9-11 Truthers advocating violence...again

[Thunder]

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/1292583/1/

This was posted at LC:


"Something has to change!
9/11 opened huge doors for me a few years ago.

It's all sickening.
I've realized most people in my world simply don't care. They either don't want to know and/or feel powerless.

It's been drilled upon every "truther" that violence isn't the key.
I ask..."why not?"

I would be willing to throw out a good chunk of change to hire a bounty hunter(s) to take care of the elite.

Does anybody else feel this way...or am I going crazy...lol
Waiting for a revolution or revolt is just plain dumb. 95% of Americans deal with what the gov't tells them, they shut-up, and watch American Idol."



Funny how they closed the thread, but didn't completely condemn violence.
But, they did ban the guy. I give them 3 props for that.

Political violence can never, never, ever, be tolerated.

[Gravy]

Yeah, this was worth a thread. Thanks for this important news, which I'm sure will not be moved to the general discussion thread.

[BCR]

Who are the elite? Is that those folks that show up at Obama's house every Wednesday night for a party?

[Thunder]

Yeah, this was worth a thread. Thanks for this important news, which I'm sure will not be moved to the general discussion thread.

your posts seem to be a bit obsessed with me. why is that?

[T.A.M.]

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/1292583/1/

This was posted at LC:


"Something has to change!
9/11 opened huge doors for me a few years ago.

It's all sickening.
I've realized most people in my world simply don't care. They either don't want to know and/or feel powerless.

It's been drilled upon every "truther" that violence isn't the key.
I ask..."why not?"

I would be willing to throw out a good chunk of change to hire a bounty hunter(s) to take care of the elite.

Does anybody else feel this way...or am I going crazy...lol
Waiting for a revolution or revolt is just plain dumb. 95% of Americans deal with what the gov't tells them, they shut-up, and watch American Idol."



Funny how they closed the thread, but didn't completely condemn violence.
But, they did ban the guy. I give them 3 props for that.

Political violence can never, never, ever, be tolerated.

SO much "angry young man", so little time.

TAM;)

[bje]

I would be willing to throw out a good chunk of change to hire a bounty hunter(s) to take care of the elite.

Poor kid. What will his parents say when they get a knock on their door and have to say their kid locked himself in the basement?

[Gravy]

your posts seem to be a bit obsessed with me. why is that?I've stated the reasons for my objections to these types of threads multiple times, including in a lengthy analysis of the 9/11 CT subforum that I posted in October. If there's anything you don't understand about my stated reasons, feel free to ask.

[UNLoVedRebel]

your posts seem to be a bit obsessed with me. why is that?

You seem to be obsessed with starting new threads. This is your second today. Shouldn't you be worrying about how the discussion is gonna go in your first before you clog up this section again?

[Thunder]

You seem to be obsessed with starting new threads. This is your second today. Shouldn't you be worrying about how the discussion is gonna go in your first before you clog up this section again?

I can multi-task.

[1337m4n]

Props to Lin Kuei.

[Unsecured Coins]

exactly what is a bounty hunter supposed to do? is Dog going to crack 9-11 wide open when he bags Cheney for unpaid parking tickets?

[Thunder]

Yeah. He seems like one of the sane ones.

Lin Kuei that is.

[JoeyDonuts]

"Bounty Hunters! We don't need their scum." - Unnamed Imperial Officer

[jezcoe]

Thank you for this. One of the reasons I started paying attention to this nonsense a few years ago is that someone close to me started to work at the Council on Foreign Relations and after a quick google search you can just imagine what I saw. I have never been one to believe in such conspiracy nonsense but I became interested in it because I wanted to make sure the people who do are not going to do anything violent. I find it amazing actually that people faced with the idea of an all consuming evil power that can be identified, don't take any violent action. If one truly believed that the world was being run by the CFR and they are sacrificing babies or whatever in the basement, wouldn't the sane action be to commit violence against them to stop it? That is what scares me.

[Brainster]

Yeah. He seems like one of the sane ones.

Lin Kuei that is.

:rolleyes:

Use a qualifier. He seems almost capable of functioning in society if he doesn't have to take more than one bus or drive a car.

[dudalb]

As much as I despise Twoofers, 99% of the Twoofers who talk about violence are just ranting and raving. They do not have the Cojones do actually do anything.
And let's face it, Internet hyperbole is no Truther monopoly.

[Ohnoes]

"Bounty Hunters! We don't need their scum." - Unnamed Imperial Officer

WAH!?:jaw-dropp

That "Unnamed Imperial Officer" was the great Admiral Firmus Piett...

*retires back into his nerd lair*:boxedin:

[Lxj]

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/1292583/1/

This was posted at LC:


"Something has to change!
9/11 opened huge doors for me a few years ago.

It's all sickening.
I've realized most people in my world simply don't care. They either don't want to know and/or feel powerless.

