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JetLeg
17th March 2009, 10:05 AM
From The Christian Research Institute

Dear Friend:
I’m not an alarmist by nature. And that’s probably a good thing, given all that is alarm-worthy in our world today.
But given the assaults that Christianity is experiencing on multiple fronts, failing to sound the alarm that truth is under siege would be dereliction of duty elevated to the level of criminal negligence.
Consider the statement by Richard Dawkins, the Oxford professor of zoology whose rants against God are breathtakingly blasphemous:
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
And what is more dangerous still is that his book, The God Delusion—from which this quote is taken—is an international bestseller!
I wish I could tell you that the assaults on Christianity were limited to Oxford zoologists or Hollywood comedians like Bill Maher, but the sad and dangerous fact is that biblical truth is under siege from a growing army of “isms”: atheism, secular humanism, relativism, materialism, philosophical naturalism, experientialism… the list goes on and on.
And to compound the danger, these frontal assaults from outside the church are often matched by unorthodox assaults from within! Because these assaults are taking place when biblical illiteracy is at an all-time high among Christians, we underestimate the consequences only at grave risk to life and civilization as we know it.
Well, even a passing familiarity with the history of the 20th Century will reveal that ideas have consequences. For instance, did six million Jews murdered in the Holocaust think that Hitler’s notions of truth and the “Final Solution” were existentially irrelevant?
And that when Truth dies, history shows that countless millions of lives are often consumed in the wake.
That’s why I want to help you—and Christians everywhere—to be equipped to stand for Truth. Not timidly and reluctantly, but boldly and confidently.
That means being able, with passionate conviction and laser clarity, to answer the questions that are increasingly being posed to ill-prepared Christians.
Because my experience on the Bible Answer Man broadcast has taught me that some questions surface much more frequently than others, I’ve taken 23 of these questions and have provided succinct answers in a booklet titled Confronting the New Village Atheists: Are Christians Really ‘Ignorant,’ ‘Stupid,’ ‘Brainwashed,’ or ‘Insane’?
Questions like:
What does it mean to interpret the Bible literally?
Who made God?
How can Christians legitimize a God who orders the genocide of entire nations?
How can we be sure about the resurrection of Christ?
In response to each question, I’ve provided cogent answers and irrefutable facts you can use, should you be on the receiving end of these questions. And I’d like to send this booklet to you for your gift to help sustain and strengthen the outreaches of CRI.
You see, CRI continues 24/7 to rally and equip thousands of Christians every day as truth is under siege. But all that we do here is made possible only because committed Christians like you really care. And only because you understand what’s at stake.
May God bless you richly for all that your support means to the lives touched by your partnership. And for all that your partnership means to me personally.
Standing for Truth,


Hank Hanegraaff
President

Tanstaafl
17th March 2009, 10:09 AM
Ah, yes... The Bible Idiot Man.

I listen to him on the radio from time to time. Very intelligent mind, which he confines to a very small box. Little chance his thoughts will venture outside of it.

korenyx
17th March 2009, 10:25 AM
Dear old Hank at www.equip.org (http://www.equip.org). I'm not his kind of Christian; I care more about the post-born than the pre-born. I've listened to him (againist my Pastor's advice) and when he's not ranting about abortion, evolution and homosexality (with a side of GW denial) he's engaging in navel-gazing. I have never once tuned in and heard him say anything about helping end poverty, give everyone access to clean water or keep people from being sold to slavery. He talks about reading the Bible for all it's worth but somehow skips over all the passages that say help the least of these.

drkitten
17th March 2009, 10:29 AM
From The Christian Research Institute

What about it? What's your opinion?

Quinn
17th March 2009, 10:31 AM
...whose rants against God are breathtakingly blasphemous:

That line has inspired me to request a new custom title.

Baby Nemesis
17th March 2009, 11:57 AM
... You see, CRI continues 24/7 to rally and equip thousands of Christians every day as truth is under siege. But all that we do here is made possible only because committed Christians like you really care. And only because you understand what’s at stake.
May God bless you richly for all that your support means to the lives touched by your partnership. And for all that your partnership means to me personally.

