France launches Anti-Zionist party

[Tin Foil Timothy]

In an attempt to rid it's country from the control of Zionist Lobby Groups and organizations, France has launched it's new Anti Zionist Political Party called "Parti Anti Sioniste." (http://www.partiantisioniste.com/) Below are the parties goals taken from a translated page:

To eliminate the Zionist interference in the affairs of the Nation.

 Denounce all the politicians who are advocating Zionism.

 Eliminating all forms of Zionism in the nation.

 Prevent companies and institutions to contribute to the war effort of a foreign nation that does not respect international law.

 Unleashing our state, our government and our institutions of the grip and the pressure of Zionist organizations.

 Unleashing the media for a plurality of information to promote freedom of expression.

 Promote the free expression of the politics, culture, philosophy and religion and free of Zionism.

 Restoring power in France and the French under the new geopolitical and economic rules on the big issues that engage the responsibility of the Nation.

 Do not engage France in the wars of colonization and repatriate our armed forces stationed in Africa, Afghanistan and around the world.

 Requiring a referendum for any new commitment of France abroad.

 Establish a bill to ban dual nationality to participate in war without explicit mandate of the Nation.

 Prohibit any militia whatever their faith.

 Establish a national dialog to raise awareness and a society that excludes any advocacy of Zionism.

 Set the mode of voting by proportional representation so that all segments of society are represented.

 Advocate for the establishment of a society of justice, progress and tolerance.

Translated Link HERE (http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.partiantisioniste.com %2F&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8)

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Looks good to me. Let's hope other countries follow suit. It all helps to spread the message about the damage that Zionism is doing.

[Redtail]

In an attempt to rid it's country from the control of Zionist Lobby Groups and organizations, France has launched it's new Anti Zionist Political Party called "Parti Anti Sioniste." (http://www.partiantisioniste.com/) Below are the parties goals taken from a translated page:

To eliminate the Zionist interference in the affairs of the Nation.

 Denounce all the politicians who are advocating Zionism.

 Eliminating all forms of Zionism in the nation.

 Prevent companies and institutions to contribute to the war effort of a foreign nation that does not respect international law.

 Unleashing our state, our government and our institutions of the grip and the pressure of Zionist organizations.

 Unleashing the media for a plurality of information to promote freedom of expression.

 Promote the free expression of the politics, culture, philosophy and religion and free of Zionism.

 Restoring power in France and the French under the new geopolitical and economic rules on the big issues that engage the responsibility of the Nation.

 Do not engage France in the wars of colonization and repatriate our armed forces stationed in Africa, Afghanistan and around the world.

 Requiring a referendum for any new commitment of France abroad.

 Establish a bill to ban dual nationality to participate in war without explicit mandate of the Nation.

 Prohibit any militia whatever their faith.

 Establish a national dialog to raise awareness and a society that excludes any advocacy of Zionism.

 Set the mode of voting by proportional representation so that all segments of society are represented.

 Advocate for the establishment of a society of justice, progress and tolerance.

Translated Link HERE (http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.partiantisioniste.com %2F&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8)

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Looks good to me. Let's hope other countries follow suit. It all helps to spread the message about the damage that Zionism is doing.

We have a similar thing in America. It's called (deleted).

ETA: Whoops that should be National Alliance.

[Puppycow]

Feh.

Please let us know when they win a single election on the national level.

[funk de fino]

Some of those translations are a bit iffy. IMO

Nice pic at the top of the site BTW

[Sword_Of_Truth]

In an attempt to rid it's country from the control of Zionist Lobby Groups and organizations, France has launched it's new Anti Zionist Political Party called "Parti Anti Sioniste." (http://www.partiantisioniste.com/) Below are the parties goals taken from a translated page:

To eliminate the Zionist interference in the affairs of the Nation.

 Denounce all the politicians who are advocating Zionism.

 Eliminating all forms of Zionism in the nation.

 Prevent companies and institutions to contribute to the war effort of a foreign nation that does not respect international law.

 Unleashing our state, our government and our institutions of the grip and the pressure of Zionist organizations.

 Unleashing the media for a plurality of information to promote freedom of expression.

 Promote the free expression of the politics, culture, philosophy and religion and free of Zionism.

 Restoring power in France and the French under the new geopolitical and economic rules on the big issues that engage the responsibility of the Nation.

 Do not engage France in the wars of colonization and repatriate our armed forces stationed in Africa, Afghanistan and around the world.

 Requiring a referendum for any new commitment of France abroad.

 Establish a bill to ban dual nationality to participate in war without explicit mandate of the Nation.

 Prohibit any militia whatever their faith.

 Establish a national dialog to raise awareness and a society that excludes any advocacy of Zionism.

 Set the mode of voting by proportional representation so that all segments of society are represented.

 Advocate for the establishment of a society of justice, progress and tolerance.

Translated Link HERE (http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.partiantisioniste.com %2F&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8)

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Looks good to me. Let's hope other countries follow suit. It all helps to spread the message about the damage that Zionism is doing.

It doesn't take a critical thinker to realize something smells Vichy here. ;)

[Foolmewunz]

In an attempt to rid it's country from the control of Zionist Lobby Groups and organizations, France has launched it's new Anti Zionist Political Party called "Parti Anti Sioniste." (http://www.partiantisioniste.com/) Below are the parties goals taken from a translated page:

To eliminate the Zionist interference in the affairs of the Nation.