It's been drilled upon every "truther" that violence isn't the key.
I ask..."why not?"

I would be willing to throw out a good chunk of change to hire a bounty hunter(s) to take care of the elite.

Does anybody else feel this way...or am I going crazy...lol
Waiting for a revolution or revolt is just plain dumb. 95% of Americans deal with what the gov't tells them, they shut-up, and watch American Idol."



Funny how they closed the thread, but didn't completely condemn violence.
But, they did ban the guy. I give them 3 props for that.

Political violence can never, never, ever, be tolerated.
I hope they can post from jail after the Secret Service or FBI invades their fortress of solitude!

[eromitlab]

A few months ago, a truther on reddit made a couple of posts where he told fellow truthers that they should use violence on anyone who tries to tell them 9/11 wasn't an inside jobby job. He deleted the posts the next day and his responses to me in regards to it basically consisted of playground insults and other assorted garbage, so I'm not convinced it was a serious threat.
But you never know, reckless rhetoric like that sometimes has a way of sticking with someone who can't defend what they believe in with reason and rationality, and unwarranted violence can be a cheap cop-out way of responding to criticism when someone has no answer for why they believe what they believe and why. When someone's watched a few pseudodocumentaries and memorized a rough outline of what it is they're so convinced of, and knows nothing beyond that, but clings to their belief in the face of anything to the contrary, they may be tempted to resort to violence to make that bad contrary stuff go away and never bother them again, especially if there's chatter about it going on within the truth bubble.

[Thunder]

Thank you for this. One of the reasons I started paying attention to this nonsense a few years ago is that someone close to me started to work at the Council on Foreign Relations and after a quick google search you can just imagine what I saw. I have never been one to believe in such conspiracy nonsense but I became interested in it because I wanted to make sure the people who do are not going to do anything violent. I find it amazing actually that people faced with the idea of an all consuming evil power that can be identified, don't take any violent action. If one truly believed that the world was being run by the CFR and they are sacrificing babies or whatever in the basement, wouldn't the sane action be to commit violence against them to stop it? That is what scares me.

i have considered violence against several racist people, stores, and groups. but i dont do it because i dont want to go to jail.

but if i really believed that my leaders were part of a secret satanistic order, bent on putting me in a concentration camp and ruling the world, i would probably do something about it before they got me.

[Hamradioguy]

As much as I despise Twoofers, 99% of the Twoofers who talk about violence are just ranting and raving. They do not have the Cojones do actually do anything.
And let's face it, Internet hyperbole is no Truther monopoly.

Quite true. There's a ham radio operater near here who's "on air" behavior has already resulted in sanctions from the FCC. Some people don't learn: He was was overheard, and taped, threatening to shoot an FCC enforcement official. Imagine his surprise when shortly afterward he was visited by the FBI and local Sheriff. He got off with a reprimand after claiming he was drunk at the time, but
clearly some folks take threats of violence VERY seriously.

[JoeyDonuts]

But you never know, reckless rhetoric like that sometimes has a way of sticking with someone who can't defend what they believe in with reason and rationality, and unwarranted violence can be a cheap cop-out way of responding to criticism when someone has no answer for why they believe what they believe and why.

Even though the people using the incendiary rhetoric may just be beating their chests and blowing smoke, there are others who are prone to violence that can be swayed and latch onto it as a pretext to act out violently.

So what's the answer? Ban it? Hell no. Against the 1st Amendment (assuming they're making non-specific generalized threats) and - outlawing a particular type of speech has the effect of throwing gasoline on it.

Better to track and report, I say. I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI cybercrimes people have a division that monitors forum chatter for stuff like this.

[Thunder]

It only takes 3 to make a sleeper cell.

[JoeyDonuts]

It always winds up that way...plotting around the bong, until everyone passes out with "Dark Side of the Moon" on repeat...

[Thunder]

It always winds up that way...plotting around the bong, until everyone passes out with "Dark Side of the Moon" on repeat...

try it backwards!!!!

[TjW]

Even though the people using the incendiary rhetoric may just be beating their chests and blowing smoke, there are others who are prone to violence that can be swayed and latch onto it as a pretext to act out violently.

So what's the answer? Ban it? Hell no. Against the 1st Amendment (assuming they're making non-specific generalized threats) and - outlawing a particular type of speech has the effect of throwing gasoline on it.

Better to track and report, I say. I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI cybercrimes people have a division that monitors forum chatter for stuff like this.

I can see how that might be very effective:
"Johnson, you've been late to work three times this week. Are you bucking for a transfer to Twoof site monitoring? Because I heard they've got an opening."
Johnson: "NOOOooo!"

[INRM]

Violence ain't going to work. Trust me

INRM

[eromitlab]

If truthers think the government is running black ops against them and interfering with their troofy activities now, just wait until a couple of kooks commit violent acts in the name of troof. They'll get to see what it's really like to have government agents looking into their activities, and it won't be anything like their spy thriller fantasies.