It would seem that Hank Hanegraaff doesn't really believe the Bible he professes to be so zealous to defend. Why, I wonder, would he care so much about God and the Bible being brought into disrepute, when he apparently doesn't think it's even important enough to be worth him doing his best to obey it, over years? At least according to all these. (http://www.waltermartin.com/cri.html) Not using the controversy to make money, surely?! :p

Toke
17th March 2009, 12:09 PM
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

JetLeg,
How can this be construed as an assault on truth?

And why would anyone want to send him money, he does not even have his own tv-station.

Neverfly
17th March 2009, 12:21 PM
Jetleg...

All I see is a quote.

Your commentary? Is there a question? A statement you are trying to make?

JetLeg
17th March 2009, 12:32 PM
No commentary. No question. No statement.

Foster Zygote
17th March 2009, 01:08 PM
JetLeg,
How can this be construed as an assault on truth?

And why would anyone want to send him money, he does not even have his own tv-station.

Hell, that Dawkins quote used to be my sig.

RobRoy
17th March 2009, 01:10 PM
I've listened to him (againist my Pastor's advice) and when he's not ranting about abortion, evolution and homosexality (with a side of GW denial) he's engaging in navel-gazing.

Forgive my ignorance, but what's "GW denial"?

Sherman Bay
17th March 2009, 01:16 PM
So, JetLeg, did you order the "answers" booklet, and what are the answers? Blasphemous minds want to know.

Neverfly
17th March 2009, 01:16 PM
No commentary. No question. No statement.

Then it would seem this thread is pointless. There is no OP to discuss.
Forgive my ignorance, but what's "GW denial"?

Global Warming Denial- Anthropogenic or even GlobalWarming at all.

Toke
17th March 2009, 01:18 PM
Assume the connection to hardcore religion is something like "god gave us this planet to rape and plunder".

X
17th March 2009, 01:19 PM
Global Warming denial. Could refer to saying that humnas have no impact, or to saying that it isn't happening at all.

Tanstaafl
17th March 2009, 01:24 PM
Assume the connection to hardcore religion is something like "god gave us this planet to rape and plunder".


Or that Jesus is coming back momentarily, so it doesn't matter anyway.

Toke
17th March 2009, 01:25 PM
ahh.. yes the Rapture.

RobRoy
17th March 2009, 01:34 PM
Global Warming Denial- Anthropogenic or even GlobalWarming at all.

Thanks. My brain kept trying to make it George W. Bush Denial, and I just knew that was wrong!

Neverfly
17th March 2009, 01:46 PM
Thanks. My brain kept trying to make it George W. Bush Denial, and I just knew that was wrong!

LOL. Close. But no... Al Gore Denial.

Beerina
23rd March 2009, 08:36 AM
LOL. Close. But no... Al Gore Denial.

No, it's fine to deny Al Gore because he's a buffoon looking for power.

Safe-Keeper
23rd March 2009, 08:51 AM
http://bligbi.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/christianhelp.gif

He even pulls parallels to Nazi Germany and the attempted genocide of the Jews. Disgusting.

RobRoy
23rd March 2009, 09:29 AM
No, it's fine to deny Al Gore because he's a buffoon looking for power.

I thought he was a player looking for a basoon?

joobz
23rd March 2009, 09:40 AM
But given the assaults that Christianity is experiencing on multiple fronts, failing to sound the alarm that truth is under siege would be dereliction of duty elevated to the level of criminal negligence.
So BUY MY BOOK!

Consider the statement by Richard Dawkins, the Oxford professor of zoology whose rants against God are breathtakingly blasphemous:
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
Yup It's Blasphemous alright. It's also true.


And what is more dangerous still is that his book, The God Delusion—from which this quote is taken—is an international bestseller!
He's afraid that people read it?

