subforum? (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=133161)

There are certain topics I don't find myself very interested in things like homeopathy. It's not really paranormal but fits under general skepticism. Bigfoot is often argued to have a paranormal angle such as the Bigfoot = Fallen Angels thread you can see there. Even without that element it fits quite well in general skepticism and is popular (though mystifyingly so for some).

I am fascinated with Bigfootery because of the personalities and belief systems involved which are very like many other woo. I also have a long attraction and appreciation for the Bigfoot myth.

[Moochie]

Whatever the case, I would want something more compelling than an easily counterfeited footprint in the snow to make me even begin to consider the possibility of "Yeti's" existence.


M.

[Blackadder]

Old news. I knew that 25 years ago as a young boy:

http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/uploads/tintin_in_tibet_1960.jpg

[RayG]

Old news. I knew that 25 years ago as a young boy:

Bigfoot tracks and snow-covered mountains always reminds me of this...

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/23249aaaf6fdbaca.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=15462)

RayG

[Drewbot]

Fascinating information about the Shipton print, and the connection of YETI --> BIGFOOT. High amount of info in this article.

http://www.bermuda-triangle.org/html/gigantopithecus--_the_jury-rig.html


Tschernesky wrote a very influential article in the Manchester Guardian about his examination of the Shipton Print, declaring it to belong to a giant. This surprisingly and openly contradicted the Yeti Expedition’s findings. Izzard and Stonor were definite that based on Sherpa stories, the Yeti was no bigger than the size of an average boy of 14 years age. It was between 5 to 6 feet at best, covered in cinnamon hair, had a tall sagittal crest (cone-like head) with a crest of bristly hair down the middle. It yelped, howled, and chattered its teeth. It was omnivorous, and when chasing cattle was even known to go down on all fours.

[William Parcher]

At the end of the clip, where he's asked essentially whether what's he's been talking about implies that he believes a yeti existing is likely, he gets cut off quickly by the presenter in the middle of a sentence that starts out "Well, yes-"

I don't think he was cut off in mid-sentence. "Yes" was his answer to the question. Watch again.


(and bear in mind also that it is one which is edited before transmission, so we don't know all that he said).

Of course they can edit, but we can see no breaks in the continuity of the clip provided by The Sun. Do you see/hear evidence of a production edit within that clip?

[manofthesea]

It's the type of thing that Bigfoot enthusiasts get excited about and start waving their hands about. We anticipate this.


You anticipate wrongly. Seems like Attenborough is only attempting to restore value to that print that was recently auctioned for an exhorbitant amount. This seems more like an action from a shipton-cake (like pattycake).

Here in the US we have actual scientists actually searching for actual evidence and proof of bigfoot.

[Cavemonster]

I don't think he was cut off in mid-sentence. "Yes" was his answer to the question. Watch again.


I watched it again, and I think you're right, the host comes in quickly, but Attenborough seems to be done speaking.

In the larger context of the interview though, Attenborough's message seems to be that the footprint is puzzling, that it may leave the question open, rather than that it makes the existence of a Yeti seem likely.

I can't say, just on the basis of this clip that he doesn't believe that a yeti exists, but it's a casual fluff interview on a light news show, done to promote other work. If he went on Conan O'brien I wouldn't work from the assumption that everything he said was a clear window into his mind, and I think the same applies here. the tone is playful and speculative. Off the cuff.

[shandyjan]

It was the Jonathon Ross show..which isnt news, but comedy light entertainment. Nothing serious gets to play out on that show. I'd wait to see more, I dont think he's not skeptical... just liking and hoping it pans out in his lifetime.

[William Parcher]

I like Attenborough a lot. I've got Life of Birds, Life of Mammals and Blue Planet on DVD. It will be interesting to see if this goes anywhere. The Bigfooters made quite a big deal when they learned that Goodall believes in Bigfoot and Yeti after saying so on National Public Radio.

Here's some sifaka fun in honor of Sir David.


http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w310/william_parcher/7608b2a8.jpg

[kitakaze]

You anticipate wrongly.

You missed WP's link?

Here in the US we have actual scientists actually searching for actual evidence and proof of bigfoot.

You must tell little mak this. Maybe he'll listen to you.

[LONGTABBER PE]

Here in the US we have actual scientists actually searching for actual evidence and proof of bigfoot.