 Denounce all the politicians who are advocating Zionism.

 Eliminating all forms of Zionism in the nation.

 Prevent companies and institutions to contribute to the war effort of a foreign nation that does not respect international law.

 Unleashing our state, our government and our institutions of the grip and the pressure of Zionist organizations.

 Unleashing the media for a plurality of information to promote freedom of expression.

 Promote the free expression of the politics, culture, philosophy and religion and free of Zionism.

 Restoring power in France and the French under the new geopolitical and economic rules on the big issues that engage the responsibility of the Nation.

 Do not engage France in the wars of colonization and repatriate our armed forces stationed in Africa, Afghanistan and around the world.

 Requiring a referendum for any new commitment of France abroad.

 Establish a bill to ban dual nationality to participate in war without explicit mandate of the Nation.

 Prohibit any militia whatever their faith.

 Establish a national dialog to raise awareness and a society that excludes any advocacy of Zionism.

 Set the mode of voting by proportional representation so that all segments of society are represented.

 Advocate for the establishment of a society of justice, progress and tolerance.

Translated Link HERE (http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.partiantisioniste.com %2F&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8)

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Looks good to me. Let's hope other countries follow suit. It all helps to spread the message about the damage that Zionism is doing.

I thought you were anti-religion, Tim. Why would you support another deist-based party?

[gumboot]

Yes, very important that this happens, because France is such a stalwart bastion of Zionism. :eye-poppi

[INRM]

If they're simply opposed to the bad policies of Israel, I don't see a problem. However, if they're going to persecute Jews, I have a problem with it -- it would be racist and would only further problems in the middle east.

Assuming this party is created simply to oppose Israel's policies, I hope Jews don't take it as an attack against them. I think a lot of Jewish people believe that if anything happened to Israel they'd all be persecuted


INRM

[Donal]

Will they be voting Petain into office?

[Pardalis]

I thought you were anti-religion, Tim. Why would you support another deist-based party?

It's no surprise this organization was founded by the same people of the Zahra Centre, and the Shia foundation of France, who promote Islam in France.

http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/les-amis-tres-particuliers-du-centre-zahra_743285.html

and if you look at the video (http://www.partiantisioniste.com/videos/titre/9-complicite-et-soumission-au-crif.html) of the founder, he is not only proposing eradicating the state of Israel, but literally evicting the Israelis to other countries (for example, he talks about sending them back to Russia).

"La porte est encore ouverte en Palestine, pour que les gens puissent repartir chez eux. Nous conseillons donc à la communauté Ashkénaze de s'empresser et de s'organiser pour un retour dans leurs pays d'origine, ou vers d'autres pays amis, c'est d'ailleurs ces Sionistes d'origine occidentale, supportent mal le milieu oriental..."

loose translation:

"The door is open in Palestine, for people to get back home. We propose to the Askenazi community that they should get organized and ready to return to their home lands, or to friendly countries. It is those Zionists of occidental origins that can't support their Oriental environment..."

It is interesting to see in their video section multiple interviews in Iran, and with Jean-Marie Le Pen, an ultra nationalist.

[scratchy]

Thy forgot to mention zionism in some of their paragraphs.

[dudalb]

Will they be voting Petain into office?

They sound more like Laval fans to me.

TFT supports a group that smells very strongly of Anti Semitism. Whatta surprise.
Am I the only one who suspects TFT has a few "issues" with Jews himself?

[WildCat]

They sound more like Laval fans to me.

TFT supports a group that smells very strongly of Anti Semitism. Whatta surprise.
Am I the only one who suspects TFT has a few "issues" with Jews himself?
Oh no, none of this has anything at all to do with anti-semitism. I'm sure just as many people would would protest if Russia conducted a military campaign in Chechnya, or Syria shelled Hama, or ethnic cleansing took place in Sudan... oh, wait! Hardly a peep from the same people who turn out in droves to protest an Israeli action that caused a small fraction of deaths and destruction.

But no, no, no! It can't possible be due to latent anti-semitism from a continent which gleefully sent over 5 million Jews to the gas chambers just a few generations ago...

[Ziggurat]

Looks good to me.

Of course it looks good to you. What's not to like about putting a respectable mask on virulent antisemitism?

[Pardalis]

I wonder if TFT is OK with sending the Ashkenazi Jews (and their descendants, I guess :confused:) to their original countries, like the FAS founder proposes?

[Doctor Evil]

I wonder if TFT is OK with sending the Ashkenazi Jews (and their descendants, I guess :confused:) to their original countries, like the FAS founder proposes?

I believe that the majority of Israeli Jews are the descendants of Jews from middle eastern countries. Somehow these are always forgotten. Probably because they do not fit their political theory. The populations are also rather mixed by now. What would they suggest to do with someone who whose family is half Ashkenazi and, say, half Iraqi. Cut him in half?

[Pardalis]

Why stop there? Why is he not suggesting sending all immigrants to their countries?

[Doctor Evil]

Why stop there? Why is he not suggesting sending all immigrants to their countries?

You will have to ask them. However, in some cases non-European Jews are conveniently forgotten since they tend not to fit the world view where the Jews are white colonialists. I do not know if this party holds that world view, and frankly I don't care.