Well, even a passing familiarity with the history of the 20th Century will reveal that ideas have consequences. For instance, did six million Jews murdered in the Holocaust think that Hitler’s notions of truth and the “Final Solution” were existentially irrelevant?
Which was carried out by christians and other people of faith. I can see your "passing" familiarity is an excuse to be blatantly false.

And that when Truth dies, history shows that countless millions of lives are often consumed in the wake.
As was the case in the crusades, inquisition, the conquistidors, ...

That’s why I want to help you—and Christians everywhere—to be equipped to stand for Truth.
So, BUY MY BOOK.

CurtC
23rd March 2009, 09:50 AM
Or that Jesus is coming back momentarily, so it doesn't matter anyway.

Warning: grammar pedantry ahead.

The word "momentarily" has traditionally meant "for a moment" and not "in a moment." When the flight attendant tells you that the plane will be taking off momentarily, you should be worried.

Supposedly Christ, when he comes back, will be here for a thousand years. That's "momentarily" only to geologists.

bobcarp
23rd March 2009, 10:15 AM
So if a non-Christian says or writes a book about what they believe, or don't believe, it’s being oppressive. If a Christian says what he/she believes, or goes to other countries and tells people that their religion is false and that Christianity is the only true religion and tries to convert everyone to Christianity, it’s witnessing.

joobz
23rd March 2009, 10:57 AM
So if a non-Christian says or writes a book about what they believe, or don't believe, it’s being oppressive. If a Christian says what he/she believes, or goes to other countries and tells people that their religion is false and that Christianity is the only true religion and tries to convert everyone to Christianity, it’s witnessing.
or
"spreading the good word"
or
"spreading the joyful message"
or
"doing missionary work"
or
"decreasing sin in the world"
or
"being an insufferable jerk"

Tanstaafl
23rd March 2009, 11:26 AM
Warning: grammar pedantry ahead.

The word "momentarily" has traditionally meant "for a moment" and not "in a moment." When the flight attendant tells you that the plane will be taking off momentarily, you should be worried.

Supposedly Christ, when he comes back, will be here for a thousand years. That's "momentarily" only to geologists.


I'll try to remember that for future reference, but I'm afraid I'll probably forget it momentari... um, shortly.

Third Eye Open
23rd March 2009, 11:43 AM
http://bligbi.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/christianhelp.gif

he even pulls parallels to nazi germany and the attempted genocide of the jews. Disgusting.

wakka wakka wakka

korenyx
23rd March 2009, 01:10 PM
So BUY MY BOOK!


Yup It's Blasphemous alright. It's also true.



He's afraid that people read it?


Which was carried out by christians and other people of faith. I can see your "passing" familiarity is an excuse to be blatantly false.


As was the case in the crusades, inquisition, the conquistidors, ...


So, BUY MY BOOK.



I have a feeling that Hank would be the first money-changer tossed out of the Temple; protesting all the while that as a Jew Jesus needs to convert to Christianity. If you listen to the Bible Answer Man or visit equip.org you will hear and see nothing but Buy! Buy! Buy!

joobz
23rd March 2009, 02:37 PM
If you listen to the Bible Answer Man or visit equip.org you will hear and see nothing but Buy! Buy! Buy!
That was exactly what I got out of the website. It looks an ad agency vomitted on it. I'm not against capitalism, as I don't fault Dawkins for selling his book. But it's the advertising that gets me. The OP is a clear ad. It's meant to instill anger and a sense of persecution into the audience and provides a "remedy" to this anger.

Dr Adequate
23rd March 2009, 03:19 PM
Well, even a passing familiarity with the history of the 20th Century will reveal that ideas have consequences. For instance, did six million Jews murdered in the Holocaust think that Hitler’s notions of truth and the “Final Solution” were existentially irrelevant?

[...]

I’ve taken 23 of these questions and have provided succinct answers in a booklet titled Confronting the New Village Atheists: Are Christians Really ‘Ignorant,’ ‘Stupid,’ ‘Brainwashed,’ or ‘Insane’? Questions like ... How can Christians legitimize a God who orders the genocide of entire nations? Apparently this is not a man plagued by cognitive dissonance.