Yeah and they have done a wonderful job so far. Bigfoot orgies, peafowl diets, 30 foot steps, no consistent dermals, and rocks thrown at a cabin with those scientists hiding.

Yep, absolutely stellar performance for those scientists, Yesseriee. I bet Bindernagel is going to sew the garment shut with his account.

I'm sure his "scientific" account will be right up there with Fahrenbach's famous talk and Meldrum's foot evidence.

[Correa Neto]

Well, I gess we all (OK, with the exception of many a footer) know that the Goodall Foundation removed the Wikipedia citation regarding her support to bigfootery. I would not be surprised to see history repeating.

BTW, what if Attenborough is not very well informed on things bigfoot-related?

[manofthesea]

BTW, what if Attenborough is not very well informed on things bigfoot-related?

I think he's refering to yeti. But I must congratulate you on keeping his religion out of this. He must be an avowed member of the Church of England. I gess that carries more credibility than being a Mormon.

Perhaps Davey boy will apply real science here and have the footprint classified Anthropoides Nepaliborealis or something sciency like that.

[xblade]

Why would there be only one footprint?

[manofthesea]

Yeah and they have done a wonderful job so far. Bigfoot orgies, peafowl diets, 30 foot steps, no consistent dermals, and rocks thrown at a cabin with those scientists hiding.

I'm sure his "scientific" account will be right up there with Fahrenbach's famous talk and Meldrum's foot evidence.

I was refering to Americans. I believe that Dr. Fahrenback is a Euro. Along the lines of that Russian Dr. who gets along so well with the pancake lady. Must be the southern "hospitality".

It wasn't too long ago, months in fact, that another American scientist was met with the same derision and ridicule here at JREF. His name is Dr. Hansen from NASA and he proposes global warming and tipping points. I don't think they hold any animosity towards cynics and naysayers however, it comes with the territory.

[kitakaze]

I think he's refering to yeti.

Yeti is not Bigfoot-related? It's the jinns right? Tell me it's a jinn thing.;)

[kitakaze]

Here in the US we have actual scientists actually searching for actual evidence and proof of bigfoot.


I was refering to Americans. I believe that Dr. Fahrenback is a Euro. Along the lines of that Russian Dr. who gets along so well with the pancake lady. Must be the southern "hospitality".

Fahrenbach was not a scientist in the U.S. trying to support Bigfoot with science and attempting to make scientific observations about them?

It wasn't too long ago, months in fact, that another American scientist was met with the same derision and ridicule here at JREF. His name is Dr. Hansen from NASA and he proposes global warming and tipping points. I don't think they hold any animosity towards cynics and naysayers however, it comes with the territory.

OT. Original Tang.

[zooterkin]

I was refering to Americans. I believe that Dr. Fahrenback is a Euro. Along the lines of that Russian Dr. who gets along so well with the pancake lady. Must be the southern "hospitality".

It wasn't too long ago, months in fact, that another American scientist was met with the same derision and ridicule here at JREF. His name is Dr. Hansen from NASA and he proposes global warming and tipping points. I don't think they hold any animosity towards cynics and naysayers however, it comes with the territory.

Has anyone got the decoder ring for this post? I'm obviously missing a host of allusions, but I have no idea what it's talking about, nor its relevance to David Attenborough and Yetis.

[kitakaze]

I often find MOTS' posts akin to what Dennis Miller would come off like if he had not a bit of funny in him and was on both heavy amounts of LSD and sedatives. Zooterkin, I am either somewhat embarrassed or appallingly proud that I can decipher some of that gobbledy-gook. The first part, anyway.

MOTS starts with a reference to a one Wolf Henner Fahrenbach. A 77 year old retired scientist originally form Germany living in Arizona. He is said to have a Ph.D in marine biology. He once wrote a paper on horseshoe crabs, believes Bigfoots participate in orgies and are highly resistent to conventional firearms. He is touted by many Bigfoot enthusiasts as a key mind in Bigfootery.

MOTS then gets his wires crossed a bit. He refers to the infamous Janice Carter in Tennessee who lives on a farm she explains is frequented by a clan of Bigfoots who's patriarch Fox often knocks on the door and asks for garlic in guttural English. Carter's farm was visited by Russian scientist Igor Bourtsev who believed her to be the Jane Goodall of Bigfoot.