[dudalb]

Why stop there? Why is he not suggesting sending all immigrants to their countries?

Why Stop with the Israelis?
All Americans and Canadians of Euripean origin should return to Europe, since the Amerinds are the rightful owners of the land. Makes about as much sense.

[Thunder]

To eliminate the Zionist interference in the affairs of the Nation.

 Denounce all the politicians who are advocating Zionism.

 Eliminating all forms of Zionism in the nation.


 Unleashing the media for a plurality of information to promote freedom of expression.

 Promote the free expression of the politics, culture, philosophy and religion and free of Zionism.


 Establish a national dialog to raise awareness and a society that excludes any advocacy of Zionism.




-so they support free speech for anyone...as long as they are not Zionist?

-they want to attack any politician who supports the existence of the State of Israel within the 1967 borders? The borders that the United Nations and the Arab League and the PLO calls for??????

-eliminating ALL forms of Zionism in the country? what exactly does that mean??? will the flying of an Israeli flag become a crime? will it be illegal to speak Hebrew? will all Israeli citizens be forced to leave France?

I'm sorry TFT..but this sounds a lot like Fascism to me. You don't defeat extremism, racism, and intolerance...by being extremist, intolerant, and against freedom of speech and association.

I hate Neo-Nazis and the KKK with a passion. But as long as they are not violent or call for violence, they are allowed to be here and speak their minds. That is true Freedom and Democracy..when even jerks are allowed Freedom of Speech.

These guys in France are Fascists pure and simple. Only Fascists seek to stifle freedom of thought.

[Thunder]

I believe that the majority of Israeli Jews are the descendants of Jews from middle eastern countries.

wrong. 40% of all Israeli Jews are of Middle Eastern descent.

[Doctor Evil]

wrong. 40% of all Israeli Jews are of Middle Eastern descent.

Are you sure its not 40% of the entire population?

[Thunder]

yup. its 40% of jews. might actually be more like 35%.

[Slayhamlet]

yup. its 40% of jews. might actually be more like 35%.

Wikipedia suggests that they are approximately equal, both being about 38% of the total population. Their source is the 2008 Israeli census, but it's in Hebrew.

Edit: I should add that this includes Sephardim together with Mizrahim. Sephardim are the descendants of those Jews expelled from Spain after the Reconquista, most of whom came to Israel from Islamic countries, though not necessarily Middle Eastern ones.

[Doctor Evil]

yup. its 40% of jews. might actually be more like 35%.

Wikepedia gives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Population_.28Dec_2008.29) 38% of the population, which is identical to Jews of European origin:


Ashkenazim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazim) (about 38% of the national population): Jews whose ancestors came from Germany, France, and Eastern Europe. Most Ashkenazi Jews that settled in Israel were from Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia), Poland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland), Romania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania), Ukraine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine), Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany), Hungary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary), Czech Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Republic), North America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America), South America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_America), South Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa) and Australia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia).



Mizrahim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews) and Sephardim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephardim) (about 38% of the national population): Most Jewish immigrants to Israel from Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran), Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq), Yemen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemen), and Syria are considered Mizrahim, and the term has come to refer to Jews whose ancestors lived in Arab or Muslim lands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands), but did not live in Spain or Portugal. The word Sephardi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephardi) refers to Jews whose ancestors lived in Spain and Portugal until 1492, and sometimes until later, then spread to Greece, Italy, England, the Netherlands and elsewhere in Europe, as well as into the Ottoman Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire) and in North Africa. Many Sephardi Jews that settled in Israel from Morocco, Algeria, Turkey and the whole Mediterranean area are descendants from migrants from Spain and Portugal. In modern Israeli Hebrew usage, this category is often included in Mizrahim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews).Those with origins in Muslim and Arab lands are commonly called Sephardim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephardim) by their Ashkenazi counterparts, though the majority does not descend from Iberian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberian_peninsula) Jews and are best described as Mizrahi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi). The Jews of Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews) and Iraqi Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Jews) are always considered Mizrahi as well as the Yemenite and Omani Jews.



I found it hard to get good statistics since the Israeli bureau of statistics define anyone whose father was born in Israel as local. (That is, they do not register origin of family further than one generation back.)

In any case, my main point still stand. The non-European Jews, which are often forgotten in such discussions, are a major part of the Israeli population.

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Why would a country such as France launch a party? Unless there was cake and cookies? :p

[funk de fino]

But no, no, no! It can't possible be due to latent anti-semitism from a continent which gleefully sent over 5 million Jews to the gas chambers just a few generations ago...

Thats either worded incorrectly or blatantly ignorant.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Given Israels history of crushing enemies several times her size, and Frances rather dubious military history (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html), one has to wonder if the anti-semites of france have given careful consideration to the consequences of electing a government whose sole raison d'etre is to pick a fight with Israel?

[Eddie Dane]

So,

A group that promotes Islam in France wants to deport Jews to Europe because they are occidental and just don't belong in the Orient?

Right!

And is Zionism a big issue in France? Don't they have local fish to fry?
If one started a one-issue party in the Netherlands that opposes extremist Turkish Nationalism, would it get any votes?

