Would-be victim thwarts robbery (Indiana)

[Richard G]

A would-be robber ran into more than he expected during a holdup at a Southside carwash Sunday night -- getting doused with a hose, then apparently shot by his intended victim.

http://www.indystar.com/articles/1/093524-5511-009.html

[Agammamon]

How clueless do you have to be to not notice someone walking up to you with an "assault type rifle"? I mean it's not like the guy can hide it behind his back or under a coat.

[Mr Manifesto]

Guns used for home protection used to kill wife, self.

Parents of 3 found shot dead in Fairwood home (http://www.kingcountyjournal.com/sited/story/html/149039)

[Richard G]

What the hell is an "assault type rifle"??? I gaurantee you this guy didn't have an automatic rifle. That is the definition of an assault rifle. Reporters are pretty dumb when it comes to facts regarding firearms.

Odds are, he had a small carbine. Something like this. http://www.kel-tec.com/prod03.htm (Thats not an "assault" anything. It works just like a pistol, but with a longer barrel).

[Suddenly]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto
Guns used for home protection used to kill wife, self.

Parents of 3 found shot dead in Fairwood home (http://www.kingcountyjournal.com/sited/story/html/149039)

Good Grief. The family of five has branched out from automobile accidents into firearms.

(You did notice that was a family of five, eh Manifesto?)

[Larspeart]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto
Guns used for home protection used to kill wife, self.

Parents of 3 found shot dead in Fairwood home (http://www.kingcountyjournal.com/sited/story/html/149039)

um. . . no. That isn't a home defense gun. That is a gun used by a nut to kill his family.

The important thing to realize is that if he DIDN'T have the gun, do you HONESTLY believe he would not have killed them? Knives, baseball bats, lead pipes, poison, pushing down the stairs, smothering, and a thousand other froms of killing one's family have been used for thousands of years, and are currently all the rage in gun-less societies worldwide.

The gun, the fact he had one, the fact that they were available, etc, has NOTHING to do with the fact that he is f---ed up and they are dead. They'd be dead today regardless.

Smarta$$.

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Suddenly


Good Grief. The family of five has branched out from automobile accidents into firearms.

(You did notice that was a family of five, eh Manifesto?)

I'll admit I hadn't noticed, but it was time that the family of five diversifyed their portfolio.

Larspeart: Yeah, whatever. Gun death rates higher in the US than the rest of the world, etc, etc, etc...

[Richard G]

Crimes detered, and thwarted by guns higher in the U.S. than rest of world, etc. etc.

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Richard G
Crimes detered, and thwarted by guns higher in the U.S. than rest of world, etc. etc.

No evidence to back this up except for a discredited study by Lott, etc, etc, etc.

Stick to anecdotes, Dick. It's what you do best.

[Larspeart]

Um. . .

Manifesto?


Dead is dead, regardless of how it happened, and murdered is murdered. Are you going to sit there and tell me that he wouldn't have killed his family if he didn't have a gun?

Yeah! because murder NEVER happens in england or france or austrailia.

R-iiiiiiiiiight

[Suddenly]

Originally posted by Larspeart
Um. . .

Manifesto?


Dead is dead, regardless of how it happened, and murdered is murdered. Are you going to sit there and tell me that he wouldn't have killed his family if he didn't have a gun?

Yeah! because murder NEVER happens in england or france or austrailia.

R-iiiiiiiiiight

Sounds like Archie Bunker's thoughts on the subject, which was something like: "Would it make you feel any better if they was pushed out of windows?"



You have to admit that a gun does make the process a lot easier. Just point and squeeze, unlike a knife or poison or whatever, that requires planning and forethought and still is going to be nasty. Plus, by the time someone in the heat of passion manages to cut up the first victim, or plan some other form of demise, he or she may have come to her senses. Or possibly sober up.

Making it harder to kill someone is going to decrease the murder rate, especially among us fat and lazy Americans.

[Richard G]

Another fella in Florida "Pulled my gun today...caught a bad guy."

Read it in his own words here: http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=197159

[Mr Manifesto]

Can somebody get HIV from somebody else’s sweat? I don’t think so, but I just want to make sure. I don’t want my boss getting HIV.