Here are their escapades and they are stunning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZgd4rLrdOc

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/igor.htm

MOTS mistakenly mentioned pancakes instead of garlic which was due to a well-known controversary in Bigfootery regarding a video allegedy depicting Bigfoot eating pancakes shot in Kentucky by Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization president, Matt Moneymaker. Here's is a link to that debacle:

http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/lawsuit1/

I am both fascinated and repulsed when I state that every single statement I have just made is true and not any type of elaborate farce invented by me.:D

[dafydd]

I think he's refering to yeti. But I must congratulate you on keeping his religion out of this. He must be an avowed member of the Church of England. I gess that carries more credibility than being a Mormon.

Perhaps Davey boy will apply real science here and have the footprint classified Anthropoides Nepaliborealis or something sciency like that.

Sir David is not a member of the Church Of England. A quote from the man himself.


"They tell me to burn in hell and good riddance," Sir David said, explaining that he is regularly asked why he does not "give credit" to the Lord for creating the flora and fauna featured in his programmes.

"They always mean beautiful things like hummingbirds. I always reply by saying that I think of a little child in East Africa with a worm burrowing through his eyeball. The worm cannot live in any other way, except by burrowing through eyeballs. I find that hard to reconcile with the notion of a divine and benevolent creator."

Sir David said he was raised in a religion-free household and it had "never really occurred to me to believe in God... I do remember looking at my headmaster delivering a sermon, a classicist, extremely clever - and thinking, 'He can't really believe all that, can he? How incredible!'"

He told of his exasperation when people ask: 'What is a mosquito for? They're no good for anything!' Sir David said he despaired of "that basic notion that the world is our oyster, that we have dominion over all things, that they are here for us". Asked where the notion came from, he replied: "The Bible, of course. Genesis, chapter one."

In an interview with the Radio Times, Sir David, 82, attacked the "terrible, terrible" fact that some British state schools are allowed to teach children that creationism and evolution have equal merit. "It's like saying that two and two equals four but, if you wish it, it could also be five. This is one of the errors. Evolution is not a theory. It is a fact, every bit as much as the historical fact that William the Conqueror landed in 1066. Indeed, more so, because all we have to tell us about William are a few bits of paper here or there - not very much at all. For evolution we have much more evidence: palaeontology, embryology, biology, geology.

"Darwin revolutionised the way we see the world fundamentally, but his basic proposition is still not taken on board by a lot of people." Sir David acknowledged, however, that "it would be a very bold scientist, and certainly not me, who believes it's the be all and end all".

[kitakaze]

Bigfoot enthusiasts will go at this like a four year old on a pile of brownies.

They might.

BFF thread. (http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=25487&pid=520470&st=0&#entry520470)

Cheap a simps up the the hump:

http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/attenborough-yeti/

[Hitch]

I often find MOTS' posts akin to what Dennis Miller would come off like if he had not a bit of funny in him and was on both heavy amounts of LSD and sedatives. Zooterkin, I am either somewhat embarrassed or appallingly proud that I can decipher some of that gobbledy-gook. The first part, anyway.

MOTS starts with a reference to a one Wolf Henner Fahrenbach. A 77 year old retired scientist originally form Germany living in Arizona. He is said to have a Ph.D in marine biology. He once wrote a paper on horseshoe crabs, believes Bigfoots participate in orgies and are highly resistent to conventional firearms. He is touted by many Bigfoot enthusiasts as a key mind in Bigfootery.

MOTS then gets his wires crossed a bit. He refers to the infamous Janice Carter in Tennessee who lives on a farm she explains is frequented by a clan of Bigfoots who's patriarch Fox often knocks on the door and asks for garlic in guttural English. Carter's farm was visited by Russian scientist Igor Bourtsev who believed her to be the Jane Goodall of Bigfoot.

Here are their escapades and they are stunning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZgd4rLrdOc

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/igor.htm

MOTS mistakenly mentioned pancakes instead of garlic which was due to a well-known controversary in Bigfootery regarding a video allegedy depicting Bigfoot eating pancakes shot in Kentucky by Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization president, Matt Moneymaker. Here's is a link to that debacle:

http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/lawsuit1/

I am both fascinated and repulsed when I state that every single statement I have just made is true and not any type of elaborate farce invented by me.:D

You type a post like that and realize just how "on the money" William Parcher's sig quote is.