[lionking]

Given Israels history of crushing enemies several times her size, and Frances rather dubious military history (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html), one has to wonder if the anti-semites of france have given careful consideration to the consequences of electing a government whose sole raison d'etre is to pick a fight with Israel?
I've been waiting for a chance to post this link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheese-eating_surrender_monkeys

[Flo]

First time I hear of this new party. Apparently, it's a small offshoot of a shiite movement in a small city in the North of France, and they claim no more than 50 members and the usual supporters (9/11 conspirationists, a bunch of pseudo-intellectuals, and a handful of attention whores).

I'm not expecting them to win the French electorate in a landslide any time soon ...

[lionking]

First time I hear of this new party. Apparently, it's a small offshoot of a shiite movement in a small city in the North of France, and they claim no more than 50 members and the usual supporters (9/11 conspirationists, a bunch of pseudo-intellectuals, and a handful of attention whores).

I'm not expecting them to win the French electorate in a landslide any time soon ...
I'm certain you are right Flo, and sorry about the cheap shot at France.:o

[WildCat]

Thats either worded incorrectly or blatantly ignorant.
BS. Here we have a political party in France whose number one concern is a country on another continent important to no French interests that I can see. No French Party was founded on the eradication of any other country on the planet, yeah I'm sure this has nothing to do with hatred of Jews. Ever hear the expression "don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining"? You may as well claim that the KKK rallying under the rebel flag do so only because they are big supporters of state's rights and it has nothing at all to do with racism.

[Foolmewunz]

Where, oh where, has our young info-warriior of the aluminum haberdashery gone to, I wonder.

Tim? You out there?

Why is it you're supporting a party whose leader slips every few days and refers to it as "The Party of God"? Is it just that anyone who's against Israel is your ally? The old enemy of my enemy is my friend routine?

Does the expression "useful idiot" ring a bell, anyone?

[Freddy]

Some of those translations are a bit iffy. IMO

Nice pic at the top of the site BTW

This must be one of them:

Promote the free expression of the politics, culture, philosophy and religion and free of Zionism.

Free expression, but not for zionists. How could this go wrong?:D

[Freddy]

BS. Here we have a political party in France whose number one concern is a country on another continent important to no French interests that I can see. No French Party was founded on the eradication of any other country on the planet, yeah I'm sure this has nothing to do with hatred of Jews. Ever hear the expression "don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining"? You may as well claim that the KKK rallying under the rebel flag do so only because they are big supporters of state's rights and it has nothing at all to do with racism.

I think he was objecting to the way you lumped all of Europe together. A few Europeans died fighting against the Nazis.

[Flo]

I'm certain you are right Flo, and sorry about the cheap shot at France.:o


Don't worry about it, it's a lot better than what the French are saying about Americans :D

[Flo]

BS. Here we have a political party in France whose number one concern is a country on another continent important to no French interests that I can see. No French Party was founded on the eradication of any other country on the planet, yeah I'm sure this has nothing to do with hatred of Jews. Ever hear the expression "don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining"? You may as well claim that the KKK rallying under the rebel flag do so only because they are big supporters of state's rights and it has nothing at all to do with racism.


Just in case, they're about 50, have almost no supporters or audience, and I'm sure they will be shut down pretty soon if they keep with that kind of rhetoric (and then you'll have a ball criticizing us 'orrible Frenchies about our disregard for freedom of speech) :D

[gdnp]

A political party started outside of Israel with the expressed and only purpose the fighting of Zionism would seem a bit single-minded, don't you think? What are their stances on employment, health care, etc?

[Oliver]

Why Stop with the Israelis?
All Americans and Canadians of Euripean origin should return to Europe, since the Amerinds are the rightful owners of the land. Makes about as much sense.


And I completely agree with you if there still was a violent conflict about it. Since there aren't any, there is no reason to bother much about it, even if compensation still would be a nice thing to make up for some of the mess that still exists in peoples minds.

[Chaos]

I think he was objecting to the way you lumped all of Europe together. A few Europeans died fighting against the Nazis.

Now please, stop that evil liberal leftist progressive propaganda, will you? Everybody knows that World War 2 was the US against the rest of the world, and that all of Europe absolutely loves anyone who hates the US.

[Thunder]

Where did the author of this thread go? Scared by the truth?

[luchog]

I think he was objecting to the way you lumped all of Europe together. A few Europeans died fighting against the Nazis.

Against the Nazis, not necessrily for the Jews. It might have had to do more with Nazi Germany's expanionism than the Holocaust, which was soundly denied throughout much of the world, including Europe, at the time. There was certainly no great love for the Jews in Europe.

[luchog]

And I completely agree with you if there still was a violent conflict about it. Since there aren't any, there is no reason to bother much about it, even if compensation still would be a nice thing to make up for some of the mess that still exists in peoples minds.
Actually, it was very violent for a while. But that didn't last, because we made the effort to kill off the vast majority of them, and penned the rest up in reservations while encouraging self-destructive behaviour on their part. And when they attempted to get all uppity and violent, we just smashed them down again.

Maybe Israel could learn from our example? <---NOTE: Sarcasm.

[Pardalis]

"La porte est encore ouverte en Palestine, pour que les gens puissent repartir chez eux. Nous conseillons donc à la communauté Ashkénaze de s'empresser et de s'organiser pour un retour dans leurs pays d'origine, ou vers d'autres pays amis, c'est d'ailleurs ces Sionistes d'origine occidentale, supportent mal le milieu oriental..."

loose translation:

"The door is open in Palestine, for people to get back home. We propose to the Askenazi community that they should get organized and ready to return to their home lands, or to friendly countries. It is those Zionists of occidental origins that can't support their Oriental environment..."