[Thunder]

Nope. It will be out in the open and very non-MIB.

[wexer9]

A rebellion of 9/11 Truthers would make a great comedy.
They would fight their way to the White House until they are stopped...by a skeptic.

The skeptic proceeds to refute their conspiracy theory at every turn.

The Truthers head home, dejected and defeated.

[Thunder]

A rebellion of 9/11 Truthers would make a great comedy.
They would fight their way to the White House until they are stopped...by a skeptic.

The skeptic proceeds to refute their conspiracy theory at every turn.

The Truthers head home, dejected and defeated.

no. they would kill the skeptic as a suspected shill/agent/Mossad/

[Franziska]

The 'truthseekers' all been kicked off myspace numerous times.

[INRM]

I personally think that advocating violence is a very bad idea. It won't work for one, and for two it will give the government credence for claiming all dissidents could potentially be violence and thus we can treat all critics as if they are a direct threat to national security.

Very very bad.

BTW: How do you know the people in that forum advocating violence weren't Agents Provocateur? I mean if I were the head of a corrupt government and I had no conscience I would make it my business to infiltrate such groups and try and incite the hot-heads into doing something so I can arrest them, justify arresting the whole group, and then persecute all dissidents.

[Mr.D]

How do you know the people in that forum advocating violence weren't Agents Provocateur? I mean if I were the head of a corrupt government and I had no conscience I would make it my business to infiltrate such groups and try and incite the hot-heads into doing something so I can arrest them, justify arresting the whole group, and then persecute all dissidents.

Funny. My Official NWO handbook says that I should post exactly what you just wrote.

[INRM]

Mr.D,

I was simply speculating.

[Mr.D]

Don't mind me. I was just having a bit of fun.

[Thunder]

I
Very very bad.

BTW: How do you know the people in that forum advocating violence weren't Agents Provocateur?

:D;):p:p;):D

you're a funny guy.

[Rogue1stclass]

Wait...

There is going to be a truther revolution? But all my survival stuff is geared for the zombie apocolypse!

Seriously, though, everyone laughed at the militia movement until Oklahoma City.

[JohnG]

Seriously, though, everyone laughed at the militia movement until Oklahoma City.


I remember that several members of a militia were interviewed on NightLine shortly after the Oklahoma City bombing. They were convinced that the Government was going to use the attack as an excuse to go after them. One of the guys said something to the effect of "I don't mind telling you, I'm scared". I recall thinking that I'd never seen a more cowed, frightened collection of grown men in my life. That to me sums up what motivates many of these fringe groups: fear.

To be fair though, militias have sometimes had reason to fear the Government, but there's a bit of a "chicken or the egg" situation regarding who started what in these sorts of conflicts.

Fear is, as Frank Herbert famously wrote, "The Mind-Killer".

[Thunder]

Wait...

There is going to be a truther revolution? But all my survival stuff is geared for the zombie apocolypse!

Seriously, though, everyone laughed at the militia movement until Oklahoma City.

i still think they are funny.

[Eddie Dane]

So the revolutionaries are now openly speculating about hiring someone to kill members of the elite.

Is that like the time when Fidel Castro hired some bounty hunters to start a revolution? Then he hired a PR agency to write his speeches, but they contracted it out. They also hired the actor who actually delivered his speeches and stood in for him as head of the revolutionary council and armed forces.

The trend started much earlier of course, when George Washington hired the A-Team. (They met secretly in an amusement park, Face was dressed up as clown and Mr T as a bear).

That's the beauty of having service industry, you see.
No need for popular support, no need to fight, no need to lead.
Just hire some pro's while you kick back in you parent's basement waiting for your Torrents to download and having the occasional wank.

Today's youth, Tsk, Tsk.

Having said that:

History is full of people with some high ideals. After much thinking many people come to the rather odd conclusion that killing members of the elite, or killing random members of the public will magically wake people up. Who will then see the truth of said ideal.

See:
19th century anarchists
pre-1917 Russian communists
Red Army Fraction
Red brigades
Algerian Islamists in the nineties
Etc ad nauseum

Plus: school shooters are "not serious" until they kill your kid.

So I think it is a good idea to keep an eye on the Truther forums for possible signs of violent fantasy.

[JoeyDonuts]

So I think it is a good idea to keep an eye on the Truther forums for possible signs of violent fantasy.

I am quite certain the Feebs agree with you, though there's no way to tell how much creedence they give those places. You see, they still have quite a full slate with their regular mission of cybercrimes enforcement, kidnapping, inter-state felonies, the terrorism aspect....

By the way, the new "Inside the FBI" series on Discovery is pretty telling. The one last night was a pretty good inside look at the Bureau's crackdown on "eMe" or the Mexican Mafia. I didn't know that much about them prior to that show. Now I at least know what some of their symbology consists of.