[zooterkin]

I often find MOTS' posts akin to what Dennis Miller would come off like if he had not a bit of funny in him and was on both heavy amounts of LSD and sedatives. Zooterkin, I am either somewhat embarrassed or appallingly proud that I can decipher some of that gobbledy-gook.

Thanks, much appreciated!


Cheap a simps up the the hump:


You just lost me again...

[LTC8K6]

You just lost me again...

Youtube video of Patty, the MK Davis bits, set to Neil Young's "We R in Control"

One line is "We control the chief of staff"

Chief of Staff sounds like Cheap a simp...and fits Patty...and is hilarious, imo.

[LTC8K6]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W05chByjNFE

[William Parcher]

Why would there be only one footprint?

There was a trackway. But those look different than the individual track. Also, you get the opportunity to pick 4 or 5 toes.


http://blogs.elcorreodigital.com/blogfiles/magonia/HuellasYeti.jpg http://www.rfthomas.clara.net/papers/images/yetiprint.jpg http://www.bigfootencounters.com/images/yeti_sketchshipton.jpg http://www.bigfootencounters.com/images/yet12.jpg

http://alamas.ru/images/Shipton3.jpg http://alamas.ru/images/Shipton2.jpg

[William Parcher]

Old news. I knew that 25 years ago as a young boy:

http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/uploads/tintin_in_tibet_1960.jpg


When they finally run into the Yeti, his head is just like the hoax scalp made from goat skin.

http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/there%20are%20no%20good%20yeti%20pictures%20on%20t he%20internet.jpg http://www.theblackvault.com/wiki/images/thumb/Yetiscalp.JPG/250px-Yetiscalp.JPG http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_lSC-vZM6ayQ/R1hSl3cod9I/AAAAAAAAAYI/cpcHQ3fxJQM/s320/yeti-head.jpg

http://www.klausdierks.com/images/Himalaya_Khumbu_Pangpoche_12.jpg

[manofthesea]

MOTS then gets his wires crossed a bit. He refers to the infamous Janice Carter in Tennessee who lives on a farm she explains is frequented by a clan of Bigfoots who's patriarch Fox often knocks on the door and asks for garlic in guttural English. Carter's farm was visited by Russian scientist Igor Bourtsev who believed her to be the Jane Goodall of Bigfoot.



MOTS mistakenly mentioned pancakes instead of garlic which was due to a well-known controversary in Bigfootery regarding a video allegedy depicting Bigfoot eating pancakes shot in Kentucky by Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization president, Matt Moneymaker. Here's is a link to that debacle:

[
.:D

You are wrong again. Dr. Igor demonstrated how bigfoot ate pancakes at the Carter farm on one of the bigfoot specials.

[William Parcher]

Dr. Igor


It's not apparent that Igor Bourtsev is a "Dr." (as in PhD). I think he has a degree in Russian History. In Russia, the terms Hominology and Hominologist are the equivalent of Bigfootery and Bigfooter.

Igor Bourtsev, born in 1940, candidate of historical sciences, publisher, president of the Cryptosphere Fund for furthering scientific searches and explorations, director of the International Center of Hominology.


The International Center of Hominology (http://hominology.narod.ru/eng.htm)

[William Parcher]

More on the Sir David Yeti thing... (http://blogs.forteana.org/node/69)

Jonathan Ross: "... Let's do a show like with Andrew Loyd Webber. You could still be the Abominable Snowman. How exciting that that would be. That would be great if they found something like that. That's really what would excite us a big species like that."

[kitakaze]

You are wrong again. Dr. Igor demonstrated how bigfoot ate pancakes at the Carter farm on one of the bigfoot specials.

Doctor? You'll have to show me the link with Bourtsev and the pancakes. That would be rather coincidental to Moneymaker's Kentucky video. In the program I linked he demonstrates BF deer hunting methods.

[makaya325]

Kitz, why in the hell do you like mocking people who are seriously trying to research bigfoot in an unbiased way, unlike your scoftic way. "Dont tell me the facts, my minds made up"

[kitakaze]

1) Please point out where in post #42 I have mocked any serious Bigfoot researcher rather than relayed straight unaltered facts about them.