So do you endorse these comments TFT? You endorse mass deportation?

[Thunder]

I wonder if the Arab world will welcome back 750,000 Jews and ALL of their descendants. There are about 2.5 million Sephardic and Maghreb Jews in Israel today.

[Ziggurat]

Where did the author of this thread go? Scared by the truth?

I'm afraid the answer is a little more prosaic: he's currently suspended. Probably deserved it too.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=135590

[Thunder]

I'm afraid the answer is a little more prosaic: he's currently suspended. Probably deserved it too.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=135590

um..thats 2 months old.

[mortimer]

oh...that's too bad.

:eek:
That suspension notice was from February. He's not suspended.

[Ziggurat]

That suspension notice was from February. He's not suspended.

Oops. Misread the date. My bad. I guess he's just a coward then.

[dudalb]

Timmy is too busy proving that the BBC is controlled by the Zionist in other threads.

[Thunder]

Oops. Misread the date. My bad. I guess he's just a coward then.

careful dude. that could get YOU suspended.

[Pardalis]

So do you endorse these comments TFT? You endorse mass deportation?

Timothy? O Timothy?

[Beerina]

It used to be said that anti-Catholicism was the anti-Semitism of the intellectuals. Today anti-Semitism is the anti-Semitism of the intellectuals.

Not all intellectuals, of course. And the seepage of this ancient poison into the intelligentsia — always so militantly modern — is much more pronounced in Europe than here. But as anti-Semitism migrates across the political spectrum from right to left, it infects the intelligentsia, which has leaned left for two centuries.

Here the term intellectual is used loosely, to denote not only people who think about ideas — about thinking — but also people who think they do.



http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0204/will_2004_02_25.php3

[portlandatheist]

So do you endorse these comments TFT? You endorse mass deportation?

I think the term for this is "ethnic cleansing"

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Oops. Misread the date. My bad. I guess he's just a coward then.

What for? Because I haven't logged on today until now and thus haven't seen the resurgence of this thread. You oughta grow up

And no I'm not afraid of a bunch of Zionist Apologists and their silly pack mentality of immature lies, ad-homs and strawman arguments. Your agenda is a joke.

[Tin Foil Timothy]

So do you endorse these comments TFT? You endorse mass deportation?

I don't speak French, and although I don't trust you one little bit, I'll accept your translation.

No I don't support mass-deportation. Ironic question coming from a Zionist Apologist and Israel atrocity denier who supports a movement that has mass displaced 800,000 Palestinians and spent the last 60 years persecuting them under it's racist agenda to create Israel on land owned by others.


Since I've been on this forum Pardalis, you've shown no evidence of not supporting the mass-'deportation' of those 800,000 Palestinians from their homes.

[Pardalis]

No I don't support mass-deportation.

Good, then I suppose you'll stop promoting this "party".

[Thunder]

Since I've been on this forum Pardalis, you've shown no evidence of not supporting the mass-'deportation' of those 800,000 Palestinians from their homes.

Have I shown no evidence of not supporting the deportation of 800,000 Arabs?

[Pardalis]

Since I've been on this forum Pardalis, you've shown no evidence of not supporting the mass-'deportation' of those 800,000 Palestinians from their homes.

BTW, you can't prove a negative, let alone not prove a negative. Your accusation doesn't even make any sense.

I don't speak French, and although I don't trust you one little bit, I'll accept your translation.

And you know what, this makes you even more of a useful idiot than usual. You started a thread about a group in another country you don't even speak the language of, and yet you blindly parroted them.

Anyone with an ounce of critical thinking would try to learn a little about what one's talking about and be sure what it says before introducing it to other people. For all you knew, they could have been the French equivalent of the KKK, you only spotted them because they had the words "anti-Zionist" on their webpage.

[Thunder]

BTW, you can't prove a negative, let alone not prove a negative. Your accusation doesn't even make any sense.

no, it really doesn't. should we be surprised?

[Ziggurat]

Your agenda is a joke.

I don't think you have the faintest idea of what my "agenda" is.

[Thunder]

TFT- what is your agenda?

[Pardalis]

no, it really doesn't. should we be surprised?

I also never proved I wasn't supporting drunk driving, so therefore I must be a Drunk Driving Apologist?

:con2:

[Thunder]

I wonder what TFT thinks about the 750,000 Jews kicked out of the Arab countries after 1948.

I guess they deserved it, because they spoke some Hebrew.

[Pardalis]

I wonder what TFT thinks about the 750,000 Jews kicked out of the Arab countries after 1948.

I guess they deserved it, because they spoke some Hebrew.

And what about the thousands of Palestinians the Jordanians killed and quicked out?

[Tin Foil Timothy]

I don't think you have the faintest idea of what my "agenda" is.

Of course I have an idea. You've exposed part of it in this thread. Specifically childishly calling someone a coward for not answering a thread when it's obvious that people can't be awake and logged in 24-7

You've made yourself look stupid. Well done.

