View Full Version : A conspiracy of ducks, glaciers, Eskimos and polar bears? Oh my!
BenBurch
8th March 2009, 08:11 AM
http://www.lovelycitizen.com/story/1508220.html
Often in blogs and letters to the editor you will see people who continue to claim that global warming is a "hoax." This would be amusing if it weren't so sad. How can people be so insulated as to not realize that there is not a single peer-reviewed scientific study published in recent years that supports the "hoax" theory? Out of 650 scientific studies, not one disputes that climate change is occurring and that it is caused by man-made carbon dioxide emissions.
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Very well stated. Read it.
Skwinty
8th March 2009, 08:43 AM
http://www.lovelycitizen.com/story/1508220.html
Very well stated. Read it.
Agreed, one must be impervious to reality not to recognise the changes in local climate as an omen of things to come.
BenBurch
8th March 2009, 08:45 AM
Changes in EVERY local climate you mean...
Skwinty
8th March 2009, 08:46 AM
Changes in EVERY local climate you mean...
Agreed, although I can only speak for my local climate.
Perpetual Student
8th March 2009, 09:00 AM
Often in blogs and letters to the editor you will see people who continue to claim that global warming is a "hoax." This would be amusing if it weren't so sad. How can people be so insulated as to not realize that there is not a single peer-reviewed scientific study published in recent years that supports the "hoax" theory? Out of 650 scientific studies, not one disputes that climate change is occurring and that it is caused by man-made carbon dioxide emissions.
During a long midnight drive several months ago, I tuned my radio to a "talk radio" station to stay awake. Sure enough, I heard Rush Limbaugh on a rave about the left wing global warming conspiracy/hoax. The view is that the evil far left has "made all this up" as a pretext to control our lives. Scientific studies? -- they are irrelevant; Scientists are part of the conspiracy! People (sycophants) actually called in to talk to Rushy/Babe about the conspiracy and their personal experience with conspirators. Astonishing!
skyhand
8th March 2009, 10:12 AM
I've heard many things on AM radio. Few weeks ago one guy was talking about the conspiracy of the global warmers and how CO2 wasn't important. His view it was water that was the most important greenhouse gas. He didn't tell why he thought that. He said if you tune in his show you would know. It was just random that I got a few minutes, so I don't know his point of view.
Skwinty
8th March 2009, 10:24 AM
His view it was water that was the most important greenhouse gas.
Perhaps the issue was the greenhouse effect of water vapour in the atmosphere.
macdoc
8th March 2009, 10:49 AM
No - the issue is that the denier cadre don't under the difference between a forcing ( CO2 = more solar energy cpatured and held ) and feedback ( Water vapour approximatedly doubles the gain of the CO2 forcing as the atmosphere holds more water because it is warmer.
It's the GHG gain that does the forcing, the water vapour RESULT magnifies the increase in temp.
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Would the real climate change conspirators please stand up.......
One of the more damning indictments comes from Rick Piltz, a former senior associate director at Bush's Climate Change Science Program.
Piltz resigned from that snakepit in March 2005. Now he heads Climate Science Watch, a program of the whistleblowing Government Accountability Project. The Daily Green reached Piltz in Washington.
According to Piltz, Bush's first EPA chief, Christie Todd Whitman, went to Europe early in the early days of the administration and told European leaders that the U.S. would take a proactive approach to global warming (as Bush himself had promised during the campaign). "But when Whitman got back and started talking about climate change, Bush told her, 'We're not going there,'' Piltz said. "A number of senators, including Chuck Hagel [R-Nebraska] had written to the President on the issue, and Cheney ginned up a response reassuring them. Whitman has said she went into the Oval Office at the same time Cheney was coming out -- Cheney had basically cut her off at the knees."
Piltz experienced the political interference directly through Phil Cooney, an oil lobbyist and American Petroleum Institute lawyer who was appointed as chief of staff at the White House Council on Environmental Quality. "He was oil's inside man, with contacts not only with Karl Rove and Cheney's office, but with climate disinformation campaigns at groups like the Competitive Enterprise Institute," Piltz says.
Piltz says he first met Cooney, a lawyer, at a high-level Commerce Department meeting. "We talked briefly, and agreed that climate science was complicated and difficult to get your arms around," Piltz said. "I thought I was meeting a colleague.
But it soon became clear that Cooney's motivation was to create a predatory relationship with any kind of scientific uncertainty. If you had a National Academy of Science study making very strong statements suggesting climate change was real, he would ignore all that and in his editing leave in only the uncertainties, trying to create the idea there was a great debate going on among scientists. He wanted to cherry pick statements to play down global warming."
http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/bush-obama-global-warming-science-460309
Another Bush bit of criminality.......
Yeah there was a conspiracy.....it was very clear......except to those passing the denier Koolaid around.....
Manufactured controversy........
TsarBomba
8th March 2009, 02:13 PM
I bought a house earlier this year, and had a guy come in and do a Radon test as part of the inspection. He said that a lot of people don't do the tests because they think that Radon is a left-wing conspiracy to control our lives.
All this time I thought that it was a radioactive gas.
skyhand
8th March 2009, 02:30 PM
Thanks Macdoc. It was kinda what I was thinking, but couldn't quite figure out how it could be used to support his opinion.
grmcdorman
8th March 2009, 02:33 PM
I bought a house earlier this year, and had a guy come in and do a Radon test as part of the inspection. He said that a lot of people don't do the tests because they think that Radon is a left-wing conspiracy to control our lives.
All this time I thought that it was a radioactive gas.
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Insane paranoia abounds. I would never have thought it would extend this far.
macdoc
8th March 2009, 03:47 PM
Confusing radon and fluoride I suppose. :eusa_doh:
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