2) You are once again after many times being warned not to, attributing a false quote to me. Please stop doing that. I know that you are attempting to state you opinion of my position. You are doing so in a way that many find unacceptable such as was recently made clear in discussion with Bill Munns.

ETA:

3)

Kitz, why in the hell do you like mocking people who are seriously trying to research bigfoot in an unbiased way, unlike your scoftic way. "Dont tell me the facts, my minds made up"

Im am biased as ****! Deal with it. Yes, i said it!

Waiter, my food is dumb. Can I have jumbo plate of irony with a little hypocrite on the side?

[makaya325]

2) You are once again after many times being warned not to, attributing a false quote to me. Please stop doing that. I know that you are attempting to state you opinion of my position. You are doing so in a way that many find unacceptable such as was recently made clear in discussion with Bill Munns.

ETA:

3)

I have a feeling you are a hypocrite




Waiter, my food is dumb. Can I have jumbo plate of irony with a little hypocrite on the side?[/QUOTE]

[kitakaze]

Quote mess dodge.

I have no idea what I'm talking about and can't back up what I was putting on kitakaze so I'll just make a nuh-uh post.

Fixed it. You were warned (http://http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4483463#post4483463).

[manofthesea]

Bigfoot enthusiasts will go at this like a four year old on a pile of brownies.

Perhaps you meant to say a plateful of broccoli.
There's been a couple of responses in the past three days at BFF. One stated that there must be other high altitude prints in the Himalayas and not only the Shipton photograph. (Discounting the encounter by Ed Viesturs, a Seattle native and the best climber in the world, probably not known by footers)

The other stated that this was very interesting, yes indeedy.

Bigfooters are American, with some kooky canucks, and remember that we had to have Sigourny (sp) Weaver narrate Planet Earth because no one here could tolerate a week long series full of bad English. Cheers.

[kitakaze]

Perhaps you meant to say a plateful of broccoli.
There's been a couple of responses in the past three days at BFF. One stated that there must be other high altitude prints in the Himalayas and not only the Shipton photograph. (Discounting the encounter by Ed Viesturs, a Seattle native and the best climber in the world, probably not known by footers)

The other stated that this was very interesting, yes indeedy.

Bill Green, mascot of Bigfootery. Remember the plane crash in the side of the mountain you thought was the target of a sasquatch attack?

Bigfooters are American, with some kooky canucks, and remember that we had to have Sigourny (sp) Weaver narrate Planet Earth because no one here could tolerate a week long series full of bad English. Cheers.

Yes, good point. I chocolate Wednesday finger manager it kiwi.

(Don't forget the Malaysians, Australians, etc.)

[manofthesea]

Remember the plane crash in the side of the mountain you thought was the target of a sasquatch attack?



No. But I remember the instance of those east coast climbers who tried to day hike Mt. Hood midwinter.

[manofthesea]

Yes, good point. I chocolate Wednesday finger manager it kiwi.

(Don't forget the Malaysians, Australians, etc.)

(So where exactly do you and Parcher manage to insert your finger and have it come out chocolatey, kiwi?)

Are you proposing that Malay and Australia have bigfeet? I haven't seen one single poster at JREF supporting either. If you're attempting to include those as bigfoot in these discussions then it would be fair to group bigfoot skeptics in the same group with GW denialists.

[xblade]

(So where exactly do you and Parcher manage to insert your finger and have it come out chocolatey, kiwi?)

Are you proposing that Malay and Australia have bigfeet? I haven't seen one single poster at JREF supporting either. If you're attempting to include those as bigfoot in these discussions then it would be fair to group bigfoot skeptics in the same group with GW denialists.

Would that be the group with a clue? Bigfoot is one thing, but the global warming scam actually affects each and every one of us. I'll gladly become a full-fledged bigfoot supporter if it means the global warming scam goes away.

[xblade]

There was a trackway. But those look different than the individual track. Also, you get the opportunity to pick 4 or 5 toes.



I thought there was a trackway, but the article implied there was only one photograph of one footprint. I can see why though, because the trackway looks like it was left by hooves, imho.

[kitakaze]

(So where exactly do you and Parcher manage to insert your finger and have it come out chocolatey, kiwi?)