:roll:

Florida Cracker indeed. This guy sounds like a real hoot.

Well, since you've come up with yet another anecdote, it's time for a counter-anecdote.

How about this one:

I pulled my gun today... got a guy who heckled me over a lost pool game (http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/news/politics/7286514.htm)

[Agammamon]

Originally posted by Richard G
What the hell is an "assault type rifle"??? I gaurantee you this guy didn't have an automatic rifle. That is the definition of an assault rifle. Reporters are pretty dumb when it comes to facts regarding firearms.

Odds are, he had a small carbine. Something like this. http://www.kel-tec.com/prod03.htm (Thats not an "assault" anything. It works just like a pistol, but with a longer barrel).

Actually no, in the US the definition of an assault rifle is a semi-auto rifle with a large (read greater than 10 round) magazine. Oh, it also has to look scary and all military like.

[Agammamon]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto


I'll admit I hadn't noticed, but it was time that the family of five diversifyed their portfolio.

Larspeart: Yeah, whatever. Gun death rates higher in the US than the rest of the world, etc, etc, etc...

I think they're a bit higher in say, Iraq, the Congo, or well pretty much anywhere in West Africa.

Oh, did you know that automobile death rates are higher in the US than the rest of the world? It my have something to do with having the greatest number of cars and people.

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Agammamon


I think they're a bit higher in say, Iraq, the Congo, or well pretty much anywhere in West Africa.
Sorry, I meant the Western world. I've posted the stats to prove it a million times, I'm not in the mood to dredge the link up again.


Oh, did you know that automobile death rates are higher in the US than the rest of the world? It my have something to do with having the greatest number of cars and people.

My point precisely.

[NightG1]

Originally posted by Richard G
A would-be robber ran into more than he expected during a ...snip

Gun safety lession goes horribly wrong. (http://www.thesandiegochannel.com/news/2023869/detail.html)

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by NightG1


Gun safety lession goes horribly wrong. (http://www.thesandiegochannel.com/news/2023869/detail.html)

Lakewood police spokeswoman Stacie Oulton said that the boy's two younger sisters, ages 7 and 9, were in the room and watched the entire incident.
(snip)
The shooting has stunned this suburban community, who describe the Hoffa family as a typical suburban household with the parents busy ferrying the kids to school in the mornings and to athletic practices and events in the evenings.

The family of five strike again!

[hgc]

Originally posted by Agammamon
...

Oh, did you know that automobile death rates are higher in the US than the rest of the world? It my have something to do with having the greatest number of cars and people. I assume that by "rates" you mean per capita. So, having the the greatest number of cars wouldn't have anything to do with it. Perhaps having the greatest number of cars per capita would.

btw, I don't have any information handy about whether the U.S. has the greatest number of cars, in total or per capita.

Same lesson as re: guns. We have a high murder rate. We have a high murder-by-gun rate. We have a high accidental shooting rate. We have a high gun ownership rate. And so forth. Mere correlation or causation? Beats me.

There are lies, damn lies and statistics. - Winston Churchill

[PogoPedant]

Originally posted by Larspeart

Dead is dead, regardless of how it happened, and murdered is murdered. Are you going to sit there and tell me that he wouldn't have killed his family if he didn't have a gun?

Not that I want to be involved in a gun-thread, but I have one snippet of information: Of the few 'slaughter the family, then kill yourself' incidents we've had in Norway, every single one has included a rifle. I guess it's just easier loose it and kill everyone with a gun than with a knife. With a knife the family can run away easier.

That said, gun-licencing won't make a guy less prone to sudden psychotic behaviour...

[EvilYeti]

Originally posted by NightG1


Gun safety lession goes horribly wrong. (http://www.thesandiegochannel.com/news/2023869/detail.html)

Haven't you heard, guns don't kill people, gun safety lessons kill people!

[EvilYeti]

Originally posted by hgc

Same lesson as re: guns. We have a high murder rate. We have a high murder-by-gun rate. We have a high accidental shooting rate. We have a high gun ownership rate. And so forth. Mere correlation or causation? Beats me.


At the very least, more guns will equal more gun accidents. Just like more cars will equal more car accidents.