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

Some of those translations are a bit iffy. IMO

Nice pic at the top of the site BTW

Yeah I think that image about says it all. Let us welcome Generic Anti-Semitic party disguised as mere anti-Zionism #34312 into the League of Useful Idiots.

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

And what about the thousands of Palestinians the Jordanians killed and quicked out?

Hey! Two-wrongs make a right! Makes perfect sense! :)

[Tin Foil Timothy]

I wonder what TFT thinks about the 750,000 Jews kicked out of the Arab countries after 1948.

Disgusting retaliatory behavior. Lowering oneself to that of the agressor is not my idea of civility.


I guess they deserved it, because they spoke some Hebrew.

Oh dear parky. You go through long periods of sense, and then (perhaps inducing the aroma of nonsense given off by the pack of Zionist Apologists hovering around here) you sink to the immature level of silly racist insinuations.

[Pardalis]

[...]a movement that has mass displaced 800,000 Palestinians and spent the last 60 years persecuting them under it's racist agenda to create Israel on land owned by others.[...]

BTW, what do you propose should be done to the people living right now on the land "owned by others"?

[Earthborn]

You may as well claim that the KKK rallying under the rebel flag do so only because they are big supporters of state's rights and it has nothing at all to do with racism.What you are doing here is equivalent to saying that a group of people rallying under an Hamas flag are therefore sympathisers of the KKK. Just because two groups hate Jews does not make them the same thing.

[cwalner]

Disgusting retaliatory behavior. Lowering oneself to that of the agressor is not my idea of civility.


Um, I'm confused. This implies that the Arab expulsion of 750K Jews in 1948(assuming it really happened) was in response to the Isreali expulsion of 800K Arabs from thier land for the last 60 years (assuming it really happened) which if my math is correct means it started in 1949.

So if I have this correctly the Arab expulsion of Jews was in response to a Jewish expulsion of Arabs that was to begin the following year and continue for 60 years.

Is this one of those stupid time paradox episodes of Star Trek or is somebody just not understanding what retaliation means?

[Thunder]

Israel "removed" 750,000 Arabs from Israel during the 1948 war. In response to this, the Arabs kicked out a similar number of Jews, over the following 10+ years.

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Um, I'm confused. This implies that the Arab expulsion of 750K Jews in 1948(assuming it really happened) was in response to the Isreali expulsion of 800K Arabs from thier land for the last 60 years (assuming it really happened) which if my math is correct means it started in 1949.

So if I have this correctly the Arab expulsion of Jews was in response to a Jewish expulsion of Arabs that was to begin the following year and continue for 60 years.

Is this one of those stupid time paradox episodes of Star Trek or is somebody just not understanding what retaliation means?

I can see you're confused. I suggest you actually learn the history of the place before joining in relevant threads and making yourself look extremely silly. You give your naivety away so blatantly by typing '(assuming it really happened)' TWICE.

parky has kindly started your desperately needed education off for you above. Have a nice day now :rolleyes:

[Pardalis]

[...]a movement that has mass displaced 800,000 Palestinians and spent the last 60 years persecuting them under it's racist agenda to create Israel on land owned by others.[...]

Timothy, even if there was a grave injustice done 60 years ago, don't you think that the people living right now where Israel stands are owners of their own homes? Or are they forever guilty of theft, that all the generations of Israelis since then and all the ones to come will forever be living on "land owned by others"?

What do you suggest should be done?

[cwalner]

I can see you're confused. I suggest you actually learn the history of the place before joining in relevant threads and making yourself look extremely silly. You give your naivety away so blatantly by typing '(assuming it really happened)' TWICE.

parky has kindly started your desperately needed education off for you above. Have a nice day now :rolleyes:

Parky, Thank you for being civil in clarifying my confusion.

TFT, I am so used to unsupported exagerations or out right lies on both sides of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, I don't take what either side states at face value. It is not Naivete that prompted me to state '(assuming it really happened)' in regards to those claims but being skeptical of the sources due to past experiences with them. As to stating it twice, I did not wish to imply that I accepted such from one side and not the other.

The fact that you choose to pounce on my expression of ignorance of the facts in an attempt to get a clarification (a bit sarcastically, I admit) says more about you than it does about me.

[portlandatheist]

Imagine if this political group actually won. Finally, France would at last be liberated from the scourge of Zionism! They would usher in a brand new era and people could find out what life is like outside the yoke of Zionism. Life for the average French citizen would be changed overnight. Let's hope for a free France! Free from the wicked Zionists!
Cheers to the Anti Zionist party of France, what better endeavor is there? They are a role model and inspiration to all of us.
:rolleyes:

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Parky, Thank you for being civil in clarifying my confusion.

TFT, I am so used to unsupported exagerations or out right lies on both sides of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, I don't take what either side states at face value.

That's good. you should do your own research! :)

It is not Naivete that prompted me to state '(assuming it really happened)' in regards to those claims but being skeptical of the sources due to past experiences with them. As to stating it twice, I did not wish to imply that I accepted such from one side and not the other.

These are not propaganda they are issues of real history. 800,000 Palestinians were 'removed' and 800,000 jews were expelled in retaliation.

Being naive is not a 'sin' it is just being uneducated on history



The fact that you choose to pounce on my expression of ignorance of the facts in an attempt to get a clarification (a bit sarcastically, I admit) says more about you than it does about me.

Not at all.