Are you proposing that Malay and Australia have bigfeet? I haven't seen one single poster at JREF supporting either. If you're attempting to include those as bigfoot in these discussions then it would be fair to group bigfoot skeptics in the same group with GW denialists.

Crack kills, dude. Yes. I, kitakaze, am personally claiming that Bigfoot exists in Malaysia and Australia. It is beyond possibility that I was talking about Malaysians and Australians claiming they have Bigfoot.:rolleyes:

Malaysian Bigfoot claims:

3GGiAz9H040

Australian Bigfoot claims:

EXFcyVHLBgs

[kitakaze]

No. But I remember the instance of those east coast climbers who tried to day hike Mt. Hood midwinter.

Quite right. I was mistaken. My apologies. I had mixed remembering you discussing plane crashes and those climbers.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3029091&postcount=7880

Point being was that you were speculating Bigfoot attacking people that would be insane for a Bigfoot to be.

My debunk of Bigfoot having anything to do with the tragic climber deaths on Mt. Hood:

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3030692&postcount=7899

[zooterkin]

Um, guys? This thread is about Sir David Attenborough and the Yeti. Could you hold these clearly ongoing discussions about bigfoot somewhere else? It's not as if there aren't enough bigfoot threads already.

[The Atheist]

As I type this six of the first ten threads in this forum are about Big Foot. Now here's one about Yeti, prompted by a throwaway remark on a chat show.

Am I the only regular reader of this forum who does not give a toss whether Big Foot exists or not, and has trouble seeing the relevance of the subject to a forum about the paranormal? If not, can I ask - nay beg - the mods to create a subforum for the subject of mythical monsters, where those who do care (for God knows what reason) can discuss them to their hearts' content without bothering the rest of us?

Here's where that belongs:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=133161

[Damien Evans]

(So where exactly do you and Parcher manage to insert your finger and have it come out chocolatey, kiwi?)

Are you proposing that Malay and Australia have bigfeet? I haven't seen one single poster at JREF supporting either. If you're attempting to include those as bigfoot in these discussions then it would be fair to group bigfoot skeptics in the same group with GW denialists.

You've never heard of Bunyips or Yowies?

[kitakaze]

And drop bears!

acXp06wUzYE&NR=1

[Redtail]

Why would there be only one footprint?


http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/3/4/128806276290053714.jpg

[zooterkin]

To give some idea of how seriously this story is being treated, at least in the UK, none of what used to be called the broadsheets seems to have reported it all, although all have had stories mentioning David Attenborough in the last few days.

[Hitch]

To give some idea of how seriously this story is being treated, at least in the UK, none of what used to be called the broadsheets seems to have reported it all, although all have had stories mentioning David Attenborough in the last few days.

Yet another sign of the vast international conspiracy to suppress the Boss of the Woods.

[Damien Evans]

And drop bears!

acXp06wUzYE&NR=1

Ah, but the others are "serious" and "real".

[The Atheist]

Thanks, WP. Pretty cut and dry. Smart guy who doesn't have all the information or gave it proper thought.

Bigfoot enthusiasts will go at this like a four year old on a pile of brownies.

Yeah, right.

The BFF thread has all of six posts in it, against JREF's 74.

Who are the four-year olds?

[Cosmic Roy]

Regarding that footprint photo in the opening post, does anyone know if the photographer took a picture of any related footprints? Was it an isolated imprint? It would be a lot more convincing if it was just one in a series of prints. Maybe they could have followed them.

[William Parcher]

I already put the trackway image in post #49.

http://blogs.elcorreodigital.com/blogfiles/magonia/HuellasYeti.jpg

[Cosmic Roy]

Thanks for reposting the image, William. Sorry, I should have looked at the whole thread. That's quite an image though. At the risk of ignoring additional posts in the thread, what's the consensus on what made the track?

[kitakaze]

Yeah, right.

The BFF thread has all of six posts in it, against JREF's 74.

Who are the four-year olds?

Don't forget Cryptomundo. BFF is not the only place to find Bigfoot enthusiasts.

[The Atheist]

Don't forget Cryptomundo. BFF is not the only place to find Bigfoot enthusiasts.

Yep, there are 10 posts on the subject there, which gives two forums dedicated to unknown beats a total of 16 posts against this one sceptical forum's 74.

Which one are all the zealots at?

[William Parcher]

Which one are all the zealots at?


The BFF and Cryptomundo host zealot believers. JREF hosts zealot skeptics. We got more talkative about the OP than the others did.

I'm impressed with your post count. Are you zealous or talkative too?

[kitakaze]

Yep, there are 10 posts on the subject there, which gives two forums dedicated to unknown beats a total of 16 posts against this one sceptical forum's 74.

Which one are all the zealots at?

I don't know why you're bringing zealotry into the mix. 74 posts here shows only more people communicating with each other than there. Not to mention that since Cryptomundo removes posts that are critical or show mistakes by the bloggers, you can't say for certain the number is 10. I'm still sure it would be less than here.

I think footers would love to pimp Attenborough the way they do Goodall.

[The Atheist]

The BFF and Cryptomundo host zealot believers. JREF hosts zealot skeptics. We got more talkative about the OP than the others did.

I'm impressed with your post count. Are you zealous or talkative too?

Neither; curious.

I think footers would love to pimp Attenborough the way they do Goodall.

They aren't though.

[kitakaze]

They aren't though.

Really? You mean not at all? Also, have you tried googling David Attenborough and Bigfoot/Yeti? If you take every comment and post from an enthusiast source, I think the numbers might change quite a bit.

Also you didn't address the fact that 74 posts here doesn't equate zealotry but rather more communication.

[William Parcher]

After some thought, I think Sir David really didn't throw the exact same kind of bone to Bigfooters as Goodall did. Though the host mentions "sasquatch" in his list of cryptids, David doesn't really pay much attention to it. It's the sky-high Yeti tracks that he focuses on. Some Bigfooters might feel short-changed by him because North America has produced BF tracks in far remote places and we even have a super duper film of one. How could he skip right by that?

Bigfooters don't pay a whole lot of attention to the Yeti. There isn't nearly as much stuff about it to pore over. Bigfoot/Sasquatch is our hominoid cryptid over here in NA and we portion our attentions accordingly. Bigfooters can go looking for BF in their free time and find all sorts of stuff they claim as evidence. We're not going to the Himalayas so screw the Yeti anyways. It might be very different if David had used the name Bigfoot or Sasquatch a few times in his responses.

Besides that, the BFF and Cryptomundo have been rather slow forums for months now. It's like the BFF is going to sleep. Post counts are way down at Crypto. The BFF is chewing on a thread titled "What happened to some of the members? Do they just loose (sic) interest?" Maybe they are done with that question. If somebody posted "Where is everybody?" over on Crypto... who knows if Coleman would delete it.

[AtomicMysteryMonster]

I wonder if Sir Attenborough will ever find out that Shipton was a practical joker and that the track he found is most likely a hoax (http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/50yearsago.htm). I also wonder if he'll ever learn about how overlaid animal tracks can give the false impression of being the tracks of a giant biped (which I touched on here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3186890&postcount=5138) and in the hominids thread)?

[JcR]

I can only imagine a Sir David Attenborough show...Nature in the PNW

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/2839649af6b3b78a53.jpg

[kitakaze]

Flawless!

[zooterkin]

I already put the trackway image in post #49.

http://blogs.elcorreodigital.com/blogfiles/magonia/HuellasYeti.jpg

But as you say, and the article from the Fortean Times linked to above also says, those are pretty clearly not the same tracks. So I guess the answer is no.

[The Atheist]

I wonder if Sir Attenborough...

Dear chap, the correct form of address is "Sir David". Upon his elevation, as it surely must come, to the peerage, he may well become Lord Attenborough, but he should never be addressed as "Sir Attenborough".

[zooterkin]

Dear chap, the correct form of address is "Sir David". Upon his elevation, as it surely must come, to the peerage, he may well become Lord Attenborough
Not to be confused with his brother, Lord Attenborough.
:)

[rockinkt]

Just call him Dave.

[The Atheist]

Not to be confused with his brother, Lord Attenborough.
:)

Haha, of course. I always forget about Richard. (even thought I have several films with him in)

How on earth did he get elevated to the peerage while David's only a humble knight? Did Richard play George VI in a movie? Did David dig up the Queen's courgettes?