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Timothy, even if there was a grave injustice done 60 years ago, don't you think that the people living right now where Israel stands are owners of their own homes? Or are they forever guilty of theft, that all the generations of Israelis since then and all the ones to come will forever be living on "land owned by others"?

What do you suggest should be done?

Like I've stated numerous times previously, I don't claim to have the answer.

I don't wish to see any innocent/ordinary people suffer for the Neanderthal behavior exhibited by both the Israel elite or the Hamas fighters.

The grave injustices aren't limited to 60 years ago. It may have escaped our notice but grace injustices are stil going on. It's only 4 months ago that Gaza was subject to Israeli atrocities. The West bank is subject to an Israeli apartheid and Israel itself treats the Israeli-Arabs like 2nd class citizens. And even when Gaza is not subject to violence it is kept just this side of starving by the controls on it's borders.

None of this is the fault of ordinary Israelis, just like you cannot blame ordinary Palestinians on the behavior of Hamas fighters.

The problem is the Zionist Movement wants the lot for Israel and it's persecuting the Palestinians as long as they stand in the way of that Agenda.

Contrary to the immature idiots who try and accuse anyone criticizing Israel's behavior as either being Anti-semitic or wanting to destroy Israel I just want to see everyone realize their is room for both and that if people stopped trying to grab everything and stopped their racist agendas there is no reason why Arabs can Jews can't live side by side in peace and with equal rights.

As long as Israel is set on it's racist agenda of a 'Jewish state' and everyone else is 2nd class or worse kicked out then there won't be peace.

[cwalner]

Being naive is not a 'sin' it is just being uneducated on history


no that is ignorance, which, when appropriate (as in this case) I freely admit to.

Naivete is about gullibiltiy and credulity. Your support of PAS because they state that they are anti-zionist without digging deeper into thier full agenda would be a better example.

[Pardalis]

Contrary to the immature idiots who try and accuse anyone criticizing Israel's behavior as either being Anti-semitic or wanting to destroy Israel I just want to see everyone realize their is room for both and that if people stopped trying to grab everything and stopped their racist agendas there is no reason why Arabs can Jews can't live side by side in peace and with equal rights.


But that's not what the P.A.S. wants, if you had only cared to listen and read what they say. They blantantly call for the deportation of the Jews back to "their homes". Israel is their home. they have as much right to be there as anyone, just like you can't deport every American or Canadian back to Europe to correct the wrongdoings done to the Native people. By blindly promoting the P.A.S., you've put yourself in the same camp as those Hamas Neanderthals who are calling for the same thing.

And by constantly referring to Israel as "stolen land", and constantly blaming them for what happened 60 years ago, you are helping the antisemites and the fundamentalists.

[MarkCorrigan]

TFT, what about the continual and rather overt abuse of the Palestinians by their fellow Arabs?

We aren't talking Zionists goiong in ad shooting up rebels for firing rockets into towns here, we're talking about brutal treatment of Palestinians by people who outwardly claim to be their allies. Do you deny that a number of Arab countries have and do persecute Palestinians when noone is looking, and yet claim to be supporting them in their fight against the vicious Israelis?

[Tin Foil Timothy]

And by constantly referring to Israel as "stolen land", and constantly blaming them for what happened 60 years ago, you are helping the antisemites and the fundamentalists.

See that's the typical and tired old Zionist method of stifling criticism of itself and Israel's racist behavior.

I'm not going to stop speaking up against the injustices of Israel just because the racist minority also latch onto these criticisms.


And although your post above at least moves from directly implying I'm an anti-Semite to asserting I am helping the anti-Semites the Zionist Movement's constant agenda of making criticism of itself a Jewish is issue is actually encouraging a "Boy who cried wolf" culture which is damaging the cause of real victims of Anti-Semitism.

These days, when "Anti-Semitism!" is shouted we have to check whether it's a genuine claim or whether it's just the Zionist Movement's nonsense.

Can't you see that?

[Tin Foil Timothy]

TFT, what about the continual and rather overt abuse of the Palestinians by their fellow Arabs?

We aren't talking Zionists goiong in ad shooting up rebels for firing rockets into towns here, we're talking about brutal treatment of Palestinians by people who outwardly claim to be their allies. Do you deny that a number of Arab countries have and do persecute Palestinians when noone is looking, and yet claim to be supporting them in their fight against the vicious Israelis?

No, I have never denied such behavior. Could you provide us with some instances of this? And could you tell us why these Arab Countries are doing this?

For the record I find the Islamic Dogma, as practiced in countries like Iran and Saudi, a vile disrespect of human rights

[Tin Foil Timothy]

And by constantly referring to Israel as "stolen land", ....

... and just to clarify what's 'stolen land' ... Not all Israel is stolen land. When Israel self-declared itself into existence AFAIK it didn't embark upon a process of removing the resident Jews from their homes and bulldoze them to the ground. Such is the racist nature of the Zionist Movement.

[Pardalis]

... and just to clarify what's 'stolen land' ... Not all Israel is stolen land.

Well, according to the P.A.S., it is.

[Travis]

I propose we create an Anti-Quebecois Separatist party to eliminate the Quebecois Separatist interference in the affairs of the Nation. It's goals will be to:

Denounce all the politicians who are advocating Quebecois Separatism.

Eliminating all forms of Quebecois Separatism in the nation.

Prevent companies and institutions to contribute to separatist movements that do not respect international law.

Unleashing our state, our government and our institutions of the grip and the pressure of Quebecois Separatist organizations.

Unleashing the media for a plurality of information to promote freedom of expression. Especially if it bashes and slanders Quebecois Separatists.

Promote the free expression of the politics, culture, philosophy and religion and free it of Quebecois Separatist influence.

Restoring power in the US and Americans under the new geopolitical and economic rules on the big issues that engage the responsibility of the Nation. Such as putting those damned sissy Quebecois in their place.

To not engage the US in wars of colonization and repatriate our armed forces stationed in Africa, Afghanistan and around the world and instead use them to finally achieve what we failed to do in 1812.

Requiring a referendum for any new commitment of US forces abroad unless it involves killing Quebecois Separatists.

Establish a bill to ban dual nationality to participate in a war without explicit mandate of the Nation. We're not exactly sure why we support this but we do.

Prohibit any militia whatever their faith except ones intent on waging war on Quebecois Separatists.

Establish a national dialog to raise awareness and a society that excludes any advocacy of Quebecois Separatism. This sort of contradicts our pledge to freedom of expression but we make no claims to being consistent.

Set the mode of voting by proportional representation so that all segments of society are represented unless they support Quebecois Separatism in which case they are disenfranchised.

Advocate for the establishment of a society of justice, progress and tolerance that will ruthlessly hunt down kill and/or expel all those who support or advocate on behalf of the dirty scum dog Quebecois Separatists.



So, who's with me?

[portlandatheist]

I propose we create an Anti-Quebecois Separatist party to eliminate the Quebecois Separatist interference in the affairs of the Nation. It's goals will be to:

Denounce all the politicians who are advocating Quebecois Separatism.

Eliminating all forms of Quebecois Separatism in the nation.

Prevent companies and institutions to contribute to separatist movements that do not respect international law.

Unleashing our state, our government and our institutions of the grip and the pressure of Quebecois Separatist organizations.

Unleashing the media for a plurality of information to promote freedom of expression. Especially if it bashes and slanders Quebecois Separatists.

Promote the free expression of the politics, culture, philosophy and religion and free it of Quebecois Separatist influence.

Restoring power in the US and Americans under the new geopolitical and economic rules on the big issues that engage the responsibility of the Nation. Such as putting those damned sissy Quebecois in their place.

To not engage the US in wars of colonization and repatriate our armed forces stationed in Africa, Afghanistan and around the world and instead use them to finally achieve what we failed to do in 1812.

Requiring a referendum for any new commitment of US forces abroad unless it involves killing Quebecois Separatists.

Establish a bill to ban dual nationality to participate in a war without explicit mandate of the Nation. We're not exactly sure why we support this but we do.

Prohibit any militia whatever their faith except ones intent on waging war on Quebecois Separatists.

Establish a national dialog to raise awareness and a society that excludes any advocacy of Quebecois Separatism. This sort of contradicts our pledge to freedom of expression but we make no claims to being consistent.

Set the mode of voting by proportional representation so that all segments of society are represented unless they support Quebecois Separatism in which case they are disenfranchised.

Advocate for the establishment of a society of justice, progress and tolerance that will ruthlessly hunt down kill and/or expel all those who support or advocate on behalf of the dirty scum dog Quebecois Separatists.



So, who's with me?

I am SO there brother! There is no telling what Canada could accomplish once she rids herself of the plague of Quebecois Separatism. The blight of Quebecois Separatism must be forever destroyed to rush in the new era of peace and prosperity.

[malcolmxwarrior]

I wonder if TFT is OK with sending the Ashkenazi Jews (and their descendants, I guess :confused:) to their original countries, like the FAS founder proposes?



Where?

Khazaria?

The johnny-come-lately AshkeNAZI jews that chose judaism for political purposes? They never stepped foot on the holy land.

http://www.amazon.com/Life-American-Racist-Marxist-Israel/dp/0939482649/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=Benjamin+Freedman&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=nMvqSfP8AZ_WswOXl8X1AQ&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&resnum=4&ct=title#


I will sit back and witness the feedback of spin, lies, and propaganda that I am sure you "skeptics" will supply. Or you'll just cover you ears and close your eyes and scream LALALALALALLALALALALALALALALALALA!!!

[KoihimeNakamura]

:dl:

[cwalner]

Where?

Khazaria?

The johnny-come-lately AshkeNAZI jews that chose judaism for political purposes? They never stepped foot on the holy land.

http://www.amazon.com/Life-American-Racist-Marxist-Israel/dp/0939482649/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=Benjamin+Freedman&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=nMvqSfP8AZ_WswOXl8X1AQ&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&resnum=4&ct=title#


I will sit back and witness the feedback of spin, lies, and propaganda that I am sure you "skeptics" will supply. Or you'll just cover you ears and close your eyes and scream LALALALALALLALALALALALALALALALALA!!!

MXW,

Thank you for reminding me to keep things in perspective. With posts like that its hard to get too upset with TFT

[1337m4n]

AshkeNAZI jews

Holocaust deniers are funny people: they believe that the Nazis never did anything bad, and yet at the same time they use the word "Nazi" as an insult against their opponents.



Calling an entire race of people Nazis. Why didn't I have this pond scum on Ignore already?